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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 2 Ioylioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 145888831

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 2 Ioylioy 2008

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa arxisoyme me thn periptwsh toy ypoyrgoy poy tajidece sth Leicia gia mia ebdomada. Exoyme gnwsh kai ths dhlwshs-anakoinwshs toy ypoyrgoy. Esas, ws Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo, sas kalyptei ws apanthsh h dhlwsh toy k. Liaph, se sxesh me ayta poy toy katalogizei shmera to prwtoselido ths ``Eleyqerotypias'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai. Kai o,ti eixa na pw gi` ayth thn ypoqesh, to eipa kai xqes kai proxqes. To eipe shmera kai o Ypoyrgos Politismoy o k. Liaphs me th dhlwsh toy. Den qa prosqesw tipote perissotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sygnwmh, sas kalyptei kai gia to shmerino dhmosieyma; Ayth einai h erwthsh moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katalaba thn erwthsh sas.

KORAH: Sxetika parastatika qa kataqesei o k. Liaphs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipote perissotero gi` ayth thn ypoqesh.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: O k. Liaphs synexizei na xairei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka apo ton k. Palaiologo, sthn prwth erwthsh, me allo tropo, kai exw hdh apanthsei.

ROYMELIWTHS: Ti allaje apo xqes mexri shmera kai ebgale ayth thn anakoinwsh o k. Liaphs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sas apanthsw ti allaje apo xqes mexri shmera. Qewrw oti ta osa sas eipa xqes apotypwnoyn plhrws to klima, to opoio exei diamorfwqei. O k. Liaphs exei kanei mia safh dhlwsh. Einai h prwth fora poy anaferqhke to onoma toy, allwste, epishmws tis teleytaies hmeres, opoy ginetai mia prospaqeia kapoiwn, me fhmes, na dhmioyrghsoyn klima. Einai toso safhs h dhlwsh toy, wste den xreiazetai egw na prosqesw tipote perissotero.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia ton ypoyrgo poy anaferei shmera h ``Eleyqerotypia'', yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, kanena sxolio.

GKOYTZANHS: Jerete poios einai; Qa to diereynhsete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati perissotero.

GKOYTZANHS: Sas endiaferei esas...

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ereyna exei ginei mexri twra gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai den exei apodeijei oti yparxei ypoyrgos, o opoios na exei tajidecei me ton tropo poy anaferetai stis fhmes kai sto dhmosieyma.

GKOYTZANHS: Ennoeite oti anaferontai oi fhmes kai to dhmosieyma ston idio ypoyrgo, giati egw rwthsa gia ypoyrgo. Epeidh den yparxei to onoma toy shmera...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto apanthsa kai egw.

GKOYTZANHS: Eseis ennoeite oti oi fhmes aforoyn ton idio ypoyrgo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apanthsa ayto. Me rwtoysate epi hmeres ean exw kanei ereyna, ean yparxei kapoios ypoyrgos poy na tajidece etsi.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, lew gia to shmerino. Epeidh einai kainoyrgia stoixeia...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw thn erwthsh poy ginotan epi hmeres. Kata synepeia, loipon, apo th stigmh poy eixa erwthqei ean exei ginei ereyna, exw apanthsei ean exei ginei ereyna. Kai exw apanthsei, oxi gia ena proswpo, alla genikws. Den prokyptei kati perissotero.

GKOYTZANHS: Mhpws mporei na mas peite pws egine h ereyna;

XIWTHS: Pisteyete, kyrie Ypoyrge, oti o k. Liaphs yioqetei logikes toy Mesaiwna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite;

XIWTHS: Xqes, eipate oti einai logikh toy Mesaiwna na prospaqei kapoios h h kybernhsh na apodeijei thn aqwothta toy, otan kapoioi alloi poy ton kataggelloyn sto paraskhnio, den mporoyn na apodeijoyn thn enoxh toy. Shmera, loipon, kanei o k. Liaphs ayto poy den ekane xqes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katalhgei etsi th dhlwsh toy, an th diabasete kala.

XIWTHS: Nai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa diapistwsete, loipon, oti aporriptei aytes tis logikes.

