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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 4 Febroyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 184340279

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Febroyarioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den jerw apo poy na arxisw...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai diko sas qema.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Omologw oti me tetoia plhqwra qematwn... As arxisoyme, en pash periptwsei, me ta xqesina kai meta pame sta shmerina. As arxisoyme me ta osa synebhsan xqes ston Peiraia. Kyrie Ekproswpe, to na dexontai dakrygona oi agrotes, epeidh diamartyrontai, einai katakriteo. To na dexetai o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, o opoios qesmika einai tetartos sthn ierarxia, ti sas leei; Xtypate pleon me dakrygona kai toys qesmoys;

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh exei doqei. Den egine xrhsh xhmikwn kata th diarkeia ths paramonhs, ekei, toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Jekaqara pragmata.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy, mporw na rwthsw kati; Twra den sas enoxlei oti se ola ta jena thleoptika diktya paizei h eikona toy k. Papandreoy, o opoios den mporei na anapneysei, trexoyn dakrya apo ta matia toy kai foraei maska, gia na fygei apo to xwro poy htan oi sygkentrwmenoi;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

PASISHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Proedros ths Agrotikhs Trapezas k. Mhliakos, symfwna me plhrofories ths ``Isotimias gr'', zhthse thn paraithsh toy dieyqynontos symboyloy ths Agrotikhs Asfalistikhs k. Paylidh, gia fwtografies poy dhmosieythkan sto diadiktyo kai den synadoyn me thn idiothta toy. Exei ginei apodekth h paraithsh toy k. Paylidh;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw ayta ta eidika qemata. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sthn Trapeza, an exete tetoies plhrofories.

MPOTSARHS: H kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na sthrizei toso ton k. Markogiannakh, oso kai toys xeirismoys poy ekane to prohgoymeno diasthma;

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Mhpws exete katalhjei sto poios edwse thn entolh na xtyphqoyn oi agrotes tis dyo aytes hmeres ston Peiraia;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Oxi, den exete topoqethqei. Egw den exw akoysei thn topoqethsh sas. Moy lete, pote thn eipate; O k. Paylopoylos h o k. Markogiannakhs thn edwsan;

ANTWNAROS: Fantazomai oti, ws empeirh dhmosiografos poy eiste, qa exete asfalws gnwsh toy tropoy me ton opoio leitoyrgei epixeirhsiaka h Ellhnikh Astynomia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Politika, thn apofash, poios thn phre, kyrie Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: H epixeirhsiakh leitoyrgia ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias den einai kati to opoio anagetai sth sfaira enhmerwshs toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Sas to exw pei kai alles fores. Ekeino, omws, to opoio prepei na gnwrizete einai oti egine lelogismenh xrhsh xhmikwn, opote xreiasthke, prokeimenoy na apwqhqoyn oi agrotes kai na mhn pragmatopoihsoyn ayto to opoio den einai dynaton na ginei: Dhladh, na bgoyn me ta barea gewrgika mhxanhmata stoys dromoys ths Aqhnas kai na akinhtopoihsoyn, opws sas eipa kai xqes, thn polh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sygnwmh poy epimenw, an moy epitrepete, sas erwtw politika, giati, as poyme, o Yfypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, milwntas xqes ston ALPHA, eipe oti oi xeirismoi htan swstoi. An milate, gia th diaxeirish sto limani, ayto einai mia allh ypoqesh, rixnontas, oysiastika, to mpalaki sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Mpotsarhs, xqes - -kai hsastan paroysa- - ekane akribws thn idia erwthsh kai apanthsa. Isxyei, loipon, h xqesinh moy apanthsh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: (Den akoygetai) o k. Mpotsarhs. Egw sas to kanw pio sygkekrimeno...

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. O k. Papadopoylos anaferotan stoys xeirismoys toy tomea ths armodiothtas toy. Den anaferqhke se alla zhthmata. Den htan parwn o k. Papadopoylos sto limani.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Dhladh, den yparxei kanena problhma anamesa sto Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias kai sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs;

ANTWNAROS: Apolytws kanena.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, metadoqhke xqes apo ta hlektronika Mesa Enhmerwshs, to hxhtiko apospasma ths omilias toy k. Markogiannakh, thn Trith, sta Xania, opoy elege ``qa kalodexqoyme toys agrotes sthn Aqhna, me ta trakter toys kai ta mhxanokinhta toys''. Ep` aytoy, den exete na peite tipote; Toys kalese kai meta esteile ta MAT.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei kai se ayto to qema xqes. Lypamai poy den hsastan paroysa.

PASISHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo liges hmeres, eixate prospaqhsei na kleisete to qema ths eklogologias, apantwntas se sxetikes erwthseis. Prin apo dyo hmeres, omws, peripoy, o k. Paylopoylos anoije to qema toy eklogikoy nomoy. Qelw, loipon, na rwthsw, an kleinei me thn parembash ayth toy k. Paylopoyloy to qema ths eklogologias h anoigei ek neoy pali.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka synolika, hdh, apo thn perasmenh Deytera, gi` ayto to qema, ejhgwntas poly katatopistika kai me tis leptomereies poy einai aparaithtes, ti akribws ennooysan kai o k. Paylopoylos kai alla stelexh ths kybernhshs kai toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias. Einai safes, loipon. Kai egw den exw kamia diaqesh, apo edw kai pera, na to synexisw. To PASOK einai ekeino poy me diaforoys tropoys synthrei ayto to qema.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qelw na moy lysete thn aporia, giati o k. Xatzhgakhs efyge apo thn Aqhna gia tis Bryjelles dyo hmeres prin apo ta programmatismena toy ranteboy, enw, opws apokalyfqhke apo hxhtiko ntokoymento, exw thn entypwsh ston ANTENNA, h grammateas ths Kyprias Epitropoy den hjere tipote gi` ayto. Kai deyteron, qelw na moy peite, an o k. Markogiannakhs kai o k. Paylopoylos exoyn agasth synergasia, giati, ti alieysa; Se mia radiofwnikh ekpomph sto radiostaqmo SKAI, thlefwnhsan sto grafeio toy k. Markogiannakh gia kapoia (den akoygetai) sthn Krhth, apanthse kapoios ypeyqynos eqimotypias. Kai otan eide oti ton koroideyoyn, oti ton eirwneyontai, toys eipe ``oxi, qa afhname thn Aqhna na kaei, opws ginotan epi Paylopoyloy''. To akoysa me ta aytia moy. Loipon, ayto bgazei ena klima. Eiste sigoyros oti h synergasia twn dyo Ypoyrgwn, toy Ypoyrgoy kai toy Anaplhrwth toy einai agasth;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn ginei epaneilhmmenws dhmosies topoqethseis - -kai twn dyo- - ep` aytoy kai se aytes menw. Qa moy epitrecete de, na sas pw, prwta ap` ola, oti mallon o oros htan adokimos. Den yparxoyn sta politika grafeia ypallhloi eqimotypias, opws eipate.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Etsi systhqhke o kyrios aytos o Krhtikos.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, den yparxei kanena zhthma. Sto prwto qema, sto opoio anaferqhkate, toy k. Xatzhgakh kai ths metabashs toy stis Bryjelles: Einai gnwsto - -kai ayto allwste to exoyme pei kat` epanalhch, to exei pei kai o k. Xatzhgakhs- - oti yphrxe ena problepomeno ranteboy toy k. Xatzhgakh me thn Kypria Epitropo, k. Androyla Basileioy, to opoio den pragmatopoihqhke, opws eixe problefqei, giati akribws, opws moy eipe kai o k. Xatzhgakhs, h k. Basileioy xreiasthke na metabei sto Strasboyrgo. Loipon, ola ayta, h parafilologia gyrw apo thn anaxwrhsh h thn paroysia toy k. Xatzhgakh, den ejyphretoyn se tipote. Ekeino to opoio einai shmantiko, einai to ejhs: O k. Xatzhgakhs poy eixe synanthqei me toys agrotes, eixe proteinei stoys agrotes ths Krhths na erqoyn sthn Aqhna, thn Kyriakh na toys synanthsei sto grafeio toy. Kai en anagkh, an den mporoysan, qa toys synantoyse akoma kai th Deytera to prwi, prin fygei. Opws isxyei kai h desmeysh toy, na toys synanthsei amesws meta thn epistrofh toy, ayrio Pempth, sto grafeio toy sthn Aqhna. Ola ta alla, loipon, einai dikaiologies - -apo thn pleyra twn agrotwn ennow- - h asystatoi isxyrismoi apo thn pleyra ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs poy den exoyn kamia bash.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate prin oti den einai dynaton na bgoyn me barea agrotika mhxanhmata oi agrotes kai na akinhtopoihsoyn olh thn polh. Yparxei kapoios nomos o opoios diakrinei poies einai oi qemites morfes diamartyrias kai poies oxi; Giati den htan dynaton; Epeidh to epeleje h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Einai poly aplo. Yparxei h koinh logikh kai yparxei to symferon toy synoloy, h eyryqmh leitoyrgia mias polhs. Den mporoyn ligoi, xrhsimopoiwntas kati dysanalogo poy exoyn sta xeria toys, na akinhtopoioyn mia oloklhrh polh. Kai en pash periptwsei, h Politeia, alla eimai bebaios oti kai h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn politwn exei krinei pws etsi eprepe na ginei. Gi` ayto den exw thn paramikrh amfibolia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sygnwmh kyrie Ekproswpe, mas zhtate na pistecoyme oti efyge o Ypoyrgos Gewrgias apo thn Aqhna, apo thn Ellada, na paei na synanthsei thn Kypria Epitropo, ths opoias ths etyxe mia doyleia kai den eidopoihse ton Ypoyrgo; Toylaxiston qewreite oti eimaste afeleis otan mas lete tetoia pragmata.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Ean eseis ejakoloyqeite na diakatexeste apo pneyma dyspistias, einai dikaiwma sas. Den mporw na sas to afairesw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ma, den mporw na pistecw oti den shkwnoyn ta thlefwna enas Epitropos kai enas Ypoyrgos na synennohqoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

