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Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-10-23

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

GENIKH GRAMMATEIA EPIKOINWNIAS

GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 23 Oktwbrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 36459788

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 23 Oktwbrioy 2006

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

" Oloklhrwqhkan xqes, opws gnwrizoyme oloi, oi dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges. Qa hqela, ek meroys ths kybernhshs, na sygxarw osoys epeleghsan apo tis topikes koinwnies. Oi ekloges diejhxqhkan me ypodeigmatiko tropo kai ola kylhsan omala, xwris idiaitera problhmata. Qa sas dwsw merika xrhsima stoixeia: Ta eklogika tmhmata ston prwto gyro htan 24.744 kai sto deytero gyro 9.740. To pososto symmetoxhs stis nomarxiakes ekloges, ston prwto gyro, kinhqhke sto 72,4% (to 2002 to antistoixo pososto htan 72,7%) kai sto deytero gyro sto 56,8% (to antistoixo toy 2002, htan 66,48%). Gia tis dhmotikes ekloges, ston prwto gyro to pososto kinhqhke sto 72,4% (69,4% htan to 2002) kai sto deytero gyro 64,6% (72,6% htan to 2002). Synolika kai stoys dyo gyroys kriqhkan 54 nomarxies kai 1.034 Organismoi Topikhs Aytodioikhshs A' baqmoy, dhladh 914 dhmoi kai 120 koinothtes. H eklogh oloklhrwqhke apo ton prwto gyro se 43 nomarxies kai 787 dhmoys kai koinothtes, enw epanalhptikes ekloges diejhxqhkan se epta nomarxies kai 247 dhmoys.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 11.00, exei kalesei na synanthqei me ekproswpoys ths DOE kai ths OLME, paroysia ths Ypoyrgoy Paideias k. Mariettas Giannakoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h Etaireia Strathgikwn Analysewn kai Meletwn, poy edreyei sthn Politeia ths Birtzinia, kykloforhse mia meleth thn perasmenh Pempth, sthn opoia, metajy twn allwn, to keimeno anaferei oti Ellhnokyprioi kai Ellhnes stratiwtes poy aixmalwtisthkan kata thn eisbolh toy Attila to 1974, katelhjan sta mystika ergasthria toy toyrkikoy stratoy, opoy xrhsimopoihqhkan ws peiramatozwa. Ta bioxhmika ergasthria elegxontai, opws leei h anakoinwsh, apo thn hgesia twn toyrkikwn Enoplwn Dynamewn kai ypagontai sth Stratiwtikh Iatrikh Akadhmia. Qa hqela ena sxoliasmo. Einai foberh h eidhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na enhmerwqw peraiterw kai apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn -to opoio fantazomai einai se synergasia kai gi` ayto to qema me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths Kyproy- kai na sas kanw mia dhlwsh ayrio.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dyo erwthseis exw: H mia afora thn ayrianh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ayto shmainei oti qa yparjei kapoia prwtoboylia, kapoia protash, kapoia nea protash qa mpei sto trapezi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qelw na prokatalabw th syzhthsh. Qelw na jekaqarisw oti oi qeseis ths kybernhshs einai dedomenes kai tis exete akoysei polles fores apo emena se ayth thn aiqoysa. Den exei allajei tipote.

KORAH: To deytero erwthma moy: Exei parei h kybernhsh to mhnyma poy esteile o qessalikos kampos; Poy apodidete eseis thn apwleia kai toy nomoy Magnhsias kai thn apotyxia ths koinwnikhs synergasias, politikhs, poy eixe ekei h Nea Dhmokratia me to KKE;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw topoqethqei jekaqara apo thn perasmenh ebdomada se sxesh me tis dhmotikes ekloges opws allwste kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Den protiqemai na pw tipote perissotero.

