Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-06-02

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 2 Ioynioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 140543269

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 2 Ioynioy 2008

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, shmera, stis 18.30, qa parastei kai qa apeyqynei xairetismo sta egkainia ths Dieqnoys Naytiliakhs Ekqeshs ``Poseidwnia 2008'', sto Ekqesiako Kentro Ellhnikoy.

" Ayrio stis 11.00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ROYMELIWTHS: O k. Gkroyefski, o opoios proeklogika epaije dynata, qa legame, to eqnikistiko xarti sta Skopia, katafere na kerdisei tis ekloges kai malista me aytodynamia. Ayto, pisteyei h ellhnikh kybernhsh oti mporei na ephreasei tis diaboyleyseis poy ginontai gia thn onomasia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinw sth dhlwsh poy ekane prin apo ligo o Ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Den qa prosqesw tipote perissotero. An den thn exete parei, qa thn parete.

STAQOPOYLOS: Gia thn Paideia. O Alekos Alabanos, shmera, milwntas sth NET, eipe oysiastika oti h kybernhsh einai ekeinh poy pyrodotei th bia sta Panepisthmia. Eipe, epishs, logw twn emprhstikwn dhlwsewn poy exei kanei, opws eipe o k. Alabanos, o Ypoyrgos Paideias, oti einai kata ths bias, alla yper toy kinhmatos sta panepisthmia. Ena sxolio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio. Exei apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh thn Paraskeyh.

KAKALHS: Mias kai eimaste sto qema ths Paideias, exete kapoia ektimhsh giati oi foithtes exoyn gyrisei tis plates toys sthn anadeijh twn prytanikwn eklogwn kai h symmetoxh toys einai poly pio katw apo tis foithtikes ekloges; Na sas anaferw, gia paradeigma, orismena stoixeia: Sto Panepisthmio Peiraia chfisan 700 foithtes, enw stis foithtikes ekloges chfizoyn 5.000 foithtes. Sta TEI ths Aqhnas chfisan 1.300 stis prytanikes ekloges, enw chfizoyn 11.000 stis foithtikes ekloges. Analoga einai kai ta stoixeia kai se alla idrymata poy eginan prytanikes ekloges. Exete kapoia ektimhsh, giati exoyn gyrisei thn plath toys oi foithtes se aytes tis ekloges;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw toys akribeis ariqmoys. Den amfisbhtw ayta poy moy lete, alla den gnwrizw toys akribeis ariqmoys. Qa kanw mono dyo parathrhseis: Prwton, efarmozetai h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, h opoia problepei thn eyryterh dynath symmetoxh, dhladh mporei na chfisoyn oloi oi foithtes. Den exei janaginei tetoioy eidoys dhmokratikh kinhsh sta panepisthmia, se o,ti afora thn eklogh twn prytanikwn Arxwn. Gnwrizete oti me bash to neo nomo, to nomo poy efere h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish ths Neas Dhmokratias, mporoyn na chfizoyn pia oloi oi foithtes. Deyteron, qelw na parathrhsw oti apo tis 17 sxoles -ek twn opoiwn oi 14 einai sta TEI kai oi treis einai se anwtato panepisthmiako epipedo- mono se mia h dyo den exoyn oloklhrwqei akomh oi diadikasies. Se oles tis ypoloipes exoyn oloklhrwqei omala, para tis antidraseis twn oligwn, pragma poy shmainei oti h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish exei arxisei kai efarmozetai yper toy dhmosioy panepisthmioy kai fysika ths Dhmokratias.

KAKALHS: Ayto sas endiaferei, dhladh, mono apla na oloklhrwqoyn, anejarthta apo th symmetoxh kai par` ola ayta omnyete sto dikaiwma ths kaqolikhs chfoforias...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti qa eixe kapoios na pei polla, ean h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish periorize ton ariqmo twn oswn mporoyn na symmetexoyn gia na chfisoyn. Otan ton ayjanei, otan dhladh enw mexri protinos chfizan ligoi ekproswpoi twn paratajewn kai twra mporei na chfisei o kaqe foithths, otan dhladh h Dhmokratia ginetai pleria, opws legame palia, antilambaneste, an mh ti allo, oti einai poly periergo kapoioi na antidroyn, dioti h bash toy eklogikoy swmatos dieyrynetai. Kai oso dieyrynetai h bash toy eklogikoy swmatos, toso dieyrynetai h Dhmokratia. Endexomenws, kapoioi qa protimoysan na exoyme mikrotero eklogiko swma sta panepisthmia, den jerw gia poioys logoys. Den einai ths paroyshs na to poyme, exei eipwqei, otan syzhthqhke h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish kai edw kai sth Boylh kai alloy. Pantws, einai bebaio oti ayth th stigmh, se oses sxoles eginan oi ekloges (plhn twn dyo poy sas eipa kai poy pisteyw oti qa oloklhrwqoyn syntoma oi eklogikes diadikasies), exoyn proxwrhsei ola para poly kala.

