Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-03-09

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Aqhna, 9 Martioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos ayrio, Paraskeyh 10 Martioy, stis 10.30, qa synanthqei me ton ypoyrgo Makedonias-Qrakhs k. G. Kalantzh kai stis 12.00 me ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas k. B. Meimarakh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Exw na sas kanw dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora sto an h kybernhsh exei kapoio sxolio se sxesh me thn epistolh ths EUROSTAT gia ton tropo ypologismoy twn amyntikwn dapanwn ston proypologismo.

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

SPYRAKH: Qa sas parakaloysa aplws na mas apanthsete mexri to brady.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas apanthsw opwsdhpote.

SPYRAKH: Ep` aytoy, einai ena erwthma ean sas apasxolei to gegonos oti h EUROSTAT qewrei ws tropo ypologismoy twn amyntikwn dapanwn ayton poy mexri to 2004 efarmozan oi kybernhseis toy PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas apanthsw, molis exw kati, entos ths hmeras.

SPYRAKH: H deyterh erwthsh moy, k. Ekproswpe, afora sto sxolio poy exei kybernhsh gia to porisma ths ADAE. Pws einai dynaton mia anejarthth arxh, h opoia ektimhqhke kat` arxhn apo thn kybernhsh oti den exei tis texnikes dynatothtes na proseggisei to qema twn ypoklopwn, na katalhgei se ena porisma se syntomo xroniko diasthma, thn wra poy h Dikaiosynh xreiasthke 11 mhnes gia na ejetasei 13 martyres.

ANTWNAROS: H Dikaiosynh asxoleitai se baqos me thn ypoqesh. H ereyna synexizetai me stoxo na dialeykanqei h ypoqesh. Me aformh thn erwthsh poy molis poy kanate, moy dinete thn eykairia na kanw dyo epishmanseis poy prokyptoyn apo th dhmosiopoihsh toy porismatos ths Arxhs Diasfalishs toy Aporrhtoy twn Epikoinwniwn: Prwton, apo thn koinopoihsh ths ypoqeshs sthn kybernhsh apo ton dieyqynonta symboylo ths etaireias eleipe to basiko stoixeio sxetika me to trito kentro parakoloyqhshs, me o,ti ayto mporei na shmainei gia thn ajiopistia kai tis skopimothtes poy ypokryptontai pisw apo ayth thn kinhsh. Deyteron, sthn teleytaia paragrafo toy porismatos ths ADAE anaferetai oti h etaireia VODAFONE paredwse sthn anejarthth Arxh stoixeia gia orismenes mono hmeromhnies, dhlwnontas oti den diathrei sta arxeia ths ta plhrh stoixeia poy ths zhthqhkan. Ypenqymizw oti se apospasma prosfaths epishmhs anakoinwshs ths etaireias ginotan logos gia ``akribh eikona toy diktyoy ths'' poy ``eixe apotypwqei plhrws se magnhtika mesa''. H apokalych oloena kai perissoterwn stoixeiwn apodeiknyei thn orqothta ths proseggishs ths kybernhshs na steilei thn ypoqesh, amesws molis perihlqe se gnwsh ths, sth Dikaiosynh, wste na diereynhqei plhrws kaqe ptyxh ths.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh metaniwnei, me bash ayta ta nea stoixeia poy erxontai sto fws ths dhmosiothtas, poy afhse apejw apo olh ayth th diadikasia apo thn prwth stigmh thn anejarthth ayth Arxh gia thn prostasia toy aporrhtoy twn epikoinwniwn.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme apanthsei polles fores me safhneia se paromoia erwthmata.

SARANTAKOS: Me sygxwreite, exoyme nea stoixeia. Dhladh, den apeyqynomai se palaioteres apanthseis sas.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti exoyme apanthsei para polles fores se paromoia erwthmata. Allwste, yparxoyn qesmikoi paragontes poy asxoloyntai me to qema.

SARANTAKOS: Twra pia. Oxi apo thn arxh poy plhroforhqhkate to gegonos.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn qesmikoi paragontes poy asxoloyntai apo thn arxh me to qema.

SARANTAKOS: ``Qesmikoi paragontes'', ennoeite toys ypoyrgoys poy asxolhqhkan me to qema. Aytoys ennoeite qesmikoys paragontes.

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh moy einai safhs.

BLAXOS: Yparxei ena qema hqikhs tajews. Bgainei, shmera, o k. Roysopoylos kai se apokleistikh toy dhlwsh sthn efhmerida ``ELEYQEROTYPIA'' leei oti oydepote h VODAFONE mas edwse tetoia stoixeia. Einai qema hqikhs tajews.

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw ti ennoeite ``qema hqikhs tajews''.

BLAXOS: Apokalyptei o ypoyrgos Epikrateias k. Roysopoylos oti oloklhrh h kybernhsh perimene apo th VODAFONE na parei tetoia stoixeia. Egw rwtw, einai dynaton meta apo tosoys mhnes h kybernhsh na leei paraponoymenh oti h VODAFONE den mas edwse ola ta stoixeia; Mia kybernhsh perimenei apo mia etaireia poy empleketai sto qema twn ypoklopwn, na ths apokalycei tis enoxes ths; Enteka-dwdeka mhnes, posoys htan, den phrate kamia antikeimenikh Arxh na elegjei ean ayta poy sas edine h VODAFONE htan alhqina h oxi; Eseis, edw, bghkate treis ypoyrgoi @

ANTWNAROS: Teleiwsate to logydrio sas;

BLAXOS: Nai.

ANTWNAROS: Eyxaristw.

BLAXOS: Exw akoysei kai xeirotera apo ton k. Roysopoylo, alla den peirazei. Logydrio einai! Entajei, peite moy. To dexomai oti htan logydrio.