XIWTHS: Wstoso, kanei ayto poy den ekane xqes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: Katalhgontas th dhlwsh toy, aporriptei aytes tis logikes. Twra, bebaiws, moy qymizei mia paroimia -mias kai xqes xrhsimopoihsa epishs mia paroimia na apanthsw ston ekproswpo toy PASOK- h topoqethsh sas: ``Sto tsoybali den xwrei, sto sakoyli perisseyei''. Thn exete akoysei;

XIWTHS: Nai, to exw akoysei...

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti kai na pei kapoios...

XIWTHS: Alla, gia poion isxyei kyrie Ypoyrge;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti kai na pei kapoios, otan brisketai sthn politikh, qa symbainei pantote, me thn idia eykolia, na yposthrixqei to entelws antiqeto apo ayto poy eixe yposthrixqei ligo nwritera. Apo ton apenanti toy ennow, oxi apo ton politiko...

XIWTHS: Ayto, dhladh, gia poion isxyei twra; Gia ton k. Abramopoylo;

KORAH: Qa hqela na qesw dyo erwthseis. H prwth: En agnoia toy k. Liaph egine olo ayto to programma apo thn etaireia Siemens;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite; Oti mia polyeqnikh etaireia enhmerwnei ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs, ti qa kanei, an qa paei tajidia klp, me stelexh h me filoys ths; Den katalabainw to erwthma sas.

KORAH: Oxi. Diabasate to dhmosieyma ths ``Eleyqerotypias'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: To diabasa, kai qewrw oti apanta me safhneia h shmerinh dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Politismoy.

KORAH: En agnoia toy, dhladh, h sygkekrimenh etaireia eftiaje oloklhro programma kai pws qa metakinhqoyn, ti qa kanei o Ypoyrgos poy parakoloyqhse toys agwnes. Kai en prokeimenw einai monon o k. Liaphs, den yphrxe allos ypoyrgos, to exei deijei to reportaz. Den rwthqhke kaqoloy, aplws eipan sth Siemens ``na ftiajoyme ena programma, na yparxei etsi ki alliws, an tyxon tajidecei enas ypoyrgos'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na gnwrizw. Nomizw oti exete th dynatothta ws dhmosiografos, na rwthsete toys anqrwpoys oi opoioi eftiajan ayto to programma kai na parete tis apanthseis sas. Se o,ti afora thn kybernhsh, yparxoyn dikes moy xqes kai proxqes dhlwseis kai shmera kai h dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Politismoy.

KORAH: Kai deyterh erwthsh moy: O k. Liaphs skeftetai na mhnysei kai thn etaireia Siemens poy eftiaje ayto to programma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw. O k. Liaphs exei kanei mia dhlwsh, sthn opoia anaferei oti qa prosfygei sth Dikaiosynh.

KAKALHS: Yioqetei h kybernhsh thn ektimhsh toy k. Liaph, oti askeitai politikh tromokratia; Kai apo poion askeitai ayth h politikh tromokratia; Mhpws apo tis apokalyceis ths ``Eleyqerotypias'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh o,ti eixe na pei, to eipe xqes. Kai htan ektenes kai safes.

KAKALHS: Gia thn politikh tromokratia eidika hqela thn apanthsh sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: H kybernhsh o,ti eixe na pei, to eipe xqes kai htan ektenes kai safes.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sto plaisio ths ereynas poy kanate eseis, oxi an qa dwsei o k. Liaphs ta parastatika sth dhmosiothta, ta exei proskomisei sto plaisio ths ereynas poy ekane to Megaro Majimoy, gia to poios ypoyrgos htan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na pw gi` ayth thn ypoqesh, to eipa.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sthn ypoqesh twn ``koymparwn'', h kybernhsh mas edeixne tis xeiropedes poy eixan perastei tote ston Anagnwstopoylo. Mhpws twra mporei na mas ejhghsei giati den exoyn perastei oi xeiropedes ston k. Xristoforako, poy einai o basikos ypoptos ayths ths ypoqeshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai h Dikaiosynh ayth poy apofasizei...

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh mas edeixne tis xeiropedes tote, kai eseis apo edw kai o Grammateas...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti einai h Dikaiosynh ayth poy apofasizei. Den apofasizei h kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete.

