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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 7 Martioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 124914471

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 7 Martioy 2008

Xairete.

Mia anakoinwsh me aformh thn anamenomenh idiaitera ayjhmenh metakinhsh twn oxhmatwn sto odiko diktyo ths xwras, enocei twn eortwn ths apokrias kai ths Kaqaras Deyteras: To ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn exei hdh kanei eidiko sxediasmo gia anaptyjh kai efarmogh ayjhmenwn metrwn ths Troxaias, poy qa exoyn ws stoxo th megalyterh dynath dieykolynsh ths kykloforias kai thn prolhch troxaiwn atyxhmatwn, se syndyasmo me ton elegxo ths parabatikhs symperiforas olwn. Kalo einai na prosexoyme oloi mas aytes tis hmeres.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Epikeitai sygklhsh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, k. Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei apofasistei kati tetoio.

GARGALAKOS: Enocei kai ths chfishs toy nomosxedioy gia to Asfalistiko, den krinete kapws skopimo na ginei ayth h sygklhsh gia na enisxyqei h synoxh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, den eimai Grammateas ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas. Se kaqe periptwsh, apantw ek meroys ths kybernhshs. Gnwrizw oti den exei apofasistei kapoia tetoia synedriash.

FANIDHS: Gnwrizete, k. Ekproswpe, gia poio logo h k. Petralia den edwse stoys diapisteymenoys synadelfoys sto ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs to keimeno, to opoio proorizetai na katateqei sth Boylh; Yparxei, malista, eggrafh diamartyria 23 dhmosiografwn poy kalyptoyn to reportaz toy ypoyrgeioy Apasxolhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa xqes, nomizw, oloklhrwmena sto qema. Fwtotyphqhkan peripoy 23.000 fwtotypies, meta to aithma twn dhmosiografwn, anti gia to cd-rom, to opoio toys moirasthke amesws, stis 11.20, anti gia tis 120 selides paroysiashs poy toys moirasthkan amesws, me oles tis allages kai oxi mono me orismenes, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghqei allh entypwsh, na yparxei kai typwmenos o nomos. Bghkan, loipon, 23.000 fwtotypies mesa sth mia-miamish wra poy xreiasthke na mesolabhsei wspoy na bgoyn aytes oi fwtotypies kai moirasthke. Antioikologiko, bebaia, alla sebasto to aithma.

ROYMELIWTHS: Eftase, sto Megaro Majimoy, epistolh twn genikwn dieyqyntwn ths DEH;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

ROYMELIWTHS: Dioti yparxei h fhmh oti exei fqasei kai oti ``adeiazoyn'' ton k. Aqanasopoylo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite ``adeiazoyn'';

ROYMELIWTHS: Einai mia epistolh poy einai enantion toy...

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Aqanasopoylos einai enas epityxhmenos manager, pagkosmioy anagnwrishs kai fhmhs, o opoios brisketai se mia shmantikh qesh kai exei thn ameristh empistosynh ths kybernhshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me dedomenes tis antidraseis kai twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs, alla kai twn syndikalistwn gia to nomosxedio kai me dedomenh thn kybernhtikh eyaisqhsia gia thn chfish toy nomosxedioy kai th sobarothta toy nomosxedioy, yparxei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias gia toys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto erwthma ayto sto parelqon, legontas oti h asfalistikh metarryqmish einai meizwn metarryqmish. Nomizw oti apanta ayto, emmesws, plhn safws.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxoyn para polla problhmata apo tis diakopes sto reyma. Ejetazete to endexomeno ths politikhs epistrateyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kati tetoio.

