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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 25 Septembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 160651995

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 25 Septembrioy 2008

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 10.30, qa milhsei sth synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to gegonos oti sas blepoyme edw mprosta mas, shmainei oti den ypobalate pote thn paraithsh sas, opws kykloforhse se polla dhmosiografika grafeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na asxoloymai kaqe mera me th fantasia kai tis fantasiwseis toy kaqenos. Exw sobara pragmata na kanw.

KAKALHS: Epeidh kaqhmerina diabebaiwnete oti einai nwph h laikh entolh kai den yfistatai qema prowrwn eklogwn, pws mporei na staqei mia apeilh prowrwn eklogwn ek meroys toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayrio sthn Kentrikh Epitroph;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kanenos eidoys tetoia apeilh, oyte proanaggelletai kati tetoio, oyte yparxei sth skech kati tetoio.

KAKALHS: Oyte ws anasxhmatismos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To exw janapei, polles fores. Sas qymizw, monon etsi gia thn istoria, giati prepei na qymomaste merika pragmata: Anasxhmatismos jekinhse na ginetai apo to Septembrio toy 2004 kai egine telika to Febroyario toy 2006. Ayto, gia opoion katalabainei.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos den qelei na einai paidonomos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti einai ayto;

KORAH: Kykloforhse mia tetoia frash toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei tetoia frash toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KORAH: Eyxaristw.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, telika to trito deipno toy Prwqypoyrgoy, pros to qerino tmhma ths Boylhs qa pragmatopoihqei; Giati akoygontai diafora. Mia qa ginei shmera, mia ayrio, mia kaqoloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H alhqeia einai oti legontai diafora, pros thn kateyqynsh poy kinhqhkan prohgoymenws, kai kapoies erwthseis. Ofeilw na omologhsw oti oi erwthseis htan sobares. Alla to periexomeno twn oswn legontai exei apanthqei polles fores. Den qa pw tipote kainoyrgio. To exw janapei.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exete mpei sth diadikasia na anarwthqeite poios kykloforei aytes tis fhmes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

MPALHS: Lete ``den mporw na asxoloymai me th fantasia kai tis fantasiwseis kanenos''. Exete mpei sth diadikasia...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, alla qa hlpiza na mpoyn kapoioi dhmosiografoi sto reportaz, anti gia th fantasia.

KORAH: O Prwqypoyrgos, opws mas lete, anasxhmatismo den qa kanei, prowres ekloges den qa prokhryjei, estw kai emmesa. Mporeite na mas peite ti qa kanei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa milhsei ayrio sthn Kentrikh Epitroph.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa spasw ligaki to klima peri anasxhmatismoy kai qa rwthsw ean yparxei to endexomeno epitajhs twn telwneiakwn me aformh th synexizomenh apergia toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekane mia dhlwsh o k. Alogoskoyfhs, thn opoia gnwrizete apo xqes. Epanalambanw mono -me bash ayta ta opoia exei pei kai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai eipa ki egw xqes to meshmeri- oti den einai dynaton enas klados kaloplhrwmenwn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn na epixeirei na krathsei omhro thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Kai akoyste to logo: Epeidh qeloyn oi idioi na diaxeirizontai ton eidiko logariasmo. Thn wra, dhladh, poy oi eidikoi logariasmoi katargoyntai apo ola ta ypoyrgeia, enas klados ergazomenwn qelei na diaxeirizetai o idios ton eidiko logariasmo. Ayto einai nootropies toy parelqontos me tis opoies emeis kai sygkroyomaste kai qa synexisoyme na sygkroyomaste.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Phrame mia eikona xqes apo th Nea Yorkh, oti o k. Nimits metebale th stash se sxesh me ayta poy eixame, toylaxiston, akoysei kata thn teleytaia synanthsh toy me toys antiproswpoys twn dikwn mas kai twn Skopiwn. Exete kapoia tetoia eikona; Giati eisepraja ena klima sxedon  epitrecte moy- ``panhgyriko shmera, oti telos pantwn allaje stash kai phge th diapragmateysh ekei poy qelame emeis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei dhlwsh h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, thn opoia den qa sas diabasw oloklhrh. Qa sas diabasw mono to epimaxo shmeio: ``H ellhnikh pleyra'', leei h k. Mpakogiannh, ``eixe gia mia akomh fora thn eykairia na dhlwsei kaqara ston k. Nimits thn epoikodomhtikh ths qesh kai th boylhsh ths gia aneyresh mias koina apodekths lyshs sto qema toy onomatos twn Skopiwn. Mas doqhke h eykairia na qesoyme jana ston k. Nimits tis ellhnikes qeseis me safhneia kai plhrothta. H entolh toy k. Nimits einai na diapragmateytoyme to onoma ths xwras ayths''. Milame gia to onoma. Ayth einai h diapragmateysh h opoia ginetai. Tipote perissotero, tipote ligotero.