ANTWNAROS: Logydrio einai ayto, to opoio ekfwnhsate kai eiste kai kalos, dynatos sto logo. Den to amfisbhtw, allwste. Qa hqela na pw oti profanws agnoeite me thn erwthsh poy kanete apla pragmata: Otan arxise h astynomikh ereyna doqhkan sygkekrimena stoixeia basei twn opoiwn eginan sygkekrimenoi elegxoi. Afoy oloklhrwqhke h astynomikh ereyna to qema anelabe h Dikaiosynh. Ti eipe o k. Roysopoylos xqes; Sas diabazw, loipon, th dhlwsh poy epikaleiste: ``Oydepote teqhkan sth diaqesh ths kybernhshs ta sygkekrimena stoixeia poy anaferontai sthn ekqesh eyrhmatwn ths ADAE. O ekproswpos ths etaireias den ta anefere, oyte ston tote ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs k. Boylgarakh, oyte ston ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs Anastasio Papalhgoyra, oyte sto ypomnhma toy pros ton eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy''. Ayto den shmainei oti apo ekei kai pera, meta apo aytes tis anafores poy ekane o k. Korwnias sta kybernhtika stelexh poy synanthse, den proxwrhsan h astynomikh ereyna, h dikastikh ereyna kai twra h ereyna ths ADAE .

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, 11 mhnes exete thn ereyna sta xeria sas, eseis kai h Dikaiosynh. Ena mhna phre h ADAE sta xeria ths thn ereyna kai katelhje se ayto to symperasma. Enteka mhnes, giati kaqysteroyse ayth h ereyna; Peite moy sas parakalw.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den synennooymeqa akomh gi` ayto poy qelw na sas pw.

BLAXOS: Einai profanes oti den synennoymeqa.

ANTWNAROS: H ADAE xrhsimopoiei profanws kai orismena stoixeia, ta opoia proekycan apo thn ereyna poy egine olo ayto to diasthma.

BLAXOS: Giati ayta ta stoixeia den mas ta apokalycate nwritera, dioti shmera bgainete kataggellontas ton k. Korwnia kai th VODAFONE oti edw yparxoyn skopimothtes. To anaferete eseis. Toso kairo, giati den kataggelletai tis skopimothtes Korwnia kai VODAFONE, alla tis kataggelletai afoy bghke ayto to porisma ths ADAE kai oxi apo toys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla apo toys boyleytes toy PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Poioys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias;

BLAXOS: Aytoi poy phran xqes to xarti sta xeria toys, oi opoioi mas elegan oti den exoyn tetoio xarti apo thn ADAE.

ANTWNAROS: Einai safes ayto poy sas lew, alla den mporeite na to katalabete h -den qa hqela na isxyristw kati tetoio- oti den qelete na to katalabete.

BLAXOS: Giati kataggellete shmera gia anajiopistia kai gia kapoies perierges skopimothtes ton k. Korwnia, kati poy den to kanate mexri xqes kai to kanete 24 wres meta thn apokalych toy keimenoy ths ADAE. Efoson, loipon, eixate stoixeia, giati den to kanate toso kairo, toses hmeres; Ti krybate; Giati den to kanate;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, ejakoloyqeite kai moy lete oti yphrxan ta stoixeia. Ta stoixeia yparxoyn apo th stigmh poy perilambanontai se ena porisma.

BLAXOS: Ths ADAE, oxi ths kybernhshs. Jerete ti egine prin apo ligo;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. Gnwrizete poly kala oti qesmika mia ypoqesh ereynatai se diafora epipeda. Ayto giati epimenete na to paragnwrizete;

BLAXOS: Jerete ti egine prin apo ligo k. Ekproswpe; Enas boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias poy proedreyei sthn Epitroph Qesmwn o k. Karamarios, jekinwntas th synedriash eipe, apeyqynomenos ston k. Korwnia: ``Kyrie Korwnia, eseis poy apokalycate to qema twn ypoklopwn, exete to logo''. Paraligo na ferei kai ena stefani, na ton stefanwsei.

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na sxoliasw diadikasies poy sxetizontai me th leitoyrgia toy Koinoboylioy.

BLAXOS: Den ekqetei ayth h stash thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenh qesh thn opoia exoyme ejhghsei epaneilhmmenws se ayth thn aiqoysa. H qesh ayth einai safhs. H kybernhsh, molis perihlqe se gnwsh ths h sygkekrimenh ypoqesh, eixe to qesmiko kaqhkon na th steilei sth Dikaiosynh. To politiko mas systhma leitoyrgei me treis pylwnes. Ayto den prepei na to jexna kaneis. Otan o enas pylwnas peftei qyma ypoklophs, opws kai egine sth sygkekrimenh ypoqesh, tote exei thn ypoxrewsh na paei th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh amesws molis perielqei se gnwsh toy ston allon pylwna, th Dikaiosynh kai na frontisei, wste na apokalyftei h alhqeia.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, as poyme oti mas eixate peisei pws prajate qesmika analogws, omws ta eyrhmata ths ADAE sas ekqetoyn. Ekqetoyn thn kybernhsh. Kaneis ypoyrgos den eniwse thn eyaisqhsia na paraithqei; Sas ekqetoyn. Eipate oti h ereyna ths ADAE profanws basisthke sthn ews twra ereyna. Den to jerete.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino poy sas eipa -kai einai safes- einai oti h astynomikh ereyna einai ayth h opoia ecaje, brhke texnikes leptomereies, gi` ayto kai dihrkhse toso megalo diasthma.

SIDERHS: Akomh ki etsi na einai k. Ekproswpe@

ANTWNAROS: Ma, ti paei na pei ``akomh ki etsi na einai''. Etsi einai.

SIDERHS: Ma, yparxei to anamfisbhthto oti eiste ekteqeimenoi, giati den dwsate amesws sthn ADAE na kanei ayth thn ereyna. Qa mporoyse na exoyme edw kai 10 mhnes to porisma.

ANTWNAROS: Pali exoyme kapoia dyskolia epikoinwnias.

SIDERHS: Oxi. Prospaqeite na anapodogyrisete ta pragmata. Exw to logo na pw kai kati allo;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Den exw na sas pw tipote allo panw se ayto. Einai para poly safes.

SIDERHS: Den niwqei kaneis thn anagkh na paraithqei;

ANTWNAROS: Giati na paraithqei;

SIDERHS: Giati sas ejeqese h idia h Arxh sthn opoia twra prosfygate kai oxi prin apo 11 mhnes.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den exete antilhfqei osa sas ejhghsa.