KAKARNIAS: Xqes, o k. Papandreoy, metajy allwn, eipe oti oysiastika einai anoiktos se kapoia synergasia me th Nea Dhmokratia, se sygkekrimena qemata. Alla, kathgorhse to kybernwn komma oti einai ayto poy den qelei th synergasia. Yparxei ena sxolio gia to sygkekrimeno, exontas ypoch kai th xqesinh sas dhlwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora qemata synergasias, nomizw oti panw apo ola oi polites einai ekeinoi poy qa hqelan na blepoyn ta kommata, megalytera h mikrotera, na synergazontai metajy toys sthn epilysh orismenwn qematwn. As poyme, einai anamenomeno, apo oloys toys polites pisteyw, na yparxei synergasia kai symparastash sta zhthmata poy aforoyn ta eqnika mas symferonta. Antistoixh synergasia, antistoixh symparastash, thn eixate dei oso kairo h Nea Dhmokratia htan sthn antipoliteysh, pros ton tote Prwqypoyrgo k. Shmith. Ena deytero zhthma einai ta megala qemata. Ta megala qemata, ekeina ta opoia xreiazontai lyseis. As poyme, h anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, to arqro 16, ena poly shmantiko qema to opoio apasxolei toys Ellhnes polites, toys neoys, kai to opoio qa eprepe na proxwrhsei kai gia to opoio, epishs, exoyme zhthsei polles fores apo to PASOK na anaqewrhsei thn apoch toy kai na mh symmetexei -einai h apoch toy- sthn anaqewrhsh kai na symmetexei. Yparxoyn, loipon, zhthmata megala kai alla qa mporoyse na brei kapoios, sta opoia qa qelame th synergasia. Den eimaste emeis ekeinoi oi opoioi apodiwkoyme th synergasia, giati -jerete- sta logia polla mporei na legontai, alla sta erga... Sta erga eimaste emeis poy eixame mia sygkekrimenh stash gia to arqro 16, stash thn opoia me elaxistes diaforopoihseis, alla sthn oysia ths idia, eixe kai o k. Papandreoy. Den kaname emeis pisw. O idios ekane.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h GENOP-DEH leei oti yparxei eparkeia reymatos. Giati, omws, to reyma diakoptetai stoys polites;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Edwsa, xqes, ta stoixeia ta opoia apantoyn sto erwthma. Ean yphrxe eparkeia, den qa eixame diakopes. Ayto einai safes. Exoyme meiwmenh isxy sto 40%, meiwmenh paragwgh, kai ayto giati, opws sas ejhghsa xqes, polla ergostasia -16 ston ariqmo htan xqes- den leitoyrgoyn ejaitias twn apergiakwn kinhtopoihsewn. Kai enw yparxei h ypoxrewsh na leitoyrgoyn ta ergostasia, me proswpiko asfaleias. Eipa kai xqes kai qa epanalabw oti xeirizontai ena koinwniko agaqo, to opoio se kamia periptwsh den prepei na metaxeirizontai, me tropo o opoios strefetai enantion ths koinwnias.

TROYPIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h Nea Dhmokratia kleinei shmera tessera xronia sthn kybernhsh, exete na kanete ena mikro apologismo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti o apologismos exei ginei se polles periptwseis kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo emena edw. Ekeino poy exw na shmeiwsw einai oti sta tessera xronia kai ayto poy prospaqhsame kai ayto poy apotelei oroshmo gia thn politikh mas einai h akoloyqia logwn kai ergwn. Oi desmeyseis na ginontai pragmatikothta kai se mia seira apo tomeis, opws einai ta koinwnika metra, opws einai zhthmata poy aforoyn thn ejygiansh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai th dhmioyrgia antagwnistikwn orwn, opws einai h yposthrijh, me th megalyterh dynath qermh, sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta, twn eqnikwn mas qematwn, opws einai zhthmata poy aforoyn tis nees genies eite einai ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, eite qemata ergasias me th meiwsh ths anergias, exoyn sthn prajh apodeijei oti h Nea Dhmokratia, ayta ta opoia desmeyqhke na kanei apo thn periodo poy htan sthn antipoliteysh, prospaqei kai synexizei na prospaqei. Exei epityxei polla. To teleio einai to zhtoymeno, paroti qewreitai oytopiko sth zwh mas. Alla, se kaqe periptwsh, ekeino poy pisteyw oti mporoyme na kanoyme einai na koitazoyme toys Ellhnes polites eilikrina, na toys leme thn alhqeia, opws thn alhqeia leme kai sto qema toy Asfalistikoy, se ena epwdyno zhthma, alla na jeroyn oti ayth h alhqeia, otan ginetai prajh, einai mono gia to symferon ths patridas kai oxi gia to symferon toy kommatos poy kyberna.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema toy Asfalistikoy. Posos xronos qa apaithqei gia thn chfish toy apo thn wra poy qa eisaxqei sth Boylh, giati akoygetai kai grafetai oti h chfish toy qa ginei me diadikasies ejpres, dhladh se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma. Alhqeyei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn diadikasies oi opoies problepontai apo ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs kai me aytes tis diadikasies, einai ena poly megalo nomosxedio, qa chfistei. Qa proxwrhsei, dhladh, sth syzhthsh h Epitroph kai sth synexeia h Olomeleia. Oxi, den eimaste ths logikhs gia diadikasies ejpres. Einai oi diadikasies poy problepontai gia kaqe nomosxedio.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poia einai h apanthsh pros toys syndikalistikoys foreis poy yposthrizoyn oti meta tis ryqmiseis poy eginan, oi boyleytes pia einai to retire twn syntajioyxwn, me dikaiwma na lambanoyn kai mia kai dyo kai treis syntajeis kai oses syntajeis, en pash periptwsei, dikaioyntai apo ta prohgoymena epaggelmata toys. Yparxei periptwsh ayto na syzhthqei sth Boylh kai na yparjei kai mia ryqmish;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti apanthsa, xqes, oloklhrwmena sto erwthma ayto kai se alles periptwseis poy rwthqhka. Kai qewrw oti h nea ryqmish poy eisagei h kybernhsh einai ryqmish poy isxyei antistoixws kai se alles eyrwpaikes xwres -an oxi akribws h idia pantws, peripoy oi idies ryqmiseis isxyoyn kai se alles eyrwpaikes xwres- gia na yphrethqei to agaqo ths koinoboyleytikhs dhmokratias.

BLABIANOS: Eipate prohgoymenws, syggnwmh, epanerxomai sto qema ths DEH, oti den qa ginei epistrateysh. Poios einai o tropos poy qa lyqei...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, den yparxei tetoio qema.

BLABIANOS: Den yparxei tetoio qema, entajei. Poios einai, omws, o tropos...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati ennow na synexizw na mhn apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