KAKALHS: H k. Mpakogiannh yioqetei thn apoch oti to koinotiko dikaio yperisxyei toy eqnikoy kai toy Syntagmatos kai ara, mesa apo ayth th diadikasia mporei na idryqoyn ta idiwtika panepisthmia. Einai h epishmh qesh ths kybernhshs ayth h qesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na kanw kapoio sxolio. Einai ena qema to opoio exei syzhthqei para polles fores. Gnwrizete kai tis aformes gia tis opoies exei syzhthqei. Malista, ej oswn eimai bebaios oti gnwrizete, yparxei ayth th stigmh se ejelijh kai mia ypoqesh sto Dikasthrio Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn sxetika me to basiko metoxo, opoy to yp` ariqmon ena zhthma poy tiqetai, einai ayto. Exoyme topoqethqei ws kybernhsh. Den exw na prosqesw, omws, kati perissotero twra.

PALAIOLOGOS: Paraplhsia qa htan kai h erwthsh moy. Proxqes sth Boylh, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke, me aformh thn ypoqesh me to dialogo poy eixe me toys arxhgoys ths antipoliteyshs, anaferqhke sthn anagkh pali idryshs mh kratikwn mh kerdoskopikwn panepisthmiwn. Ekeino to erwthma poy qelw na kanw, einai aplo. Gia poio logo epimenei o Prwqypoyrgos se ayto to zhthma ths idryshs mh kratikwn panepisthmiwn, otan malista exei katarreysei en th genesei ths h diadikasia anaqewrhshs toy perifhmoy arqroy 16 toy Syntagmatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto den shmainei oti den mporei na exei mia politikh paratajh thn ideologikh ths proseggish sta pragmata. Kai ayth thn ideologikh proseggish sta pragmata thn exoyme kanei gnwsth edw kai para poly kairo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Giati ayto to xroniko diasthma, ayto ennow. Ennow, giati se ayto to timing, an moy epitrepete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egine mia erwthsh sth Boylh apo arxhgo kommatos ths antipoliteyshs kai apanthqhke.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den jerw ean exete ypoch sas, alla yparxei mia seira apo sygklhtoys panepisthmiwn, poy exoyn ekdwsei anakoinwsh se sxesh me ta epeisodia ths Qessalonikhs, ta prosfata, me ton jylodarmo toy prytanh kai zhtoyn parembash kai ths Politeias gia na mpei mia tajh sto systhma, na apofeyxqoyn paromoia pragmata. Eseis antimetwpizete to endexomeno na parembete se ayth thn katastash poy zhtoyn ta panepisthmia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O tropos parembashs ths Politeias perigrafetai me safhneia sto nomo ton opoio eishghqhke h kybernhsh. Dhladh, h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish anaferei me poio tropo mporei na ginei kai pote h parembash ths Politeias. Prepei prohgoymenws, omws, na zhthqei apo toys idioys toys prytaneis, kata periptwsh.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na rwthsw, an gia ta zhthmata asfaleias genika, meletatai to endexomeno na...

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Politeia einai sth diaqesh twn prytanikwn arxwn gia opoiadhpote syzhthsh, syskech, lhch metrwn gia qemata poy aforoyn thn asfaleia ths idias ths zwhs, opws apodeiknyetai en prokeimenw, twn foithtwn kai twn kaqhghtwn.

ROYMELIWTHS: Yparxei ena prwtoselido ston ``Eleyqero Typo'' sxetika me mia ereyna poy paroysiazei kapoia oikonomika stoixeia. Perissoteroi apo 2.000 einai oi astegoi, 100.000 neoi ftwxoi kaqe xrono, enw 2,2 ekatommyria zoyn katw apo to orio ths ftwxeias. Ayta problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh kai ti protiqetai na kanei gi` ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika kai thn problhmatizoyn. Allwste, ayta den einai nea stoixeia. Einai stoixeia poy exoyn anaferqei polles fores kai apo diafores ekqeseis, alla kai apo thn idia thn kybernhsh. Kai egw sas exw milhsei se ayth thn aiqoysa kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi. Gnwrizete oti exoyme parei mia seira apo metra apo to Tameio kata ths ftwxeias mexri polla alla metra, ta opoia exoyn stoxo na bohqhsoyn tis pleon adynames oikonomikes tajeis.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy. Einai nea ta stoixeia, an to prosejate...

ROYSOPOYLOS: O ariqmos 2,2 ekatommyria den einai neos.