GKOYTZANHS: Sas eipa oti sthn ypoqesh twn ``koymparwn'' kai eseis kai o Grammateas toy Kommatos, o k. Zagoriths, mas deixnate tis xeiropedes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy exw na sas deijw, loipon, einai oti para th lyssalea prospaqeia, apo orismenoys, na qewrhqei oti ginetai sto paraskhnio kati poy qa koykoylwsei thn ypoqesh, blepete oti diarkws h Dikaiosynh leitoyrgei kai bgazei sth dhmosiothta h sthn ereyna ths diafora qemata, ta opoia einai para poly endiaferonta. Kai anarwtiemai alhqeia -giati to akoysa polles fores kai apo ton ekproswpo toy PASOK ayto, to peri koykoylwmatos, kai apo alla stelexh- ti akribws einai ayto gia to opoio mas kathgoroyn; Ti na koykoylwsoyme; Giati mexri stigmhs, ayto to opoio exei, me safhneia, fanei apo dhlwsh toy idioy, einai oti ychlobaqmo stelexos toy PASOK dhlwse oti to komma toy phre 1 ekatommyrio marka. Ayto mas kaloyn na koykoylwsoyme h ayto mas kathgoroyn oti koykoylwnoyme; Exei dhladh mia antifash to qema etsi opws topoqeteitai apo thn pleyra ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

GKOYTZANHS: Pantws apo thn pleyra toy Typoy, etsi opws topoqeteitai, einai oti koykoylwnetai giati den ftanei sta fysika proswpa ta opoia phran ta xrhmata kai ti ta ekanan. Ayto den exei apanthqei apo th Dikaiosynh, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti den qa milhsw gia th Dikaiosynh kai fysika den eimai ekproswpos ths Dikaiosynhs. Alla, stoixeiwdh empeiria na exei kapoios sta nomika pragmata kai xwris na exei spoydasei Nomikh, gnwrizei para poly kala oti to stadio ths kyrias anakrishs dieyrynei toys orizontes ths ereynas. Aytoi, loipon, oi opoioi me perissh ypokrisia miloyn gia koykoylwma, gnwrizoyn poly kala oti sthn kyria anakrish dieyrynontai oi orizontes ths ereynas, yparxoyn megalytera periqwria, yparxei isxyrotero nomiko oplostasio ap oti sto stadio ths proanakrishs. Kai pairnw aformh apo ayto, gia na pw oti xqes, egine mia dhlwsh apo ton Ekproswpo Typoy toy PASOK, o opoios milhse gia ``aron- aron kleisimo ths ypoqeshs''. Deite, loipon, thn ypokrisia anaglyfh: Stis 23 Ioynioy toy 2008 o prwhn Proedros ths Boylhs kai ychlobaqmo stelexos toy PASOK milhse se synenteyjh toy sthn ELEYQEROTYPIA gia ``adikaiologhth kaqysterhsh sthn ereyna'' kai sth synexeia se allh erwthsh eipe oti ``gennwntai sobares amfibolies gia ton skopo ths makrosyrths eisaggelikhs ereynas''. Ayth einai h dhlwsh toy prwhn Proedroy ths Boylhs kai ychlobaqmoy stelexoys toy PASOK stis 23/06 sthn ELEYQEROTYPIA. Stis 24/06 sto ALPHA RADIO, o koinoboyleytikos ekproswpos toy PASOK, anaplhrwths nomizw, o k. Papoytshs leei arxikws oti h ypoqesh prepei na anateqei se kanoniko, se taktiko anakrith kai se erwthsh toy dhmosiografoy k. Mpamph Papapanagiwtoy apanta: ``Qewrw oti h ellhnikh Dikaiosynh exei kaqysterhsei para poly th diereynhsh ayths ths ypoqeshs, dedomenoy oti apo ton Ioylio toy 2007 exoyn sta xeria toys olh th dikografia ths germanikhs Dikaiosynhs'' klp. Mporeite na anatrejete, den to diabazw gia logoys oikonomias xronoy. Deyterh dhlwsh, loipon, ychlobaqmoy stelexoys toy PASOK oti exei kaqysterhsei h Dikaiosynh. Trith dhlwsh, thn 01/07, dhladh xqes, sto radiofwno toy ANT1, sto opoio edwse synenteyjh o Ekproswpos toy PASOK k. Papakwnstantinoy. Eipe, loipon, metajy allwn, kai mporeite na to breite sto site toy PASOK, apo ekei einai allwste ola ayta ta stoixeia: ``Symfwna me th nomoqesia mia proanakritikh diadikasia krataei tesseris mhnes me dikaiwma na paei stoys oktw. Edw, exoyme, oxi aplws, jeperasei toys oktw mhnes, exoyme jeperasei ton diplasio xrono''. Ayta eipwqhkan apo ton k. Papakwnstantinoy. To meshmeri ths idias hmeras, xqes, o k. Papakwnstantinoy stis ekteneis dhlwseis poy ekane epitiqemenos sthn kybernhsh kai sth Dikaiosynh, anaferei oti: ``O armodios Eisaggeleas epilegei na kleisei thn ypoqesh aron aron''. Epilegei na kleisei aron aron thn ypoqesh th stigmh poy diafainontai eyqynes, leei, gia ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs. To diabazw oloklhro gia na mhn qewrhqei oti ekoca kapoio kommati. Diapistwnoyme, loipon, oti se ayto to komma yparxei afenos men sygxysh logwn kai ergwn, afeteroy h antilhch oti oi Ellhnes polites exoyn mnhmh xrysocaroy. Oti dhladh, den qymomaste ti leme tis teleytaies pente hmeres. Tis teleytaies pente hmeres exoyme ena komma to opoio kathgorei thn kybernhsh kai th Dikaiosynh -kai milaw ek meroys ths kybernhshs pia edw- oti kaqysterei na ginei h ereyna kai kati krybetai pisw apo ayto, koykoylwma, sas milhsa prohgoymenws gia ti koykoylwma. Kai erxetai thn idia hmera o Ekproswpos Typoy toy PASOK to prwi na leei oti yparxei kaqysterhsh kai to meshmeri na leei oti aron aron paei na kleisei mia ypoqesh. Kai epishmainw aplws gia toys mh gnwrizontes ayto poy eipa kai sthn arxh: Kamia ypoqesh den kleinei. Yparxei ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs h opoia synexizetai sthn kyria anakrish, h opoia kyria anakrish, apo thn empeiria olwn twn nomikwn poy qa rwthsete, dieyrynei to nomiko oplostasio toy dikasth poy analambanei thn kyria anakrish.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Diaceydei h kybernhsh oti sto tajidi toy o k. Liaphs mporei na eixe kapoia synanthsh me ton k. Xristoforako;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero gia thn ypoqesh.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Giati tiqetai ena qema hqikhs se ayto. An yphrje synanthsh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei telos ayto to opoio jekinhse. Thn apoch moy th gnwrizete, thn anefera xqes me poly analytiko tropo kai pisteyw oti einai safhs se oloys. Exei kanei mia dhlwsh shmera o Ypoyrgos k. Liaphs. Den qa pw tipota perissotero gi ayto to qema.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Ean exei yparjei, loipon, synanthsh einai mempto to oti o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn, ekeinh thn periodo, eixe synanthqei se tajidi anacyxhs me ton k. Xristoforako, o opoios einai kai promhqeyths ylikoy ths SIEMENS ston OTE; Den yparxei ena zhthma se ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh, pollaplws, se ayth thn erwthsh.

