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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 4 Dekembrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 44472488

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Dekembrioy 2006

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs synantatai, ayth thn wra, me ton Italo omologo toy k. Romano Pronti. Meta thn oloklhrwsh ths synanthshs, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraqesei geyma ergasias pros timhn toy k. Pronti kai ths italikhs antiproswpeias. Stis 15:00 o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs kai o Prwqypoyrgos ths Italias k. Romano Pronti qa egkainiasoyn thn ekqesh ``Myqoi kai arxetypa sth Mesogeio'' sto Byzantino kai Xristianiko Moyseio.

" Ayrio, Trith 5 Dekembrioy kai wra 11:00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, me qemata armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn.

" Ejalloy, ayrio to brady stis 20:00, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa milhsei sto Synedrio toy Ellhnoamerikanikoy Emporikoy Epimelhthrioy, me qema ``H wra ths Ellhnikhs Oikonomias''.

" H meiwsh toy elleimmatos kai oi ychloi ryqmoi anaptyjhs poy epitygxanei h shmerinh kybernhsh, epitrepoyn na proxwrhsoyme sth deyterh fash ths forologikhs metarryqmishs. Ayth h fash ths forologikhs metarryqmishs, afora th forologia eisodhmatos fysikwn proswpwn. Ylopoioyme tis desmeyseis mas. Kaqe xrono oi polites qa plhrwnoyn oloena kai ligoteroys foroys. Wfeloyntai pleon oles oi kathgories forologoymenwn, kyriws omws ta xamhla kai ta mesaia eisodhmata. H forologikh metarryqmish epistrefei stoys polites toys karpoys mias megalhs prospaqeias, mias synepoys kai apotelesmatikhs politikhs gia thn oikonomia. Bazoyme, me synepeia, tajh sta oikonomika toy kratoys. Mia akomh programmatikh desmeysh ginetai prajh.

Tria ekatommyria triakosies xiliades (3.300.000) sympolites mas, den qa plhrwnoyn oyte ena eyrw, xarh sthn ayjhsh toy aforologhtoy orioy poy apo to 2004 ayjhqhke kata 2.000 eyrw. Dyomisi ekatommyria (2.500.000) peripoy forologoymenoi, me xamhla kai mesaia eisodhmata, qa plhrwnoyn, stadiaka apo to 2007 ews to 2009, ligoteroys foroys. Oloi oi syntajioyxoi wfeloyntai. Oi polites me anaphria wfeloyntai pollapla. Oi polyteknes mhteres den qa plhrwnoyn efejhs foro sto epidoma poy lambanoyn apo to kratos. Oloi oi Ellhnes naytikoi qa plhrwnoyn efejhs to miso kai ligotero foro, ejaitias ths analoghs meiwshs toy forologikoy syntelesth. Oi enoikiastes qa plhrwnoyn pleon xamhlotero enoikio, logw ths katarghshs toy teloys xartoshmoy, enw eynooyntai taytoxrona kai oi idiokthtes twn akinhtwn. Me liga logia, h forologikh metarryqmish afora oloys toys Ellhnes.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dedomenoy oti logw twn hmerwn, exoyme mpei sthn eortastikh periodo, qelw na sas rwthsw, an h kybernhsh exei ginei koinwnos twn diamartyriwn twn emporwn kai twn biotexnwn gia problhmata efodiasmoy en ocei ths eortastikhs periodoy, ejaitias ths katastashs poy epikratei sta limania toy Peiraia kai ths Qessalonikhs.

