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Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-10-09

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 9 Oktwbrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 99937962

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 9 Oktwbrioy 2007

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

" Ayrio, stis 11:00, sto Megaro Majimoy, synedriazei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qema tis proteraiothtes ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

" Eisagwgika, qelw na kanw eidikh anafora sth nomoqetikh ryqmish poy prowqei o Ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias k. Basilhs Magginas kai h opoia anakoinwqhke xqes, symfwna me thn opoia: Ola ta Tameia ypoxreoyntai na katabaloyn, entos 15 hmerwn, proswrinh syntajh poy qa isoytai me to 80% ths ypologizomenhs ws oristikhs. Dekapente hmeres, loipon, apo thn ypobolh ths aithshs toy endiaferomenoy kai ths sxetikhs ypeyqynhs dhlwshs toy na syntajiodothqei, qa ekdidetai proswrinh syntajh, akomh kai se periptwseis diadoxikhs asfalishs. Ean ta stoixeia poy ypoballontai einai anakribh, oi katablhqeises sto metajy proswrines syntajeis qa prepei, symfwna me th diatajh, na epistrefontai. Gi` ayto oi endiaferomenoi qa prepei na ypobaloyn ta akribh stoixeia. Qymizw oti einai mia prospaqeia h opoia erxetai se synexeia mias allhs prospaqeias poy jekinhse gia th syntajh twn asfalismenwn sto IKA, thn taxeia apodosh ths syntajhs: Ena xrono prin bgei kapoios sth syntajh, phgainei sto IKA efoson einai asfalismenos ekei, dinei ta stoixeia gia ta prohgoymena Tameia sta opoia mporei na eixe diadoxikh asfalish, etsi wste me to poy qa bgainei sth syntajh na mporei na toy apodidetai to poso xwris tis kaqysterhseis parelqontwn etwn. Otan prwtomphka sth dhmosiografia, qymamai oti mia syntajh kaqysteroyse dyo ews tessera xronia gia na doqei se kapoio syntajioyxo. Deigma kako, bebaiws, gia thn Politeia. Sto metajy perasan polla xronia, exoyn mesolabhsei polla. Qewroyme oti ayth h apofash einai mia akomh apodeijh twn oswn kai proeklogika eipame, oti dhladh h Politeia ofeilei na sebetai ton polith kai na deixnei sthn prajh oti ton sebetai.

Gia to prwto dokimastiko diasthma, qelw na zhthsw apo toys endiaferomenoys na deijoyn kapoioy eidoys anoxh. Kai panw ap` ola, qelw na zhthsw apo toys ergazomenoys sta Tameia, na symballoyn me oles toys tis dynameis sthn efarmogh aytoy toy neoy metroy to opoio enisxyei ton politiko mas politismo, alla kai thn eikona mias apotelesmatikoterhs dhmosias dioikhshs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Exei bgalei h kybernhsh kapoio symperasma gi` ayto to triplo fiasko, dhladh ayth thn anaqewrhsh toy AEP kata 9,6% anti gia 25% poy proteine, thn anabolh toy eniaioy foroy sta kaysima kai thn ejaggelia gia to neo foro sta akinhta; Apo ayto exete bgalei, apo ayth thn apotyxia dhladh ths kybernhshs na efarmosei...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Arkoyse o prwtos xarakthrismos. Qelete na probeite kai se trito, giati kanate hdh dyo; To katalaba pantws apo ton prwto. Loipon, sto qema ths anaqewrhshs toy AEP: Einai ena texniko qema to opoio xeirizetai h Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia se synergasia me tis antistoixes eyrwpaikes yphresies. Oles oi leptomereies, opws me enhmerwnoyn armodiws, qa ginoyn gnwstes meta th synedriash ths Epitrophs Eqnikwn Logariasmwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs. Exei ekdoqei apo xqes anakoinwsh. Sas dinw ena paradeigma: Leei h anakoinwsh ths Eqnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias poy ofeilontai oi diaforetikes ektimhseis, opws gia paradeigma sthn periodo aposbeshs dhmosiwn ypodomwn. Exei tria basika kommatia. To ena, qa sas to ejhghsw, giati moy to ejhghsan ki emena: Sth EUROSTAT qewroyn oti oi times kai h peri ta akinhta oikonomia paramenei se epipeda ths tajews toy 1980. Pairnontas to paradeigma ths Germanias, legontas dhladh oti sth Germania ta pragmata den exoyn allajei ektote. H diafora einai oti sth Germania, mia xwra aneptygmenh hdh apo to 1980 kai se ayton ton kataskeyastiko tomea, ta pragmata mporei na mhn exoyn allajei, alla sthn Ellada gnwrizoyme oloi oti exoyn allajei kai oi times kai o tropos plhrwmwn k.o.k. Dhladh yparxei mia diaforetikh ektimhsh kai katalhgoyn oi yphresies se synergasia sthn telikh apotimhsh. Einai wstoso  epanalambanw- ena texniko qema. Den mporw na mpw se perissoteres leptomereies, den gnwrizw perissoteres leptomereies. O Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn exei zhthsei na enhmerwqei kai apo thn Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia kai apo tis eyrwpaikes yphresies.