MPOTSATAKOS: Apo tis shmerines sas dhlwseis kai apo ta stoixeia poy prokyptoyn apo to porisma ths ADAE diapistwnoyme dyo pragmata: Prwton, oti o k. Korwnias apekryce to trito kentro kai oti apekryce kapoia apo ta stoixeia toy logismikoy, afoy symfwna me thn ADAE den yparxoyn ola ta stoixeia. Den qa eprepe na exei kinhqei h Dikaiosynh, afoy dhmosiopoihqhke to porisma, katateqhke sth Boylh, enantion toy k. Korwnia poy apekryce stoixeia toy egklhmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai ena erwthma to opoio, opws antilambaneste, prepei na apeyqynete sth Dikaiosynh. Molis prin apo ligo sas milhsa gia toys treis pylwnes panw stoys opoioys edrazetai to politiko mas systhma. Asfalws, se oloys einai gnwsth h diakrish twn ejoysiwn. Pera apo ayto, qa epimeinw gia mia akomh fora sthn poly aplh diapistwsh oti h ereyna brisketai se ejelijh. Den exei oloklhrwqei. Ta eyrhmata ths mexri twra astynomikhs kai dikastikhs ereynas apoteloyn th bash ths synolikhs ereynas.

GARGALAKOS: Qewrei h kybernhsh oti paraplanhqhke apo ton k. Korwnia;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to eipa.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean isxyei h dhlwsh ths kybernhshs oti o k. Korwnias thrhse ypeyqynh stash. Einai dhlwsh h opoia eixe ginei apo toys ypoyrgoys sth synenteyjh. Apo ton k. Boylgarakh, sygkekrimena.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Boylgarakhs exei dieykrinisei -se metepeita dhlwseis toy- ti akribws ennooyse. Ayto einai safes.

KORAH: Gia na afhsoyme ligo to astynomiko qema kai na perasoyme sto politiko. Me tis apokalyceis poy parakoloyqoyme, fobatai h kybernhsh oti to anejelegkto ths olhs ypoqeshs mporei na odhghsei aporrhtes synomilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy se CD sthn Omonoia;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kamia ypoqesh panw se ayto to qema. Ekeino to opoio pragmatika mas endiaferei -kai to lew gia mia akomh fora kai den qa koyrastw na to lew- einai na xyqei apleto fws se ayth thn ypoqesh. Se mia ypoqesh sthn opoia qymata htan o Prwqypoyrgos kai kentrika stelexh ths kybernhshs. Synepws, o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh dinoyn megalh shmasia sthn plhrh dialeykansh ths ypoqeshs.

MANH: Prin apo mia wra peripoy, jekinwntas h synedriash ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs, o k. Karamarios enhmerwse kai typika to Swma gia thn ekqesh ths ADAE poy elaban xqes ta melh ths Epitrophs, alla me apajiwtikh anafora. Eipe xarakthristika: ``Xqes to apogeyma, labame ena prosxedio porismatos, egw prwth fora blepw na ginetai tetoio pragma. Na ginetai prosxedio porismatos''.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio se sxesh me mia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia poy ayth th stigmh brisketai se ejelijh.

MANH: Oxi. Den qelw na moy sxoliasete thn apanthsh toy k. Karamarioy. Na moy peite ean kai h kybernhsh aifnidiasthke me thn kinhsh ths ADAE na steilei thn ekqesh h ean qewrhse oti kakws thn esteile.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia thn ekqesh, to eipa.

KAKALHS: Pws h kybernhsh, parolo poy apodeiknyetai oti den eixe ola ta dedomena ypoch ths kai h dikastikh ereyna briskotan se ejelijh, espeyse apo thn prwth stigmh na aqwwsei, prwton thn etaireia, deyteron na apokleisei kaqe anameijh ths Amerikanikhs Presbeias kai triton kaqe emplokh twn mystikwn yphresiwn. Dhladh, eixe hdh bgalei porisma h kybernhsh gia ola ayta, eixe apofanqei gia ola ayta, enw htan se ejelijh h ereyna.

ANTWNAROS: Foboymai oti eseis molis twra katalhjate se dyo porismata.

KAKALHS: Mallon den qymaste ti eixate pei tote sthn prwth synenteyjh.

ANTWNAROS: Qymamai apolytws. Den hmoyn parwn sthn prwth synenteyjh, alla qymamai ti eipwqhke.

KAKALHS: Den eixe tote aqwwqei h etaireia me th dhlwsh toy k. Boylgarakh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Foboymai oti eseis katalhgete twra se dyo ayqaireta porismata.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epanalambanete kai etsi einai oti o Prwqypoyrgos kai polloi Ypoyrgoi htan qymata twn ypoklopwn. Apokalyptetai omws, oti o katalogos aytos den einai o katalogos oloklhros. Einai xalkeymenos.

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy synagete kati tetoio;

BLAXOS: To leei to porisma. Ara, loipon, edw yparxoyn ki alla onomata ta opoia kata enan periergo tropo einai ektos keimenoy. Ki egw rwtw: Ti ekane h kybernhsh gia na mporesei, me mia anejarthth arxh, na diapistwsei poiwn allwn ta thlefwna ta parakoloyqoysan, prokeimenoy na enhmerwsei ton ellhniko lao. Dhladh, me ayto to porisma ths ADAE einai profanes oti afhnete anoixto to endexomeno na parakoloyqoyntan ta thlefwna toy k. Papandreoy, ths k. Paparhga, toy k. Alabanoy, epixeirhmatiwn, dhmosiografwn. Eseis den mporeite ayth th stigmh na eggyhqeite oti den parakoloyqoyntai ayta ta thlefwna;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh ekane ayto to opoio eprepe na kanei. Aneqese sth Dikaiosynh na diereynhsei thn ypoqesh. Oso kai an ayto den aresei se polloys na to akoyne, ayto einai to qesmiko kaqhkon to opoio eixe h kybernhsh kai sto opoio antapokriqhke plhrws.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla dyo Ypoyrgoi, phran to politiko kostos na dwsoyn politikh sfragida kai egkyrothta, dhladh o k. Roysopoylos kai o k. Boylgarakhs, anakoinwnontas kai diabazontas oi idioi paroysia toy ellhnikoy laoy, ton katalogo poy toys edwse h Vodafone. Kai o opoios apodeiknyetai twra oti den einai oloklhros, oti einai xalkeymenos.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei profanws kapoia dyskolia synennohshs. Sthrixqhkame kai emeis, h kybernhsh kai h Dikaiosynh se stoixeia poy toys doqhkan.

