Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-10-20

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 20 Oktwbrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 165276930

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 20 Oktwbrioy 2008

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs anaxwrei shmera to apogeyma gia to Londino, opoy ayrio Trith, 21 Oktwbrioy, qa synanthqei me to Bretano omologo toy k. Gkornton Mpraoyn. Ektos apo th synanthsh me ton k. Mpraoyn, poy qa pragmatopoihqei ayrio stis 12 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei stis 13.30, se epixeirhmaties kai efoplistes sto Travelers Club. Stis 16.00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me ton hgeth ths bretanikhs antipoliteyshs k. Nteibint Kameron. Telos, prin apo thn anaxwrhsh gia thn Aqhna, stis 19.15, qa egkainiasei thn Ekqesh ``Byzantio 330-1453'' sth Royal Academy of Arts, dhladh sth Basilikh Akadhmia Texnwn. Meta, o Prwqypoyrgos, opws sas eipa, qa anaxwrhsei kai qa ftasei sthn Aqhna tis prwtes prwines wres ths Tetarths.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh yioqetei thn protash poy ypobalei shmera o Synaspismos gia na anablhqei gia liges hmeres h syzhthsh ths protasews toy PASOK gia thn Proanakritikh Epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

XIWTHS: H kybernhsh exei thn pleiochfia sth Boylh...

ANTWNAROS: Oi syzhthseis exoyn oristei gia sygkekrimenes hmeres. Menw se ayto. Den exw kati allo na sas pw.

MIXAHL: Mporeite na mas peite, poioi qa synodeyoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo sto Londino;

ANTWNAROS: Ean me rwtate kata poson qa paei o k. Roysopoylos me ton Prwqypoyrgo, sas enhmerwnw oti o k. Roysopoylos apofasise na meinei edw, sthn Aqhna, prokeimenoy na proetoimastei kai na gracei thn omilia toy, enocei ths synedriashs poy qa ginei sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs, thn Tetarth. Pragma, bebaiws, poy den qa mporoyse na ginei, dhladh na ginei mia plhrhs, artia proetoimasia, kata th diarkeia enos tetoioy tajidioy, to opoio problepei - -opws sas anakoinwsa- - mia seira synanthsewn kai ekdhlwsewn kai epistrofh tis prwtes prwines wres ths Tetarths.

MIXAHL: Exei labei ypoch toy, ypoqetw, kai eseis ws kybernhsh, oti h paroysia toy dipla ston Prwqypoyrgo na shmainei oti den exei pia kai thn plhrh yposthrijh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn olh ayth diadikasia twn epomenwn hmerwn...

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite;

MIXAHL: Tis chfofories...

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa einai pisw thn Tetarth.

MIXAHL: O Prwqypoyrgos qa einai. To gegonos oti den qa exei mazi toy ton k. Roysopoylo, kallista mas epitrepei na ermhneysoyme oti o k. Roysopoylos den exei pia thn plhrh yposthrijh toy Prwqypoyrgoy se ayth th diadikasia kai epafietai sthn krish ths Boylhs.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai mia ayqaireth ermhneia, thn opoia se kamia periptwsh den qa th sthrijw.

TERZHS: H apanthsh sas, me alla logia, einai oti o k. Roysopoylos apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos, opws kai oi alloi Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs - -to exw pei kai alles fores- - einai Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs kai askoyn plhrws ta kaqhkonta toys.

TERZHS: Epeidh den htan ayth h erwthsh moy, ean moy epitrepete, pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh oles tis plhrofories poy erxontai kai apo kybernhtika xeilh peri paraithsews toy k. Roysopoyloy, pros dieykolynsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: Ola ayta ta pragmata exoyn apanthqei tis teleytaies hmeres kai gia tis idies erwthseis isxyoyn akribws oi idies apanthseis poy exoyn doqei.

KAKALHS: Mias kai eimaste sto qema toy k. Roysopoyloy, mporeite na mas peite, ti apanta o k. Roysopoylos stis martyries oti eixe synanthseis me foreis ths Janqhs ton Ioynio toy 2004, sthn Aqhna kai malista toys eixe tonisei oti h Monh Batopaidioy dikaioytai na parei ayta poy zhtaei kai qa ta parei. Eixe kai tetoia armodiothta o Ypoyrgos Epikrateias h eixe ejoysiodothqei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Oi Ypoyrgoi kanoyn, opws sas exw pei kai alles fores, polles synanthseis sta plaisia ths askhshs twn kaqhkontwn toys...