TERZHS: Gia na janagyrisoyme ligo sto qema twn telwneiakwn ypallhlwn. Epeidh profanws h kybernhsh den qelei na pane oi ligotero kaloplhrwmenoi dhmosioi ypallhloi, idiwtikoi ypallhloi kai na spasoyn to mploko twn Telwneiwn, katanow th qesh ths kybernhshs, fantazomai oti kai eseis katanoeite to problhma arketwn, olwn twn sympolitwn mas poy exoyn elleich toylaxiston sta kaysima ayth th stigmh, endexomenws akoygontai diafora kai gia trofima kai eidh prwths anagkhs. Kai janaqetw to erwthma: Peran apo thn katadikh ths stashs twn telwneiakwn, an h kybernhsh protiqetai na analabei opoiadhpote prwtoboylia gia thn apemplokh apo to sygkekrimeno zhthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H epomenh kinhsh qa einai na katateqei sta dikasthria aithma gia na khryxqei h apergia paranomh kai kataxrhstikh.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy. Den katalabainw ayto poy eipate peri kaloplhrwmenwn. Ki eseis palaiotera, sto parelqon, symfwna kai me th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy hsastan kaloplhrwmenos dhmosiografos kai h kybernhsh genika mporei na pei...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw kanei dhlwsh h opoia einai safhs kai diayghs.

KAKALHS: ... kai h kybernhsh genika mporei na pei kaneis oti einai kaloplhrwmenh, alla ayto den thn empodizei na katadynasteyei thn pleiochfia toy kosmoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite;

KAKALHS: Giati einai stigma to ``kaloplhrwmenos''; Den katalabainw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai kaqoloy stigma. Anaferetai sto oti den xanetai oyte ena eyrw apo tis amoibes toys kai ayto to opoio epidiwkoyn, ayto to opoio qeloyn einai na diaxeirizontai oi idioi ton eidiko logariasmo. Otan ypoyrgeia katargoyn toys eidikoys logariasmoys poy eixan mexri twra, kai ayto htan pantote politikh boylhsh ths kybernhshs, to eipame kai to kaname prajh me to forologiko nomosxedio. Katargoyme toys eidikoys logariasmoys kai erxontai kapoioi ypallhloi, oi opoioi xwris na xanoyn tipota apo tis kales amoibes poy exoyn, zhtoyn na diaxeirizontai aytoi to logariasmo. Yparxei kybernhsh h opoia kyberna, yparxei Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn to opoio ryqmizei ta qemata.

KAKALHS: Toys eixate yposxeqei alla, omws, lene.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos. Se o,ti afora toys eidikoys logariasmoys, exete akoysei para polles fores ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn na anaferontai me poly sygkekrimeno tropo se ayto to qema. To ``katargoyme toys eidikoys logariasmoys'' einai politikh mas qesh, thn opoia exete akoysei perissoteres apo mia fora.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, aisqanqhkate pote thn anagkh na ta bronthjete kai na fygete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei. Den qa synexisw na asxoloymai me ayto to qema.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw katalabainw oti ontws ayta ta opoia akoyme, maqainoyme kaqe mera einai sth fantasia kapoiwn. Omws eseis poso gero stomaxi exete na akoyte kaqe hmera kapoioys na sas lene na dieykolynete ton Prwqypoyrgo, na dieykolynete ton Prwqypoyrgo; Poso qa antejete; Antexetai ayto to pragma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai se ayto to erwthma exei apanthsei h zwh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eseis oysiastika epirriptete thn eyqynh gia oles tis fhmologies stoys dhmosiografoys enw h pragmatikothta einai diaforetikh. Stelexh toy kommatos sas me dhlwseis toys oysiastika pyrodotoyn ayth thn katastash. Den sas enoxlei oti stelexh toy kommatos sas, sas exoyn stoxopoihsei kai balloyn enantion sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katarxas, eimai enantion twn genikeysewn kai ws ek toytoy, an diabasete to apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno twn oswn eipa, qa diapistwsete oti den milhsa gia toys dhmosiografoys genikws. Ekana mia poly eidikh anafora. Ara, loipon, se o,ti afora thn eidikh anafora nomizw oti apantaw sto prwto erwthma sas. Se o,ti afora to deytero, den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero apo ta osa exw pei.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Soyflias shmera to prwi dhlwse oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei sth diaqesh toy ola ta stoixeia kai oles tis analyseis kai hrqe h wra na parei ikanes apofaseis. An oi apofaseis den einai anasxhmatismos, den einai ekloges, se poies apofaseis anaferetai o k. Soyflias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Den gnwrizw th dhlwsh poy moy anaferete, alla kai den qa sxoliasw tipote perissotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epanelqw sta peri diarrown gia anasxhmatismo h opoiwn allwn kinhsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Eseis afhsate toylaxiston na ennohqei, kat` eme, oti ypokryptontai kapoies skopimothtes, endexomenws eswkommatikes stis diarroes aytes peri epikeimenoy anasxhmatismoy kai ta sxetika. Einai etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den afhsa na ennohqei tipote tetoio. Kai as maqoyme epiteloys, otan kati legetai kai einai A na to ermhneyoyme ws A. Ayth toylaxiston einai h dikh moy antilhch gia ta pragmata. Ws ekproswpos, edw kai para polla xronia, sas lew ayto to opoio isxyei. H ermhneia se ayta poy sas lew, den exw afhsei pote na einai diaforetikh apo ayto poy anaferoyn sto nohma toys oi lejeis. Kai doja tw Qew h ellhnikh glwssa einai ploysia kai se lejeis kai se nohmata. Oi ermhneies, apo kei kai pera, emena me briskoyn pagera adiaforo.

