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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 1 Aygoystoy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 151437545

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 1 Aygoystoy 2008

Xairete kai kalo mhna.

Shmera, 1h Aygoystoy, oloklhrwqhke h prwth fash ths asfalistikhs metarryqmishs, opws akribws problepei o nomos. Eikositessera Tameia kai kladoi entassontai se pente yfistamena Tameia. Gia thn epiteyjh toy stoxoy aytoy ekdoqhkan panw apo 80 dioikhtikes prajeis poy aforoyn se katanomh porwn kai proswpikoy kai metafora arxeiwn kai ylikoy. Parallhlws, shmera anelaban ta kaqhkonta toys oi nees dioikhseis dyo Tameiwn, toy Organismoy Asfalishs Eleyqerwn Epaggelmatiwn (OAEE) kai toy Tameioy Pronoias Dhmosiwn Ypallhlwn oi opoies eklexqhkan apo tis epitropes poy problepei o nomos kai oi proedroi twn opoiwn egkriqhke h topoqethsh toys me th diadikasia toy arqroy 49a toy kanonismoy ths Boylhs. H Ypoyrgos k. Petralia, episkefqhke shmera to IKA, opoy enhmerwqhke oti h entajh twn Tameiwn me toys 250.000 asfalismenoys egine me plhrh omalothta enw parallhlws episkefqhke ton OAEE, opoy egkatesthse th nea dioikhsh. H kybernhsh oxi mono chfizei tis metarryqmiseis, tis kanei nomo toy kratoys, alla kai tis efarmozei kai malista sto xrono ston opoio exei desmeyqei.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Prin apo ligo, kyrie Ypoyrge, paraithqhke o k. Giwrgos Zormpas. Ekane kapoies dhlwseis me tis opoies epitiqetai se dyo Ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs kai ston Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy kai opws eipe, gia toys logoys ths paraithshs toy kai tis synqhkes apasxolhshs toy, exei aposteilei epistolh ston Prwqypoyrgo. Qelw na sas rwthsw an qa dwsei to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth dhmosiothta thn epistolh kai deyteron, pws sxoliazete tis dhlwseis toy prwhn Eisaggelea.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto deytero den qa pw tipota perissotero- exoyn eipwqei para polla pragmata sto plaisio ths kanonistikhs diadikasias. Den xreiazetai na prosqesw egw kati. Twra, oson afora to prwto poy me rwthsate, gnwrizete poly kala oti, otan kapoios stelnei epistolh, aytos exei kai to dikaiwma na thn dhmosiopoihsei kai oxi o paralhpths.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti ginetai me plhrh omalothta h entajh twn Tameiwn sto IKA. Wstoso, ta elleimmata twn Tameiwn poy entassontai sto IKA apo shmera, anerxontai sto 1,5 disekatommyrio eyrw. Kai epishs, to Dhmosio xrwstaei 1,1 disekatommyria eyrw apo thn ypoxrewsh poy exei gia kratikh xrhmatodothsh. Dhladh, pote ypologizetai na boyliajei kai to IKA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h ayjhsh ths xrhmatodothshs apo to Dhmosio egine epi twn hmerwn ths Neas Dhmokratias. Epi seira etwn eixan meinei ta pragmata stasima. Gnwrizete poly kala epishs, oti ta elleimmata den eginan sto mesolabon diasthma metajy ths chfisews toy nomoy kai ths efarmoghs toy, alla einai elleimmata pollwn etwn, an oxi dekaetiwn, kai gnwrizete poly kala, oti h asfalistikh metarryqmish, ena apo ta shmantika qemata ta opoia antimetwpizei, einai akribws h kalyterh diaxeirish se epipedo dioikhshs twn Tameiwn, twn xrhmatwn twn asfalismenwn.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, anaferqhkate sto Tameio twn Biotexnwn, ton OAEE. Wstoso, oi idioi kataggelloyn oti einai xreokophmeno pleon to Tameio toys kai oti ypoxrhmatodoteitai. Den qa kanete kati pros ayth thn kateyqynsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, h apanthsh poy edwsa ston k. Kakalh einai sthn kateyqynsh poy lete. Deyteron, rwthqhka kai prin apo dyo hmeres gia to idio qema kai exw dwsei apanthsh. Triton, exei ginei toso megalh syzhthsh gia ta qemata twn xrewn twn Tameiwn poy peritteyei na prosqesw to otidhpote perissotero, apo th stigmh poy gnwrizoyme oloi oti ayta ta opoia perigracate ki eseis synoptika sthn erwthsh sas, ta exei perigracei h kybernhsh, edw kai para poly kairo, kai gi` ayto kai proxwrhse se ayth thn asfalistikh metarryqmish. H mallon htan enas apo toys kyrioys logoys gia ton opoio proxwrhsame sthn asfalistikh metarryqmish.