BLAXOS: Apo poion;

ANTWNAROS: Apo kei kai pera -ayto prospaqw na sas ejhghsw- arxizei h ereyna. H ereyna synexizetai. Den exoyme ftasei sto teliko stadio.

BLAXOS: H ereyna eprepe na jekinhsei 10 Martioy kyrie Ekproswpe kai den@

ANTWNAROS: H ereyna jekinhse apo thn prwth hmera.

BLAXOS: Apo thn ADAE;

ANTWNAROS: H ereyna jekinhse apo tis astynomikes arxes.

BLAXOS: Ma h ADAE einai armodia kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Den mporei na kanei h ADAE th sygkekrimenh ereyna h opoia eprepe na ginei.

BLAXOS: Ma, oriste, h ADAE bgazei twra to porisma meta apo tosoys mhnes kaqysterhshs kai mas leei oti o katalogos twn onomatwn poy parakoloyqoysan einai xalkeymenos, den einai oloklhros. H ADAE exei thn texnognwsia na bgalei ayta ta symperasmata. H astynomia den ekane tipota 11 mhnes.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete megalo laqos. Adikeite thn Ellhnikh Astynomia. Deixnete na mhn exete gnwsh ths leptomereiakhs kai se baqos doyleias poy egine aytoys oloys toys mhnes.

BLAXOS: Giati den mas thn apokalycate toso kairo kai perimenate na bgei to porisma ths ADAE;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, sas to exoyme pei para polles fores.

SARANTAKOS: Exw mia erwthsh kai qelw mia dieykrinish. Prwton, qewrei h kybernhsh oti egine parembash sto qema to opoio brisketai se ejelijh -ayto to opoio exete xarakthrisei kai eseis ``egklhma kata ths kybernhshs''- apo th mhtrikh etaireia ths Vodafone anabaqmizontas ton k. Korwnia paramonh ths kataqeshs toy sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs;

ANTWNAROS: Den mas apasxoloyn oi eswterikes diergasies se epixeirhseis.

SARANTAKOS: Kai mia dieykrinish: Moy eipate prohgoymenws otan sas rwthsa gia thn ADAE, gia to an exete metaniwsei poy den thn emplejate, den ths anaqesate thn ereyna ayth, oti yphrxan qesmikoi paragontes poy eneplakhsan apo thn prwth stigmh. Qewreite dhladh, oti alloi endexomenws qesmikoi paragontes qa eprepe na eixan enhmerwsei thn ADAE apo thn prwth stigmh; H Dikaiosynh, as poyme;

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhka stoys treis pylwnes ths Dhmokratias mas, pws leitoyrgoyn kai toys diakritoys logoys poy exei o kaqenas apo aytoys.

MPOTSARAKOS: To eylogo erwthma einai, giati afoy h kybernhsh yphrje qyma ypoklopwn poy eginan apo thn etaireia Vodafone, asxeta me to poses mporei na einai oi eyqynes ths -prwton ayto- kai deyteron, afoy apodeiknyetai ek twn ysterwn apo to porisma ths ADAE oti apekryce stoixeia o k. Korwnias, to erwthma loipon einai giati h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos poy exoyn to nomimo dikaiwma, den zhtoyn th diwjh toy k. Korwnia; An kapoios poliths eixe to dikaiwma ayto qa mporoyse na to askhsei. O Prwqypoyrgos -h h kybernhsh- skeftetai na to askhsei;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos fysika, o opoios einai h koryfh ths kybernhshs, exoyn apolyth empistosynh sth Dikaiosynh.

SPYRAKH: Eilikrina den exw katanohsei se poion ofeiletai to gegonos oti amesws meta thn apokalych toy zhthmatos twn ypoklopwn, den yphrje prosfygh ths armodias etaireias sthn ADAE. To erwthma einai aplo: Paranomhse h etaireia h opoia ofeile na apologhqei kai na to qesei to qema yp` ocin ths armodias arxhs h elabe systaseis o k. Korwnias apo thn kybernhsh na krathsei to qema se ena steno kyklo gnwrizontwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw pws katalhgete s` aytes tis ypoqeseis. Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: Ayto poy endiaferei thn kybernhsh einai na bgei olh h alhqeia sto fws. Kai sas epanalambanw kati poy exei pei kai o k. Roysopoylos s` ayth thn aiqoysa: H kybernhsh qa einai h prwth poy qa xarei na bgei olh h alhqeia sto fws, kaqoson h kybernhsh kai prwta ap` ola o Prwqypoyrgos htan qyma ayths ths aqlias ypoqeshs twn ypoklopwn.

SPYRAKH: Allo sas rwthsa. Sas rwthsa poios eyqynetai poy h etaireia Vodafone den prosefyge sthn ADAE, ws ofeile nomika. Einai me prwtoboylia ths etaireias h h etaireia phre systaseis apo thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa, oti h kybernhsh den exei kamia anameijh s` ayto to qema.

SIDERHS: Mas lete synexeia oti h kybernhsh qelei na xyqei apleto fws. Pws mas to apodeiknyete; Giati ek ths qesews mas ofeiloyme na eimaste kakopistoi kai na poyme oti h 11mhnh abelthria shmainei pws qelate na to koykoylwsete. Eidate oti den koykoylwnetai giati yphrxe kai enas qanatos kai anagkasthkate na to bgalete. To deytero, epimenete oti prajate swsta otan oi@

ANTWNAROS: Perimenw thn erwthsh sas.

SIDERHS: Wraia. Pws mas peiqete oti qelete na xyqei apleto fws; H 11mhnh abelthria allo deixnei.