Gia to qema ths forologias akinhtwn exoyme kanei mia topoqethsh, h opoia qewrw oti einai safhs. Gia to qema toy petrelaioy to idio. H efarmogh toy afora to 2008, to eipa xqes. To eipe o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Allwste, opws epishmanqhke kai apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, to qema ayto jekinhse apo th stigmh poy apotypwqhke sto prosxedio toy Proypologismoy toy 2008, o opoios arxizei na efarmozetai, opws gnwrizete, apo thn 1/1/2008.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, na to dieykrinisw: Qewreite oti h xwra kerdizei apo ayth thn ejelijh, dhladh thn anaqewrhsh toy AEP kata 9,6% anti 25,7% poy arxika ektimoyse kai zhtoyse; Qewreite oti einai mia qetikh ejelijh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, otan oloklhrwqei h apotypwsh twn stoixeiwn, dhladh otan ginoyn gnwstes oles oi leptomereies meta th synedriash ths Epitrophs Eqnikwn Logariasmwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, qa topoqethqei kai se ayto to erwthma. Nomizw oti einai proxeiro apo meroys moy na pw kati twra.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, k. Ekproswpe, epeidh kai emeis den katalabainoyme -egw toylaxiston den katalabainw- toso kala ta oikonomika, ekane laqos h EUROSTAT poy mas arnhqhke thn ayjhsh toy AEP sto poso poy eixame zhthsei emeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti milame gia diaforetikes ektimhseis. Den shmainei oti ta stoixeia ta opoia edoqhsan einai laqos. Milame gia diaforetikes ektimhseis. Kai edwsa hdh mia diaforetikh ektimhsh se ena kommati to opoio gnwrizoyme oloi kai einai to kommati twn ypodomwn.

GKOYTZANHS: H mia einai swsth: 'H h dikh mas h h dikh toys. Kai oi dyo den ginetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H EUROSTAT epilegei ayto ton tropo. Sas to eipa poly sygkekrimena. Kai nomizw oti einai toso energws apotypwmeno otan milame gia ypodomes, gia akinhta  kai sas anefera to paradeigma ths Germanias- poy den xreiazetai na pw tipote perissotero.