KAKALHS: To neo stoixeio einai oti ejaplwnetai h ftwxeia epi diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias. Ayjanetai o ariqmos twn oikogeneiwn poy mpainoyn katw apo to orio ths ftwxeias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora ta oria ths ftwxeias, exoyme milhsei kai gia to pws orizontai se eyrwpaiko epipedo. Den exei apokrybei kanena stoixeio apo ayth thn kybernhsh. H prospaqeia einai pws qa jeperasoyme ta oria gia toys perissoteroys polites, apo aytoys ennoeitai poy briskontai hdh katw apo ayta.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anakoinwqhkan tis teleytaies hmeres kapoies meiwseis se kapoia proionta apo kapoies etaireies, oi opoies an kai elegxoyn ena megalo pososto ths agoras, eidame oti meiwsan tis times se sygkekrimena dyo, tria, pente proionta h kaqe mia. An kai oi idies etairies exoyn para polla proionta ta opoia kinoyntai mesw aytwn sthn agora. Mhpws telika einai prosxhmatikes apo thn pleyra toys aytes oi meiwseis; Dhladh, ti nohma exei an meiwnontai dyo proionta kai ta ypoloipa 102 twn idiwn etaireiwn paramenoyn sthn idia katastash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw para na epanalabw ayta poy sas exw pei kai alles fores, qa to kanw aplws en syntomia: Se mia eleyqerh koinwnia, opws einai h koinwnia sthn opoia zoyme, se mia eleyqerh agora, opws h agora ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs thn opoia biwnoyme, yparxoyn kapoioi kanones. Aytoi oi kanones exoyn na kanoyn me toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys toy kratoys. Elegktikoi mhxanismoi poy ofeiloyn na einai pantaxoy parontes -ei dynaton fysika ayto- etsi wste na apotrepoyn fainomena kerdoskopias. Kata ta loipa, oi prospaqeies poy ginontai apo to armodio ypoyrgeio einai sthn kateyqynsh ths meiwshs twn timwn h ths sygkrathshs twn timwn se ena dieqnes periballon, to opoio gnwrizete oti kineitai analogws.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, akoysa oti se o,ti afora to sxoliasmo toy apotelesmatos twn eklogwn sta Skopia arkeiste sthn anakoinwsh poy ebgale prin apo ligo o ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Wstoso, qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh anhsyxei gia to endexomeno paratetamenhs astaqeias sth geitonikh xwra, giati emfanws kategrafhsan kai apo toys parathrhtes kai apo ta MME epeisodia poy eftasan mexri kai se fono, opote ayto einai ena stoixeio poy allazei ta dedomena.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta epeisodia, ontws exoyn katagrafei. Ekeino poy mporei na kanei kapoios, einai na ekfrasei thn eyxh na mhn epanalhfqoyn tetoioy eidoys fainomena. Se o,ti afora tis anhsyxies, armodioteroi na tis anaferoyn -an yparxoyn- einai oi idioi oi katoikoi twn Skopiwn h oi politikes arxes ths geitonikhs xwras. Emeis ekfrazoyme thn eyxh mas na stamathsoyn edw ta osa eginan sth diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy kai ths eklogikhs hmeras xqes.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sthn Kerkyra, apo thn epembash ths astynomias telika, katelhje mia gynaika. Qa katalogistoyn eyqynes stoys armodioys; H epembash ayth egine me entolh toy ypoyrgeioy h egine me apofash ths astynomias kai an qa zhthqoyn paraithseis yphresiakwn paragontwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh exete bgalei mia apofash, h opoia einai profanws laqos gia kapoion poy gnwrizei ta gegonota, qa sas parakaloysa na janakoitajete ta gegonota kai na mhn bgazete etsi symperasmata gia ton opoiondhpote ergazomeno sthn astynomia. Dioti, molis twra, an den to katalabate, rijate eyqynes stoys astynomikoys gia to qanato mias gynaikas. Ayto eipate. Den jerw an ayto ennooysate h an ennooysate kati allo.

ROYMELIWTHS: Oxi. Eipa oti apo thn epembash yphrje ayto to apotelesma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To gegonos oti apo thn epembash kapoioi prospaqhsan na jefygoyn gia toys x, c logoys poy gnwrizoyn oi idioi (dioti profanws gia na prospaqhsoyn na jefygoyn apo ekeino to shmeio kati qa eixan na anhsyxhsoyn) kai sthn prospaqeia toys na jefygoyn, h motosykleta epese panw se mia atyxh gynaika, thn traymatise kai opws apodeiknyetai sth synexeia se toso sobaro baqmo wste na mhn mporei na glitwsei th zwh ths, ayto den shmainei oti exei thn eyqynh  poy eseis sthn prwth sas erwthsh balate- h astynomia.