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqeite kai milate, kakopista dystyxws, gia 11mhnh abelthria. Profanws den qelete na antilhfqeite ayto to opoio sas eipa. Oti gia 11 mhnes ginotan se baqos, katarxas apo tis astynomikes arxes opws orizei to nomiko systhma ths xwras mas, mia ereyna leptomereiakh. Katopin to qema phge sth Dikaiosynh. Teleiwse to prwto stadio ths dikastikhs ereynas @as mhn mpoyme se nomikes orologies- kai synexizetai ayth th stigmh h taktikh anakrish. H Dikaiosynh, opws gnwrizete, exei ryqmoys sygkekrimenoys me toys opoioys leitoyrgei, oxi mono sthn Ellada, alla se olo ton kosmo.

SIDERHS: Epilambanetai h Dikaiosynh kai to maqainoyn treis Ypoyrgoi kai mas lene osa mas eipane. Kai erxetai h ADAE kai bgazei perissotera. Qa elegxqei h Dikaiosynh apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo giati ebgale ellipeis parathrhseis, elliph symperasmata.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: H Dikaiosynh ejakoloyqei na kanei thn ereyna. Parallhla kanei allh ereyna h ADAE. Den qelete na ginetai ayth h ereyna;

KAKALHS: O k. Korwnias prin apo ena mhna sthn ADAE, feretai na eixe dhlwsei oti ``enhrghsa symfwna me tis ypodeijeis ths kybernhshs''. Ayto an mh ti allo -to opoio den to diaceysate kai den qa mporoyse na to pei ayqaireta, fantazomai- den deixnei an mh ti allo mia synennohsh me thn kybernhsh, an oxi sygkalych;

ANTWNAROS: ``Sygkalych'' se ti;

KAKALHS: Sto na mh bgei, profanws, h alhqeia gia tis ypoklopes pote sto fws.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh -to epanalambanw gia pollosth fora- ypogrammizei oti epiqymei na xyqei apleto fws sto sygkekrimeno qema. Isxyrismoi diaforwn pleyrwn peri toy antiqetoy den exoyn kamia apolytws bash.

KAKALHS: Ayto poy eipate, to epixeirhma oti h kybernhsh qelei na lamcei h alhqeia giati einai to qyma twn ypoklopwn@

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh edwse sth dhmosiothta ta stoixeia, mhn to jexnate ayto.

KAKALHS: O k. Karamanlhs eipe, nomizw, oti ta edwse o k. Korwnias.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh edwse ta stoixeia sth dhmosiothta, molis perihlqan se gnwsh ths kai oloklhrwqhke, opws problepetai apo to nomo, h prokatarktikh ejetash.

KAKALHS: Gia to epixeirhma poy lete oti eiste to mono qyma, apo to porisma ths ADAE prokyptei oti o ariqmos ths listas twn thlefwnwn poy parakoloyqoyntan einai aprosdioristos. Ara katarreei to epixeirhma oti h kybernhsh htan to mono qyma se ayth thn istoria.

ANTWNAROS: H ereyna synexizetai.

GALIATSATOS: Mas eipate oti sth diarkeia twn 11 mhnwn egine mia leptomerhs ereyna apo thn pleyra ths astynomias. Egw erwtw: Sth diarkeia ayths ths leptomeroys ereynas apo thn pleyra ths astynomias, eklhqhsan kapoioi eidikoi, oxi h ADAE aparaithtws, na kanoyn ayto to pragma to opoio eprepe na ginei. Na janabaloyn to paranomo logismiko mesa, to opoio htan apoqhkeymeno se backup sth Vodafone, na to trejoyn kai na doyn tis parametroys toy systhmatos. Ayto egine sth diarkeia ths 11mhnhes ereynas h den egine kaqoloy;

ANTWNAROS: Apo thn arxh exoyme pei -kai s` ayto symfwnoyn oles oi pleyres- oti me thn apenergopoihsh toy systhmatos xaqhkan polytima stoixeia. Den qa ejyphretoyse se tipote kai den qelw na mpw se texnikes leptomereies tis opoies kai den gnwrizw. Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw, sas to lew ayto eyqarsws kai eilikrinws gia texnikes leptomereies. Alla, ean den eixe apenergopoihqei to systhma -kai ayto einai to krisimo shmeio- endexomenws qa eixame ki alla prosqeta stoixeia.

BLAXOS: Ayth h energeia apotelei sygkalych twn ypoklopwn;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai safestatos s` ayta ta opoia lew.

GALIATSATOS: Egw rwtaw kati allo. An kapoia stigmh sth diarkeia ths 11mhnhs ereynas h kybernhsh epediwje mia anaparastash ths istorias, apla kai mono gia na tekmhriwsei oti ayta poy ths elege h Vodafone htan alhqh h oxi. Oxi gia na brei toys enoxoys efoson den mporoyse na toys brei logw ths apomakrynshs toy logismikoy. An me bash ta texnika dedomena kai me bash ta texnika dedomena doylece kai h ADAE tis teleytaies 15 meres, janabalei mprosta to systhma, dokimasei na tsekarei ayta poy ths elege h Vodafone. Epixeirhse ayto to pragma h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti oi astynomikes kai dikastikes arxes ekanan o,ti eprepe na kanoyn prokeimenoy na katalhjoyn sta stoixeia poy apaitoyntai gia th dialeykansh ths ypoqeshs.

KORAH: An moy epitrepete, egw den exw katalabei poy exei katalhjei oyte h Dikaiosynh, oyte h Ellhnikh Astynomia aytoys toy 11 mhnes. Poy katelhjan aytes oi ereynes;

ANTWNAROS: H ereyna -ayto einai to shmantiko- den exei oloklhrwqei akoma.

KORAH: Oi treis Ypoyrgoi sth synenteyjh Typoy, anaferqhkan sta stoixeia poy toys eixe dwsei 11 mhnes prin@

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Kanete laqos.

KORAH: Poia htan ta prosqeta stoixeia; Gia peste moy.

ANTWNAROS: Oi Ypoyrgoi anaferqhkan kai se stoixeia poy eixan prokycei sto metajy apo thn prokatarktikh ejetash h opoia egine.

KORAH: To oti h aytoktonia, as poyme@

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw ayth th stigmh na gyrisw@

KORAH: Exw sygkekrimeno erwthma.

