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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 7 Oktwbrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 162896578

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 7 Oktwbrioy 2008

Xairete.

Ayrio, Tetarth 8 Oktwbrioy, stis 11 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Kwsta Karamanlh, sto Megaro Majimoy, me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Tatoylhs shmera, se mia epikoinwnia poy eixe mesw toy site poy diaqetei me toys chfoforoys toy, brhke thn eykairia kai epanatopoqethqhke se diafora qemata sta opoia ton rwtoysan oi chfoforoi toy. Ekei, loipon, anaferei kai pali oti yparxoyn kapoioi eynohmenoi mesa sthn kybernhsh, enw den distazei na pei oti einai dikaiwma twn boyleytwn na lene eleyqera thn apoch toys kai oysiastika askei kritikh se ayto poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, giati o Prwqypoyrgos jekina thn periodeia toy sta ypoyrgeia, ton kyklo twn episkecewn toy sta ypoyrgeia, apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs; Qewrei oti ekei yparxoyn ta perissotera problhmata h qewrei oti h hgesia toy sygkekrimenoy Ypoyrgeioy exei anagkh apo politikh sthrijh;

ANTWNAROS: Aytes oi ermhneies tis opoies eseis dinete den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe pro oligwn hmerwn oti qa episkefqei jana, opws ekane allwste kai taktika sto parelqon, afotoy egine Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras, ta ypoyrgeia. Kai ayto ginetai prajh. Den yparxei kamia tetoia ermhneia san kai ayth poy anaferate.

XIWTHS: Qelete na moy peite, dhladh, oti h epilogh einai apolytws tyxaia;

ANTWNAROS: Qa mporoysa na sas dwsw polles ermhneies.

XIWTHS: Dwste moy mia.

ANTWNAROS: Fer` eipein oti arxizei to Ypoyrgeio ayto apo alfa. Alla, ayto egw den qa to elega kan. O Prwqypoyrgos episkeptetai ta ypoyrgeia - -opws gnwrizete kai apo to parelqon- - xwris na yparxei mia tetoia ajiologhsh san kai ayth thn opoia, o k. Xiwths, apo thn pleyra toy dhmosiografoy, prospaqhse na kanei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Anarwtiemai, omws, egw, epeidh jekinhse tis episkeceis sta ypoyrgeia apo to sygkekrimeno ypoyrgeio, mhpws ayto ginetai gia na shmatodothsei thn antimetwpish, mallon thn prospaqeia antimetwpishs ths akribeias h mhpws giati oi epidoseis ths hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy sthn antimetwpish ths akribeias einai penixres;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den qelw na ypeiselqw kaqoloy se tetoia ermhneiologia. As perimenete na deite thn topoqethsh thn opoia qa kanei o Prwqypoyrgos.

PALAIOLOGOS: H kybernhsh, ti apoch exei gia tis epidoseis ths hgesias sto qema ths katapolemhshs ths akribeias;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei para polles fores se ayto to qema kai sas exoyme pei oti ayth h prospaqeia einai synexhs, diarkhs. Den einai enas agwnas o opoios kerdizetai apo th mia hmera sthn allh. Topoqethqhke poly prosfata, molis xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, metajy twn allwn kai se ayto to qema. As diabasete, loipon, thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios - -nomizw- - pio ayqentika apo opoiondhpote allo, topoqeteitai kai gia ayto to qema, enwpion twn melwn ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia megalo meros twn problhmatwn poy antimetwpizei h ellhnikh oikonomia shmera, ftaiei h dieqnhs krish. Omws, h timh toy petrelaioy exei shmeiwsei to teleytaio xroniko diasthma mia aisqhth ptwsh, mia aisqhth meiwsh. Ayth giati den th blepoyme poyqena sthn kaqhmerinothta mas emeis oi Ellhnes;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sas kanw analysh ths sxeshs metajy ths timhs toy argoy petrelaioy kai ths timhs twn ygrwn kaysimwn, opws ayth h timh diamorfwnetai gia ton katanalwth. Allwste kai o Prwqypoyrgos milhse gia streblwseis, tis opoies me ta mesa ta opoia diaqetei h Politeia kai me thn enisxysh twn mhxanismwn elegxoy thn opoia kaname kai qa synexisoyme na kanoyme, frontizoyme wste oi streblwseis aytes na meiwqoyn, na antimetwpistoyn. Einai kai ayto mesa sta plaisia twn prospaqeiwn poy ginontai.