KYRITSHS: Sthn periodo ths apografhs, k. Ekproswpe, mas legate oti me ergwdh prospaqeia, en pash periptwsei, apokatastaqhke to kyros ths Eqnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias kai ths xwras, en pash periptwsei, enanti ths EUROSTAT kai ths E.E.. Kai edw, blepoyme twra oti janajekinaei mia istoria amfisbhthshs twn ariqmwn oi opoioi kateyqynontai apo Aqhna stis Bryjelles. Den yparxei analogia anamesa se ayth thn katastash kai thn prohgoymenh, thn opoia kataggellate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den milame gia amfisbhthsh ariqmoy, milame gia diaforetikh ektimhsh. Sas eipa to paradeigma -giati rwthsa kai egw ayto poy rwthsate kai eseis, mh nomizete oti den exw tis idies apories me sas- ths Germanias, dhladh oti ta akinhta sth Germania apo to 1980 ews shmera exoyn mia apotypwsh sthn ajia toys, ton tropo ths pwlhshs, metapwlhshs k.t.l. sthn yperajia poy pairnei, h opoia paramenei h idia. Kai ayto erxetai ws epixeirhma apo th EUROSTAT, dioti qewrei oti etsi prepei na ektimwntai aytes oi ypodomes. Enw, sthn Ellada, opws gnwrizete, den symbainei ayto. Einai teleiws diaforetikh h logikh toy '80 apo th logikh toy 2007 se o,ti afora ta akinhta. Qa sebastoyme thn apoch ths EUROSTAT. Den shmainei oti einai laqos ta stoixeia poy doqhkan. H ektimhsh poy eixe doqei gia thn apotypwsh twn ariqmwn, gia thn ajia, htan A', h EUROSTAT dinei mia diaforetikh ektimhsh. Exoyme mia poly kalh synergasia mazi toys. Den yparxei prospaqeia na dhmioyrghqoyn alles entypwseis. Den wfelei oyte blaptei se tipota h apotypwsh ths pragmatikothtas kai en pash periptwsei twn stoixeiwn etsi opws ta yioqetei h armodia Eyrwpaikh Yphresia, h EUROSTAT. Den shmainei oti ypotimatai to ergo ths Eqnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias. Kai nomizw oti ayto prokyptei kai apo thn poly kalh synergasia poy yparxei metajy ths mias kai ths allhs yphresias.

RABANOS: Ean doyme, omws, me bash th xqesinh ejelijh kai thn apofash ths EUROSTAT, se apolytoys ariqmoys parathroyme oti ektos apo th meiwsh toy AEP exoyme ayjhsh toy dhmosioy xreoys kai toy elleimmatos. Qelw na sas rwthsw: Prwton, tiqetai se kindyno o stoxos ths dhmosionomikhs ejisorrophshs ews to 2010; Kai deyteron, ean pisteyete oti ayto qa symparasyrei kai allages sth forologia me endexomenh ayjhsh toy FPA kata mia monada h dyo; Eyxaristw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, exei doqei apanthsh kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Paramenei h idia apanthsh. Se o,ti afora to prwto, o stoxos einai gnwstos gia to 2010. Me bash to prosxedio toy Proypologismoy, proxwroyme kai plhsiazoyme se ayto to stoxo. Ara, loipon, pisteyw oti efoson thrhqei o Proypologismos toy 2008 kai toy 2009 sth synexeia, me ton tropo ton opoio exoyme hdh diatypwsei -kai ennow ton exei diatypwsei sto geniko toy plaisio o Prwqypoyrgos, alla kai se eidikotera plaisia o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn- den yparxei aytos o kindynos gia ton opoio me rwthsate.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ean kai exoyn ginei orismenes dhlwseis qa parakaloysa na topoqethqeite kai eseis epanw sto qema poy exei aytes tis hmeres dhmioyrghsei entypwsh me tis dhlwseis toy k. Nimits, oson afora ton Mega Alejandro kai qa hqela na moy peite ean h Ellada qa synexisei na yposthrizei to rolo toy k. Nimits sthn prospaqeia gia epilysh toy Skopianoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimaste ekeinoi oi opoioi qeloyme thn epilysh toy zhthmatos aytoy. Exoyme kanei kinhseis sthn kateyqynsh ayth kai malista kinhseis poy nomizw oti einai epainetes. Sto prwto skelos toy erwthmatos sas, qa shmeiwsw oti me kalyptei apolyta ayto poy eipe h k. Mpakogiannh xqes, ejerxomenh toy Proedrikoy Megaroy.

KWSNTANTINIDHS: Oson afora to rolo toy k. Nimits, h Ellada qa ton yposthrijei h qa diamartyrhqei ston OHE;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia topoqethsh gia th sygkekrimenh apostrofh, thn opoia qa xarakthrize kaneis atyxh. Apo ekei kai pera, den nomizw oti xreiazetai na poyme kati perissotero.