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na gyrisw kai na sas kanw anaparastash ths synenteyjhs Typoy poy krathse 2,5 wres.

KORAH: Den eipwqhke tipota. Tria pragmata eipan@

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, eipwqhkan para polla. Me sygxwreite alla diabaste ton Typo ths epomenhs hmeras@

KORAH: Hmoyn paroysa kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakaloysa na diabasete ayta poy grafthkan thn epomenh mera ston Typo.

KORAH: Ta exw diabasei ola. Mporw na kanw thn erwthsh moy twra;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

KORAH: H Ellhnikh Astynomia thn opoia exete epainesei para poly, eixe katalhjei sto symperasma oti h aytoktonia toy Tsalikidh den syndeetai me tis ypoklopes, otan ola ta stoixeia ta opoia proekycan sth synexeia, th syndeoyn amesa. Gia poia epityxia milame kai gia poio apotelesma ereynwn; Ayto einai to diko moy erwthma.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti egine mia prokatarktikh ereyna h opoia oloklhrwqhke. H prokatarktikh ereyna sto stadio ths diereynhshs mias ypoqeshs einai ena kommati ths synolikhs ereynas. Twra briskomaste sto epomeno bhma poy einai h taktikh anakrish. Ayto synexizetai.

KORAH: Kai h teleytaia moy erwthsh: O prwhn Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, meta apo 5 hmeres milwntas sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, anadiplwqhke, phre pisw mexris enos baqmoy th dhlwsh poy ekane sth synenteyjh Typoy oti h etaireia edeije ypeyqynh stash, oti an hqele qa mporoyse na apokrycei to qema kai na mhn to maqei h kybernhsh. H dieykrinish poy ekane htan oti den perimene na parei ayth toy h dhlwsh tis diastaseis poy phre kai poy eylogws phre. Shmera, loipon, poy exoyn apokalyfqei perissotera stoixeia, qa bgei o k. Boylgarakhs na zhthsei mia syggnwmh gi` ayto poy eipe;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Boylgarakhs exei kanei dieykrinistikes dhlwseis meta th synenteyjh Typoy.

KORAH: Sto idio pneyma kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa gi` ayto to qema pro oligoy.

SARANTAKOS: Me dedomeno loipon opws prokyptei apo to porisma ths ADAE h kybernhsh fainetai na mhn einai kai to mono qyma twn ypoklopwn, giati einai aprosdioristos o ariqmos twn ypoklopwn poy eginan. Skeftetai h kybernhsh na enhmerwsei kai toys arxhgoys twn ypoloipwn kommatwn, thn k. Paparhga, ton k. Alabano gia ta stoixeia ths ereynas. Giati einai pi8anon den jerw an parakoloyqoyntai kai oi idioi h o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, an oxi o idios o k. Karamanlhs.

ANTWNAROS: Katarxas, metaferete stoixeia apo to porisma ta opoia den perilambanontai se ayto.

SARANTAKOS: Mila gia aprosdioristo ariqmo thlefwnikwn ypoklopwn to porisma;

ANTWNAROS: As mhn parafrazoyme epishma keimena

KORAH: Einai 67, den einai liga ta noymera. Egine kapoia ereyna;

ANTWNAROS: Ta kommata ths Antipoliteyshs, opws gnwrizete, enhmerwnontai synexws. Allwste gi@ ayto kai shmera synedriazei h Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs, h opoia exei th dynatothta na enhmerwnetai se baqos.

BLAXOS: Sthn arxh ths shmerinhs sas enhmerwshs milhsate gia qema ajiopistias kai skopimothtas pisw apo thn kinhsh Korwnia, na mhn gnwstopoihsei sthn kybernhsh to trito kentro parakoloyqhshs. Pisteyete sthn skopimothta poy ejyphretei ayth h apokrych toy qematos apo ton k. Korwnia.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas diabasw ti akribws eipa: Apo th koinopoihsh ths ypoqeshs sthn kybernhsh apo to dieyqynonta symboylo ths etaireias eleipe to basiko stoixeio sxetika me to trito kentro parakoloyqhshs. Me oti ayto mporei na shmainei gia thn ajiopistia kai tis skopimothtes poy ypokryptontai pisw apo ayth thn kinhsh.

BLAXOS: Ti ypokryptetai pisteyete;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ermhneysw ton eayto moy. Oti eixa na pw to eipa.

BLAXOS: Stis 10 Martioy 8 to brady emfanizetai sto Megaro Majimoy o k. Korwnias kai mprosta ston k. Aggeloy kai ton k. Boylgarakh, tote Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs apokalyptei oti ena systhma parakoloyqhshs parakoloyqoyse ton Prwqypoyrgo, th mish kybernhsh kai polloys alloys polites. Deka lepta argotera o armodios Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs o k. Boylgarakhs, leei me sygxwreite kyrioi exw mia aneilhmmenh politikh ypoxrewsh, prepei na paw kapoy na milhsw kai apoxwrhse. Ayto to eipe o k.Boylgarakhs, einai katagegrammeno sta apomagnhtofwnhmena praktika ths synedriashs ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs, opoy milhse o k. Boylgarakhs.

ANTWNAROS: Ti qelete na peite me ayto;

BLAXOS: Qelw na moy sxoliasete to gegonos.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. O armodios Ypoyrgos enhmerwqhke.

BLAXOS: Meta apo 10 lepta efyge kai toy steilane to katalogo me ta onomata stis 01.30 to brady.

ANTWNAROS: Exete qesei epaneilhmmenws thn idia erwthsh sthn aiqoysa. Exete parei apanthsh. Ginetai merikes fores kai bareth ayth h epanalhch.

BLAXOS: Ayto den to exw janarwthsei einai h prwth fora poy to rwtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Exete janarwthsei to idio akribws pragma. Exw kalh mnhmh.

MPOTSARAKOS: Gia th kybernhsh yparxoyn polites prwths kai deyterhs kathgorias; Yparxei logos poy to rwtaw ayto. Yparxoyn stoixeia symfwna me ta opoia o k. Korwnias eixe apokrycei stoixeia ths ereynas toy egklhmatos twn ypoklopwn. Giati opws o opoiosdhpote allos poliths den exei kinhqei h diadikasia enantion toy apo thn dikaiosynh efoson yparxoyn stoixeia oti diepraje paranomh prajh.