GARGALAKOS: Kai mia allh erwthsh. Epeidh diabasa se ena dhmosieyma shmera sto BHMA, poy anaferetai se mia ypoqesh toy epixeirhmatia Fwth Manoysh, o opoios yposthrizei oti edine xrhmata, prokeimenoy ta ploia toy na analaboyn dromologia ths agonhs grammhs. Me dedomeno kai ta problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn ta nhsia mas sto zhthma twn sygkoinwniwn, qa hqela na mas peite ti jerete gi` ayth thn ypoqesh h an qelete na to sxoliasete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa pw mono dyo koybentes. Qa diabasate profanws to reportaz, oti exei prosfygei sth Dikaiosynh o idios o prwhn Ypoyrgos Aigaioy k. Paylidhs, edw kai pleon toy 1,5 etoys, kataggellontas thn ypoqesh. Kai ej aformhs ayths ths prosfyghs toy prwhn Ypoyrgoy exei jekinhsei h Dikaiosynh thn ereyna ths ypoqeshs ayths.

XIWTHS: Gia to idio qema. Wstoso, apo thn ereyna poy apokalyptei TO BHMA prokyptei oti o epixeirhmatias kataggellei oti exei dwsei xrhmatika posa ston prwhn Ypoyrgo. Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai an exete gnwsh ths sygkekrimenhs kataggelias kai deyteron, an h kybernhsh apo th stigmh poy ekkremei mia kathgoria se baros boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias, qewrei oti aytos o Boyleyths qa prepei na anejarthtopoihqei, opws egine sto parelqon me ton k. Koykodhmo h pio palia me ton k. Polyzo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai polla ta dedomena ths ypoqeshs, den qa mpw se leptomereies. Allwste, yparxei sth Dikaiosynh h ypoqesh kai h Dikaiosynh qa bgalei ta symperasmata ths kai qa odhghsei h qa dwsei se oloys mas apanthseis stis opoies apories yparxoyn. Alla, to yp` ariqmon 1 apo ta dedomena einai oti o idios o prwhn Ypoyrgos prosefyge sth Dikaiosynh gi` ayth thn ypoqesh. Ayto leei para polla.

KAKALHS: Pws apantate sto PASOK poy sas yperfalaggise apo pio fileleyqeres qeseis kai zhta na kleisoyn oi problhmatikes DEKO; H apanthsh kai h ``relans'' ths kybernhshs poia einai; As poyme na kleisei to IKA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai enas agwnas dromoy etsi opws eseis ton ennoeite. Kai en pash periptwsei, o oros poy xrhsimopoihsate -an kai den eimai poly eidikos se ayta ta qemata- einai xartopaixtikoy periexomenoy, einai xartopaixtikos oros. H kybernhsh ayto to opoio exei dhlwsei me safhneia sto programma ths -kai to dhlwnei apo tote poy h Nea Dhmokratia htan sthn antipoliteysh- einai oti xreiazetai ejygiansh twn dhmosiwn epixeirhsewn. Diapistwnoyme oti sthn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh yparxoyn fwnes oi opoies einai antiqetes kai fwnes oi opoies einai symfwnes. Den qa ekfrasw oyte thn ikanopoihsh, oyte thn enoxlhsh gia tis men h gia tis de fwnes. Qa pw mono oti qewrw shmantiko, ena komma to opoio kybernhse ton topo epi seira pollwn etwn, opws einai to PASOK kai ena komma to opoio gnwrizei ta pragmatika problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn oi dhmosies epixeirhseis, na exei fwnes oi opoies qa odhghsoyn kateyqynsh, na bohqhqei h poreia ths ejygianshs aytwn twn epixeirhsewn. Ta ypoloipa einai qemata toy PASOK. Dystyxws, h diglwssia, se para polla zhthmata sthn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, exei odhghsei se anyparjia safwn politikwn qesewn, apo thn pleyra ths.

KAKALHS: Moy epitrepete na symplhrwsw kati se ayto. Mhpws ayto einai to nohma ths dhlwshs poy eixe kanei o k. Alogoskoyfhs oti h monh ajia gia synergasia metajy kommatwn einai anamesa sth Nea Dhmokratia kai sto PASOK; Giati yparxei antikeimenikh bash, dhladh oti h symfwnia...

ROYSOPOYLOS: To pate poly makria. Exei apanthqei to qema kai apo ton k. Alogoskoyfh kai apo ton anaplhrwth moy, thn Deytera, an qymamai kala.