ANTWNAROS: Exw milhsei polles fores tis teleytaies hmeres gia ta limania kai th megalh prospaqeia thn opoia kataballei h shmerinh kybernhsh, wste oi yphresies poy parexontai sta megala limania ths xwras, na ginoyn akomh pio apotelesmatikes, wste kai oi polites -- katanalwtes na wfeloyntai kai h oikonomia ths xwras mas, synolika, na exei ta ofelh poy prepei na exei. Exei diapistwqei edw kai poly kairo, opws gnwrizete, apo thn agora alla kai apo oloys mas, h anagkh gia mia akomh kalyterh leitoyrgia twn megalwn limaniwn ths xwras. Kai gnwrizete epishs oti o armodios kai epifortismenos me ton sygkekrimeno tomea politikhs, Ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias k. Kefalogiannhs, brisketai se synexh dialogo me oloys toys endiaferomenoys, wste ayth h kybernhtikh proqesh, dhladh na beltiwqoyn oi yphresies poy parexontai apo ta limania, pros ofelos olwn mas, na ginei prajh. Aytos o dialogos synexizetai.

SIDERHS: Kales oi proeklogikes sas ejaggelies sthn arxh, gia ta forologika. Peste mas ti kanei h kybernhsh me to qema ths SIEMENS. Boa o topos sth Germania. Hdh exei katateqei oti 8  10 toy ethsioy tziroy ths ellhnikhs SIEMENS phgaine edw gia mizes, prokeimenoy na parei erga gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Ti exete kanei gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Eixa erwthqei kai prin apo liges meres kai sas eixa pei ayto poy qa epanalabw kai shmera, oti h Ellhnikh Politeia, dia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, kat' arxhn qa syndramei se opoiodhpote aithma gia thn plhrh dialeykansh twn ptyxwn ths en logw ypoqeshs.

SIDERHS: Safws qa syndramei se opoiodhpote aithma. Ek meroys ths kybernhshs yparxei aithma na labei gnwsh twn pragmatwn; An h kybernhsh exei kapoio aithma.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti ta qemata ayta einai qemata Dikaiosynhs. Efoson yparjei kati neotero, oson afora thn kybernhsh, pera apo osa sas eipa, qa sas enhmerwsw.

SARANTAKOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema me ta limania me dedomeno kai thn katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei, yparxei programmatismenh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Ypoyrgo Emporikhs Naytilias prokeimenoy na analhfqei mia prwtoboylia gia thn ektonwsh ths entashs kai na epanelqei h agora stoys kanonikoys ryqmoys;

ANTWNAROS: To qema to xeirizetai o armodios Ypoyrgos.

SARANTAKOS: Aplws gia th synanthsh me ton Karamanlh;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kati ayth th stigmh pros anakoinwsh.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ki egw sta limania qelw na meinw. Akoysa prin th dhlwsh sas oti h kybernhsh kataballei prospaqeia gia na leitoyrgoyn kalytera ta limania. Wstoso, sth sygkekrimenh periodo, leitoyrgoyn mallon xeirotera ta limania kai den exw akoysei akomh thn kybernhsh na pei ti ftaiei. Ftaine oi ergazomenoi; Ftaiei to neo kaqestws; Ftaine oi xeirismoi toy Ypoyrgoy; Ti ftaiei epiteloys kai ta limania antimetwpizoyn ayta ta sobara problhmata;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe megalh metarryqmistikh prospaqeia, poy stoxeyei sto na allajoyn orismena pragmata pros to kalytero, einai fysiko na prokalei orismenes antidraseis. Eipa kai thn perasmenh ebdomada kai den to lew kaqoloy epikritika pros esas kyrie Xiwth, to epanalambanw aplws giati den hsastan edw, oti yparxoyn kai orismenes paranohseis endexomenws. Ginetai pollh koybenta gia mia idiwtikopoihsh twn limaniwn. Tetoio qema den yfistatai. Opws den yfistatai qema apwleias h meiwshs, an qelete, twn ergasiakwn dikaiwmatwn oswn ergazontai hdh sta limania. Synepws, oi anhsyxies oi opoies ekdhlwnontai, qa elega oti einai abasimes. Gi` ayto akribws kai synexizetai o dialogos apo ton k. Kefalogiannh kai apo ta ypoloipa melh ths politikhs hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias, wste opoy yparxoyn qemata pros dieykrinish, gia thn paroxh perissoterwn leptomereiwn, akribws ayta ta qemata na syzhthqoyn se baqos. Kai qa hqela na prosqesw oti: Ginetai oti prepei na ginei, wste eypaqh proionta -- kai den einai tosa polla -- ta opoia fqanoyn sta megala limania ths xwras, xwris kindynoys, grhgora na prowqoyntai pros ta shmeia pwlhsews.