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Den qa ypeiselqw se kamia periptwsh synanthsewn. Den exw anaferqei pote se synanthseis poy exoyn kanei, eite o k. Roysopoylos, ston opoio anafereste en prokeimenw, eite alloi Ypoyrgoi.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla einai sta plaisia ths askhshs twn kaqhkontwn toy Ypoyrgoy Epikrateias na synantietai me foreis ths Janqhs gia to qema ths Monhs Batopaidioy;

ANTWNAROS: Sta plaisia askhshs twn kaqhkontwn kaqe Ypoyrgoy einai na synantietai me polloys polites, oi opoioi ekfrazoyn, diatypwnoyn diafora aithmata, ta opoia exoyn. H diatypwsh aithmatwn, h synanthsh me polites, h syzhthsh gia ta aithmata twn politwn, einai mesa sta plaisia ths askhshs twn armodiothtwn, twn kaqhkontwn qa elega akribestera, toy kaqe Ypoyrgoy.

TERZHS: Ean moy epitrepete, ayto omws, den einai kat` idian synanthsh, den einai mia idiwtikh synanthsh...

ANTWNAROS: Den milaw edw gia idiwtikes synanthseis. Anaferomai se synanthseis oi opoies ginontai sta plaisia ths askhshs - -to eipa kai prohgoymenws ayto, sthn prohgoymenh apanthsh poy edwsa- - twn kaqhkontwn. Den mporei kaneis na poinikopoihsei, se kamia periptwsh, tis synanthseis tis opoies exoyn ta melh ths kybernhshs kai to allo politiko stelexiko dynamiko me polites, oi opoioi zhtoyn na toys synanthsoyn, prokeimenoy na diatypwsoyn kapoio aithma.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla na to dieykrinisoyme. Zhthsan oi foreis na ton synanthsoyn h zhthse aytos na toys synanthsei;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai, opws sas eipa, na ypeiselqw, se kamia periptwsh, se synanthseis, tis leptomereies twn opoiwn den gnwrizw. Den gnwrizw kan an exoyn ginei aytes oi synanthseis. Ginontai para polles synanthseis twn politikwn proswpwn, toy politikoy stelexikoy dynamikoy, me polites.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta to xqesino prwtoselido ths efhmeridas EQNOS, opws antilambaneste, exoyn dhmioyrghqei polla erwthmatika gia th diapragmateytikh stash ths xwras mas, meta thn apokalych aytoy toy aporrhtoy thlegrafhmatos ths Amerikanikhs Presbeias sta Skopia. Egw hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo toys xeirismoys ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn.

ANTWNAROS: H k. Mpakogiannh diapragmateyetai ypeyqyna kai me thn entolh poy ths exoyn dwsei o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh to gnwsto qema. H Ellada diapragmateyetai - -sas ypenqymizw- - sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn kai exei mia qesh poy einai kala gnwsth apo kairo se oloys: Synqeto onoma, me gewgrafiko prosdiorismo poy qa isxyei, ayto to onoma, enanti olwn. Ayth einai h qesh mas kai me ayth th qesh briskomaste sth diapragmateysh. Me ayth th qesh, bebaiws, kai h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ws epopteyoysa diejagei th diapragmateysh, dia toy Ellhnos diapragmateytoy. Ayto einai apolytws fysiko. Den mporw na antilhfqw, giati epitrepete h prospaqeite na rijete mia opoiadhpote skia panw sth stash ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, me thn erwthsh sas. Den yparxei kanena apolytws tetoio qema.

XRISTAKOS: Skia sth stash ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, eipate oti den yparxei...

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti h erwthsh prospaqhse na rijei skia.