KAKALHS: An den kanw laqos h kybernhsh exei eggracei esoda ston proypologismo 1,5 dis eyrw apo thn patajh toy laqremporioy sta kaysima, dhladh me to metro ths epibolhs eniaioy foroy sta kaysima. Ayta twra, kaqws oloi synomologoyn oti oyte apo thn prwth toy xronoy qa efarmostei ayto to metro giati h qa efarmostei sthn arxh h qa paei apo thn allh sezon. Ayto to 1,5 dis twra poios qa ta plhrwsei; Qa ginei ayjhsh toy FPA giati to afhsate kai ayto anoixto. Parapemcate sthn erwthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Qa ginei ayjhsh toy FPA kata 2 monades;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, o Proypologismos kai ta esoda h ta ejoda den logizontai apo ton Oktwbrio toy prohgoymenoy etoys alla apo ton Ianoyario. Ara loipon, eimai bebaios oti exei yparjei h sxetikh pronoia otan ginontai ypologismoi. Den qymamai kai egw poio einai to akribes poso, alla exei yparjei h sxetikh pronoia gia to 12mhno, dhladh, to xeimwna toy 2008 kai to xeimwna apo to epomeno fqinopwro -Oktwbrio, Noembrio, Dekembrio- toy 2009. Mhn mperdeyomaste. O proypologismos toy 2008 isxyei apo ton Ianoyario ws ton Dekembrio toy 2008. Ayto isxye, ayto elege, ayto isxyei twra. An dhladh ta esoda yphrxan apo twra, apo fetos ton Oktwbrio den qa phgainan ston proypologismo toy 2008.

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to lete eseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, otan anakoinwqhke ayto to metro apo ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias, emeis eixame thn entypwsh oti eixe ginei h aparaithth proergasia, etsi wste na arxisei na efarmozetai apo twra. Telika den eixe ginei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa prohgoymenws oti proergasia gia to petrelaio, -gia to qema ayto to opoio einai synqeto- exei jekinhsei. Ekeino to opoio qa jekinhsei na ginetai apo thn 1/1/2008, einai h allagh toy tropoy ypologismoy, to eipame apo xqes ayto. Ta xrhmata de twn esodwn poy qa exei to Ellhniko Dhmosio qa entaxqoyn, opws eipa kai molis pro oligoy, ston Proypologismo toy 2008.

GKOYTZANHS: Apo thn arxh loipon htan etsi meqodeymeno wste na isxysei apo thn arxh toy 2008 oxi gia na arxisei na efarmozetai apo twra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H efarmogh afora, epanalambanw, to 2008. Opws allwste sas eipa kai prohgoymenws kai symboyleyomai kai tis shmeiwseis moy exontas milhsei me to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, problepei to prosxedio proypologismoy poy hdh exei katateqei. Aytos htan o sxediasmos apo thn arxh. To mono poy menei einai na kaqoristoyn texnikes leptomereies toy metroy. Sas ypenqymizw oti se synenteyjh Typoy thn 1h Oktwbrioy, o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn eixe tonisei ``ean einai efikto na efarmostei apo tis 15 Oktwbrioy, qa efarmostei apo tis 15 Oktwbrioy. An den einai efikto qa efarmostei argotera'' . To argotera einai apo thn 1h toy mhnos Ianoyarioy.

KYRITSHS: Diabazw oti synelhfqh h EL.AS. kai malista kaq ypotroph na parakoloyqei paranomws diadhlwseis me tis kameres diaxeirishs kykloforias, ths epiblhqh malista kai ena prostimo. Qelw na rwthsw giati den sebetai h astynomia to nomo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton na sas pw oti den kanei syllhceis kamia anejarthth arxh, gia na xrhsimopoioyme ta swsta rhmata. Deyteron to qema to exoyme janasyzhthsei sthn idia aiqoysa kai to qymaste.