BLAXOS: Einai profanes, oti o k. Karamanlhs sthn ayrianh synanthsh qa exei kapoia protash na kanei. Mhpws exete thn eygenh kalosynh na mas proideasete gia thn protash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den einai profanes. Ekeino to opoio qa hqela na sas pw, einai oti me poly sebasmo sto leitoyrghma toy daskaloy kai toy kaqhghth, h kybernhsh ejantlwntas kaqe periqwrio dialogoy, sto anwtero dynato epipedo: O idios o Prwqypoyrgos qa ejhghsei stoys daskaloys kai toys kaqhghtes giati h kybernhsh proxwrhse se aytes tis apofaseis se sxesh me thn oikonomikh katastash ths xwras. Qa toys zhthsei na epistrecoyn sta sxoleia kai ayto qa ginei -epanalambanw- sto anwtato dynato epipedo, akribws dioti pisteyoyme sto dialogo kai pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na einai apolytws jekaqaro pros oloys oti ta problhmata poy antimetwpizei shmera o topos sthn oikonomia, den einai problhmata poy mporoyn na lyqoyn dia mias kai den einai bebaiws problhmata ta opoia mporei kaneis na parablecei, prokeimenoy na ginei proskaira eyxaristos. Qeloyme loipon, jekaqara, koitwntas sta matia toys daskaloys kai toys kaqhghtes, na toys poyme oti aytes oi apofaseis poy exoyn lhfqei -kai tis opoies gnwrizoyn- einai apofaseis poy den elhfqhsan gia na talaipwrhqoyn oi daskaloi kai oi kaqhghtes, alla dioti aytes einai oi antoxes ths oikonomias. Kai ayto qa ginei, sto anwtato dynato epipedo, apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo.

BLAXOS: Dieykrinistikoy xarakthra, dhladh, h synanthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa xarakthrisw th synanthsh. Ayto eipa prohgoymenws: Den qa prokatalabw th syzhthsh, alla jekaqarisa taytoxronws oti oi qeseis ths kybernhshs einai dedomenes, exoyn dhladh anakoinwqei edw kai para poly kairo.

BLAXOS: Ennow, oti den qa zhthsei o k. Karamanlhs, den qa syzhthsei na broyn ``xrysh tomh'', ena bhma pisw...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa poies einai oi skeceis ths kybernhshs. Kai sas eipa oti sto anwtato dynato epipedo qa klhqoyn oi daskaloi kai oi kaqhghtes, analogizomenoi ayta ta opoia qa toys pei o Prwqypoyrgos, opws ta exei pei kai h Ypoyrgos Paideias, skeptomenoi oti den exoyme na kanoyme me mia apofash me to ``etsi qelw'', alla me mia apofash thn opoia epiballoyn oi oikonomikes synqhkes. Na gnwrizoyn apo ``prwto xeri'', apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, pws exei to problhma. Na gnwrizoyn h en pash periptwsei, na akoysoyn apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, thn paraklhsh ths kybernhshs na epistrecoyn.

BLAXOS: Qa zhthsete kai th syndromh se ayth thn prospaqeia sas toy k. Giwrgoy Papandreoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h kybernhsh ayth, meta apo dyomisi xronia, sxedon se oles tis metrhseis ths koinhs gnwmhs, exei terastia apodoxh akomh ston kosmo. Kai thn exei dioti exei protimhsei na pei thn alhqeia kai exei protimhsei tis jekaqares politikes. Den exei anagkh apo kanenan endiameso gia na synomilhsei eite me paragwgikes tajeis eite me syndikalistes eite me toys idioys toys polites. H kybernhsh ayth syzhta, dialegetai, apeyqeias me toys polites.