TERZHS: Ypoqetw pantws, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti h kybernhsh den exei to rolo toy parathrhth, parathrei tis streblwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, bebaia.

TERZHS: Alla na erqoyme se ena allo shmeio ths xqesinhs omilias toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada. Kai anaferomai sthn anafora toy peri eggyhshs twn kataqesewn twn politwn. Opws prokyptei me ton pio epishmo tropo, ennow ton kyrio Xoakin Almoynia, monon h Irlandia exei plhrh eggyhsh twn kataqesewn, enw oles oi alles xwres-kai malista sth xwra mas isxyei apo to 2000-exoyne mia eggyhsh mexri toy posoy twn 20.000 eyrw. Anarwtiemai ti akribws skopeyei na kanei h kybernhsh-an mporeite na ginete ligo pio safhs-pera apo th genikh diakhryjh.

ANTWNAROS: Einai safes ayto to opoio eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Isxyei sto akeraio. Oi Ellhnes polites antilambanontai me poly jekaqaro kai krystallino tropo ti shmainei ayth h desmeysh, ti shmainei ayth h frash. Kai den exw na prosqesw kati allo s ayto.

RABANOS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh ep aytoy: O Prwqypoyrgos tis teleytaies hmeres, toso o idios, oso ki o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias proforika desmeythkan gia tis kataqeseis twn politwn. Einai politikh desmeysh. Nomika, ejetazei h kybernhsh thn kataqesh nomoqetikhs ryqmishs-gia na ginw pio sygkekrimenos-gia thn eggyhsh twn kataqesewn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati, sthn poly krystallinh, jekaqarh topoqethsh poy ekanan ki o Prwqypoyrgos kai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias.

TERZHS: An moy epitrepete: ayto, dhladh, poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos einai oti isxyoyn oi nomoi toy kratoys.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai jekaqaros s ayto to opoio eipa kai de nomizw oti wfelei kaqoloy peraiterw syzhthsh panw s ayto to qema. Opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos xqes, to ellhniko trapeziko systhma einai asfales.

KAKALHS: ``Panw ap ola kyriarxei h egnoia mas gia toys oikonomika asqenesteroys'', eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada. Alla thn idia stigmh kai mesa apo toys stoxoys kai ta megeqh toy Proypologismoy, apodeiknyetai akribws to antiqeto. Kraygaleo paradeigma to Tameio Kata Ths Ftwxeias poy pali ston Proypologismo toy epomenoy etoys problepei 100.000.000 se antiqesh me tis palaioteres dhlwseis kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias, dhladh 50 eyrw se kaqe ftwxo, se kaqe anqrwpo poy brisketai katw apo to orio ths ftwxeias. Epishs, nea foroepidromh, syntajeis kai misqoi katw apo ton plhqwrismo. Pisteyete oti den ginetai antilhpth apo ton kosmo ayth h kraygalea antiqesh anamesa sta logia kai sta erga;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den diabasate oles tis dhlwseis tis opoies ekane xqes, amesws meta thn kataqesh toy prosxedioy toy Proypologismoy sth Boylh, o Ypoyrgos o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Anaferqhke ektenws, erwtwmenos, sto sygkekrimeno qema kai eipe oti ``oson afora ta qemata twn problecewn toy Eqnikoy Tameioy Koinwnikhs Synoxhs, qa exoyme thn eykairia stis epomenes hmeres ki ebdomades na kanoyme sygkekrimenes anakoinwseis kai qa krathsw'', eipe o Ypoyrgos, ``ta sxolia moy gia tote''.

