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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 17 Martioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 126698324

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 17 Martioy 2008

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, stis 11.00, synedriazei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me aformh tis apergies kai bebaiws, enocei ths chfishs toy nomosxedioy, h kybernhsh protiqetai ``na rijei nero sto krasi ths'' kai na dexqei orismenes apo tis allages poy proteinoyn kapoies syndikalistikes omades;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei se antistoixes erwthseis, dyo h treis fores, apo thn hmera poy katateqhke to nomosxedio sth Boylh. Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero.

ROYMELIWTHS: To Asfalistiko oloklhrwnetai twra, sto telos ths ebdomadas. Poia einai h amesws epomenh basikh metarryqmish ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, proxwraei h metarryqmish poy afora thn ypoqesh twn limaniwn. Einai se ejelijh o dieqnhs diagwnismos. Plhsiazei pros to telos h hmeromhnia ths lhjhs toy dieqnoys diagwnismoy me tis aparaithtes parataseis poy qa doqoyn, opws se kaqe antistoixh periptwsh. Yparxei de kai mia seira allwn qematwn poy gnwrizete apo to kybernhtiko mas programma.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite, pws ekfrazetai ayth h megalh koinwnikh symmaxia sthn opoia anaferotan kai proeklogika o Prwqypoyrgos, sto qema ths ``asfalistikhs metarryqmishs''; Giati, blepoyme oti kanenas ergazomenos, kanenas klados ergazomenwn den einai yper toy nomosxedioy. Mono o Syndesmos Biomhxanwn kai to EBEA einai yper toy nomosxedioy. Poy einai ayth h megalh koinwnikh symmaxia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To bebaio einai oti kaqe kybernhsh, h opoia sebetai toys polites kai ton eayto ths kai panw ap` ola thn politikh pragmatikothta  kai milame gia mia politikh pragmatikothta se o,ti afora to Asfalistiko- ofeilei na kanei tis metarryqmiseis ekeines poy qa bohqhsoyn, wste to kaqe systhma, en prokeimenw to asfalistiko systhma sto mellon na mhn boyliajei. Kai ayth einai h metarryqmish. H prospaqeia na mhn boyliajei to asfalistiko systhma, h prospaqeia na enisxyqei, etsi wste kai oi genies poy mpainoyn shmera sth doyleia h aytes poy mphkan ta teleytaia xronia, na einai sigoyres oti qa exoyn tis idies asfalistikes kalyceis poy eixan kai oi prohgoymenes genies.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite, an h kybernhsh aisqanetai ekteqeimenh kai eseis proswpika, meta thn apofash toy dikasthrioy gia th DEH, poy den khryje thn apergia paranomh kai kataxrhstikh, enw eseis isxyrizosaste oti oi diakopes toy reymatos ofeilontan sthn apergia ths DEH. To akribws antiqeto eipe to dikasthrio. H kybernhsh den aisqanetai ekteqeimenh gi` ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na exei pei to antiqeto to dikasthrio...

KAKALHS: To dikasthrio exei apagoreysei, an den to jerete, na mh ginoyn mellontika logw typikwn, diadikastikwn problhmatwn, alla sthn oysia den eipe oti...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mperdeyete dyo diaforetika qemata metajy toys. Se o,ti afora thn apofash ths Dikaiosynhs, den qa sxoliasw. Se kamia periptwsh den exw sxoliasei. Se o,ti afora, omws, to yparkto gegonos oti eixame diakopes reymatos ejaitias ths apergias: Den eixame se alles periptwseis diakopes reymatos, einai h apergia ekeinh poy odhghse sto na exoyme diakopes reymatos. Ektos kai an yparxei kapoia allh qewria, kainofanhs, thn opoia den gnwrizw.

KAKALHS: Den yparxei kainofanhs qewria. Yparxei tekmhriwmenh, nomizw, yposthrijh apo th meria twn syndikalistwn, poy lene oti me bash thn apergia eprepe na ginontai diakopes to poly mish wra, ante kai 40 lepta. H kybernhsh gia na kanei triwres h kai perissoteres, isws, diakopes reymatos, to ekane akribws gia na sykofanthsei ton agwna toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia qewria kainofanhs, h opoia den sthrizetai se yparkta gegonota.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, diabazw tis teleytaies hmeres apoceis kybernhtikwn stelexwn poy tassontai yper ths prooptikhs mias synergasias metajy twn dyo megalyterwn kommatwn. Diabazw kai antiqetes apoceis, aporriptontas ayth thn prooptikh. Epeidh exoyme mperdeytei, qa hqela na jerw, h kybernhsh, an syzhta to endexomeno synergasias twn dyo megalyterwn kommatwn, eite kentrika, eite se epipedo stelexwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekloges eixame molis to Septembrio, prin apo peripoy eji mhnes kai oi epomenes ekloges einai to 2011. Qelw na pw, dhladh, oti opoiadhpote tetoia syzhthsh einai ektos xronoy.

