Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-03-01

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 1 Martioy 2006

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 11:00, qa exei synergasia me thn Ypoyrgo Paideias, k. Marietta Giannakoy. Stis 12:00, qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Proedro toy Dikasthrioy twn Eyrwpaikwn Koinothtwn sto Loyjemboyrgo k. Basilh Skoyrh.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Qa qelame na sxoliasete to prwtoselido dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas TA NEA.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti stoixeia eixe na dwsei h kybernhsh, ta exei dwsei prwtistws sth Dikaiosynh kai en synexeia sth dhmosiothta. To mono poy mporw na pw einai oti ta loipa anaferomena sto dhmosieyma, einai myqeymata.

LEONTITSH: Einai sta sxedia ths kybernhshs na allajei ton tropo poy ginetai h politikh epistrateysh, dhladh na mhn ypografetai ayth apo ton arxhgo toy GEEQA, alla apo ton Grammatea Politikhs Prostasias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh epanejetazei to plaisio. Einai alhqeia ayto.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ektos apo to qema ths epistrateysews sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh twn naytergatwn, yparxei@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitajhs.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Yparxei akomh mia allh kathgoria ergazomenwn poy exoyn epitaxqei kai exoyn epistrateyqei, einai oi palaioi SEPites, ean to exete ypoch sas, oi opoioi einai omhroi ayths ths epitajhs h epistrateyshs. To exete ypoch sas ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia na eimai eilikrinhs, den to qymamai.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Einai ena sobaro koinwniko problhma kai oi anqrwpoi aytoi einai ejarthmenoi apo ayth th diadikasia me foberes epiptwseis sthn oikogeneia toys kai sta oikonomika toys. Mia loipon poy yparxei ayto to qema sthn epikairothta, mporeite na mas apanthsete, an nomizete; Qa rwtoysa to armodio Ypoyrgeio, alla einai politiko qema, den einai ejeidikeymeno toy Ypoyrgeioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katarxas qa enhmerwqw apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo. Prin sas pw otidhpote h prin pei ekeinos otidhpote, qa ton enhmerwsw gia to endiaferon poy yparxei sto press room. Den exw na pw kati perissotero. Den to qymamai, opws sas eipa apo thn arxh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia plhroforia apo tis Bryjeles oti oi mikromesaioi ths Eyrwphs, exoyn enan organismo ekei, epelejan na brabeysoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo ws proswpo toy 2005. Exete kati ep` aytoy, an qa ginei h brabeysh stis Bryjeles h edw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den to gnwrizw. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

SIDERHS: Epeidh mas exei mperdecei ligo o mesaios xwros, telika oi trapezites logodotoyn stoys metoxoys h yparxei kai koinwnikh logodosia, opws eipe o k. Tsitoyridhs; To jerete. O k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe oti logodotoyn stoys metoxoys toys kai o k. Tsitoyridhs leei oti yparxei kai koinwnikh logodosia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa mporoysa na pw egw oti einai sygkerasmos kai twn dyo apocewn. Mia trapeza, opws gnwrizete, leitoyrgei ws etaireia, exei metoxoys@

SIDERHS: Twra fwtisthkame!

ROYSOPOYLOS: An eiste metoxos mias trapezas, fantazomai oti qa perimenete na logodotei h trapeza kai se sas gia ta osa exei prajei mesa sto xrono poy perase.

SIDERHS: Exei metaniwsei o Prwqypoyrgos gia thn akatasxeth yposxesiologia toy se sxesh me ton ``Kapodistria'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai xarakthrismoi stoys opoioys den qa anaferqw. O Prwqypoyrgos, h Nea Dhmokratia eixe desmeytei kai proxwrei stis desmeyseis ths.

SIDERHS: Kai nomizete oti twra exete ta epixeira ekeinwn twn yposxesewn@;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

XIWTHS: Mporeite na mas dwsete to plaisio me to opoio epanejetazete ayto to kaqestws ths politikhs epistrateyshs; Ayto einai to prwto erwthma kai to deytero einai: Qa ginei kati nwritera apo thn anaqewrhsh h sto plaisio ths anaqewrhshs qa to antimetwpisete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na dwsw perissoteres plhrofories ayth th stigmh, para mono oti yparxei skech epanejetashs toy plaisioy.