XIWTHS: Ma, molis thn perasmenh Trith, kyrie Ypoyrge, h Ypoyrgos Paideias ejhghse akribws ayta ta epixeirhmata stoys daskaloys kai stoys kaqhghtes. Qa exei kapoio allo tropo o Prwqypoyrgos na to ejhghsei h qewreite oti h peiqws toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai megalyterh apo ths Ypoyrgoy Paideias kai mono me ayto elpizete se termatismo twn kinhtopoihsewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai kai sebomai isws kai ton aifnidiasmo sas, oti mporei na sas jafniazei mia tetoia politikh. Qa sas pw omws oti einai mia politikh poy exei akoloyqhsei h Nea Dhmokratia. O Kwstas Karamanlhs osa xronia einai arxhgos ths Neas Dhmokratias kai osa xronia einai Prwqypoyrgos thn exei akoloyqhsei akribws me ton idio tropo. Sas qymizw, gia paradeigma, oti perysi synanthqhke me toys syntajioyxoys. Egine mia makra syzhthsh sthn opoia toys ejhghqhkan ta problhmata poy antimetwpizei h oikonomia kai oi dynatothtes poy exei h kybernhsh sto plaisio aytwn twn problhmatwn. Oi syntajioyxoi apo th mia den ikanopoihqhkan se sxesh me thn epilysh kapoiwn problhmatwn, ta opoia eixan ypobalei ws aithmata ekeinh th stigmh. Apo thn allh omws, gnwrizete oti dhlwsan ikanopoihmenoi apo to gegonos kai mono oti o Prwqypoyrgos syzhthse mazi toys, toys akoyse, toys eipe ta problhmata. Den perimenoyme oti qa dhlwsoyn oi daskaloi kai oi kaqhghtes ikanopoihmenoi kai qa teleiwsei ekei h ypoqesh. Emeis qeloyme sto anwtato dynato epipedo na jekaqaristei pros toys daskaloys kai toys kaqhghtes oti einai ta pragmata ths oikonomias, tetoia poy aytes tis kinhseis epiballoyn kai qa epebalan sthn opoiadhpote kybernhsh na kanei. Den einai dhladh mia antiparaqesh politikoy h proswpikoy xarakthra.

SIDERHS: Ap` ayto to bhma den qa dwsete eyxaristhrio kai sto PASOK poy sas ebgale apo th dyskolh qesh ths syzhthshs toy arqroy 16 thn Tetarth kai to syllalhthrio poy etoimazotan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinw sth dhlwsh thn opoia ekane o Proedros ths Epitrophs o k. Tragakhs, oti dhladh yphrje ena aithma apo toys boyleytes toy PASOK kai h kybernhsh, poy exei thn pleiochfia sth Boylh, den eixe kanena logo na dieykolynei h na mhn dieykolynei thn Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh.

SIDERHS: H kybernhsh den dieykolynqhke;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw gia poio logo to lete ayto. H kybernhsh, h Nea Dhmokratia, opws gnwrizete, exei jekaqarh qesh gia to arqro 16, edw kai para polla xronia. Kai se ayto, einai kai eytyxhs sygkyria oti sympiptei kai h apoch toy arxhgoy ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs shmera, toy k. Papandreoy, epishs edw kai para polla xronia.

KAKALHS: O k. Tragakhs sth dhlwsh toy den dieykrinise toys logoys gia toys opoioys h kybernhsh dieykolyne to PASOK. Mhpws qa qelate eseis na mas peite toys logoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas lew: Yphrje ena aithma  ayto leei kai o k. Tragakhs- kai h kybernhtikh pleiochfia den eixe logo na aporricei to aithma ayto.

KAKALHS: Milhse gia dieykolynsh o k. Tragakhs: ``Den eixame kanena logo na mhn dieykolynoyme... ''. Gia poioys logoys to kanate ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apeyqynqeite sto PASOK. Kapoioys logoys qa eixan poy zhthsan thn anabolh.

KAKALHS: Th stash ths kybernhshs afora, oxi to PASOK. Giati dieykolynate to PASOK sthn anabolh ths syzhthshs gia to arqro 16;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati qewroyme oti to qema ths Paideias einai para poly shmantiko gia na mh ginei h syzhthsh etsi opws prepei, sto xrono ton opoio prepei. An kapoio komma exei zhthma, problhma, aithma, opws problhqhke apo thn pleyra toy PASOK, wste na mh ginei syzhthsh s` ayth th xronikh stigmh, den exoyme kanena logo na mh to kanoyme.