ROYMELIWTHS: Gnwrizete ean o k. Liaphs qa kinhqei, sto plaisio toy nomoy, enantion kai toy k. Karatzaferh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw. Anaferei sth dhlwsh toy ayto to opoio qelei na anaferei. Fantazomai otan qelhsei o idios na pei kapoia pragmata perissotera, qa ta pei.

KORAH: Prin apo ligo mas eipate oti h Dikaiosynh sthn ypoqesh ths SIEMENS exei bgalei, mexri stigmhs, polla endiaferonta qemata. Swsta to qymamai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw milhsei gi ayto, opws qymaste, thn perasmenh ebdomada, legontas oti toso h Dikaiosynh, oso kai h dhmosiografikh ereyna, eite prwtogenhs eite deyterogenhs  prwtogenhs gia ta stoixeia ta opoia den exoyn janadei to fws ths dhmosiothtas apo thn arxh toy qematos, deyterogenhs dioti metaferontai plhrofories apo thn ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs- exei dwsei polla kai endiaferonta stoixeia.

KORAH: Poly xrhsimh h parathrhsh poy kanate, giati ekei hqela kai egw na katalhjw: Ta mona poy exei bgalei h Dikaiosynh htan treis dhlwseis. Kai aytes oi epishmes dhlwseis -kai ths Eisaggelias- htan oti den anameignyontai politika proswpa, oti einai aqwos o k. Berelhs, oti kanena mikro komma den yparxei. Ayto hqela aplws na sas qymisw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti ypainisseste. Egw qewrw oti einai pantote epikindyno kapoios na epitiqetai sth Dikaiosynh. Kai to ejhgw: H epiqesh sth Dikaiosynh...