XIWTHS: Milhsate gia dialogo me toys foreis, o opoios, an den kanw laqos, exei hdh oloklhrwqei kai den paragei apotelesmata. To erwthma moy einai, efoson oi epifylajeis poy qetoyn oi foreis poy ergazontai kai drasthriopoioyntai sta limania den airontai kai to problhma paramenei, h kybernhsh qa epimeinei ews teloys s` ayth thn prospaqeia, oxi idiwtikopoihshs, to dexomai kai egw, ekxwrhshs ths diaxeirishs twn limaniwn. Qa epimeinei h kybernhsh me kindyno na exoyme megalytera problhmata thn periodo twn eortwn;

ANTWNAROS: H anagkh gia megales ependyseis sta limania ths xwras etsi wste ayta na antapokriqoyn ston triplo kai se orismenes periptwseis kai pentaplo ogko kata thn ejyphrethsh twn konteiner, einai dedomenh. Oi ependyseis aytes prepei na ginoyn me ton tropo poy ginontai se oles sxedon tis xwres toy kosmoy. O dialogos den exei oloklhrwqei, to epanalambanw. O dialogos synexizetai kai eimai bebaios oti enas dialogos poy diejagetai metajy dyo pleyrwn poy qeloyn na ejeyreqei lysh, paragei kai apotelesmata.

BLAXOS: Pws aisqaneste twra poy qa exete apenanti sas ton k. Petro Eyqymioy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kanena sxolio. Prokeitai gia eswkommatika qemata toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

KAKALHS: H skiwdhs kybernhsh toy k. Papandreoy mporei na sprwjei thn kybernhsh na proxwrhsei pio grhgora sthn efarmogh ths politikhs ths me dedomeno oti exete thn idia politikh se meizona qemata opws thn Anaqewrhsh toy Arqroy 16, to Asfalistiko klp.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa symfwnhsw mazi sas me thn ajiologhsh thn opoia kanete. H kybernhsh proxwrei sthn ylopoihsh toy programmatos ths, opws allwste sas eipa kai eisagwgika, se sxesh me th forologikh metarryqmish, me ena ryqmo poy antapokrinetai stis desmeyseis tis opoies exei analabei kai poy epitrepei stoys Ellhnes polites na wfeloyntai apo aytes akribws tis metarryqmiseis. O ryqmos ths shmerinhs kybernhshs den ejartatai apo ejwterikoys paragontes san aytoys poy anaferate.

GKOYTZANHS: Otan lete gia to dialogo sta limania, oti qa synexistei, exei kapoio orio h qa synexistei opws kai o dialogos sthn Paideia mexri kai opote;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa exei pei o Ypoyrgos k. Kefalogiannhs.

BLAXOS: Ayta ta opoia twra xeirizetai, opws ta xeirizetai o k. Kefalogiannhs, einai kentrikh politikh epilogh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti o k. Kefalogiannhs xeirizetai ta qemata ths limenikhs politikhs. Ayto ta leei ola.

BLAXOS: Epeidh milhsate gia metarryqmish, rwtw: H metarryqmish poy ginetai apo thn pleyra toy k. Kefalogiannh sta limania, poy epixeireitai na ginei, einai kentrikh epilogh ths kybernhshs h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Blaxo, exw apanthsei kai einai safes ayto to opoio eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dedomenoy oti h katastash sta limania einai ekryqmh kai epeidh toylaxiston h eikona poy dinete kai anaparagetai ston Typo einai pws yparxei diastash Ypoyrgwn gia ton tropo xeirismoy ek meroys toy k. Kefalogiannh toy zhthmatos aytoy. Yparxei h aisqhsh kai qa hqela na moy apanthsete ep` aytoy, to gegonos oti den synantatai h toylaxiston den ginetai mia synanthsh estw sto problepto mellon me ton Prwqypoyrgo, ayto den dinei thn entypwsh oti o armodios Ypoyrgos einai akalyptos gia ton tropo poy xeirizetai;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi. Otan yparjei kapoia synanthsh, qa sas gnwstopoihqei.