KAKARNIAS: Exete apanthsei polles fores kai gia anasxhmatismo kai gia olh th fhmologia. Qewreite oti me thn ayrianh topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Kentrikh Epitroph qa doqei ena telos sta senaria apo opoy kai an proerxontai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka kai xqes kati antistoixo kai exw apanthsei.

KORAH: Ti apofaseis qa parei o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy qetete jana to idio erwthma. Exw apanthsei.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Kati pio oysiastiko einai to ejhs, kata thn apoch moy: Ean ypoqesoyme -kai ofeiloyme na to apodexqoyme ayto, afoy to lete- oti ola ayta einai diarroes sth fantasia kapoiwn, den fobaste kai eseis proswpika, alla kai h kybernhsh oti ean, as poyme, kapoioi ypoyrgoi oi opoioi den exoyn thn enhmerwsh poy exete eseis h opoiosdhpote allos kratikos ajiwmatoyxos einai omhroi se ayth th diarroologia, kapoia kommatia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy pane pisw, pagwnoyn, perimenontas ejelijeis; Giati emena moy dinetai h entypwsh, toylaxiston apo o,ti diabazw, oti kapoia pragmata exoyn pacei na leitoyrgoyn perimenontas tis ejelijeis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, den qewrw oti kapoios ypoyrgos einai omhros kapoioy, oyte fhmologiwn h diarroologiwn, opws eipate eseis. Deyteron, se o,ti afora thn oysia twn pragmatwn: Mas endiaferei h pragmatikh politikh kai ayto apodeiknyetai sthn prajh. Pragmatikh politikh einai h apoch, h apofash gia toys eidikoys logariasmoys, h opoia exei epiferei ayth thn antidrash apo mia omada ergazomenwn. Pragmatikh politikh einai kai h synexish ths ypoqeshs ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias. Pragmatikh politikh einai h ejygiansh toy OSE. Pragmatikh politikh einai h synexish, sto xroniko plaisio poy exoyme qesei, ths enopoihshs twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn. Pragmatikh politikh einai h prospaqeia antimetwpishs ths dieqnoys krisews, h opoia mas periballei, sthn oikonomia. Ayta einai pragmatikh politikh kai se ayta dinoyn apanthseis, kaqhmerina me to ergo toys, oloi oi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs. Den qa anaferqw se oloys toys tomeis, giati qa mporoysame na milhsoyme gia thn Paideia, thn Ygeia kai polloys alloys tomeis. Alla sthn pragmatikh politikh dinoyn apanthseis kaqhmerina oi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs kai synolika h kybernhsh.

TERZHS: An eseis miloysate ayrio sthn Kentrikh Epitroph ths Neas Dhmokratias, qa anaferosastan sthn pragmatikh politikh; Giati ta sxolia poy ginontai eis baros sas, epwnymws, den aforoyn to ergo sto ypoyrgeio to opoio proistaste, alla alla zhthmata, thn parapolitikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, den qa proswpopoihsw thn enhmerwsh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Deyteron, sta diafora zhthmata poy akoygontai opws eipate, exoyn doqei safeis apanthseis apo emena kai sto parelqon kai sto prosfato parelqon. Triton, se erwthseis me to ``an'', opws gnwrizete, den apantw.