KORAH: Den kanoyme epiqesh. Amfisbhteite ayta ta opoia lew; Den exoyn ginei, san sygkekrimenes energeies ths Dikaiosynhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasa proxqes oti den egine erwthsh apo to dikastiko leitoyrgo, ton eisaggelea, sth grammatea toy k. Xristoforakoy. To diabasa.

KORAH: Oxi. An eixate diabasei me prosoxh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: To diabasa kai diabasa thn epomenh hmera...

KORAH: Oxi. An eixate diabasei me prosoxh, qa blepate oti den epemeine.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai diabasa thn epomenh hmera oti egine erwthsh.

KORAH: Oxi. Thn idia mera exw gracei kai egw -oles aytes tis hmeres- kai mporw na sas bebaiwsw oti qymamai poly kala.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw epanalambanw oti den eimai ekproswpos ths Dikaiosynhs. Qewrw oti kapoios mporei na krinei toys pantes, qewrw oti mporei na pei otidhpote qelei enas eleyqeros poliths kai enas eleyqeros dhmosiografos, sebomenos toys qesmoys. Ayto einai kati to opoio exw ekfrasei me kaqe tropo. Den qa eirwneyqw toys qesmoys kai den qa dexqw, bebaiws, kai na apanthsw se erwthsh h opoia eirwneyetai toys qesmoys. Giati einai profanes kai safes, se enan parathrhth sthn aiqoysa, oti h erwthsh sas eirwneyetai to qesmo ths Dikaiosynhs.

KORAH: Giati einai eirwnikh k. Ypoyrge; Den to katalabainw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw den symmetexw se ayth th diadikasia k. Korah.

KORAH: Moy lete oti ebgale h Dikaiosynh endiaferonta qemata. Kai symfwnw mazi sas, me olh sas th dhlwsh, oti ta qemata kyriws exoyn bgei apo th dhmosiografikh ereyna kai oi dhmosies dhlwseis -kai an qelete ayto mporei na entassetai mesa sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias ths Dikaiosynhs- htan treis. Kai oi treis aforoysan oti den exoyn kamia sxesh politika proswpa h qemata. Ayto hqela na prosqesw. Giati einai eirwniko ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To erwthma sas poio einai; Na pistopoihsw egw ean exoyn bgei anakoinwseis -kai poies- apo th Dikaiosynh;

KORAH: Oxi. Ean ennooysate kapoia endiaferonta qemata alla, ta opoia egw den exw katalabei. Me ayth thn ennoia sas to eqesa to erwthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanelaba sthn apanthsh moy ayto to opoio eipa kai prin apo mia ebdomada, milwntas gia thn parallhlh ereyna, prwtogenh kai deyterogenh, opws thn orisa shmera. Kata synepeia, menw sthn apoch thn opoia ejefrasa kai se ekeinh thn prwth erwthsh kai sthn parathrhsh poy ekana sth synexeia.

KAKALHS: Dyo erwthseis, an moy epitrepete. Exei meinei anapanthto to erwthma me ta parastatika. Qa ta dwsei sth dhmosiothta o ypoyrgos; Ta exei dei h kybernhsh; Ti ginetai me ayta ta parastatika; Qa paramenei kati poy qa yperiptatai ths politikhs skhnhs, xwris na ta exei dei kaneis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H dhlwsh toy k. Liaph, epanalambanw, katalhgei me mia poly sygkekrimenh apostrofh, thn opoia opoios diabasei, nomizw oti qa katanohsei plhrws to nohma toy ti qa symbei apo edw kai pera.