ANTWNAROS: Dioti sas ejhghsa oti h taktikh anakrish brisketai se ejelijh. Den perhfaneyomai gia tis nomikes moy gnwseis, alla orismena basika pragmata qa prepei na ta jerei kaneis.

GALIATSATOS: Qymamai ton k. Boylgarakh sthn diplanh aiqoysa na mas leei oti mas phre para poly wra na katalaboyme th fysh ths ypoqeshs, giati htan texnika kai den ta katalabainame. Ta para polla einai deka lepta;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw na sas pw ti ennoei o kaqenas me th frash ``para pollh wra''.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti me thn apenergopoihsh toy systhmatos xaqhkan polytima stoixeia. Exei parei peistikes apanthseis h kybernhsh apo th Vodafone giati apenergopoihse to systhma. Exei peistei apo tis apanthseis poy exei dwsei;

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqeite kai rwtate thn kybernhsh. Thn ereyna den th diejagei h kybernhsh. H ereyna se baqos exei paei sth Dikaiosynh. H kybernhsh enhmerwqhke ekeino to sygkekrimeno brady oti eixe apenergopoihqei to systhma liges hmeres prin. Sas eipa oti an den eixe apenergopoihqei to systhma, einai piqanon na eixan breqei perissotera stoixeia. Den kanei h kybernhsh thn ereyna. Sygxeete pragmata poy den exoyn kamia sxesh metajy toys.

BLAXOS: H kinhsh na kleisei to logismiko einai sygkalych twn ypoklopwn h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai dikastikos leitoyrgos, wste na apodwsw eyqynes.

BLAXOS: Politika ennow.

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai dikastikos leitoyrgos gia na ekferw gnwmh.

SIDERHS: Mia texnikh erwthsh. Den qa thn eixa kanei se esas alla pali antifaskoyn ta pragmata. Eipate oti katastrafhke to logismiko.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas eipa egw oti katastrafhke to logismiko. Egw sas eipa oti eixe apenergopoihqei to sygkekrimeno systhma.

SIDERHS: Apotypwqhke se magnhtika mesa h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa. Ekana eisagwgikh dhlwsh.

KORAH: O dieyqynths toy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy o k. Giannhs Aggeloy exei to dikaiwma na mhn emfanistei sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias na kataqesei kai th dikh toy apoch kai na apanthsei stis erwthseis twn boyleytwn otan o idios o prwqypoyrgos exei pei ``ola sto fws''.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn oi apanthseis poy edwsa xqes gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

KORAH: Eipate oti den exw na sas pw tipota

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati. Einai mia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

BLAXOS: O k. Korwnias exei idiaiterh symperifora apo tis arxes toy topoy se sxesh me alloys polites;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth h erwthsh moy exei ypoblhqei shmera polles fores.

BLAXOS: To anaferw ayto gia ena aplo logo, dioti o k. Korwnias shmera emfanisthke sthn Boylh. Den mphke apo thn kentrikh eisodo opws mpainoyn oloi oi polites. Den phre kartelaki. Phge sto ypogeio me to aytokinhto toy kai anebhke sto prwto orofo toy Koinoboylioy xwris na ginei kanenas elegxos kai xwris na ginoyn oi typikes diadikasies.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sth Boylh gia tetoioy eidoys diadikastikes leptomereies.

GALIATSATOS: Pote enhmerwqhke h kybernhsh apo ton k. Korwnia gia tis ypoklopes.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth th stigmh den exw proxeira ta stoixeia. Isxyoyn osa sas eipan oi Ypoyrgoi th sygkekrimenh ekeinh mera.

GALIATSATOS: 10 Martioy loipon.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn ayta poy sas eipe h kybernhsh ekeinh th sygkekrimenh hmera.

MPOTSARAKOS: Den isxyoyn ayta poy eipe h kybernhsh ekeinh th mera, giati prokyptoyn nea stoixeia poy edwse o k. Korwnias.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Galiatsatos moy ekane sygkekrimenh erwthsh: Me rwthse pote enhmerwqhke h kybernhsh apo ton k. Korwnia. Eipa oti isxyoyn osa eipe h kybernhsh th sygkekrimenh hmera gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

MPOTSARAKOS: Me bash ta osa eipe o k. Korwnias sthn kybernhsh omws. Dioti apo to porisma ths ADAE@

ANTWNAROS: Katalabate ti me rwthse o k. Galiatsatos;

MPOTSARAKOS: Katalaba poly kala.

ANTWNAROS: Me rwthse pote enhmerwqhke h kybernhsh apo ton k. Korwnia. Oi treis Ypoyrgoi aneferan sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia. Ayth h hmeromhnia isxyei.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Gia to porisma ths ADAE, o Prwqypoyrgos pote enhmerwqhke;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na sas pw ayth th stigmh.

BLAXOS: Qa hqela na moy apanthsete ti problepei o ellhnikos nomos gi` ayton poy metexei se ypoklopes thlefwnwn allwn politwn, opws einai o Prwqypoyrgos kai ti problepei gi` ayton o opoios didei to oikhma toy, tis egkatastaseis toy gia na ginei ayth h ypokloph.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite se egkritoys nomikoys, wste na sas dwsoyn apanthseis.

BLAXOS: Den exei apasxolhsei thn kybernhsh mexri twra;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite se egkritoys nomikoys gia na sas dwsoyn apanthseis. Egw den dinw nomikes apanthseis tetoioy eidoys, se ayth edw thn aiqoysa.

BLAXOS: Ayto shmainei omws oti den exei apasxolhsei thn kybernhsh ti poines prepei na epiballontai.

ANTWNAROS: Sxolia, symperasmata, analyseis, mporeite na kanete ekei opoy ergazeste. Egw den qa sas kanw maqhmata poinikhs dikonomias kai poinikoy kwdika se ayth thn aiqoysa.

BLAXOS: To anaferw ayto giati sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias o armodios Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Papalhgoyras, exei anaferqei onomastika ston k. Korwnia kai sthn etaireia Vodafone, legontas oti einai adiamfisbhthtes oi eyqynes toys.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Isxyei osa exoyn pei oi Ypoyrgoi.