XIWTHS: Gia allo qema qelw na rwthsw. Ejakoloyqei na isxyei h desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti h Olympiakh h qa idiwtikopoihqei h qa kleisei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati parapanw apo osa eipa proxqes. Eidika shmera poy einai h hmera, opws sas exw enhmerwsei, poy problepetai na synedriasei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph Idiwtikopoihsewn, prokeimenoy na anoijoyn oi fakeloi kai na ajiologhqoyn apo toys texnikoys kai toys oikonomikoys symboyloys, kaqws kai ton eidiko symboylo poy yparxei.

XIWTHS: Sas zhthsa mono na sxoliasete th desmeysh poy exei epanalabei polles fores o Prwqypoyrgos, oti h Olympiakh h qa idiwtikopoihqei h qa kleisei. An ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw me osa sas eipa kai proxqes: Ekeino poy mas endiaferei einai mia swsth, apotelesmatikh apokratikopoihsh ths Olympiakhs.

XRHSTAKOS: Sas eixa rwthsei kai xqes, me aformh dhlwseis boyleytwn, sas rwtw kai shmera giati akoysa to prwi kai alloys, metajy twn opoiwn kai ton k. Karaogloy, ths Neas Dhmokratias, dhladh boyleytwn, oi opoioi eipan oti oi agrotes poy hrqan sto limani htan mia poly mikrh merida twn Krhtwn synadelfwn toys kai htan ypokinoymenoi - -kai zhtw sygnwmh an den to eipe etsi- - apo to PASOK h apo omades, kommatikh organwsh, toy sygkekrimenoy kommatos sthn Krhth. H kybernhsh exei ayth th gnwmh ws pros to ena skelos kai ws pros to allo;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei mia staqerh qesh. Synomilei, kanei dialogo me oloys toys ekproswpoys twn agrotwn kaqws kai allwn epaggelmatikwn tajewn, tmhmatwn ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Kai ayto egine en prokeimenw kai sthn periptwsh twn agrotwn poy hrqan apo thn Krhth.

PARTALIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh ayrio qa ginei Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ap` o,ti exei anakoinwqei, prin mas peite, qa syzhthqei to synoliko paketo twn paroxwn enisxysewn pros tis asqenesteres koinwnika omades kai qa einai akribws ayta ta opoia exoyme pei kata kairoys h kai kapoies alles kainoyrgies qetikes paroxes;

ANTWNAROS: Den exei anakoinwqei kati tetoio, opws ayto poy anaferete.

PARTALIDHS: Ayto diabasame. Oti ayrio qa yparjei Kybernhtikh Epitroph...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto den shmainei oti exei anakoinwqei kati tetoio.