KAKALHS: Perimenete kati apo thn prwtoboylia toy k. Papandreoy sto sygkekrimeno qema, ayth poy proanhggeile o idios xqes to brady;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den jerw an exei na kanei me to arqro 16 ayto to opoio moy lete.

KAKALHS: ... (Den akoygetai) gia thn Paideia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw, se ayto to erwthma poy moy eteqh, nomizw, apo ton k. Xiwth: H kybernhsh den exei anagkh apo kanenan endiameso gia na synomilhsei me toys Ellhnes polites.

SARANTAKOS: Na epistrecw sto qema ths ayrianhs synanthshs. Mexri prin apo liges hmeres, enw rwtoysame kai esas kai ton anaplhrwth sas, alla kai h k. Giannakoy nomizw exei topoqethqei, eixate pei oti den tiqetai qema h den exei programmatistei h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ekproswpoys twn daskalwn kai twn kaqhghtwn. Ti allaje kai programmatisthke ayth h synanthsh; Eidate oti synexizontai oi kinhtopoihseis; Perimenate na teleiwsoyn oi ekloges kai to klima na epanelqei pali se kanonikoys ryqmoys; Ti akribws allaje kai epelegh h sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh kai oxi as poyme, prin apo kairo, wste ean elpizete pragmati oti qa lyqei to qema na elyneto prin apo liges ebdomades;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti to erwthma qa mporoyse na teqei kai mia ebdomada meta thn enarjh ths apergias kai dyo kai treis kai oytw kaqejhs. Dioti einai diaxroniko ayto to ti allaje. Qa mporoyse na teqei kai thn trith hmera kiolas ths apergias. To antilambanomai ws erwthma dhmosiografikoy endiaferontos, alla qa sas pw oti prepei na sas kalycei h apanthsh oti h kybernhsh exei pragmatiko endiaferon na katanohsoyn sto dialogo kai oi daskaloi kai oi kaqhghtes, ta problhmata poy yparxoyn ayth th stigmh sthn oikonomia.

BLAXOS: Ayto to endiaferon, giati ekdhlwqhke dyo meres meta th lhjh twn eklogwn kai den ekdhlwqhke nwritera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mia hmera. Xqes elhjan oi ekloges.

BLAXOS: Moy dhmioyrgeite thn entypwsh oti den to kanate proeklogika, giati profanws qewroysate oti exei politikh skopimothta ayth h apergia. Ayth thn entypwsh moy dinete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Emplekete teleiws diaforetika pragmata metajy toys. Qa sas parapemcw sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to pws antilambanetai h kybernhsh tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges kai qa sas parapemcw stis apanthseis poy edwsa prin apo ligh wra, se sxesh me to dialogo, ton opoio h Nea Dhmokratia, apo thn prwth mera poy egine kybernhsh me tis paragwgikes tajeis, me toys foreis kai fysika me toys daskaloys kai toys kaqhghtes, oxi aplws ton leei, alla ton ennoei sthn prajh. Allwste, mhn jexnate, oti einai enas dialogos diarkhs, o opoios ginetai se epipedo ths armodias ypoyrgoy.

BLAXOS: Den moy dwsate apanthsh sto erwthma moy. Giati den to ekane ayto o Prwqypoyrgos toso kairo kai to kanei twra poy elhjan oi ekloges;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sas dwsw kamia apanthsh, dioti einai bebaio oti milame gia erwthsh krisews. Sthn krish sas egw den qa kanw allh krish.

BLAXOS: Oxi, einai erwthsh krisews gia ton Prwqypoyrgo. O Prwqypoyrgos ekrine na kanei ayth th synanthsh twra kai den thn ekane nwritera. Ara diereynoyme thn krish toy Prwqypoyrgoy, giati den to ekane nwritera kai to afhse na ginei twra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eiste eleyqeros na to kanete.

BLAXOS: Oxi, eseis na mas peite giati den to ekane.