PALAIOLOGOS: To qema einai na ginei h synanthsh twra poy ypotiqetai oti yparxei ena problhma se ejelijh, se mia katastash se ejelijh.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti an ginei ayrio, meqayrio mia synanthsh, qa breite kapoion allo tropo na ths dwsete diaforetikh ermhneia. O k. Kefalogiannhs einai o epifortismenos Ypoyrgos sta plaisia twn armodiothtwn toy na xeiristei ta qemata ths limenikhs politikhs. Kai eimai apolyta safhs se ayto to opoio lew.

GKOYTZANHS: Exei ypoblhqei omws aithma apo ton k. Kefalogiannh gia synanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Efoson yparjei synanthsh, qa enhmerwqeite.

MAYRIDHS: Egw qa hqela na epanelqw sto arxiko erwthma gia th Siemens. Eipate oti h ellhnikh Politeia qa syndramei se opoiodhpote aithma. Ayto shmainei oti exei jekinhsei h synergasia twn ellhnikwn arxwn me tis germanikes; Kai ean exei jekinhsei ayth h synergasia, qa hqela na rwthsw, epeidh oi germanikes arxes diaqetoyn ena sygkekrimeno katalogo me onomata anqrwpwn poy eneplakhsan sthn ypoqesh, ta opoia exei dwsei o manatzer ths Siemens, an ta exete kai eseis kai an protiqeste na ta dwsete sth dhmosiothta.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati se osa sas eipa, pera apo th diapistwsh oti osa moy anaferete einai dhmosiografikes plhrofories.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Tsitoyridhs se mia synenteyjh toy eipe oti ws to telos ths tetraetias qa yparjei protash ths kybernhshs gia katwtato eggyhmeno eisodhma. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean einai epejergasmenh ayth h protash, ean exei syzhthqei se kapoia kybernhtikh epitroph kai me poio tropo qa oristei poioi qa einai oi dikaioyxoi; Mhpws sthn Ellada ths forodiafyghs me thn eilikrinh toys forologikh dhlwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati se osa exei pei o Ypoyrgos k. Tsitoyridhs.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na sas rwthsw kati. Ypenqymizw aplws oti h Nea Dhmokratia kai o k. Karamanlhs proswpika, eixan kanei shmaia proeklogika kai meteklogika to qema ths diafaneias kai toy xtyphmatos ths diaplokhs kai olwn twn synafwn qematwn. Den exei thn periergeia h kybernhsh na brei poioi Ellhnes einai mplegmenoi mesa sthn istoria ths SIEMENS;

ANTWNAROS: Osa qemata exoyn sxesh me th dikastikh diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs aforoyn th Dikaiosynh. Ekana mia topoqethsh ek meroys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai den nomizw oti yparxei kaneis, poy na exei amfibolia oti ayth h kybernhsh se qemata diafaneias kai katapolemhshs ths diaplokhs paei baqia mexri to kokalo.

BLAXOS: Mas lete xwris na mas lete, oti h kybernhsh me kapoio tropo parakoloyqei to qema kai enhmerwnetai synexws; Ayto mas lete;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati allo epi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos.

MAYRIDHS: Ep` aytoy. Eipate prohgoymenws oti ayta poy anefera sthn erwthsh moy einai dhmosiografikes plhrofories. Ayto shmainei oti den tis yioqeteite aytes tis plhrofories; Den tis gnwrizete; Den yparxei...

ANTWNAROS: Mia aplh diapistwsh ekana. Tipote allo.

MAYRIDHS: Giati ayta edw pera, einai stoixeia ta opoia exoyn doqei stis germanikes arxes kai efoson h ellhnikh kybernhsh synergazetai me tis germanikes arxes tote nomizw oti tis gnwrizei.