XIWTHS: Giati prepei mia tetoioy eidoys prooptikh, an yparxei kai an th syzhtate, na ginetai panta proeklogika kai oxi se baqos xronoy; Den to katalabainw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw, ti ennoeite me ayto to ``panta'' poy lete. Egw qymamai mia periptwsh, apo to 1974 kai meta, poy eixame synergasies.

XIWTHS: Ayto poy sas rwthsa, sygxwreste me gia thn epimonh. Einai an h kybernhsh, kentrika pleon, syzhta h aporriptei ayto to endexomeno synergasiwn metajy twn kommatwn

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa sthn prwth sas erwthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa enisxysw thn erwthsh toy synadelfoy toy k. Xiwth sto ejhs: Eseis poy apodidete ws kybernhsh kai ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos to gegonos oti orismena kybernhtika stelexh kai malista koryfaia, syzhtoyn kai kapoioi proteinoyn to endexomeno synergasias me to PASOK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Politikh syzhthsh ginetai gia mia seira apo qemata. Etsi kai gi` ayto to qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: To apodidete, dhladh, se apla qewrhtika sxhmata...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ston topo exoyme Dhmokratia kai o kaqenas mporei na ekfrasei eleyqera thn apoch toy, h opoia einai kai sebasth.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den blepete na yparxei kati pio yparkto, dhladh, kati san protagma...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Oi ekloges eginan prin apo ligoys mhnes kai exoyme akomh mprosta mas sxedon triamisi xronia gia tis epomenes ekloges.

ROYMELIWTHS: O k. Tragakhs eipe se kapoio radiofwno shmera to prwi oti an den breqei oristikh lysh me ta skoypidia, kati qa prepei na kanei h kybernhsh. Oti qa prepei, dhladh, na proxwrhsei se epitajh. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw kapoio sxolio. H prospaqeia poy ginetai einai gia na lyqei oristika. Nomizw oti to problhma poy dhmioyrghqhke thn prohgoymenh ebdomada exei lyqei se ena poly megalo pososto.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, para to gegonos oti molis proxqes o Prwqypoyrgos eipe pws h qesh mas gia to qema ths onomasias twn Skopiwn einai mia amoibaia apodekth lysh, me gewgrafiko prosdiorismo enanti olwn, yparxoyn kybernhtika stelexh h boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias oi opoioi kai kat` idian alla kai se dhmosies topoqethseis toys, tassontai enantia se mia lysh, se ena onoma poy qa periexei ton oro ``Makedonia''. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos.

XIWTHS: Rwthqhke o Prwqypoyrgos kai stis Bryjelles, alla den apanthse gia to an h kybernhsh exei labei kapoia mhnymata apo olon ayton ton apergiako agwna poy blepoyme na diejagetai aytes tis hmeres. Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai: Pragmati h kybernhsh qewrei oti oles aytes oi kinhtopoihseis ypokinoyntai apo organwmenes syntexnies h yparxoyn kai aploi polites, oi opoioi pragmati antidroyn giati diafwnoyn se kapoies apo tis diatajeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei apanthsei apo thn hmera ekeinh poy syzhthqhke to qema toy asfalistikoy nomosxedioy sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me th dhlwsh thn opoia ekane. Eipe, loipon, o k. Karamanlhs: ``Gnwrizw pws den qa eimai eyxaristos, alla protimw na eimai ston topo moy xrhsimos, me ayth thn asfalistikh metarryqmish''. Nomizw oti ayto ta leei ola.

XIWTHS: Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai, an pragmati apo th syzhthsh poy diejagetai sth Boylh kai koryfwnetai ayth th bdomada, an h kybernhsh syzhta, estw kai mikres allages apo to dialogo poy exei ginei. Katalabainw oti kybernhsh den qelei na qijei th basikh filosofia toy nomosxedioy poy exei epilejei, alla mikres allages syzhtoyntai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwthse nwritera kai o k. Palaiologos. Epeidh, isws, exei perasei kairos apo tote poy to eipa, eixa anaferei -kai prin katateqei to nomosxedio sth Boylh kai afotoy kateteqh- oti efoson yparjoyn protaseis oi opoies einai epoikodomhtikes sthn kateyqynsh ths basikhs filosofias toy nomosxedioy, h kybernhsh den qa pei oxi.