Qa hqela, epishs, se ayto to opoio eipate na sas epishmanw oti h koinwnikh diastash toy Proypologismoy toy 2009 einai dedomenh pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh. Oi pistwseis poy problepontai gia koinwnikes dapanes, opws xrhmatodothseis epidomatwn, programmatwn apasxolhshs kai ths symmetoxhs toy kratoys sto asfalistiko systhma, einai ayjhmenes kata 13% se sxesh me to etos 2008, dhladh to trexon etos.

KAKALHS: Kai oi foroi einai kata 13% ayjhmenoi epishs, enw kai oi dapanes gia thn Ygeia kai thn Paideia einai kaqhlwmenes sto 3,2% kai sto 2,5% antistoixa.

ANTWNAROS: Se ola ta qemata exei apanthsei, xqes, me apolyth safhneia o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete pws ginetai ap th mia na leei o Prwqypoyrgos oti dianyoyme th megalyterh krish metapolemika kai ap thn allh h ellhnikh oikonomia na emfanizei ryqmo anaptyjhs 3% kai malista ton epomeno xrono; Den qa thn aggijei, dhladh, thn ellhnikh oikonomia h krish;

ANTWNAROS: Exei anaferqei kai se ayto. Den qa hqela se ayto to xwro na epanalambanw aytoysia apospasmata ths xqesinhs synenteyjhs toy k. Alogoskoyfh. Parola tayta, den nomizw oti amfisbhteite oyte eseis, oti briskomaste sth megalyterh xrhmatopistwtikh krish ths periodoy meta ton B' Pagkosmio polemo. Ayto einai adiamfisbhthto.

KAKALHS: (den akoygetai)... thn ellhnikh oikonomia giati ayjanetai o ryqmos anaptyjhs...

ANTWNAROS: Emeis den eimaste ekeinoi poy eipame oti h Ellada einai nhsi mesa sth dieqnh oikonomia. Antiqetws, molis prin apo liges hmeres edw anefera oti kati tetoio den isxyei. Alloi htan ekeinoi oi opoioi mexri protinos ejakoloyqoysan na isxyrizontai kati tetoio kai twra prospaqoyn me mia akatasxeth paroxologia kai yposxesiologia na dhmioyrghsoyn thn entypwsh oti mporoyn na dinoyn se oloys ta panta.

KAKALHS: Faskete ki antifaskete, giati synexizete na lete oti parolo poy yparxei ayth h krish, h ellhnikh oikonomia qa synexisei na anaptyssetai xwris na ephreazetai.

ANTWNAROS: Einai sygkekrimena ayta ta opoia eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Sas parakalw na ta diabasete. Eyxaristws na sas dwsw olh th xqesinh omilia.

XIWTHS: Enas apo toys pio aisiodojoys, toys pio filodojoys stoxoys poy periexei o Proypologismos poy katateqhke xqes sth Boylh einai gia thn ayjhsh twn esodwn toy kratoys. H analysh twn eidikwn anaferei oti ayth h ayjhsh twn esodwn qa proelqei kyriws apo ta esoda, apo ton FPA. Pws akribws qa ginei ayto k. Ekproswpe; Qa ayjhqei o FPA, opws fhmologeitai h exete brei kapoio magiko rabdi; Dioti, me tis paradosiakes meqodoys, ayjhsh twn esodwn den exoyme dei sta teleytaia tessera xronia.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete pali - -lypamai poy qa to kanw - - na sas diabasw olo to apospasma ths sxetikhs topoqethshs toy k. Alogoskoyfh. Erwthqhke akribws...

XIWTHS: (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Akribws. Qa sas parakaloysa, loipon, na to diabasete. Den exei nohma na me rwtate ta idia pragmata poy rwthsan xqes oi synadelfoi sas ton armodio ypoyrgo. Den ejyphretei se tipota.

XIWTHS: Moy epitrepete, gia na sas glitwsw apo ton kopo.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

XIWTHS: Desmeyetai h kybernhsh oti den qa yparjei ayjhsh toy FPA stoys epomenoys 12 mhnes;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei me apolyth safhneia panw se ayto.