XRISTAKOS: H apanthsh sas htan oti den yparxei skia. Nai. En pash periptwsei. Skies sth stash twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn se synergasia, isws, me thn kybernhsh ths geitonikhs mas xwras, yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: H dikh mas qesh einai gnwsth. Einai gnwsth se oloys, opws eipa, edw kai kairo. Me th stash ayth, thn kala gnwsth, th staqerh stash, briskomaste kai diejagoyme th diapragmateysh. Kai opws gnwrizete, me epoikodomhtiko tropo, epidiwkoyme thn ejeyresh mias lyshs, poy qa einai amoibaia apodekth, sta plaisia oswn sas eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo th stigmh poy, opws eipate, h k. Mpakogiannh diapragmateyetai ypeyqyna me entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to qema toy onomatos, h kybernhsh prosanatolizetai na qesei qema Nimits sth diadikasia; Dhladh, na ton khryjei, tropon tina, persona non crata;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to eipa.

MIXAHL: (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Egw den exw na kanw kamia dieykrinish.

MIXAHL: Wraia, den yparxei logos na rixqoyn skies, mas ejhghsate me poio tropo ginetai h diapragmateysh kai poio plaisio. To sygkekrimeno eggrafo poy hrqe sto fws ths dhmosiothtas, mporeite na mas peite ean, estw kai ek twn ysterwn, afoy eixe stalei, htan eis gnwsh twn ellhnikwn diplwmatikwn yphresiwn;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to eipa. Tipote allo den exw na prosqesw. Shmasia exei, en prokeimenw, h dikh mas staqerh qesh poy - -epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - einai kala gnwsth edw kai kairo se oloys.

KAKALHS: Den bgazei kanena politiko symperasma h kybernhsh gia th stash twn HPA kai synexizei na th xarakthrizei eyprosdekth thn paroysia ths kai th symmetoxh ths stis diapragmateyseis;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

MIXAHL: Epanerxomai sthn prohgoymenh syzhthsh. Shmera, prin apo ligo, to KKE anakoinwse oti qa chfisei kai thn Proanakritikh Epitroph, peran ths Ejetastikhs poy eyqys ejarxhs eixe topoqethqei oti qa th sthrijei. Sas problhmatizei to gegonos kaqoloy oti ola ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs briskontai ston antipoda ths kybernhshs kai ws ek toytoy politika h kybernhsh mporei na emfanistei ws apomonwmenh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, diaqetei pleiochfia sth Boylh. Kai gnwrizete, epishs, oti h kybernhsh exei kanei sto sygkekrimeno qema o,ti apaiteitai, prokeimenoy na mhn yparjei kamia skia kai na ereynhqei h ypoqesh eis baqos, wste na lamcei h alhqeia.

PALAIOLOGOS: H erwthsh moy einai synepeia ths apanthshs. Den fobatai h kybernhsh to endexomeno na yparjoyn diarroes apo galazioys boyleytes sthn chfoforia gia thn Proanakritikh;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gi` ayto to qema - -moy kanate akribws thn idia erwthsh h eseis h kapoios allos kai thn Paraskeyh- - to eipa. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

XIWTHS: Meta thn apofash toy KKE na yperchfisei thn Proanakritikh Epitroph, oi piqanothtes na yperchfistei h sygkrothsh ths Proanakritikhs Epitrophs ayjanoyn aisqhta. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean sthn periptwsh yperchfishs ths protasews ayths h kybernhsh qewrei oti ta egkaloymena proswpa poy metexoyn sthn kybernhsh qa prepei na apoxwrisoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sas parakoloyqhsw, me olh thn ektimhsh poy exw sthn anaptyjh toy syllogismoy sas, se ypoqetika erwthmata. Ayta einai kaqara ypoqetika erwthmata.

XIWTHS: Eipa oti einai poly piqano.

ANTWNAROS: Nai, alla ejakoloyqoyn na einai ypoqetika. O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema twn syzhthsewn poy qa ginoyn sth Boylh, to exw pei. Den exw na prosqesw kati kainoyrgio.

TERZHS: Poia einai h ektimhsh ths kybernhshs gia to klima sthn kommatikh bash ths Neas Dhmokratias, me aformh ola osa syzhthqhkan, eipwqhkan kai metaferqhkan mesw twn efhmeridwn kai twn thleorasewn stis synanthseis poy eixan Ypoyrgoi me tis nomarxiakes Epitropes;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa kai thn perasmenh ebdomada, se sxetikh erwthsh poy moy egine, oti prokeitai gia mia zwntanh antallagh apocewn sta plaisia twn kommatikwn syzhthsewn poy ginontai me aformh tis nomarxiakes syneleyseis. Den exw na prosqesw kati diaforetiko.