KAKALHS: Kai mia deyterh erwthsh. Epeidh moy eipate gia mnhmh, oti o ellhnikos laos den exei mnhmh xrysocaroy, egw hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: O ellhnikos laos, epishs, den exei maqei poios exei kanei tis ypoklopes, den exei maqei ti egine me th lhsteia twn domhmenwn omologwn kai apo o,ti fainetai den qa maqei kai poioi phran tis mizes ths Siemens. Mhpws yparxei kamia aorath dynamh poy yponomeyei thn kybernhsh poy to akribws antiqeto qelei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora ta omologa, gnwrizete oti exei yparjei dikastikh ereyna. Yparxei kai ypodeijh sygkekrimenwn proswpwn ta opoia symmeteixan se ayto. Den eimai se qesh na pw me bebaiothta twra, alla qa to ereynhsw kai qa to doyme ayrio, ean exei profylakistei kai kapoios. Ayto qa to dw. Den to qymamai. Se kaqe periptwsh, h ereyna gia ta omologa synexizetai kai gnwrizete para poly kala  qa jananoijoyme mia istoria thn opoia exoyme syzhthsei epi polles wres se ayth thn aiqoysa- pws o,ti bghke sthn ypoqesh twn omologwn, bghke apo tis prwtoboylies poy jekinhse h kybernhsh. Pragma to opoio spaniws, ean oxi pote, den eixame dei sto parelqon. Se o,ti afora tis ypoklopes, qelw na shmeiwsw gia mia akomh fora oti thlefwna toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ypoyrgwn ths shmerinhs kybernhshs h stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias htan ayta poy parakoloyqoynto. Qewrw, loipon, oti opoiadhpote prospaqeia  kai ayto to kanei epanalambanontas kata kairoys tis omilies toy o arxhgos ths antipoliteyshs- na taytistei h ypoqesh ``ypoklopes'' me skandalo poy sxetizetai me thn kybernhsh h poy jekinhse, poly perissotero, apo thn kybernhsh  giati ayto ypainissetai stis omilies toy- einai mia prospaqeia poy sthrizetai sth basikh arxh me thn epanalhch ``lege, lege, kati qa meinei'', alla poy den exei kamia bash. Den anaferate sthn erwthsh sas to skandalo Zaxopoyloy. 'H to jexasate h aplws den yphrje.

KAKALHS: Gia na mhn epibarynw th qesh sas den to anefera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati, epishs, akoysame para polles fores gia ``skandalo Zaxopoyloy''. Kai den brhkame kapoio skandalo sthn ypoqesh toy Zaxopoyloy, oikonomikhs fysews to opoio na anaferotan se prwtoselida. Sas qymizw oti oi prwtes plhrofories poy dhmosiopoihqhkan, miloysan gia para polla xrhmata ta opoia dhqen ypejaireqhkan apo ton tote geniko grammatea toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy. Se o,ti afora th shmerinh ypoqesh, gnwrizete poly kala oti apo thn prwth stigmh, to Dekembrio toy 2006, dia toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, h kybernhsh edwse thn arwgh ths sth germanikh kai thn ellhnikh Dikaiosynh. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti afoy oloklhrwqhke h prokatarktikh ejetash, pame sthn kyria anakrish, synexizetai h ereyna kai apo th germanikh Dikaiosynh, antallassontai oi plhrofories metajy twn dikastikwn arxwn ths germanikhs Dikaiosynhs kai ths ellhnikhs. Exei zhthqei apo ayta poy diabazw, toylaxiston apo th dhmosiografikh ereyna -thn opoia einai h trith fora poy qa anaferw sth diarkeia twn teleytaiwn ebdomadwn ejarontas thn, opws jerete, se ena poly megalo pososto- gia anoigma logariasmwn k.o.k. Poy blepete, loipon, eseis prospaqeia siwphs; Den yparxei.

GKOYTZANHS: Sas qymizw oti mono sthn ypoqesh Zaxopoyloy exei deijei spoydh h Dikaiosynh kai exei kleisei mesa anqrwpoys kai malista oti h Tsekoy einai mesa eji mhnes. Sthn ypoqesh ths Siemens, to ereyna apo ton Ioylio toy 2007 kai den exei paei mesa oyte kan o kyrios ypeyqynos, o opoios mporei na kineitai eleyqera kai na krybei stoixeia, k. Ekproswpe. Den einai etsi, toso apla.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete oti egw den krinw dikastikoys leitoyrgoys h eisaggelikoys leitoyrgoys. Kati tetoio, einai jeno sth filosofia moy. Sebomai to qesmo.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, twra poy oloklhrwqhke h prwth fash, oloklhrwse thn ereyna toy o k. Aqanasioy, qa ginei Ejetastikh; Pote qa ginei h Ejetastikh, thn opoia exoyn zhthsei ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipote perissotero apo ta osa eipa xqes kai exei pei kai o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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