FRYSSA: Hqela ena sxolio sas apo tis dhlwseis poy ekane xqes sto radiofwno ths NET h k. Katselh, sxetika me tis problhmatikes, oti an einai elleimmatikes kalytera na kleisoyn kai na doyme ti qa kanoyme. Sygkekrimeno sxolio yparxei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H sobarh politikh thn opoia akoloyqei ayth h kybernhsh gia tis elleimmatikes DEKO, einai mia politikh na meiwqoyn ta elleimmata, mia politikh na mhn xaqoyn qeseis ergasias, mia politikh h opoia panw ap ola stoys Ellhnes polites qa deixnei prwton, to endiaferon ths kybernhsh gia ayta ta qemata poy epi dekaeties limnazan kai dhmioyrghsan ta problhmata poy jeroyme kai deyteron, to endiaferon ths kybernhshs gia thn apokatastash kai ths eikonas twn dhmosiwn epixeirhsewn. Einai dhladh diplo to zhthma. Prwton, na lyqoyn problhmata dekaetiwn, deyteron, na apokatastaqei h eikona twn dhmosiwn epixeirhsewn, giati oi dhmosies epixeirhseis ekteloyn koinwniko skopo, koinwniko ergo. Xreiazetai loipon na akoloyqhsoyme thn politikh kai ayto nomizw einai pasifanes se kaqe kalopisto h opoia qa bohqhsei na exoyme ta apotelesmata poy periegraca prohgoymenws.

TERZHS: Kai pali sto teleytaio sxolio sas. Yp ayth thn ennoia oti oi dhmosies epixeirhseis epiteloyn koinwniko ergo, den einai ligo adiko gi aytes, otan h kybernhsh etsi eykola leei oti o OSE, gia paradeigma, exei ekato ekatommyria esoda kai tetrakosia ekatommyria ejoda otan jerete kai eseis, logw katagwghs, oti yparxoyn syrmoi poy kanoyn koinwnika dromologia exontas enan anqrwpo mesa se pente  eji bagonia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai to dikaio h to adiko, opws anaferete sthn erwthsh sas. To qema einai oti h pragmatikothta poy perigrafei o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn k. Xatzhdakhs, den mporei na amfisbhthqei apo kanenan. Den ginetai oyte gia logoys entypwsewn, oyte gia alloys logoys. Oi Ellhnes polites prepei na gnwrizoyn thn pragmatikothta. Se o,ti afora ton koinwniko skopo, bebaiws kai epiteloyn koinwniko skopo. Gi ayto allwste gnwrizete poly kala oti toylaxiston oi dhmosies sygkoinwnies einai aytes oi opoies epidotoyntai se ena poly megalo baqmo, exontas xamhlotero eisithrio se sxesh me alles Eyrwpaikes xwres, prokeimenoy na ejyphrethqoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites kai dh oi polites ekeinoi, oi opoioi einai oligotero eyporoi prokeimenoy na mporoyn na xrhsimopoihsoyn sthn kaqhmerinothta toys, gia th doyleia toys h gia thn ejyphrethsh toys ta dhmosia Mesa Metaforwn. H prospaqeia omws poy prepei na ginei gia thn ejygiansh, einai mia prospaqeia thn opoia ofeilei kaqe sobarh kybernhsh ston Ellhna polith kai ayto kanoyme.

XIWTHS: Qewrei o Prwqypoyrgos, k. Ypoyrge, oti yparxei mhnyma dysareskeias h diamartyrias h otidhpote allo sthn apoysia kapoiwn boyleytwn xqes apo to deipno poy pareqese ston Peiraia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti exei kalyfqei to qema apo xqes poy rwthqhka. H apanthsh pantws, gia na mhn fanei oti ypekfeygw, einai oxi.

XIWTHS: Den yparxei kanena mhnyma dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwthsate an qewrei o Prwqypoyrgos. Sas eipa oxi, den qewrei o Prwqypoyrgos.

XIWTHS: Mporw na sas rwthsw kai kati allo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oti qelete.

XIWTHS: Einai ikanopoihmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo tis apoceis poy akoyse xqes, apo toys boyleytes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete den dhlwnw pote thn ikanopoihsh h th dysareskeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy se kanena qema. Htan mia para poly endiaferoysa synanthsh gia ton Prwqypoyrgo kai Arxhgo ths Neas Dhmokratias kai gia toys boyleytes, melh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas kai melh toy prwtoy kai deyteroy qerinoy tmhmatos ths Boylhs. Qa elega endiaferoysa kai epoikodomhtikh.

KOTTARIDHS: Sas anhsyxei to endexomeno apo to fqinopwro na yparxoyn entones kai dynamikes kinhtopoihseis sto xwro ths Paideias meta kai tis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Alabanoy oti ``qa tribete ta matia sas'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti o k. Alabanos me tis xqesines dhlwseis toy ofeilei na ejhghsei stoys Ellhnes polites ti akribws ennoei, dioti tetoies dhlwseis dynantai na ypokinhsoyn antidraseis oi opoies na jefeygoyn twn oriwn ths Koinoboyleytikhs Dhmokratias.