XIWTHS: Nwritera@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katalaba to erwthma sas, aplws den exw na sas pw kati perissotero twra.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligh wra orismenoi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias poy milhsan sth Boylh, kathggeilan h telos pantwn diafwnhsan me thn tropologia poy kateqese h kybernhsh kai ejairei treis mono koinothtes apo ton ``Kapodistria''. Kai malista eipan oti eixe yposxeqei h kybernhsh kai se alles perioxes oti qa tis aytonomhsei kai ayth th stigmh emfanizetai anakoloyqh me tis yposxeseis ths. Ti apantate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw akribws ti exoyn pei oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias. Opws gnwrizete, o boyleyths einai eleyqeros apo to Syntagma, na diatypwnei apoch.

KAKALHS: Pros ti ayth h diglwssia -skopimh kata th gnwmh moy- twn kybernhtikwn stelexwn sto qema toy asfalistikoy; Apo th mia exoyme ton k. Tsitoyridh poy leei oti ta oria hlikias kai to ycos twn syntajewn einai qemata toy dialogoy kontra stis proeklogikes desmeyseis ths kybernhshs kai ton k. Alogoskoyfh na leei oti o dialogos qa ginei xwris periorismoys kai apo thn allh ton k. Antwnaro poy eipe xqes oti isxyei o,ti exei pei proeklogika h kybernhsh. Ti telika isxyei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epikoinwnhsa me ton k. Alogoskoyfh kai ayto poy eipe einai kai h pragmatikothta. Apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs den prokeitai na yparxoyn agkylwseis sth diadikasia toy dialogoy. Ayto to exoyme apodeijei.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite. Ayto ti shmainei; Oti qa syzhthqoyn kai ta oria hlikias kai to ycos twn syntajewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe qema proserxomaste sto dialogo xwris prokatalhceis kai akoygontas toys koinwnikoys etairoys.

BLAXOS: To teleytaio diasthma exoyn cyxranqei oi sxeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Sioyfa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh mhpws kataqesei argotera kai allh tropologia ston ``Kapodistria'' kai gia alles koinothtes; Gnwrizete kati tetoio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O,ti egine, egine;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai. Den gnwrizw kati allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete ``anoikto dialogo''. Dhladh, yparxei periptwsh na aneboyn ta oria hlikias syntajiodothshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme desmeytei se kapoia pragmata. To yp` ariqmon ena sto opoio desmeythkame -kai to exoyme syzhthsei polles fores sto press-room- einai oti sth diarkeia ths tetraetias den qa ginoyn allages. Eixame kalesei toys koinwnikoys etairoys, efoson analhfqhke mia prwtoboylia apo thn OKE opws qymaste, na syzhthsoyme to qema. H paroysa kybernhsh ofeilei me sebasmo stoys Ellhnes polites kai me sobarothta, panw apo ola, na programmatisei ta pragmata, dioti, opws exei eipwqei apo oloys toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys, den prepei h genia mas na afhsei alyta problhmata stis epomenes genies. Yparxoyn problhmata ta opoia mporei na meinoyn alyta, dioti den to epitrepoyn, endexomenws, oi dieqneis synqhkes, dioti den einai dynato na breqei lysh kata th diarkeia ths genias mas. Alla, ayth h genia, den epitrepetai na afhsei alyta problhmata stis epomenes genies. Kai ena apo ayta ta problhmata, poy den epitrepetai na afhsoyme alyto gia tis epomenes genies, einai to qema toy asfalistikoy, to opoio -opws gnwrizete- apotelei meizon qema, oxi mono gia thn Ellada, alla gia para polles xwres. Ekeino poy kanoyme emeis, mesa sto plaisio toy dialogoy einai: Na dhmioyrghqoyn ekeines oi staqeres, oi opoies qa odhghsoyn to dialogo sthn ejeyresh kalyterwn lysewn. Gnwrizete poly kala oti aytes oi staqeres einai oi analogistikes meletes poy prepei na yparxoyn kai na einai sygxrones meletes kai h enopoihsh twn tameiwn, poy einai ena zhthma to opoio exei syzhthqei para polles fores kai gia para polla xronia. Prepei, loipon, aytes oi staqeres na dhmioyrghqoyn, wste na mporesoyme na lysoyme to problhma sto mellon. H epomenh kybernhsh, poy pisteyw oti qa einai kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, qa antimetwpisei ayto to problhma.

BLAXOS: Sthn omilia toy sth Boylh, o k. Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sto qema twn eklogwn, den desmeythke omws oti h kybernhsh qa ejantlhsei thn tetraetia. Yparxei kapoios logos poy den to ekane;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. O k. Papandreoy mas exei synhqisei kai apo to rolo toy sthn antipoliteysh na kanei erwthmata. O Prwqypoyrgos apanta stoys Ellhnes polites, poy empisteythkan thn kybernhsh gia na thrhsei tis desmeyseis ths, na lysei mia seira apo problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn oi Ellhnes polites.