KORAH: H kybernhsh exei zhthsei apo thn ADAE, h den jerw apo kapoion allon forea, giati pragmatika den jerw pws leitoyrgei h olh diadikasia, analysh gi` ayta ta 67 noymera poy parakoloyqoyse to trito kai agnwsto pros esas mexri xqes kentro ypoklophs; An prokeitai dhladh, gia kapoia kainoyria noymera thlefwnwn h gia ta yparxonta poy aplws ta parakoloyqoyse kai ayto to kentro.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den einai ayth h opoia diejagei thn ereyna. Den einai o rolo ths na zhthsei h na ypodeijei se mia arxh ti na kanei h ti prepei na kanei. Thn ereyna th diejagei h Dikaiosynh. Parallhla h anejarthth arxh kanei mia allh dikh ths ereyna. Alimono an oi arxes den mporoysan na kanoyn thn ereyna thn opoia prepei na kanoyn me ola ta stoixeia.

KORAH: Einai kako na pei h kybernhsh kai ena mea culpa; Dioti 11 mhnes epedeije ayth thn oligwria;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den epedeije kamia apolytws oligwria. H kybernhsh thn prwth hmera poy hrqe ayto to qema se gnwsh ths, to parepemce sth Dikaiosynh, opws eixe qesmikh ypoxrewsh.

KORAH: Ti empodise parallhla na apeyqynqei kai sthn ADAE;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. H kybernhsh ekane to qesmiko ths kaqhkon. Einai poly safes ayto to opoio lew.

KORAH: Qesmiko organo, anejarthth arxh (den akoygetai) @

ANTWNAROS: Se ena syntetagmeno kratos leitoyrgoyn kai efarmozontai oi nomoi opws aytoi exoyn chfistei apo to Koinoboylio.

BLAXOS: Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh pws efarmozontai oi nomoi poy exoyn chfistei gia to qema twn ypoklopwn;

ANTWNAROS: Apo palaiotatwn xronwn ginontai egklhmata h alles paranomes prajeis. Oi nomoi einai gia na prostateyoyn toys polites apo tis paranomes prajeis kai na odhgoyn sth Dikaiosynh aytoys oi opoioi kanoyn paranomes prajeis. Ayto den shmainei oti epeidh yparxoyn nomoi oi opoioi efarmozontai, qa stamathsoyn na ginontai paranomes prajeis.

BLAXOS: Exei odhghqei kanenas loipon sth Dikaiosynh apo toys emplekomenoys tosoys mhnes;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti h dikastikh ereyna den exei katalhjei. Einai se ejelijh.

BLAXOS: Ayto na to eklabw ws ypainigmo oti h Dikaiosynh den kanei swsta kai grhgora th doyleia ths;

ANTWNAROS: Na mhn to eklabete ws kanenan ypainigmo. H Dikaiosynh kanei th doyleia ths kai h dikastikh ereyna brisketai se ejelijh.

BLAXOS: Yparxei xroniko orio poy qa teleiwsei ayth h ereyna h qa paei kanadyo xronia;

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Kyritsh, qelate na rwthsete kati gia kapoio allo qema;

KYRITSHS: Diabasa, xqes, sthn efhmerida ``EQNOS'' oti to INTELLIGENCE UNIT toy ECONOMIST exei kanei mia problech, basei ths opoias einai poly piqano h kybernhsh na paei se prowres ekloges, eite logw problhmatwn me thn Toyrkia, eite logw problhmatwn sta Balkania. Qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs panw se ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. Allwste, aytes oi ereynes ginontai apo diaforoys anejarthtoys organismoys, oi opoioi kata kairoys ekponoyn ekqeseis gia diafores xwres, metajy twn opoiwn kai gia th dikh mas. Oi ekqeseis aytes den apoteloyn, bebaiws, epishmes qeseis twn kybernhsewn.

BLAXOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti kapoios symboylece ton k. Karamanlh kai anakoinwse sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai ton ellhniko lao oti meiwnetai h anergia, enw 24 wres argotera apokalyfthke apo stoixeia toy OAED oti oi apolyseis htan perissoteres apo tis proslhceis to 2005.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, se kaqe periptwsh, ajiopisth eikona gia thn poreia ths apasxolhshs kai ths anergias sth xwra, symfwna me tis prodiagrafes ths EUROSTAT, dinei mono h Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia. Symfwna me thn teleytaia ereyna ergatikoy dynamikoy ths Eqnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias, gia to trito trimhno toy 2005, to pososto anergias brisketai sto 9,7%, enanti 11,3% to prwto trimhno toy 2004. Enw o ariqmos twn apasxoloymenwn einai 4.386.000, o megalyteros ariqmos apasxoloymenwn poy exei parathrhqei pote sth xwra mas. Deyteron, genikotera ta stoixeia proslhcewn, kataggeliwn symbashs, oikeioqelwn apoxwrhsewn, prepei na antimetwpizontai me epifylajh kai na tygxanoyn peraiterw epejergasias, kaqws: Prwton, mexri shmera ta stoixeia ayta kataxwroyntai me mh mhxanografiko tropo. Deyteron, perilambanontai kai oi periptwseis syntajiodothsewn -ayjhmenes to 2006- me apotelesma h prokyptoysa ``apwleia qesewn ergasias'' na einai plasmatikh. Triton, asfalh symperasmata qa mporoyn na ejaxqoyn toys epomenoys mhnes, otan qa teqei se plhrh leitoyrgia to hlektroniko systhma kataxwrhshs proslhcewn, kataggeliwn symbashs, oikeioqelwn apoxwrhsewn poy qa diasyndeei ta stoixeia toy OAED, toy IKA kai toy Swmatos Epiqewrhshs Ergasia. Kai telos, yphrxe typografiko laqos stis oikeioqeleis apoxwrhseis toy Febroyarioy 2005. Eixe anagrafei o ariqmos 37.924 anti toy orqoy 24.318. Synepws, to isozygio einai qetiko kata 7.783 qeseis.

Sas eyxaristw.

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