KAKALHS: Ti ennoeite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennow dhladh, epeisodia stoys dromoys ta opoia na einai antistoixa me epeisodia poy exoyme dei kai alles fores sto parelqon. Otan mia politikh dynamh kanei tetoies dhlwseis dia toy arxhgoy ths, antilambaneste poly kala oti h anataraxh thn opoia dhmioyrgei se politiko epipedo, einai mia anataraxh poy mporei na odhghqei kai se epipedo antiparaqeshs stoys dromoys me toys opoioys qelhsoyn na diadhlwsoyn. H dhlwsh, loipon, toy k. Alabanoy einai, kata thn gnwmh moy, epikindynh.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete aytes tis mazikes agores akinhtwn apo melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy to 2006;To miso Ypoyrgiko Symboylio agorase akinhta. Mhpws eixan pesei oi times to 2006 h einai mia synhqhs praktikh poy ginetai kaqe xrono;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan anafereste se mia sygkekrimenh xronia kai katalhgete thn erwthsh sas an ginetai kaqe xrono, antilambaneste oti exei mia aytoanairesh h idia h erwthsh. Se kaqe periptwsh, to poqen esxes twn politikwn proswpwn einai dhmosio. O kaqenas mporei na sygkrinei, giati ta poqen esxes einai dhmosia edw kai para polla xronia, kai na krinei.

KAKALHS: Tis eykairies gia agores akinhtwn stis Kyklades, pws tis entopizete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Alla nomizw oti prospaqeite na dhmioyrghsete mia entypwsh, h opoia mallon apajiwnei ton politiko kosmo, synolika, ths xwras. Se kaqe periptwsh, epanalambanw oti to poqen esxes toy politikoy kosmoy ths xwras -kai milw gia oloys toys boyleytes paroti egw den eimai ekproswpos twn allwn kommatwn ths Neas Dhmokratias poy kybernaei eimai ekproswpos- einai poqen esxes jekaqaro, poqen esxes poy elegxetai. Makari na eixe proxwrhsei ayto, to opoio, h Nea Dhmokratia proteine ws kybernhsh kai dystyxws kanena komma ths antipoliteyshs de synainese. Sas qymizw poly kala oti otan yparxei endiaferon sta logia, qa prepei na apodeiknyetai kai sthn prajh. An, dhladh, ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs eixan synainesei wste o elegxos twn poqen esxes kai genikotera toy politikoy xrhmatos twn kommatwn na ginetai apo to Anwtato Dikasthrio, opws proteiname sth Syntagmatikh Anaqewrhsh, erwthmata san ayto poy kanate shmera eseis h san ayta poy qa egerqoyn me maqhmatikh akribeia kai ta epomena xronia, den qa yphrxan. Antilambaneste, loipon, oti h symmetoxh ths antipoliteyshs se mia diadikasia h opoia apetrece apo to na ginei o elegxos endelexesteros gia ta oikonomika twn politikwn kai twn kommatwn, einai ena qema, to opoio qa prepei na problhmatisei kaqe sobara skeptomeno Ellhna polith. H Nea Dhmokratia ws kybernhsh proteine jekaqara: Elegxos twn oikonomikwn twn kommatwn apo anejarthth Arxh, apo Anwtato Dikasthrio, to Elegktiko Synedrio. Dystyxws h antipoliteysh den synainese.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, mia dieykrinish. Den einai stis proqeseis moy, oyte xreiazetai na apajiwsw to politiko proswpiko-nomizw kai mono toy se megalo baqmo ta katafernei-alla hqela na qesw to ejhs erwthma: Einai ayqaireto to symperasma, opws prokyptei apo to poqen esxes, oti oi politikoi proerxontai apo toys exontes kai katexontes, zoyn ws ploysioi kai skeftontai kai energoyn sthn politikh gia xarh twn ploysiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ayqaireto to symperasma oti h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, afoy perilambanei h erwthsh sas kai ayto, skeptetai kai dra etsi opws anaferate. Den jerw ti kanoyn politikoi allwn kommatwn. Egw, se kaqe periptwsh, qewrw oti h apajiwsh toy politikoy systhmatos einai epikindynh gia ton topo.

KAKALHS: Ena metro poy phre h kybernhsh, poy eqije ta symferonta twn ploysiwn, mporeite na moy peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti parakoloyqeite epi tesseramisi xronia me poly kalh antilhch, ta osa symbainoyn se nomoqetiko epipedo, se epipedo apofasewn ths kybernhshs, gia qemata poy aforoyn thn oikonomia, tis epixeirhseis, genikotera thn agora. Ara, loipon, an mesa s ola ayta den exete brei kati eseis, foboymai oti den qa mporesw na sas peisw ki egw pote.

KAKALHS: Xarh zhtaw, na moy peite ena.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh xarh exete na moy zhthsete;

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo kalokairi. Kales diakopes.

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