FOYRLHS: Hqela na rwthsw epi toy qematos poy eqese o k. Xiwths gia thn Olympiakh, ean ejakoloyqei na ekfrazei aisiodojia h kybernhsh oti qa kleisei to qema, opws exei epishmws dhlwqei kai stis synenteyjeis twn armodiwn Ypoyrgwn pro anasxhmatismoy kai meta anasxhmatismoy, ean den kanw laqos, epishs, mexri telos Ianoyarioy kai ean einai ikanopoihmenh apo ta, en pash periptwsei, dedomena, tis prosfores poy exei mexri shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h synolikh dhlwsh poy ekana th Deytera. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

MPOTSARHS: Shmera se radiofwniko staqmo, koryfaios Ypoyrgos, o k. Abramopoylos, tonise oti eimaste h monh xwra poy den exei eqniko sxedio drashs gia thn antimetwpish ths oikonomias. Epishs, estrece ta belh toy kata toy k. Paylopoyloy, tonizontas oti den xreiazetai eklogologia, alla staqerothta kai sxediasmos sthn paroysa xronikh stigmh kai xarakthrise kai laqos toys xeirismoys ths Astynomias. To sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, foboymai oti adikeite ton Ypoyrgo ton k. Abramopoylo, dioti den eipe ayto to opoio lete. Metaferete ena tmhma mono oswn eipe o k. Abramopoylos. O k. Abramopoylos eipe: ``Eimaste h monh xwra sthn Eyrwph, h opoia den exei katartisei eqniko sxedio drashs gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs. Den exoyme ftasei se ena epipedo eswterikhs synennohshs''. Opws antilambaneste, ayto to opoio leei o k. Abramopoylos einai kritikh pros to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai allwn politikwn dynamewn endexomenws, oi opoies olo oxi lene. H kybernhsh kai sxedio exei kai antimetwpizei ta problhmata me egkairo kai apotelesmatiko tropo.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Xqes yphrje mia anakoinwsh apo to State Department poy oysiastika kalei toys Amerikanoys polites oi opoioi zoyn sthn Ellada, na mhn phgainoyn se diafora shmeia ta opoia qewroyntai epikindyna, gia paradeigma thn Omonoia. Me dedomeno oti shmera yparxei kai ena allo atyxes peristatiko ejw apo to spiti toy Amerikanoy Presbh, qa hqela to sxolio sas. Pws antimetwpizete katarxhn thn anakoinwsh twn Amerikanwn kai kapoio sxolio gia to peristatiko.

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw to akribes periexomeno ths en logw anakoinwshs. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Na sas to diabasw;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Sas parakalw. Gia to akribe periexomeno, apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Deyteron: Gia to atyxes peristatiko ginetai ereyna. Qa diejaxqei proanakrish kai otan yparxoyn stoixeia --nomizw entos oligoy qa kanei kai kapoia anakoinwsh o ekproswpos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias-- qa exete perissotera stoixeia.

TSIOYFOS: Eipate prin apo ligo gia to qema toy eklogikoy nomoy oti den exete kamia diaqesh na dwsete synexeia sto qema. Kai eipate oti to PASOK einai ayto to opoio dinei synexeia sto qema, gia toys dikoys toy logoys. Omws, opws eipe kai o synadelfos prin apo ligo kai o k. Abramopoylos shmera anoije kai pali to qema, edwse synexeia, kai xqes o k. Meimarakhs ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy meta thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph edwse synexeia sto qema, mas kalese na rwthsoyme ton Ypoyrgo poy anoije to qema, giati to anoije. Den einai ayto mia diglwssia apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs; eseis na lete oti ``den synexizw'' kai apo thn allh koryfaioi Ypoyrgoi sas na synexizoyn me dhlwseis toys...

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia apolytws diglwssia. To qema exei lhjei, opws sas eipa. Den exw na pw kati allo.

FOYRLHS: Hqela na rwthsw ean apasxolei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti ton teleytaio kairo, toys teleytaioys dyo mhnes qa elega, se kaqe kinhtopoihsh, se diadhlwsh, syxna se sygkentrwseis, exei apodeixqei sthn prajh oti h kybernhsh qewrei aparaithth thn ajiopoihsh twn MAT, thn paroysia twn MAT gia na diasfalisoyn thn hremia kai thn asfaleia gia na elegjei thn katastash kaqe fora kai an thn apasxolei kyriws to gegonos oti symbainei ayto se poly syxnoterh bash ap` oti sto parelqon.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia epixeirhsiaka qemata ths Astynomias. Sas to exw pei epaneilhmmenws.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai oti den qelete na synexisoyme na syzhtame gia thn eklogologia kai einai poly logiko.