KAKALHS: Ektos, omws, apo toys ergazomenoys h kybernhsh den exei peisei oyte thn koinh gnwmh oti to asfalistiko nomosxedio einai pros th swsth kateyqynsh, me apotelesma na blepoyme shmera to 58% twn erwthqentwn na einai antiqetoi me to asfalistiko nomosxedio. Me bash ayta ta dedomena, h kybernhsh pisteyei oti me tis dikastikes apagoreyseis twn apergiwn kai th xrhsh ths astynomikhs bias kai toys apergospastikoys mhxanismoys poy sthnei, oti me ayto ton tropo qa lysei ta problhmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O monos gnwmonas gia to asfalistiko nomosxedio htan kai paramenei ayto poy sas eipa prohgoymenws. Dhladh, na antimetwpistoyn problhmata, ta opoia blepoyme na yparxoyn sthn koinwnikh asfalish. Kai me maqhmatikh akribeia, se liga xronia apo shmera, ta problhmata ayta qa foyntwnan toso, wste qa eixame dialysh sygkekrimenwn Tameiwn. To eipe kai sth Boylh o Prwqypoyrgos: ``Qa moy htan eykolo na pw, ti me noiazei emena poios qa einai Prwqypoyrgos se liga xronia apo twra. As erqei ekeinos na antimetwpisei ta problhmata poy einai yparkta, pia''. Den einai, omws ayth h sobarh antimetwpish, den qa htan ayth sobarh antimetwpish gia enan eklegmeno apo toys Ellhnes polites, Prwqypoyrgo, na antimetwpisei ta problhmata. Ayto kanoyme. Ta ypoloipa ola, ws diko sas sxolio, ta akoyw men, den prokeitai na sxoliasw.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy, ean moy epitrepete. Epeidh lete oti to zhthma ths kybernhshs einai na lysei ta problhmata, to qema einai na lysei ta problhmata se baros twn asfalistikwn dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn; Giati, as poyme, gia paradeigma, den aggizei thn eisforodiafygh, den aggizei tis bebaiwmenes ofeiles twn epixeirhsewn, thn ypoxrhmatodothsh kai to kratos den dinei...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos oti den aggizei thn eisforodiafygh h tis bebaiwmenes ofeiles. An yparxoyn sygkekrimenes periptwseis, tis opoies gnwrizete eseis, qa hqela na tis anaferete kai ...

KAKALHS: Safws. Qa sas tis pw amesws...

ROYSOPOYLOS: ... Eimai bebaios oti oi armodies Arxes...

KAKALHS: ... Bebaiwmenes ofeiles epixeirhsewn pros to IKA...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afhste me na oloklhrwsw. Eimai bebaios oti oi armodies yphresies twn ypoyrgeiwn, ean tyxon exei diafygei kati apo ayta ta opoia qa peite, amesws qa antidrasoyn, etsi wste na mhn yparxei kapoios poy na nomizei oti einai panw apo to nomo, panw apo ton elegxo, alla etsi opws epiballei to Syntagma na einai isotimos gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apo thn apanthsh poy dwsate pro oligoy, sto erwthma gia to endexomeno ths epitajhs, fanhke na apokleietai ayto to endexomeno. Eseis pisteyete, omws, oti me thn oloklhrwsh kai thn chfish toy nomosxedioy oti qa stamathsoyn na yfistantai kai oi apergiakes kinhtopoihseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti ayto to erwthma qa prepei na to apeyqynete stoys apergoys, oxi se emena.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, lew h kybernhsh an exei analogh aisqhsh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai qemata aisqhsewn, oyte paraisqhsewn. Edw einai qemata oysias. Ean oi apergoi qewroyn oti prepei na synexisoyn, ayto einai ena qema gia to opoio prepei na rwthsete stoys idioys kai oxi emena.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sygnwmh poy synexizw, qa mporoysa na to qesw kai ypoqetika. Dhladh ti qa kanate sthn periptwsh poy synexizontai h synexistoyn oi apergies kai meta thn chfish toy nomosxedioy. Qa moy apantoysate bebaiws oti einai ypoqetiko to erwthma. Egw sas lew oti me dedomeno oti diafwnoyn kapoies syndikalistikes organwseis sto Asfalistiko nomosxedio, eseis an synexistoyn aytes oi apergies qa anagkasteite meta na skefteite sobara to endexomeno epitajhs h epistrateyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ontws, den qa apanthsw se ypoqetiko erwthma.