KAKALHS: Pws ermhneyete th ``boytia'' kata 64% twn jenwn ependysewn sthn Ellada to 2007, par` oles tis prospaqeies poy exei kanei h kybernhsh sthn antiqesh kateyqynsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw to pososto poy lete. Qa enhmerwqw apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs kai th Deytera qa sas dwsw mia emperistatwmenh apanthsh.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs sthn epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta poy aneptyje ena jeno kanali kai megalo, to RTL, sthn ellhnikh thleoptikh agora kai sygkekrimena ston thleoptiko staqmo Alpha;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ws ypoyrgos ypeyqynos gia ton Typo, xairetizw thn eleysh enos megaloy epixeirhmatikoy omiloy, o opoios drasthriopoieitai sta MME. Allwste, ayto apotelei dikaiwsh ths politikhs filosofias, toy nomosxedioy poy eixa thn timh na eishghqw perysi sth Boylh -kai apotelei nomo toy Kratoys- symfwna me ton opoio allajan ta dedomena poy epi xronia isxyan sth xwra mas. Sas qymizw oti mexri perysi poy chfisthke o N.3592/2007 mporoyse kapoios na exei se hlektronika MME kai dh thleorash, mono mexri 25% twn posostwn ths idiokthsias. Aytos o nomos, loipon, einai poy apeleyqerwse thn agora. Einai nomos poy xairethqhke apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, apo thn Komision, kai nomos o opoios bazei thn Ellada sthn eyrwpaikh taxythta.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dyo erwthseis k. Ekproswpe, epeidh apanthsate prohgoymenws sto synadelfo oti me to ``an'' den apantate. Qa topoqethqeite eseis ayrio sthn Kentrikh Epitroph. Einai h prwth erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

PALAIOLOGOS: H deyterh einai, me aformh thn erwthsh gia ton k. Soyflia kai epeidh o k. Soyflias milhse gia ``wra apofasewn'' kai tygxanei na einai apo toys taktikoys synomilhtes, toys stenoys synergates toy Prwqypoyrgoy, jerei kati parapanw o k. Soyflias to opoio qa prepei na anamenoyme emeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den amfisbhtw thn kalh proqesh kanenos dhmosiografoy poy metexei sto briefing, alla wstoso, epeidh sto parelqon -oxi apo proqesh epanalambanw, alla apo laqos ektimhsh ths stigmhs- dhlwseis den metaferqhkan akribws. Gnwrizete poly kala oti den sxoliazw pote dhlwseis oi opoies metaferontai. Omws kai epi ths oysias, den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Meta apo ayto to diasthma poy dexeste epiqeseis, exete jekaqarisei to ejhs: Dexeste epiqeseis giati kapoioi, en pash periptwsei, gia kapoioys dikoys toys logoys qeloyn na xtyphsoyn esas h giati xtypane esas giati qeloyn na balloyn ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mpw se senariologia.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exw dyo erwthseis: Yparxoyn antartes sth Nea Dhmokratia h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H deyterh;

KORAH: Ejartatai apo thn apanthsh poy qa moy dwsete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw sto sygkekrimeno erwthma, opws tiqetai, giati opoiadhpote apanthsh dynatai na dhmioyrghsei parermhneies. Kata kairoys, omws, otan exw erwthqei sygkekrimena gia apoceis, exw milhsei gia thn kritikh h gia tis apoceis oi opoies diatypwnontai eleyqera.

KORAH: Mporw na kanw kai th deyterh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws, afoy phrate apanthsh sthn prwth.

KORAH: Loipon, oi antartes-diafwnoyntes, opws qelei o kaqenas toys apokalei, pisteyete oti bohqoyn thn kybernhsh, sthrizoyn to kybernhtiko ergo...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto parelqon.

KORAH: ...giati kati tetoio eipe o k. Prokophs Paylopoylos, xqes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto parelqon.

PALAIOLOGOS: Isxyei ayto poy grafoyn ta shmerina dhmosieymata gia to dillhma poy qa qesei ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos ``h swpainete h pame se ekloges'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan to prwto erwthma poy moy teqhke, an den qymaste, kai exw apanthsei.

Sas eyxaristw.

" Ayrio, Paraskeyh, 26/09, den qa pragmatopoihqei h enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn logw ths synedriashs ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias.

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