ANTWNAROS: Na syzhtate eseis; O,ti qelete mporeite na kanete, dikaiwma sas.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Oxi, ennow mazi. Na pairnete peraiterw qeseis gia to en logw zhthma. Parola ayta, qelw na qymisw - -giati einai ena qema poy ajizei na syzhthqei- - oti dyo koryfaioi Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs, o k. Paylopoylos kai h k. Mpakogiannh, htan aytoi poy edwsan ena stigma sth syzhthsh legontas sygkekrimena pragmata. To pantreyw sth skech moy ayto me to gegonos oti akoysa ton k. Pagkalo prosfata na leei oti ``h Nea Dhmokratia einai o misos ellhnikos laos kai den prokeitai na dialyqei, h Nea Dhmokratia toy Karamanlh teleiwse kai h k. Mpakogiannh einai ena proswpo to opoio ektimw baqytata''. Ola ayta shmainoyn mhpws kapoia prospaqeia, ektimate, an toys dinete shmasia, na apodomhqei proswpika o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kamia syzhthsh gi` ayta ta sygkekrimena qemata, oso kai na prospaqhsete. Allwste, xrhsimopoihsate ena ``an'' sthn erwthsh sas.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Me dedomena omws.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sas parakoloyqhsw se ypoqetika erwthmata. En pash periptwsei, o Prwqypoyrgos den xreiazetai se kamia periptwsh th sthrijh th dikh moy akomh kai se tetoia ``proklhtika'' erwthmata h topoqethseis poy kanete.

FOYRLHS: Qa apeyqynqeite kai stoys Ypoyrgoys, gia na toys zhthsete na stamathsei h eklogologia, ektos apo emas;

ANTWNAROS: Exw milhsei gi` ayto epaneilhmmena. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

XATZARAS: To Sabbatokyriako poy mas perase h gallikh Monde egrafe oti o Gallos Proedros skopeyei na analabei mia prwtoboylia h thn anelabe, gia na sygklhqei mia ektakth synodos twn hgetwn toy Eurogroup gia na syzhthsei thn oikonomikh katastash sthn Eyrwph. Yphrje epikoinwnia me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Katarxas, o Gallos Proedros den epediwje th sygklhsh tetoias synanthshs thn opoia anaferete. Einai allo ayto to opoio epediwje, symfwna me tis plhrofories tis opoies exw. En pash periptwsei, opoiadhpote prospaqeia ginetai ayth th stigmh ston eyrwpaiko xwro, prokeimenoy na syntonistoyn oi egnoies tis opoies exoyn oles oi eyrwpaikes xwres gia thn antimetwpish ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs, einai kalodexoymenh. Emeis exoyme metasxei se oles tis prwtoboylies me idees sygkekrimenes, me protaseis kai bebaiws me ta dika mas programmata kai me tis dikes mas prwtoboylies ston eswteriko mas xwro, prokeimenoy na amblynqoyn gia toys Ellhnes polites oi synepeies ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh se liges hmeres exete ta geneqlia sas, oxi eseis proswpika, h kybernhsh sas, qa hqela na moy peite einai eyxaristhmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo to ergo poy paragei h nea kybernhsh mesa se ena mhna an kaqisoyme kai analogistoyme ti exei symbei;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, jerete, den krinetai apo mhna se mhna. H kybernhsh krinetai apo to synoliko ergo to opoio paragei, afotoy anelabe, dyo fores, thn eyqynh gia th diakybernhsh ths xwras me thn chfo twn Ellhnwn politwn. Stoxos mas einai h ylopoihsh twn desmeysewn mas, h pragmatopoihsh oswn exoyme symfwnhsei me oloys toys Ellhnes polites kai h proodos toy metarryqmistikoy mas ergoy. Akomh kai ayth th dyskolh periodo, poy einai dyskolh oxi mono gia thn Ellada, alla gia oloklhro ton kosmo.

MANH: Meta thn arnhsh toy PASOK na synainesei sthn amesh efarmogh toy neoy eklogikoy nomoy, to qema qewreitai lhjan h h kybernhsh qa epimeinei;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei se ayto to qema.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na epanelqw, dioti epikalesthkate prin thn koinh logikh kai eipate oti proexei h eyryqmh leitoyrgia ths polhs. Omws, oles oi diadhlwseis, kalws h kakws, diatarassoyn thn eyryqmh leitoyrgia ths polhs. Ayrio, qa epikalesteite thn koinh logikh gia na apagoreysete kai tis diadhlwseis twn pezwn; Dhladh, to qema einai ean einai pezoi h epoxoymenoi oi diadhlwtes;