SIDERHS: O dialogos proypoqetei oti oi dyo pleyres pane xwris prokatoxyrwmenes qeseis gia na broyn mia koinh synistamenh. Edw prokeitai peri anakoinwshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti ``den prokeitai na parete mia''. To onomazete dialogo ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan sthn oikiakh sas oikonomia exete ``A'' dynatothtes, antilambaneste oti den mporeite na phgainete na kanete ejoda gia ``deka A''. Nomizw oti ayto to opoio antilambanetai kaqe Ellhnas poliths, kaqe poliths aytoy toy kosmoy, den mporei na diastreblwnetai. Prepei loipon, na jekaqarisoyme apo thn arxh oti ayto poy lete eseis gia dialogo apo mhdenikh bash, se o,ti afora thn oikonomia, den mporei na ginei apo mhdenikh bash. Giati h oikonomia exei sygkekrimenes dynatothtes kai sygkekrimena problhmata. Ektos kai an zoyme se mia allh xwra, h opoia exei alles dynatothtes kai ligotera problhmata kai tote qa mporoyse kaneis na pei oti syzhtaei apo allh bash.

SIDERHS: Symfwnoi, alla kai eseis diastreblwnete thn ennoia toy dialogoy, thn ennoia ths lejhs. Ayto sas lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti me adikeite gia mia akomh fora. Kai me adikeite gia mia akomh fora, dioti enwpion sas, toylaxiston treis, tesseris fores prohgoymenws, epanelaba oti sto anwtato dynato epipedo, ayth h kybernhsh kanei ayto, to opoio isws fainotan parajeno -kai sas fainetai kai esas parajeno, ap` o,ti antilambanomai kai dexomai ws ek toytoy ayto to erwthma- kai den ekane kamia allh kybernhsh sto parelqon.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ypociazomai oti sthn ayrianh synanthsh, ektos apo to oikonomiko zhthma, to opoio einai kai meizon gia toys ekpaideytikoys, h syzhthsh qa einai -qa legame- ef` olhs ths ylhs, ef` olwn twn qematwn poy apasxoloyn kai th mia kai thn allh pleyra. Ara, anarwtiemai ean qa teqei kai to qema ths ajiologhshs twn ekpaideytikwn, mia poy qa paristatai kai h k. Giannakoy. Giati, ean den kanw laqos, h kybernhsh exei dwsei idiaiterh shmasia se ayto kai den fainetai na exei problhqei idiaitera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi kaqhghtes kai oi daskaloi einai eleyqeroi na topoqethqoyn epi olwn twn qematwn poy aforoyn thn Paideia. H kybernhsh exei hdh topoqethqei kai gnwrizete oti einai enas dialogos gi` ayta ta qemata o opoios ``trexei'' sxedon 24 mhnes. Enas dialogos o opoios ``trexei'' -epanalambanw- giati prepei kai h xwra mas na ``trejei'' kai na proftasei alles eyrwpaikes xwres se meizona zhthmata kai idiaitera sto qema ths ajiologhshs, sto opoio exoyme meinei para poly pisw.

SPYRAKH: Hqela na rwthsw, ean exete kanei ws kybernhsh politikh apotimhsh toy eklogikoy apotelesmatos twn nomarxiakwn kai dhmotikwn eklogwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ginei. Thn exei kanei, xqes, sth dhlwsh toy o Prwqypoyrgos. Thn ekane kai thn perasmenh Kyriakh.

MPOTSARAKOS: Ti prosdoka h kybernhsh apo thn ayrianh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys ekpaideytikoys; Pisteyei oti mporei na yparjei arsh toy adiejodoy na lyqei h apergia kai exei kati sygkekrimeno na proteinei sth bash twn aithmatwn twn ekpaideytikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Hdh sas eipa para polla gia to qema. Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero.

MPOTSARAKOS: Ti perimenete, omws, apo ayth th synanthsh; Den mas eipate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai dynaton na prokatalabw thn apoch twn daskalwn kai twn kaqhghtwn.