BLABIANOS: Poios einai o tropos me ton opoio skeftetai h kybernhsh na lyqei to problhma; Dioti ayto to opoio egw toylaxiston antilambanomai, einai oti ayth th stigmh erxontai antimetwpoi polites me th GENOP-DEH. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Emeis den skefqhkame, oyte qelhsame pote na kanoyme kati tetoio. Oi apergoi ths DEH erxontai antimetwpoi, prwta apo ola, me thn koinh logikh. Kai erxontai antimetwpoi me mia pragmatikothta, h opoia einai diaforetikh apo ayth poy orismenoi -apo o,ti parakoloyqhsa- prospaqoyn na perasoyn eite stis synenteyjeis stis thleoraseis, eite stis dhlwseis toys, eite stis anakoinwseis toys. Dioti, opws eixa thn eykairia na sas ejhghsw analytika xqes, oysiastika oi allages poy ginontai einai elaxistes, h monadikh mia, opoy to Tameio ypagetai se ena eyrytero Tameio trapezoypallhlwn kai ergazomenwn stis yphresies dhmosias wfeleias. Dhladh, qa yparxei mia dioikhsh toy eniaioy Tameioy kai den qa exei th dioikhsh ena aytonomo Tameio, opws htan mexri shmera. H aytonomia, kata ta loipa, se ola kai stoys logariasmoys toys kai sta xrhmata ta opoia exoyn, h epibebaiwsh toy nomoy toy 1999, einai poly shmantika gegonota kai ryqmiseis poy symbainoyn se ayto to nomosxedio kai poy den qigoyn kaqoloy ta osa exoyn oi ergazomenoi ths DEH.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oi epaiontes peri toy Asfalistikoy, analyontas tis diatajeis toy nomosxedioy, ektimoyn oti peripoy dyo ekatommyria asfalismenoi qigontai apo tis diatajeis toy nomosxedioy. Eseis proeklogika eixate pei tria ``den''. Pisteyete oti isxyoyn shmera ayta ta tria ``den'' poy eixate pei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta tria ``den'' isxyoyn apolytws kai topoqethqhka kai egw, alla topoqethqhke kai o Prwqypoyrgos, apo proxqes hdh, me poly sygkekrimenoys logoys gi` ayta ta tria ``den''. Se o,ti afora ton ariqmo, den qa ton amfisbhthsw, oyte qa ton epibebaiwsw. Aplws, epeidh gnwrizoyme oloi oti h asfalistikh ayth metarryqmish afora osoys mphkan ston ergasiako xwro apo to 1983 ews to 1993, dhladh mia dekaetia, h diairesh toy ariqmoy poy moy eipate shmainei oti exoyme kaqe xrono peripoy 200.000 ergazomenoys ston idiwtiko tomea. An ypologisoyme oti shmera o plhqysmos exei ayjhqei, oti oi ergazomenoi -poy entassontai kaqe xrono ston idiwtiko tomea, aytoi poy teleiwnoyn to Lykeio kai teleiwnoyn kai ta Panepisthmia- den yperbainoyn toys 90.000 100.000, einai pragmatika aporias ajio pws h dekaetia toy 1980 poy eixame mikrotero plhqysmo, eixame 200.000 to xrono gia na fqasoyme sta 2.000.000. Kai milame gia anqrwpoys oi opoioi ebgainan sthn paragwgh kai den ergazontan mono ston idiwtiko tomea. Kai sto dhmosio tomea. Den qa amfisbhthsw kanenan ariqmo, giati den eimai se qesh na sas pw to sygkekrimeno ariqmo. Alla, se kaqe periptwsh, den exei kai toso megalh shmasia ayto. Shmasia exei oti oi ryqmiseis aytes ginontai, prokeimenoy na mh boyliajei to asfalistiko systhma, wste oi epomenes genies na exoyn th dynatothta na paroyn kai aytes syntajh, opws exoyn kai oi shmerines genies, opws to dikaioyntai allwste.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prin ligo o Ypoyrgos PEXWDE k. Soyflias, ejerxomenos apo to Megaro Majimoy qymhqhke pws kai ekeinos ypoxrewqhke na parei kapoia epwdyna metra, opws o idios xarakthrise, to 1990. Den fobaste oti telika ana mia dekaetia h estw dekapentaetia, ypoxrewnomaste na eimaste sto idio shmeio, dhladh na kaleite h ekastote kybernhsh na pairnei kapoia metra ta opoia xarakthrizei anagkaia gia thn epibiwsh toy Asfalistikoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H metarryqmish toy 1990 htan mia poly shmantikh metarryqmish. Exei anagnwristei pisteyw kai apo tis kybernhseis poy akoloyqhsan. Kai stelexh toy PASOK exoyn milhsei gia ayth th metarryqmish, alla milhsan kai oi analogistes toys opoioys eixe kalesei o k. Giannitshs ws Ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs, tote ws Ypoyrgos Ergasias, tonizontas oti ayth h metarryqmish, poy egine to 1990 kai symplhrwqhke to 1992, einai mia metarryqmish poy eswse to asfalistiko systhma gia para polla xronia. An ypologisoyme oti exoyn perasei 18 xronia apo tote, antilambanetai kapoios oti den mporei na milhsei gia kaqe dekaetia. Ekeino poy symplhrwqhke to 1992, sas qymizw htan gia toys ergazomenoys -mazi me tis alles ryqmiseis- apo to 1992 kai meta. Shmera, yparxei ayth h asfalistikh metarryqmish poy ginetai gia toys logoys poy ejhghsame -kai na mhn sas koyrasw epanalambanontas toys- gia toys ergazomenoys apo to 1983 ws to 1993 ston idiwtiko tomea kai pisteyw oti ayth h metarryqmish einai poy qa bohqhsei to asfalistiko mas systhma na zhsei toylaxiston gia ta epomena 20 xronia. Endexomenws, meta apo 20 xronia na xreiastei na ginei kati antistoixo me ayto poy ginetai shmera, apo thn stigmh poy ta pragmata mporei na exoyn dyskolecei h na briskontai se epipeda -logw ths diaforas toy plhqysmoy, twn ergazomenwn ennow- ligo kalytera h poly kalytera apo o,ti einai shmera. Giati, an einai poly kalytera, isws na ginoyn ryqmiseis poy na einai pio kales apo tis shmerines. H tash, omws, thn opoia exoyme katagegrammenh sth xwra mas, einai mia apo tis -dystyxws- xeiroteres sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