ANTWNAROS: Antilambaneste, profanws, oti ayto to opoio me rwtate den exei kai megalh sxesh me thn koinh logikh. Dioti, gia kati to opoio eisai sigoyros oti qa diatarajei se poly megalo baqmo - -kai qa einai dysanalogo me to epidiwkomeno apotelesma- - th leitoyrgia ths polhs, exeis ena logo parapanw na prospaqhseis na to apotreceis. Den mporoyn merikes ekatontades anqrwpwn - -sas to lew gia mia akomh fora- - poy exoyn sth diaqesh toys barea gewrgika mhxanhmata, ta opoia den kykloforoyn stis poleis kai synhqws den epitrepetai na kykloforoyn sta astika kentra, na mpainoyn mesa sthn polh kai na diatarassoyn th zwh ekatommyriwn politwn. Dioti, ean ayto eixe ginei, tote h kybernhsh qa dexotan megales epikriseis kai qa thn ecegan oloi giati to eixe epitrecei. Na eiste bebaios gi` ayto.

FOYRLHS: An kai me bazete ston peirasmo na sas pw oti kai ayto einai ypoqetiko symperasma to opoio eseis bgalate molis twra, parola ayta...

ANTWNAROS: Mporei na mhn ejyphretoyse ta thleoptika kanalia, giati qa eixan wraies thleoptikes eikones. Pantws, th megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn qa thn enoxloyse. Na eiste sigoyros.

FOYRLHS: Den nomizw oti exete apeyqynqei sta kanalia kai sas exoyn pei kati tetoio. Kai pali ayqaireto symperasma bgazete k. Ekproswpe, epitrecte moy. Den nomizw oti sobara qa sas elege kapoio kanali oti to ejyphretei, an to rwtoysate.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto akribws lew.

FOYRLHS: En pash periptwsei, emeis twra den ginomaste yperaspistes twn kanaliwn, edw pera. Allh doyleia kanoyme. Egw epimenw na rwtw kai den nomizw oti einai qema ths Astynomias, to na yparxei taktikh, syxnotath anataraxh, koinwnikh anataraxh qa elega, me sobares proektaseis kai sto kentro ths polhs kai sth diaxeirish poy kaqe fora lambanetai apo thn Astynomia. Einai ena zhthma. Efoson h kybernhsh den ftaiei gi` ayto, kapoios prepei na ftaiei. Swsta h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw ti qelete na peite.

FOYRLHS: Lew, para poly apla rwtw, efoson den ftaiei h kybernhsh gia thn anataraxh, giati opws lete eseis poly logika ta antimetwpizei, poly kala ekane kai me toys agrotes, kapoios prepei na ftaiei tote. Poios ftaiei poy exoyme diarkws anataraxh me ton enan h me ton allo tropo;

ANTWNAROS: Mikres omades, en pash periptwsei, exoyn kaqe dikaiwma na diadhlwnoyn, na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys, na proballoyn ta aithmata toys. Den exoyn kanena dikaiwma na prokaloyn dysanalogh anataraxh sto ryqmo ths polhs, sthn kanonikh leitoyrgia twn megalwn polewn kai sto ryqmo ths zwhs ekatontadwn xiliadwn, an oxi ekatommyriwn, anqrwpwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema ths richs dakrygonwn. Akoysa to prwi apo koryfaia stelexh toy PASOK kai sygkekrimena apo ton Grammatea toy kommatos toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy oti qa prepei h kybernhsh na zhthsei sygnwmh gi` ayto poy egine xqes ston arxhgo toy PASOK. Den jerw, qewrei bebaiws oti ayto to pragma htan eskemmeno.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei...

PALAIOLOGOS: To jerw oti exete topoqethqei...

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei me jekaqaro tropo kai dhmosia o armodios Anaplhrwths Ypoyrgos k. Markogiannakhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Moy epitrepete, epeidh ton akoysa xqes sto deltio toy MEGA, me olo to qarros, einai ektimhsh moy, den htan kai toso peistikos o k. Markogiannakhs.

ANTWNAROS: Htan apolyta peistikos. Eidika otan o paristamenos ekproswpos toy PASOK, se erwthseis twn synadelfwn sas, paradexqhke oti bebaiws den eixe eidopoihqei kaneis oti phgaine ekei o arxhgos toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, antiqeta me o,ti eixan isxyristei nwritera.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate prin apo ligo oti otan yparxei mia ekdhlwsh diamartyrias dysanalogh me to epidiwkomeno apotelesma, exeis dikaiwma na to apagoreyseis...