SWTHRIADOY: Me aformh thn apanthsh sas, qa xarakthrizate zwntanh antallagh apocewn kai tis dhlwseis toy k. Tatoylh peri melanhs parenqeshs kai ola ta alla poy eipe;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

SWTHRIADOY: Den einai, dhladh, zwntanh antallagh apocewn.

ANTWNAROS: Milhsame gia tis nomarxiakes syneleyseis sta plaisia twn kommatikwn ekdhlwsewn, oi opoies eginan me ayth thn aformh. Gia to allo poy moy anaferate, den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti h epixeirhmatologia ths kybernhshs, oson afora thn oysia ths ypoqeshs Batopaidioy, sympiptei me ayth twn prokatoxwn sas. Dhladh o k. Drys, anefere sygkekrimena se synenteyjh toy oti ypegrace giati den mporoyse na kanei alliws, logw ths yparjhs eishghshs apo to gnwmodotiko symboylio. Ta idia akribws lete ki eseis.

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw pws katalhgete etsi biastika se tetoia symperasmata.

KAKALHS: Ayto den lete; Oti kai oi Ypoyrgoi kinhqhkan sto plaisio toy (den akoygetai)...

ANTWNAROS: Antilambaneste oti den sxoliazw dhlwseis boyleytwn, genika. Poly perissotero den qa sxoliasw dhlwseis prwhn boyleytwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia pote exei programmatistei to epishmo tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Katar;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto parakalw na to plhroforhqeite apo to grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Den exw ayth th stigmh thn akribh hmeromhnia. Einai mia sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia, alla eyxaristws na sas to pw an qelete argotera.

PALAIOLOGOS: Isxyei dhladh oti h episkech toy qa pragmatopoihqei sto Katar;

ANTWNAROS: Ena tajidi isxyei apo th stigmh poy anakoinwnetai epishma. Gnwrizete, ayth einai mia pagia taktikh...

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto to afhnete anoixto omws, na mhn pragmatopoihqei, me ayth th dhlwsh sas.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti sto parelqon, to tajidi fer` eipein ths Aystralias, an den kanw laqos, dyo h treis fores den pragmatopoihqhke stis arxika problepomenes hmeromhnies.

PALAIOLOGOS: Alla otan pragmatopoihqhke, qa moy epitrecete, eixe ton xarakthra proeklogikhs ekstrateias.

ANTWNAROS: Einai ligo anoikeia ta sxolia ta opoia kanete edw mesa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sygnwmh, den einai anoikeia ta sxolia, pros Qeoy! Politiko xarakthra exoyn. Oyte ybristiko periexomeno, oyte...

ANTWNAROS: ... ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn enhmerwsh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Ean qelete na kanete sxolia, doja tw Qew, bhma exete gia na to kanete. Egw jerw oti htan ena tajidi to opoio htan idiaitera apodotiko, odhghse sthn ypografh symfwniwn, qymaste, gia ta syntajiodotika dikaiwmata pollwn sympatriwtwn mas, oi opoioi exoyn zhsei sto ejwteriko kai den mporoysan gia para polla xronia na paroyn tis syntajeis toys. Mhn apajiwnete, loipon, tajidia ta opoia ginontai kai ekplhrwnoyn sygkekrimenoys stoxoys toys opoioys qetei - -qa moy epitrecete na sas pw- - oxi h kybernhsh, alla h ellhnikh Politeia.

XIWTHS: To tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ej oswn gnwrizw kai mas exei hdh anakoinwqei, sto Katar jekina to Sabbato kai oloklhrwnetai thn Trith. Epeidh einai poly konta to Sabbato, fantazomai oti an yphrxe kapoia skech anabolhs h mataiwshs toy, qa mas to eixate hdh anakoinwsei.