KYRITSHS: Kai ayto akribws sas rwthsa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eixa pei kai tote oti askhqhke aithsh akyrwsews sto Symboylio Epikrateias kata ths apofashs ths Arxhs Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. H ypoqesh ekdikasthke ton Oktwbrio toy 2006 kai anamenetai h apofash h opoia mexri shmera den exei ekdoqei. To Septembrio toy 2006 h Ellhnikh Astynomia ypebale, parallhlws, erwthma ston eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy gia to idio qema. Anamenetai ws shmera h sxetikh gnwmh toy eisaggelea. Otan ekdoqoyn oi apofaseis h en pash periptwsei h prwth apo tis dyo poy ekdoqei  eite h apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias h h gnwmh toy eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy- qa efarmostei ayto poy leei.

KYRITSHS: Sto metajy den qa eprepe na apexei apo ayto; An ths epitrapei na kanei parakoloyqhseis na to kanei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei mia prosfygh me ton nomimo tropo kai strefetai enantion ths apofashs ths Arxhs. Perimenei loipon thn apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias kai thn apofash toy Areioy Pagoy. Opoia apo tis dyo apofaseis ekdoqei prwth qa efarmostei oti kai na leei.

GKOYTZANHS: Ypoqetw oti parakoloyqeite ta tektainomena sto xwro ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Nomizete apo ta osa symbainoyn ekei dhmioyrgeitai kapoios eyryteros kindynos gia to politiko systhma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti h Dhmokratia mas einai arketa isxyrh opws epishs, h dhmokratikh leitoyrgia twn kommatwn sth shmerinh Dhmokratia. Den qelw na kanw kanena sxolio poy na ypeiserxetai sta eswterika alloy kommatos. Alla an me rwtate- an orqws to katalaba- kata poso yparxei kindynos gia to politiko mas systhma, dhladh gia th dhmokratia mas, qewrw oti oxi.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi gia th Dhmokratia. Gia to politiko systhma eipa. H Dhmokratia einai eyryterh apo to dikommatiko politiko systhma endexomenws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti ypainisseste legontas ``an yparxei problhma''. Qewrw oti otan leitoyrgoyn dhmokratika ta kommata, ta opoia einai foreis ths Dhmokratias kai basikoi symmetoxoi ths Dhmokratias, den exei kapoios na fobhqei tipota.

NASOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw gi ayto poy molis eipate k. Ypoyrge, giati moy ekane entypwsh. H astynomia exei prosfygei sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias kai mexri na ekdoqei h apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias h mexri na exoyme mia gnwmodothsh apo thn Eisaggelia toy Areioy Pagoy qa efarmosei h th gnwmodothsh h thn apofash. Mexri tote den ypoxreoytai na efarmosei thn apofash ths Arxhs, estw kai an thn amfisbhtei; H apofash ths Arxhs yparxei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa prohgoymenws. O k. Kyritshs me rwthse to idio pragma.

NASOPOYLOS: Pantws, den einai sth diakritikh ths eyxereia na perimenei to Symboylio ths Epikrateias ton Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Se ena allo qema. Apotelei protash ths kybernhshs gia thn allagh toy dioikhtikoy xarth ths xwras h sygxwneysh twn nomwn se 16 apo 52, twn dhmwn se 400 apo 1034 kai twn perifereiwn se 6 apo 13;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws me enhmerwse apo xqes -perimena apo xqes thn erwthsh- o armodios ypoyrgos k. Paylopoylos, ginontai syzhthseis, tis gnwrizete allwste. Den exei akomh yparjei kapoia apofash. Yparxoyn diafores skeceis oi opoies katatiqentai apo toys endiaferomenoys foreis, metexoyn se ayto nomizw h KEDKE, h ENAE k.t.l.

KAKALHS: Einai protash toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn ayth poy anefera kai eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Den nomizw oti einai protash toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn. H apanthsh thn opoia exw apo to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn einai ayth poy sas eipa oti den yparxei kanenos eidoys apofash. Akoygontai diafores skeceis.

Sas eyxaristw.


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