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw ayto. Me sygxwreite. Milhsa egw gia apagoreysh;

TSIOYFOS: Na to apotreceis. Laqos, loipon. Pws krinete to dysanalogo me to epidiwkomeno; Einai dyskolo kai skeftomai oti ayrio-meqayrio mia allh kybernhsh, oxi h dikh sas, kanei as poyme mia poly megalh ayjhsh sta telh kykloforias kai apofasizoyn oi katoxoi I.X. aytokinhtwn na diamartyrhqoyn, bgainontas me ta I.X. toys aytokinhta stoys dromoys. Qa einai dysanalogo kai pws qa kriqei an einai dysanalogo apo to epidiwkomeno apotelesma;

ANTWNAROS: Monos sas, eimai bebaios, oti qa dwsete thn apanthsh.

TSIOYFOS: Oxi, ejhghste moy, egw den mporw na katalabw poios qa einai aytos poy qa krinei to dysanalogo me to epidiwkomeno; Poios qa to krinei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Merikes ekatontades anqrwpoi, toys opoioys eixan akoysei oi Ypoyrgoi kai toys opoioys oi Ypoyrgoi htan proqymoi na dexqoyn sta grafeia toys, hrqan kai qelhsan na anastatwsoyn me barea gewrgika mhxanhmata to kentro, oloklhrh thn polh. Egw ayto to qewrw dysanalogo.

TSIOYFOS: Egw den anaferomai se sygkekrimenh periptwsh...

ANTWNAROS: Egw, omws, anaferomai sto sygkekrimeno...

TSIOYFOS: Egw den anaferomai se sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Ayto, omws, to opoio lete twra, to dysanalogo me to epidiwkomeno, einai kai trofh gia skeceis toy mellontos piqanon. Poios qa to krinei ayto to pragma (den akoygetai)...

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw, loipon: Oi Arxes poy exoyn thn eyqynh gia thn eyryqmh leitoyrgia ths ellhnikhs Politeias.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dhladh gia na synocisoyme, h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo toys xeirismoys toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs oso kai ths EL.AS. se o,ti afora thn ypoqesh twn Krhtwn agrotwn;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa, hdh, prohgoymenws. Qetika.

SWTHRIADOY: Epeidh milhsate gia dysanalogh kinhsh, den qewreite oti einai dysanalogo to gegonos oti oi agrotes ekleinan epi ena mhna tis eqnikes odoys kai htan h Ellada xwrismenh sth mesh;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, di` emoy kai di` allwn ekproswpwn ths, htan ekeinh h opoia akribws katadikase aytoys toys tropoys diamartyrias. Den qymamai na to ekane me ejisoy jekaqaro tropo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Xrhsimopoihsan misologa kai ``nai men, alla''.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Me sygxwreite k. Ekproswpe den exete dikio.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apolyto dikio.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Apo thn prwth stigmh, o k. Papakwnstantinoy eixe bgei kai eixe pei oti to PASOK htan yper twn aithmatwn twn agrotwn, wstoso katadikaze to oti xwrisan thn Ellada se dyo merh. Den to eipe mia fora o k. Papakwnstantinoy. Giati lete, giati epikaleiste kati to opoio den exei eipwqei apo thn allh pleyra;

ANTWNAROS: Ekproswpoi toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs miloysan me diglwssia, xwris jekaqara logia, me misologa. Epimenw se ayto.

MELIGKWNHS: Me bash, k. Ekproswpe, to skeptiko sas peri dysanalogias kai af' hs stigmhs lete oti proexei h eyryqmh leitoyrgia ths polhs, h kybernhsh ejetazei kapoies skeceis poy yphrxan kai sto parelqon ean, as poyme, oi diadhlwtes einai merikes dekades na mporei h Astynomia na toys periorisei se mia lwrida; Lew egw ena paradeigma.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia - -sas to exw pei kai allh fora- - einai: Oloi oi Ellhnes polites na exoyn th dynatothta na diatypwnoyn ta aithmata toys xwris na prokaloyn blabh, zhmia, sto koinwniko synolo.

MELIGKWNHS: An loipon k. Ekproswpe einai merikes dekades oi Ellhnes polites poy qeloyn na diatypwsoyn ta aithmata toys, toys ftanei mia lwrida gia na to kanoyn; Ayto sas rwtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei se ola ayta ta qemata. Den prokeitai na mpw se ypoqetikes syzhthseis.