ANTWNAROS: Den lew kati tetoio. Alla qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti h anakoinwsh h opoia ginetai pros ta Mesa Enhmerwshs, prokeimenoy na proetoimazontai oi dhmosiografoi, kai to jerete eseis apo th megalh peira thn opoia exete, den sympiptei me thn epishmh anakoinwsh diejagwghs toy tajidioy. Giati gia diafora tajidia, polles fores xreiazetai mia megalyterh organwtikh proetoimasia, fer` eipein bizes klp. Allo h epishmh anakoinwsh kai allo h anakoinwsh, h enhmerwsh poy ginetai eswterika pros toys dhmosiografoys. Parola tayta, sas lew oti den afhnw tipota tetoio anoixto. Alla egw qa perimena panta thn epishmh anakoinwsh. Kati isxyei epishma apo th stigmh poy anakoinwnetai kai epishma. Den qelw ayth th stigmh na anaferqw se alles leptomereies, alla den exw kamia endeijh peri toy antiqetoy.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh syzhta thn epistrofh toy trixiliaroy apo toys pyropaqeis ths Hleias. Qa toys dwsei pisw thn chfo poy toys phre;

ANTWNAROS: Exete ypoch sas ti akribws ginetai; Foboymai pws den exete.

KAKALHS: Poses xiliades einai aytes poy qa parete pisw;

ANTWNAROS: Jerete oti yparxoyn periptwseis anqrwpwn oi opoioi prospaqhsan me diafores energeies oi opoies den htan synnomes - -kai orismenoi petyxan- - na paroyn tis 3.000 eyrw. Fer eipein, dinontas plastoys, mh yparktoys ariqmoys forologikoy mhtrwoy. Phgainontas se dyo h treis trapezes kai pairnontas dyo h tria trixiliara. Mporeite eseis na isxyristeite oti kalws eprajan aytoi; Asfalws kai oxi qa moy peite, den exw kamia amfibolia. Aytoi, loipon, sta plaisia enos elegxoy, to opoio einai fysiko na dienergei h Politeia, kaloyntai na epistrecoyn ta posa ta opoia den dikaioyntai na exoyn parei. Egw pisteyw oti oloi qa speysoyn na yposthrijoyn oti aytoi oi anqrwpoi, osoi yparxoyn, prepei na gyrisoyn ta lefta pisw. Ayta einai lefta toy ellhnikoy laoy.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla proeklogika to jerate oti yphrxe aytos o kindynos, alla dhlwnate oti den exei shmasia na parei kai kapoios parapanw, prokeimenoy na ta paroyn ola prin thn kalph.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio eixame pei, opws qymaste, htan diaforetiko. Diastrefete, dystyxws, ayta ta opoia exoyme pei...

KAKALHS: Kaqoloy den diastrefw.

ANTWNAROS: Ta diastrefete.

KAKALHS: Qymaste tis dhlwseis twn kybernhtikwn stelexwn proeklogika;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. Allo htan ekeino to opoio eixame pei. Eixame pei oti prokeimenoy oi polloi nomimoi dikaioyxoi na paroyn ta lefta toys grhgora, as breqoyn kai orismenoi ligoi, oi opoioi qa paranomhsoyn. Aytoys toys briskoyme sth diadromh kai aytoi twra kaloyntai na feroyn ta lefta pisw. Dhladh, eprepe tote na timwrhqoyn osoi edikaioynto kai dikaioyntai na paroyn ta xrhmata, prokeimenoy na piastoyn sth faka 5, 10, 20, 30 oi opoioi me mh qemita mesa phran ta xrhmata; Oxi. Oi polloi pairnoyn ta xrhmata grhgora kai osoi breqoyn na exoyn paranomhsei kaloyntai na epistrecoyn tis enisxyseis. Oi enisxyseis aytes den einai dwro pros ekeinoys poy den dikaioyntai. Einai amesh oikonomikh enisxysh se ekeinoys poy eixan pragmatikh anagkh. Kai apo kanenan apo aytoys den zhta h Politeia na epistrecei ta xrhmata. As mhn allazoyme, loipon, thn pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla aytos akribws o xeirismos den htan proeklogikh chfoqhrikh meqodeysh, ola ayta poy mas eipate;

ANTWNAROS: Einai dikh sas ektimhsh thn opoia den symmerizomai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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