ANTWNAROS: Oles oi kybernhseis synergazontai metajy toys basei sygkekrimenhs diadikasias h opoia einai qesmoqethmenh. Den exw na pw kati allo panw s` ayto.

MAYRIDHS: Den to eipate prohgoymenws, den eipate gia synergasia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti oi kybernhseis -- genika anaferomai -- synergazontai metajy toys se olo ton kosmo, basei qesmoqethmenwn diadikasiwn.

BLAXOS: Ayth h synergasia, sto sygkekrimeno qema, th stigmh poy milame, yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Otan exw kati neotero qa sas pw.

SARANTAKOS: Sto qema twn xeirismwn toy k. Kefalogiannh gia thn ypoqesh twn limaniwn, profanws o k. Kefalogiannhs htan ekeinos poy epeleje to xrono prowqhshs ths metarryqmishs; Na to kanei dhladh ligo prin ta Xristoygenna;

ANTWNAROS: Exw anaferqei ejantlhtika sto qema kai den exw na prosqesw kati.

SARANTAKOS: O xronos antilambaneste oti einai shmantiko shmeio gi` ayto kai epimenw.

ANTWNAROS: Kata thn antilhch sas.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, isws egw den katalaba kala, alla mexri stigmhs sas exw akoysei kai esas kai ton k. Roysopoylo otan milate gia mia metarryqmish na bebaiwnete panta oti einai kentrikh strathgikh ths kybernhshs. Shmera apo tis apanthseis poy exete dwsei mexri twra, alla kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, epimenete sth grammh oti oi metarryqmiseis, mallon h limenikh politikh einai stis armodiothtes toy Ypoyrgoy toy k. Kefalogiannh. Einai kati diaforetiko; Dhladh, tis metarryqmiseis aytes tis ypografei h kybernhsh h oxi; Giati den mas apantate eyqews;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos kata to sxhmatismo ths kybernhshs anaqetei sygkekrimenoys tomeis se kaqe enan Ypoyrgo jexwrista. Mesa sta plaisia ths kybernhshs, o kaqe Ypoyrgos analambanei to kommati twn metarryqmisewn poy toy antistoixei. Eipa, loipon, oti h limenikh politikh einai armodiothta toy Ypoyrgoy Emporikhs Naytilias toy k. Kefalogiannh. Mesa se ayta ta plaisia ekana th sxetikh anafora poy den epidexetai kamia amfisbhthsh.

KORAH: Wraia. Mporeite epishs na mas dieykrinisete ti afora telika ayth h metarryqmish afoy opws eipate prin den einai oyte h idiwtikopoihsh twn limaniwn, den einai oyte oi allages sto ergasiako kaqestws ei mh mono...

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakaloysa na diabasete ektenestates anafores tis opoies exei kanei o k. Kefalogiannhs h na apeyqynqeite ston idio. Egw aplws hqela na dieykrinisw oti dyo basika stoixeia askhshs kritikhs sto sygkekrimeno xwro einai xwris bash.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epimeinw ki egw s` ayto to qema. Ayta na dexqoyme oti einai xwris bash. H ptwsh twn telwneiakwn esodwn sta limania den einai xwris bash. Einai stoixeia poy an qelete mporeite na mas ferete ki eseis edw. H ptwsh...

ANTWNAROS: Proswpika den ekana kamia anafora se ptwsh twn telwneiakwn esodwn.

XIWTHS: Ayto sas rwtw, loipon. Sygkekrimena problhmata poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei, opws einai h ptwsh twn telwneiakwn esodwn, opws einai h ptwsh toy tziroy sthn agora kai o kindynos anaprosarmoghs twn timwn en ocei twn Xristoygennwn, einai problhmata poy apasxoloyn thn kybernhsh h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei oti ola ayta ta qemata poy aforoyn sth limenikh politikh qa lyqoyn me dialogo. Kamia metarryqmish den einai eykolh diadikasia.