XATZARAS: Epeidh eixa synomilhsei me toys agrotes prin aneboyn apo thn Krhth, sto Blue Sky, qelw na sas pw oti moy eixan pei to programma toys. Htan na pane apo to limani sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs na doyn ton k. Xatzhgakh kai sth synexeia na pane sth Boylh na ypobaloyn ena ypomnhma sta kommata me ta aithmata toys kai na fygoyn. Den yphrxe kanenas, ej oswn moy eipan, sxediasmos epeisodiwn h katalhcewn. Poqen antlhse h kybernhsh ayth thn eikona;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti barea gewrgika mhxanhmata den kykloforoyn stis poleis. Apla pragmata. Mporoysan na pane - -opws toys kalesan kai den phgan- - apo th Deytera to brady prin fygoyn kai den apodexqhkan prosklhsh ths kybernhshs, na pane sto Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, gia na toys synanthsei o armodios Yfypoyrgos gia deyterh fora.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sygnwmh, giati mas to lete kai mas to janalete. Boyize h Krhth oti qa fygoyn, oti zhtoysan kapoion armodio na syzhthsei mazi toys. Giati den phge enas Yfypoyrgos, den lew egw ton Ypoyrgo Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, enas Yfypoyrgos giati den katebhke sthn Krhth, na synomilhsei me toys agrotes prokeimenoy na mhn erqoyn edw; Ayto den htan ena problhma to opoio jekinhsan, phran ta trakter toys thn Deytera to prwi kai hrqan. Mexri o k. Markogiannakhs toys eipe ``hsaste kalodexoymenoi''. Afoy to hjeran, giati enas anqrwpos den shkwqhke na paei katw na syzhthsei mazi toys;

ANTWNAROS: Oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi kai Yfypoyrgoi, epaneilhmmenws, syzhthsan me toys agrotes ths Krhths. En pash periptwsei, oi agrotes gyrisan sthn Krhth. Orismenoi, as mhn prospoioyntai oti briskontai akomh sthn Aqhna, ston Peiraia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Mporeite na moy to ejhghsete kai na moy to kanete ligo pio liana, giati egw den mporw na katalabw.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy hqela na pw, to eipa. Den anaferomai se esas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den to katalabainw.

ANTWNAROS: Lypamai. To dikaiwma ths ermhneias to exete, anafaireto.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti eiste bebaios, pws oi polites exoyn krinei ws swsth thn antimetwpish ths Astynomias sthn ypoqesh twn agrotwn. Malista, prosferate kai apolyth sthrijh ston k. Markogiannakh. Ara, profanws ayth h politikh kai h strathgikh poy ekfrazei h EL.AS, sas ekfrazei kai esas. Hqela, loipon, na rwthsw to ejhs: Ayto shmainei oti h prohgoymenh politikh h strathgikh poy efhrmoze o k. Paylopoylos krinetai ws apotyxhmenh sthn ypoqesh twn koykoyloforwn opoy kahke olh h Aqhna;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa kai xqes se synadelfo sas oti den prokeitai na anaferqw, se kamia periptwsh, se qemata toy parelqontos.

XRHSTAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia na proxwrhsw to agrotiko ligo mprosta, mias kai shmera einai h synanthsh toy k. Xatzhgakh me thn armodia koinotikh Epitropo k. Mpoil kai lambanontas ypoch dhlwseis ths idias kai synergatwn ths, poy lene oti anamenoyn tis ejhghseis toy k. Xatzhgakh, gia to an aytes oi apozhmiwseis poy dinontai einai synnomes me to koinotiko dikaio, qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Se periptwsh poy h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, h k. Mpoil krinei oti olo to paketo h meros toy paketoy aytoy den einai synnomo me toys koinotikoys kanones, yparxei kapoio b sxedio ths kybernhshs gia na doqoyn ayta ta 500 ek. eyrw, an den kanw laqos, tosa einai;

ANTWNAROS: Qa perimenw th synanthsh poy qa exei argotera, shmera, me thn koinotikh Epitropo, o Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Swthrhs Xatzhgakhs, o opoios apo o,ti gnwrizw qa topoqethqei dhmosia amesws meta thn synanthsh toy, sxetika me to periexomeno twn synomiliwn. Emeis qewroyme oti h katabolh twn apozhmiwsewn stoys Ellhnes agrotes einai synnomh - -opws exw pei kai alles fores- - me toys koinotikoys kanones.

Sas eyxaristw.

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