BLAXOS: Einai profanes oti me th synanthsh ayth ftanei sto anwtato politiko epipedo h diamaxh gia thn Paideia. Exete analogistei ti qa ginei ean oi daskaloi kai oi kaqhghtes den dexqoyn ta osa toys pei o Prwqypoyrgos kai apanthsoyn oti nai, kala mas ta lete, alla emeis qewroyme oti ta problhmata mas einai megala, ta aithmata mas einai dikaia kai synexizoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, ti einai; Apo ekei kai pera th skytalh thn pairnei o laos na krinei ean h kybernhsh mporei na proxwrhsei se ayth th metarryqmish; Dhladh, ennow mporei na einai mesa sthn atzenta to qema twn prowrwn eklogwn h enos dhmochfismatos gia to qema ths Paideias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, oytws h allws ola ta krinei o laos, giati o laos parakoloyqei energa to politiko gignesqai. Oson afora sto deytero skelos, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti otan o idios o Prwqypoyrgos exei epanalabei sth dhlwsh toy thn perasmenh Kyriakh gia ekloges to 2008, parelkei na pw otidhpote perissotero.

BLAXOS: Dhmochfisma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

SARANTAKOS: To eipate kai prohgoymenws oti o Prwqypoyrgos kanei synanthseis me koinwnikes omades. Ti qa peite ean se ligo kairo mia allh koinwnikh omada, naytergates, odhgoi lewforeiwn epimeinoyn se apergiakes kinhtopoihseis kai pali qa ftasei o dialogos sto anwtato dynato epipedo, prospernwntas ton armodio ypoyrgo; Dhladh, dhmioyrgei kai ena prohgoymeno ayth h synanthsh poy qa ginei ayrio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, qa kriqei. Deyteron, den prosperna kaqoloy ton armodio ypoyrgo, dioti sas eipa oti o armodios ypoyrgos  en prokeimenw h k. Giannakoy- exei jekaqara topoqethqei sto dialogo. H kybernhsh, dia toy omiloyntos ekproswpoy ths h toy anaplhrwth, epishs exei topoqethqei jekaqara. Ara, den yparxei kanenos eidoys antilhch peri dyo diaforetikwn symperiforwn.

SARANTAKOS: Qelw na pw, omws, oti h k. Giannakoy den elyse to problhma kai ayto einai mia alhqeia. Gi` ayto pate kai sto anwtato dynato epipedo toy dialogoy. Gi` ayto to ennow. Dhladh, ean ayrio o k. Kefalogiannhs den mporesei na lysei to problhma, endexomenws me toys naytergates, qa ftasei pali sto anwtato dynato epipedo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Empiptei sto prwto poy eipa: Qa kriqei.

SARANTAKOS: Apo to apotelesma ths ayrianhs synanthshs, profanws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, qa kriqei. Kaqeti krinetai. Den shmainei oti ola ftanoyn ston Prwqypoyrgo.

KAKALHS: H oikonomia, opws eipate, exei sygkekrimenes dynatothtes, alla kai h kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenes proteraiothtes. Prwth proteraiothta, opws elege o Prwqypoyrgos, htan h Paideia kai o Politismos. Ayrio ti qa peite stoys daskaloys gia th meiwsh twn dapanwn gia thn Paideia (den akoygetai) h opoia qa mporoyse na lysei polla problhmata kai apo ta aithmata poy proballoyn oi daskaloi me thn apergiakh toys kinhtopoihsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parapemcw se ayta poy exw dwsei ws stoixeia atrantaxta kai adiaceysta gia ayjhsh twn dapanwn sthn Paideia. Opws qymaste, ta exw pei kai sthn aiqoysa toy press-room, meta to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, dinontas sas sygkekrimena ariqmhtika stoixeia gia ta posa poy exoyn ayjhqei sth dietia, se apolytoys ariqmoys, posa poy isoyntai me ayta poy doqhkan sthn teleytaia ejaetia toy PASOK.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei desmeyqei gia stadiakh ayjhsh twn dapanwn gia thn Paideia se pososto 5% ws pros to AEP. Ayth htan h desmeysh. Edw exoyme mia antistrofh tash apo to 3,6% phgame sto 3,09% epi toy AEP. Ara, pws ayjhqhke epi toy AEP; Pws threitai, dhladh, ayth h desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, ta apla maqhmatika lene oti oi deiktes einai allhlendetoi. Deyteron, epanalambanw oti se apolytoys ariqmoys -toys opoioys eixa thn eykairia na epanalabw dyo fores enwpion sas- h kybernhsh ayjhse ta posa gia thn Paideia se tetoio ariqmo poy isoyntai sta dyomish xronia diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias, peripoy me ayta twn teleytaiwn eji xronwn diakybernhshs toy PASOK.