XIWTHS: An prospaqhsoyme na parallhlisoyme th metarryqmish ayth sta limania me alles metarryqmiseis, qymamai ton Prwqypoyrgo na leei ``Den moy kostizei na perimenw na ejantlhqei o dialogos prokeimenoy na petyxw th megalyterh dynath synainesh''. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh h apwleia xronoy kostizei. Ayto einai to prwto erwthma moy. Ean sas apasxolei to kostos poy dhmioyrgei h anazhthsh ths synaineshs kai deyteron, mexri pote h kybernhsh qa epimeinei sto dialogo, me apotelesma ayta ta megeqh synexws na dysxerainontai.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas diabasw mia dhlwsh thn opoia ekane thn Paraskeyh o k. Kefalogiannhs. ``O dialogos poy exei jekinhsei einai anoiktos, den yparxoyn oroi, proypoqeseis h xronika periqwria. Stoxos einai, ths metarryqmishs, na kalyfqoyn ta anaptyjiaka elleimmata toy OLP kai na doqei prooptikh anaptyjhs'', prosqetw egw, se baqos xronoy.

XIWTHS: Apanthse kaqoloy sta erwthmata poy eqesa;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

XIWTHS: Se poio shmeio apanta, as poyme, gia to pws qa antimetwpisei thn ptwsh twn telwneiakwn esodwn h ton kindyno anatimhsewn;

ANTWNAROS: As mh biazomaste. As doyme thn ejelijh toy dialogoy.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei diastash apocewn metajy twn kybernhsewn Ellados  Kyproy oson afora toys xeirismoys gia ta ellhnotoyrkika;

ANTWNAROS: H k. Mpakogiannh, meta thn oloklhrwsh twn synomiliwn poy eixe thn perasmenh Paraskeyh me thn kypriakh hgesia sth Leykwsia, dhlwse, metajy allwn: ``H Ellada kai h Kypros exoyn mia synexh synergasia kai syntonismo stis kinhseis toys kai proetoimazomaste''. Ennooyse tis dyo kybernhseis. Kai synexise: ``Eimaste sthn arxh mias makras diapragmateyshs kai megalhs diaboyleyshs, h opoia qa ginei me koryfwsh eite sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn se epipedo YPEJ, eite sto Symboylio Koryfhs, pleon, ton Dekembrio, poy qa metexoyn oi Proedroi kai oi Prwqypoyrgoi''. Ayth h dhlwsh ths k. Mpakogiannh, deixnei poso stenh einai h synergasia metajy twn dyo kybernhsewn.

KAKALHS: Exei ypoch ths h kybernhsh kapoia gallo-germanikh prwtoboylia poy syndeei th lysh toy Kypriakoy me mia 18mhnh anastolh twn entajiakwn diapragmateysewn Toyrkias  Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: Kai poia qesh exei se ayto to qema h kybernhsh; Ean symfwnei me th diasyndesh toy Kypriakoy me thn entajiakh poreia ths Toyrkias.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti briskomaste -- opws eipe allwste kai h k. Mpakogiannh  se ena stadio leptwn diaboyleysewn, leptwn antallagwn apocewn, mexri to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn thn allh ebdomada kai to Symboylio Koryfhs, liges meres argotera. As perimenoyme thn ejelijh aytwn twn diaboyleysewn. H kybernhsh den topoqeteitai me perissotera logia se ayto to poly shmantiko diasthma antallaghs apocewn metajy twn ``25'' etairwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

KAKALHS: Ma ayto einai mystikh diplwmatia.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai qema mystikhs diplwmatias...

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, odhgoymeqa profanws se ena pagwma twn entajiakwn diapragmateysewn ths Toyrkias gia ena makry diasthma;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, h apofash thn perasmenh ebdomada toy Kolegioy twn Epitropwn, einai mia bash gia diapragmateysh. Briskomaste se ena poly lepto stadio antallaghs apocewn prin apo thn oloklhrwsh toy opoioy, oyte xrhsimo einai, oyte wfelimo, oyte skopimo na ginontai epipleon dhlwseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas eipate oti yparxei synexhs synergasia kai syntonismos energeiwn. Ayto de shmainei oti yparxei kai taytish apocewn.