PALAIOLOGOS: An mas legate kai to pote;

XIWTHS: Pote desmeyqhke gi` ayto k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Qa prepei na anatrejete sto arxeio sas na to deite.

XIWTHS: Ma, anetreja prin sas rwthsw.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei ayto poy sas eipa.

TERZHS: Na kanoyme mia parenqesh sta oikonomika kai na sas kanw thn ejhs erwthsh: Me dedomeno oti o Prwqypoyrgos dhlwnei kai eseis oti h xwra mas einai sthn prwtoporia ths Eyrwphs, qelw na moy ermhneysete ligo to politiko skeptiko pisw apo thn apofash ths kybernhshs na symporeyqei me ta nea krath-melh ths anatolikhs Eyrwphs, poy egw lew oti den fhmizontai idiaitera kai gia tis draseis toys yper toy periballontos, sxetika me thn klimatikh allagh, gyrnwntas oysiastika h Ellada, apo ta palaiotera melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, thn plath stis politikes twn aneptygmenwn kratwn poy qeloyn elegxo twn rypwn.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei xqesinh dhlwsh toy yfypoyrgoy Periballontos k. Stayroy Kalogiannh, o opoios anaferqhke ep` aytoy kai dhlwse ta ejhs: ``Prokalei entypwsh to gegonos oti orismena MME epanerxontai se ena anyparkto qema: Oti dhqen oi ypoyrgoi Periballontos Ellados kai Polwnias, kyrioi Soyflias kai Nobitski, symfwnhsan na kaqysterhsoyn thn efarmogh twn metrwn poy prowqei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia tis klimatikes allages. Gia mia akomh fora dhlwnw kathgorhmatika oti h synanthsh poy elabe xwra thn prohgoymenh ebdomada aforoyse syzhthsh se genika periballontika qemata. Oson afora thn efarmogh twn metrwn poy prowqei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia tis klimatikes allages, einai dedomenh kai thn exoyme diatypwsei epaneilhmmena sta Symboylia Periballontos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Dhladh, eimaste apolytws proshlwmenoi sth desmh protasewn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs gia thn antimetwpish ths klimatikhs allaghs. Basiko shmeio ths desmhs einai h meiwsh twn ekpompwn aeriwn toy qermokhpioy kata 20% ews to 2020, se epipedo Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, kai kata 30% sthn periptwsh poy yparjei dieqnhs symfwnia.'' Pera apo ayto, nomizw oti den yparxei kamia amfibolia gia th stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

TERZHS: Apla, gia na ejhghsw thn erwthsh moy, ligo argotera apo th dhlwsh toy k. Kalogiannh, o Polwnos ypoyrgos Periballontos k. Nobitski epanelabe oti yparxei synantilhch kai sygklish apocewn me thn Ellada, metajy allwn kai sthn kaqysterhsh ths eisagwghs toy systhmatos plhroys emporias rypwn k.t.l.

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw pws apodidetai kapoia dhlwsh enos jenoy ajiwmatoyxoy. Egw ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai h safhs, sygkekrimenh, desmeytikh dhlwsh toy yfypoyrgoy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, thn opoia molis sas anegnwsa.

TSIOYFOS: Qa moy epitrecete na janagyrisw sta oikonomika. Den qewreite oti yparxei mia antifash, kaqws oloi dexomaste - -kai eseis fantazomai- - oti h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish estiazetai, ayth th stigmh, sto xrhmatopistwtiko systhma. Dhladh, sthn adynamia twn trapezwn na xrhmatodothsoyn kai ta problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn (den akoygetai). Apo th stigmh poy to ellhniko xrhmatopistwtiko systhma lete oti einai ygies kai den exei problhmata, giati synexizete na xrhsimopoieite me tosh entash th dieqnh krish;