BLAXOS: Se tetoia qemata poy dhmioyrgeitai megalh koinwnikh entash, o ekastote Prwqypoyrgos exei ena xarti sta xeria toy. Dhladh, otan ftasei sthn koryfwsh ths krishs to piqanotero einai na antikatasthsei ton ypoyrgo. Pairnontas, omws, o k. Karamanlhs o idios thn eyqynh gia to xeirismo ayths ths ypoqeshs me thn ayrianh synanthsh, meiwnei -opws katalabainete- toys xeirismoys. Ean, loipon, synexistei ayth h krish kai entaqei, poios qa einai o epomenos xeirismos toy k. Karamanlh gia na thn ektonwsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H entimothta me thn opoia h kybernhsh exei milhsei se oles tis koinwnikes tajeis, se oles tis paragwgikes tajeis, einai ayth me thn opoia qa apeyqynqei ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos stoys daskaloys kai toys kaqhghtes. Gia mia akomh fora qa toys qesei ta problhmata poy antimetwpizei h oikonomia kai qa toys zhthsei, qa toys parakalesei na epistrecoyn stis aiqoyses twn sxoleiwn. Dioti -epanalambanw gia pollosth fora- den einai qema poy afora thn kybernhsh, toys daskaloys kai toys kaqhghtes. Einai qema poy afora synolika thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Sta plaisia twn antoxwn ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, exoyn ginei ta kalytera dynata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh ayrio h synanthsh qa peristrafei sto oikonomiko, h kybernhsh qa parameinei akampth; Na thn kanw alliws thn erwthsh. Den protiqetai na rijei ligo nero sto krasi ths se sxesh me th meiwsh twn dosewn gia to epipedo twn 105 eyrw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw topoqethqei hdh, polles fores, sto qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh ayrio, omws, exei synanthsh se anwtato epipedo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw topoqethqei polles fores. Antilambanomai oti me polloys diaforetikoys tropoys mporei na ginoyn para polles erwthseis epi toy idioy qematos. Den nomizw oti qa prosferei tipote perissotero. Qelw na einai jekaqaro oti ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos, dhladh h kybernhsh sto anwtato dynato epipedo, qa synanthqei me daskaloys kai kaqhghtes. Qa toys koitajei sta matia kai qa toys pei poia einai ta problhmata ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, zhtwntas toys parallhlws na sebastoyn oti ayta ta problhmata exoyn na kanoyn me oloys toys Ellhnes polites kai na epistrecoyn, prokeimenoy oi maqhtes na mhn xanoyn alla maqhmata. Sebomaste ton agwna toys, sebomaste ta aithmata toys, sebomaste to dialogo panw apo ola. Ayto to apodeiknyoyme sthn prajh.