KAKALHS: Epeidh exete melethsei poly kala tis diatajeis toy nomosxedioy, mporeite na mas peite posoi merikws apasxoloymenoi h proswrina apasxoloymenoi qa meinoyn xwris iatrofarmakeytikh periqalch me to diplasiasmo toy ariqmoy twn enshmwn apo 50 se 100;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai alhqes oti ta enshma diplasiazontai. Apo 50 enshma to xrono se 100 enshma to xrono. Einai dhladh enas ariqmos o opoios qewreitai eparkhs gia na mporei kapoios na exei thn iatrofarmakeytikh periqalch. O ariqmos twn 50 enshmwn htan idiaitera xamhlos kai ayto eixe san apotelesma, oysiastika, na wfeloyntai h na epwfeloyntai ayths ths ryqmisews proswpa ta opoia den exoyn syneisferei etsi opws exoyn syneisferei sth pleionothta toys oi Ellhnes polites. Htan loipon ena adiko metro ayto to opoio isxye, enanti olwn twn ypoloipwn Ellhnwn politwn oi opoioi syneiseferan anellipws tis eisfores toys, etsi wste na mporoyn na exoyn thn iatrofarmakeytikh periqalch poy xreiazontai.

KAKALHS: Skopima to kanate (den akoygetai). Merikws apasxoloymenoi htan. Me proswrinh apasxolhsh, me elastikes morfes apasxolhshs poy prowqeite. Tetoioi einai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite oti kapoios poy ergazetai enamish mhna to xrono qa exei 12 mhnes asfalish.

KAKALHS: Kapoios poy doyleyei sth NAYSI den mporei na bgazei merokamata 100 to xrono.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai mia logikh. Alla, einai logiko enas poy doyleyei enamish mhna to xrono na exei thn idia asfalish me kapoion poy doyleyei 12 mhnes ton xrono kai milame gia thn pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn. Ayto to opoio lete, afora mia mikrh pleiochfia.

KAKALHS: Posoi einai aytoi, mporeite na mas peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oloi oi Ellhnes polites na plhrwnoyn epi 12 mhnes to xrono, na ergazontai anellipws, na steroyntai dhladh ena poso xrhmatwn apo thn kaqhmerinh toys diabiwsh kai na wfeloyntai  epanalambanw- orismenoi oi opoioi ergazontai poly ligotero. Den nomizw oti ayto einai dikaio.

KAKALHS: Einai dikaio oi ergazomenoi sth NAYSI poy den mporoyn na ``stayrwsoyn'' merokamato na menoyn xwris iatrofarmakeytikh periqalch; Ayto to lete koinwnikh Dikaiosynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti yparxoyn ergazomenoi oi opoioi me enamish mhna doyleias to xrono eixan iatrofarmakeytikh periqalch gia 12 mhnes. Kai yparxei h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn poy doyleyei 12 h 10 h 8 mhnes to xrono, plhrwnei poly perissotera enshma kai exei akribws ta idia dikaiwmata. Kriname loipon, skopimo ta 50 enshma poy htan enas mikros ariqmos, na ftasoyn sta 100, etsi wste na mporei na exei kapoios plhrh iatrofarmakeytikh periqalch.

KAKALHS: Exete ypologisei posoys plhttei ayto to metro;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai proxeiros na sas pw ariqmo.

KAKALHS: Tote, pws pairnete ayto to metro, xwris na toys exete ypologisei. Den sas endiaferei dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws mas endiaferei. Exoyn ginei meletes apo tis armodies yphresies toy Ypoyrgeioy Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn gia na proxwrhsoyme se ayto to metro to opoio sas anefera.

KAKALHS: Wraia, sas lew loipon oti sto IKA katw apo 100 enshma exoyn 400.000 kosmos. Aytos qa meinei xwris iatrofarmakeytikh periqalch;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas anefera oti exei ginei mia meleth apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio, exei proxwrhsei ayth h meleth. Nomizw oti einai apolytws dikaio kaqe Ellhnas poliths o opoios plhrwnei, na apaitei na exei iatrofarmakeytikh periqalch arkei na exei ena minimoym, to opoio minimoym orizetai sta 100 enshma.

Sas eyxaristw.

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