ANTWNAROS: H dieqnhs krish, opws asfalws eimai bebaios oti gnwrizete, exei polles parametroys. Kai ayto to blepoyme, oxi mono sthn Eyrwph, alla kai se xwres oikonomika isxyres, pera apo thn Eyrwph. Den qelw, ayth th stigmh, na kanw anafores se dieqnh oikonomika qemata. Qa sas elega, omws, oti mia prosektikh anagnwsh dieqnwn MME sta opoia eimai bebaios oti exete prosbash, qa sas diafwtize oti yparxoyn polles ptyxes ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema twn trapezikwn kataqesewn. Qa anagnwrizete kai eseis oti to zhthma ayto, me aformh to gegonos oti o Prwqypoyrgos xqes diabebaiwse gia thn asfaleia twn trapezikwn kataqesewn, einai kai cyxologiko kai oikonomiko zhthma. To cyxologiko einai qema cyxologias kai o Prwqypoyrgos ayto to pragma to anelabe xqes me th diakhryjh toy. To oikonomiko, omws, pws mporei na diasfalistei nomika kai texnokratika, den to antimetwpizei h kybernhsh kai malista dedomenoy toy oti h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh zhta ena sxetiko nomiko oplostasio, dhladh thn efarmogh kapoioy sygkekrimenoy nomikoy oplostasioy, gia na mhn yparjei kati to epikindyno stis kataqeseis.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den akoysate ti eipe molis o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ton akoysa.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, menw sth xqesinh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, h opoia einai apolytws safhs, jekaqarh kai perigrafei me apolyth akribeia gia oloys toys Ellhnes kataqetes, gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites, th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai ths ellhnikhs Politeias.

GALIATSATOS: Dhladh, me liga logia apokleiete kathgorhmatika to endexomeno na ferei h kybernhsh mia nomoqetikh ryqmish gia ayto to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati allo se ayto to qema.

KAKALHS: Mexri prin apo ligo kairo h kybernhsh diabebaiwne oti to dhmosionomiko elleimma qa einai katw toy 3% kai den empaine qema epithrhshs ths oikonomias kai jafnika mas emfanizei to elleimma sto 3,4%, poly panw apo to stoxo toy 1,8% poy eixe teqei apo ton Proypologismo. Kat` arxhn, h kybernhsh olo ayto ton kairo ekrybe stoixeia; Kai kata deyteron, poy sthrizei tis ektimhseis ths oti den einai diathrhsimo to elleimma panw apo to 3,4%;

ANTWNAROS: Ekane oloklhrh analysh, xqes, o k. Alogoskoyfhs sthn opoia kai sas parapempw.