XIWTHS: Sas zhthqhke kai prohgoymenws mia apotimhsh toy eklogikoy apotelesmatos toy b' gyroy twn eklogwn. Kata th gnwmh moy, den thn kanate. Gi` ayto qelw ligo na to ejeidikeysw. Qelw na moy peite, pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh to gegonos oti nomarxies opoy yparxei adiamfisbhthth yperoxh ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws stis Serres h th Magnhsia h thn Karditsa, xaqhkan paroti symmeteixe ypochfios kai nyn nomarxhs. Qewreite oti yphrjan kakes epiloges stoys sygkekrimenoys nomoys h qewreite oti sygkrothqhke se aytoys toys nomoys ena allo kybernhtiko metwpo apo oloys toys foreis kai ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anefera prohgoymenws oti sth dhlwsh toy ths perasmenhs Kyriakhs, alla kai xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos ta exei pei ola h sxedon ola se sxesh me tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges. Sas qymizw oti o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sta krithria me ta opoia chfizoyn oi Ellhnes polites, krithria poy oloi mas antilambanomaste. Einai sigoyra kai proswpika krithria, an oxi kyriws proswpika krithria, se polles periptwseis.

XIWTHS: Diakrinw mia antifash se ayta poy mas lete. Den to ekane o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, alla akoysa koryfaioys ypoyrgoys na qriambologoyn gia to gegonos oti h Nea Dhmokratia diathrhse peripoy 30 nomarxies. Pws einai dynaton apo th mia na lete...

ROYSOPOYLOS: To ``peripoy'' paei sto ``diathrhse'' h sto ``30'' gia na katalabw ti akribws syzhtame.

XIWTHS: Anaferomaste se sxolia ths prohgoymenhs Kyriakhs opoy den eixe jekaqarisei plhrws to topio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: As pame sto shmera poy jekaqarise to topio.

XIWTHS: Shmera exoyme 30 nomarxies gia th Nea Dhmokratia kai 24 gia to PASOK. Den mporei na dexeste ws epityxia th diathrhsh twn 30 nomarxiwn, alla na agnoeite to epishs gegonos oti to PASOK phre 24 nomarxies. Den einai toso megalh h diafora kai epipleon phre nomarxies se perioxes poy h Nea Dhmokratia exei adiamfisbhthth yperoxh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na moy peite ti peripoy qelete na apodeijete gia na dw ean symfwnoyme h diafwnoyme;

XIWTHS: Eimai bebaios oti qa diafwnhsoyme. Alla h dikh moy apoch den exei kamia ajia. Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai, ean qewreite to eklogiko apotelesma apolytws epityxes h ean qewreite oti toylaxiston ta apotelesmata toy deyteroy gyroy periexoyn mhnymata dysareskeias gia thn kybernhsh kai gia tis epiloges ths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqe eklogiko apotelesma krybei mia laikh sofia.

SARANTAKOS: Qewreite oti sth diamorfwsh toy apotelesmatos sto dhmo ths Patras epaije rolo kai h emfanish toy k. Nikolopoyloy se thleoptiko kanali me tis gnwstes xeironomies kata toy k. Foyra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa ypeiselqw se epimeroys syzhthsh. Opws eidate, gia tis ekloges den kanw oyte genikes topoqethseis.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh h Patra einai megalos dhmos, gi` ayto kai anaferomai se ayth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To sebomai. En genei, h Ellada einai poly megalyterh, alla den prokeitai na mpw se kamia syzhthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia to eklogiko apotelesma. Qa epanaferw kai pali ton oro peri eyxaristhshs h ikanopoihshs h dysareskeias toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Emeine, xqes, ikanopoihmenos kai eyxaristhmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo to apotelesma poy apotypwqhke sto nomo Serrwn, mias poy ws gnwsto htan ``Karamanliko kastro'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sebomai to dikaiwma sas na epanaferete opoioys oroys qelete, paroti gnwrizete oti qa epimeinw se ayta poy sas exw pei polles fores sto parelqon.

BLAXOS: Apo thn perigrafh poy kanate gia to ti qa ginei ayrio sth synanthsh, oysiastika apo o,ti katalaba, elpizete sto filotimo twn kaqhghtwn kai twn daskalwn. Etsi den einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti exw pei para polla, shmera, gi` ayth thn ypoqesh. As afhsoyme th syzhthsh na ejelixqei ayrio.

Sas eyxaristw.


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