ANTWNAROS: Milame gia dyo kybernhseis kratwn  melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Giati epikentrwneste se mia lejh; Shmasia exei oti h synergasia einai poly stenh, h antallagh apocewn, einai epishs poly stenh, yparxei, an qelete, koinos bhmatismos, koinh qewrhsh twn pragmatwn. Ayto einai poy metraei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Sas eixa rwthsei kai thn perasmenh ebdomada. Se ayth th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis Bryjelles gia to qema to oti apotelei bash gia diapragmateysh. Yparxei antiqeth apoch apo thn kypriakh kybernhsh. Sas to eixa anaferei kai thn perasmenh ebdomada. Epomenws, yparxei h den yparxei diastash apocewn; Ayto einai ena aplo erwthma.

ANTWNAROS: As perimenoyme na ftasoyme sthn oloklhrwsh aytwn twn diaboyleysewn.

BLAXOS: Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh o allhlosparagmos ston syndikalistiko xwro ths Astynomias;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai kati poy afora thn kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Afora thn asfaleia twn politwn.

ANTWNAROS: Qemata poy ejelissontai, san ayta poy anaferete, sto xwro to syndikalismoy den aforoyn thn kybernhsh.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa sas metaferw ti leei to reportaz se sxesh me ta limania. To reportaz se sxesh me ta limania leei oti o k. Kefalogiannhs den eixe thn egkrish toy Megaroy Majimoy oyte gia to xrono, oyte gia ton tropo. Kai otan lew xrono, ennow oti enhrghse prin ta Xristoygenna, mia periodo poy h agora exei poly megalh anagkh trofodosias. Otan lew gia ton tropo, ennow oti anakoinwqhke mesw toy OLP h diadikasia ths idiwtikopoihshs ths fortoekfortwshs, xwris na prohghqei sygkekrimenos dialogos me toys ergazomenoys sthn fortoekfortwsh. Qelw na rwthsw an aytoi oi dyo xeirismoi, o xronos prin ta Xristoygenna kai o tropos, h anakoinwsh mesw toy OLP, eginan katopin synennohshs me to Prwqypoyrgiko Grafeio h an htan prwtoboylia toy idioy toy Ypoyrgoy, o opoios gnwrizw oti xeirizetai th limenikh politikh ths xwras.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti o armodios Ypoyrgos xeirizetai th limenikh politikh ths xwras. Ean den einai safes ti shmainei ayto poy sas lew, tolmw na ypoqesw oti prospaqeite na deite diastaseis apocewn ekei opoy den yparxoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Hqela na rwthsw se sxesh me to Asfalistiko. Proxqes o k. Mhtsotakhs epanelabe gia mia akomh fora tis gnwstes apoceis toy gia th meiwsh twn syntajewn kai thn ayjhsh toy orioy hlikias. Apo thn pleyra toy, o k. Tsitoyridhs apanthse. Alla h aisqhsh moy einai oti qa paei to Asfalistiko gia meta tis ekloges; Dhladh oti qa exoyme meiwsh twn syntajewn kai ayjhsh toy orioy hlikias amesws meta tis ekloges se periptwsh poy epaneklegei ayth h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei dia toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy me apolyth safhneia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ma to afhnete gia thn epomenh 4etia.

ANTWNAROS: Diabaste parakalw tis dhlwseis toy k. Tsitoyridh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Anoikto to afhnei.

ANTWNAROS: Dikh sas ektimhsh h opoia den antapokrinetai sta pragmata.

KAKALHS: Ep' aytoy, o k. Tsitoyridhs afhse anoikto to endexomeno na allajei o tropos ypologismoy stis syntajeis, pragma poy qa odhghsei se meiwsh twn syntajewn. Eipe oti einai qema dialogoy. Ayto akribws eipe.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Tsitoyridhs exei kanei shmera dieykrinistikh dhlwsh sxetika me orismena qemata ta opoia toy apodoqhkan kai den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Anaferqhke se oti afora thn apwleia eisforwn kai diafora alla synafh qemata.

Sas eyxaristw.

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