ROYMELIWTH: Exw dyo erwthseis. Kat` arxhn, qa hqela, epeidh sxoliasate emmesws tis topoqethseis poy ekane o k. Papandreoy sth shmerinh Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK, ean eixate ena genikotero sxolio gia thn oikonomikh protash poy ekane kai gia thn protash epanidryshs toy kratoys. Egw xrhsimopoiw ayto ton oro. Kai qa hqela, epishs, na rwthsw ean exete kapoio sxolio gia thn pyrodothsh mias neas syzhthshs poy afora th synergasia eite toy PASOK me to SYRIZA h kai thn epanafora akomh ths protashs toy k. Karatzaferh gia sthrijh ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias ypo tis proypoqeseis tis opoies anaferei, mias filolaikoterhs dhladh politikhs.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to deytero qema, exei topoqethqei me apolyth safhneia, poly prosfata, o Prwqypoyrgos. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo se ayto to opoio exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos. Oson afora to prwto qema sto opoio anaferqhkate, o k. Papandreoy, gia mia akomh fora shmera, ekane ayto to opoio synhqizoyn na kanoyn kai o idios kai to PASOK: Na yposxontai se oloys ta panta. Kai anarwtietai kaneis, me oles aytes tis yposxeseis kai mia dhqen filokoinwnikh politikh thn opoia fainetai na proteinei to PASOK, mhpws krybetai pisw apo ayth thn koinwnikh politikh mia nea ``foromphxtikh'' politikh. Ayto, profanws, einai poy yposxetai to PASOK stoys Ellhnes polites. Einai mia palia syntagh. Thn exei efarmosei sta deka teleytaia xronia ths diakybernhshs toy, an den kanw laqos, 80 fores, epiballontas oloena kai kainoyrgioys foroys. Kalwntas, dhladh, toys Ellhnes polites na xrhmatodothsoyn thn akrath paroxologia poy proxeira, xwris kanena sxediasmo, paroysiazoyn stoys Ellhnes polites. Oi Ellhnes polites exoyn katalabei ti krybetai pisw apo aytes tis asxediastes yposxeseis toy PASOK kai jeroyn akomh poly kala ti qa shmaine an akomh kai ayta poy perilambanontai sto xqesino sxedio nomoy to opoio kateqese to PASOK pros egkrish sth Boylh, ginontan prajh. Pera apo tis ryqmiseis gia to epidoma qermanshs, poy to PASOK erxetai deytero - -h kybernhsh hdh to exei anaggeilei- - ta epipleon poy yposxetai kai anakoinwnei to PASOK qa kostizan ston Ellhna forologoymeno, mono gia mia xronia, sxedon ena disekatommyrio enniakosia ekatommyria eyrw. Kai den leei to PASOK poy qa ta brei ayta ta lefta. Kai den leei akoma to PASOK, kati akomh, oti h ayjhsh twn epistrofwn toy FPA stoys agrotes, thn opoia qelei na nomoqethsei symfwna me th xqesinh toy protash, den einai epitrepth sta plaisia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Den exoyme th dynatothta. Exoyme ejantlhsei tis dynatothtes poy exoyme. Kai an to kaname ayto, opws proxeira gia mia akomh fora proteinei to PASOK, tote ayto qa mas kostize para polla xrhmata, me thn perikoph allwn kondyliwn apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Xreiazetai ypeyqynothta sthn askhsh ths oikonomikhs politikhs, eidika stis shmerines synqhkes.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke, xqes, stis proteraiothtes, opws eipe, gia toys epomenoys mhnes. Ayto to xronodiagramma syndeetai me th diarkeia zwhs ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, ejelegh prin apo peripoy ena xrono gia sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma.

KAKALHS: Toys epomenoys mhnes.

ANTWNAROS: Gia sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma. Eimai bebaios oti gnwrizete ti problepei to Syntagma gia thn eklogh mias kybernhshs. Kai sas diabebaiw oti h shmerinh kybernhsh kai th boylhsh exei kai thn koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia poy xreiazetai, wste na kanei prajh ola osa anakoinwse o Prwqypoyrgos.

TSIOYFOS: Pantws, thn epistrofh toy FPA stoys agrotes den th zhta mono to PASOK. Prosfata, an qymamai kala, boyleytes toy kommatos sas eixan ypogracei koinh dhlwsh-protash sth Boylh poy kai ekeinoi to idio pragma zhtoysan, thn epistrofh toy FPA stoys agrotes. Kai kyriws boyleytes poy proerxontai apo agrotikes perioxes.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa sas eipa.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Se sxesh me th fhmologoymenh nea protash toy Maqioy Nimits gia thn onomasia ths geitonikhs xwras twn Skopiwn, h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs ektos toy oti synexizoyme na syzhtame mexri na breqei amoibaia apodekth lysh, einai oti kai emeis bazoyme kapoio akoma nero sto krasi mas gia na bohqhsoyme ayto to pragma na fqasei se ena telos h qa sklhrynoyme th stash mas; Giati akoyw kapoies ekdoxes poy mallon pagides moy akoygontai.

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai staqerh kai den exei allajei. Den prokeitai na sxoliasw, se kamia periptwsh, mia diadikasia poy brisketai se ejelijh. To keimeno poy anamenetai na kataqesei o diapragmateyths k. Nimits, eite me th morfh protasewn, eite me th morfh idewn, qa ajiologhqei otan katateqei. Alla, h qesh mas - -to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - einai staqerh, einai gnwsth. Den yparxei kamia allagh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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