KAKALHS: Einai enoxoi aytoi poy diadhlwnoyn gia na mh ftiaxtei enas XYTA kai einai aqwa h kybernhsh kai ta astynomika organa ta opoia askoyn bia aprokalypth panw stoys katoikoys ths Leykimhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epiteloys, yparxei mia apofash toy StE, dhladh toy anwtatoy dikasthrioy ths xwras. H apofash ayth eprepe na efarmostei. Kapoioi paranomoyntes sth diarkeia ths prospaqeias toys na jefygoyn apo to mploko poy ebale h EL.AS., efygan me mia motosykleta, epesan se mia atyxh gynaika poy briskotan sthn perioxh, me apotelesma na th skotwsoyn.

KAKALHS: Ftaine aytoi poy prospaqoyn na jefygoyn kai den ftaine ta MAT poy kanoyn epiqesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean dhladh h ellhnikh Politeia prospaqei na thrhsei to nomo kai ftanoyme sto allo akro na pisteyoyme oti sthn prospaqeia ths na thrhsei to nomo kapoioi, oi opoioi jefeygoyn apo to nomo kai skotwnoyn sthn poreia enan anqrwpo, mporoyn na apodwsoyn sthn ellhnikh Politeia thn eyqynh, epitrecte moy na pisteyw oti jefeygei apo th logikh.

KAKALHS: Prospaqoyn na jefygoyn apo ta MAT (den akoygetai) ayto poy lete jefeygei. Alla me sygxwreite ep aytoy, tote ti lete gia thn topikh ths Neas Dhmokratias oti paraithqhke;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kamia antirrhsh na syzhtame osh wra qelete, alla den qa dextw na synexisoyme ayth th diarkh ``antiparaqesh'', erwthsh- apanthsh, mono me ena proswpo. Yparxoyn kai alloi synadelfoi sas edw, den sas sterhsa pote to logo...

KAKALHS: Gia to idio qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na rwthsete sth synexeia.

KAKARNIAS: Qa allajw qema. Thn Pempth synedriazei h Olomeleia ths Boylhs me qema thn ekqesh toy Symboylioy Apodhmoy Ellhnismoy. H prwth erwthsh einai an perilambanetai h synedriash sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Kai h deyterh einai an qewreite oti ayth h synedriash qa apotelesei enaysma gia na doyme mia kinhtopoihsh sto qema ths chfoy to opoio, proswpikh moy ektimhsh, exei meinei pisw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, den gnwrizw an qa paei o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh. Gi ayto den exw na sas pw kati ep aytoy. Oson afora to deytero, gnwrizete poly kala oti h kybernhsh exei diasafhnisei kai aposafhnisei tis proqeseis ths: Pisteyoyme, dhladh, oti qa prepei oi Ellhnes omogeneis na symmetexoyn sthn eklogikh diadikasia. Malista to exoyme pei edw kai toylaxiston dyo xronia. Prospaqhsame kai prospaqoyme na kinhqoyme sthn kateyqynsh ayth. Gnwrizete oti xreiazetai ayjhmenh pleiochfia, dhladh xreiazetai pleiochfia thn opoia den diaqetei shmera h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, oyte kai sthn prohgoymenh Boylh th dieqete. Pisteyoyme oti ta alla kommata qa symfwnhsoyn mazi mas oti kalo qa htan na chfizoyn kai oi Ellhnes omogeneis kai na mh broyn profaseis opws aytes poy eixe brei to PASOK sthn prohgoymenh Boylh, gia na mhn chfisei to sxetiko nomosxedio.

KAKALHS: Qa epanelqw sto qema ths akribeias. Hqela na rwthsw, otan h kybernhsh xarakthrizei kalodexoymenes tis anajies, kata th gnwmh moy, meiwseis timwn stis opoies proxwrane oi kerdoskopoi dhladh ta kartel kai ta oligopwlia poy elegxoyn oloys toys kladoys ths oikonomias. Me ayto ton tropo den toys prosferei ena boliko alloqi kai toys bohqaei se mia epixeirhsh dhmosiwn sxesewn poy kanoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw para na epanalabw oti zoyme se mia koinwnia h opoia diepetai apo sygkekrimenoys kanones, se mia agora poy diepetai apo sygkekrimenoys kanones. Toys gnwrizoyme oloi mas. Sas eipa molis prohgoymenws, exontas epanalabei nomizw polles fores to idio pragma, poies einai oi dynatothtes poy exei h ellhnikh Politeia. H kybernhsh, oi armodioi ypoyrgoi prospaqoyn me ton alfa h ton bhta tropo na epityxoyn to ``pagwma'' alla kai th meiwsh timwn basikwn proiontwn, se ena periballon -epanalambanw- opoy dieqnws ta pragmata kinoyntai me toys idioys grhgoroys ryqmoys pros ta panw.

KAKALHS: Ara, eiste me ta kartel;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinei h katagrafh sas. Egw den apantw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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