Otan se olh thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh h stis perissoteres xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs exoyn tesseris ergazomenoys pros ena syntajioyxo kai edw exoyme 1,75 pros ena syntajioyxo, ligotero apo dyo ergazomenoys pros ena syntajioyxo, antilambanetai kapoios kai mono me ayto ton ariqmo thn anagkh na ginoyn kapoies allages. Oi allages -eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos thn prwth mera, moy eipate oti to epanelabe kai o k. Soyflias prin apo ligo, akoysa kai egw th dhlwsh toy- einai se polles periptwseis odynhres. Ayto den mporei para na to anagnwrisei kapoios. Kai edw tiqetai ena politiko erwthma kai ena politiko epixeirhma. To eixe pei prin apo ligo kairo o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh. Eixe pei, dhladh, oti qa htan poly aplo o idios, ws Prwqypoyrgos, na skeftei oti ta problhmata sto Asfalistiko qa arxisoyn meta apo 5, 7, 8, 10 xronia kai as erqei opoios einai tote Prwqypoyrgos na asxolhqei. Ayto omws den qa edine, se kamia periptwsh, synaisqhsh ths eyqynhs thn opoia exei mia kybernhsh, otan epilegetai gia na antimetwpisei ta basika problhmata.

Pisteyw, loipon, oti ayth h metarryqmish qa bohqhsei na diaswqei to asfalistiko systhma, qa dhmioyrghsei synqhkes pio monternas dioikhshs. Kai mono na skeftei kapoios oti exoyme 133 Tameia sta opoia exoyme 10melh h 11melh symboylia, dhladh panw apo 1400 anqrwpoys kai ayta ola qa ginoyn 13. Kai mono ayth h meiwsh ths dioikhtikhs domhs, h eyelijia poy dhmioyrgeitai me thn proypoqesh poy exei teqei apo persi, ta proswpa poy qa pane na dioikhsoyn aytoys toys megaloys organismoys na elegxontai apo toys kanones ths agoras, apo thn Epitroph Kefalaiagoras, apo thn Trapeza ths Ellados, na epibebaiwnontai apo thn Boylh. Na einai, dhladh, managers oi opoioi qa mporesoyn na kanoyn pio kalh, pio apotelesmatikh th dioikhsh. Kai mono ayta ta dyo shmeia poy anefera, nomizw oti epibebaiwnoyn thn orqothta ths apofashs na proxwrhsoyme sthn asfalistikh metarryqmish. Yparxoyn sigoyra poly pio shmantika, ta opoia anaferame kai xqes.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Mhpws mas eipate molis oti mporei meta apo pente xronia na mhn einai Prwqypoyrgos o k. Karamanlhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O idios o Prwqypoyrgos eixe pei oti ``meta apo liga xronia qa mporoysa na skeftw oti den qa eimai egw Prwqypoyrgos, ara giati na asxolhqw''. To symperasma to opoio bgazete, loipon, den einai mia kainoyrgia eidhsh h mia eidhsh, opws qa perimenate. Se kaqe periptwsh, nomizw oti ton exete akoysei kai ton idio na pisteyei oti sthn politikh kaneis den einai isobios. Opws kai sth zwh allwste.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo trihmero.

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