KAKALHS: Mexri twra, staqeres gia thn kybernhsh, se ena dialogo gia to asfalistiko, htan h mh ayjhsh twn oriwn hlikias kai to ycos twn syntajewn@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas symplhrwnw kai twn misqwn kai twn syntajewn.

KAKALHS: Twn misqwn einai allo qema, den empiptei sto asfalistiko. Twra, blepoyme oti staqeres ginontai oi analogistikes meletes kai ta enopoihmena tameia. Ena entelws diaforetiko pragma, poy shmainei dhladh oti apempoleite thn proeklogikh sas kai mexri prosfata desmeysh oti den qa qigoyn ta oria hlikias kai to ycos twn syntajewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean ftaiei h dikh moy diatypwsh h ean to antilhfqhkate eseis etsi. Oi desmeyseis ths kybernhshs paramenoyn. Ekeino poy anefera shmera einai oti xreiazetai na dhmioyrghsoyme mia seira apo staqeres, etsi wste na mporesoyme na antimetwpisoyme to problhma. Kai otan sas anefera tis analogistikes meletes, to dieykrinisa kiolas, gia na ginei katanohto apo oloys. Prepei na exoyme sygxrones, shmerines analogistikes meletes, wste na gnwrizoyme akribws ta problhmata twn tameiwn, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme na ta antimetwpisoyme. Se kaqe periptwsh, ayth h kybernhsh den prokeitai na kanei tipote perissotero apo ayto poy sas eipa: Th dhmioyrgia, dhladh, ekeinwn twn staqerwn, etsi wste na gnwrizoyme, sto telos toy dialogoy, ti xreiazetai h epomenh kybernhsh. Kai epanelaba oti pisteyw pws qa einai h Nea Dhmokratia h epomenh kybernhsh, gia na lysei to problhma.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Aytes oi staqeres poy anaferete twra kai ola ta alla ta stoixeia, den yparxoyn sto programma ths Neas Dhmokratias poy kataqesate proeklogika kai stis programmatikes dhlwseis ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qelw na epimeinete se ayto. Ti diaferei, dhladh, h shmerinh politikh poy akoloyqeitai, apo to programma sas kai apo tis programmatikes dhlwseis afenos kai kata poso oi ypoyrgoi poy enallassontai sta ypoyrgeia, akoloyqoyn to programma sas h proswpikh politikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den yparxei zhthma proswpikhs politikhs. Oi ypoyrgoi akoloyqoyn to kybernhtiko programma. Den diaferei se tipota ayto poy lew shmera, apo ayta poy leme sto programma mas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O k. Abramopoylos proxqes -to shmeiwsa gia na sas rwthsw- ekane thn ejhs kataplhktikh kata th gnwmh moy dhlwsh: ``Ayth th stigmh dianyw mia kalyterh periodo gnwshs. Qa paroysiasw to programma moy ths neas epoxhs''. Poio neo programma toy; Yparxei allh kybernhsh, anhkei se allh kybernhsh; Epi lejei to shmeiwsa, gia na mhn kanw laqos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: E, oxi! Nomizw oti adikeite ton k. Abramopoylo h opoion ypoyrgo exei anaferei kati tetoio. Se kaqe periptwsh, to programma ths Neas Dhmokratias einai to programma poy chfisan oi polites stis ekloges ths 7h Martioy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Giati den to leei o ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti ton adikeite.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ton adikw me ta dika toy logia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me ayto poy ypainisseste.

KYRITSHS: O k. Meimarakhs, eipe shmera ston k. Xiwth, ean den kanw laqos, oti anastellontai ola ta ejoplistika programmata, ta opoia prowqoyse o prokatoxos kai synadelfos toy k. Sphliwtopoylos. Kai ayto einai qema empistosynhs metajy twn melwn ths kybernhshs. Fobatai kati h kybernhsh; Giati proxwra etsi o kainoyrgios ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. O armodios ypoyrgos -kai ayto isxyei kai gia thn prohgoymenh erwthsh- exei thn eyqynh ths efarmoghs enos programmatos. H efarmogh toy programmatos poy chfise o Ellhnas poliths -kai to eipame polles fores ayto- einai zhthma ths armodiothtas toy kaqe ypoyrgoy kai ypoxrewsh toy, oxi aplws desmeysh.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na rwthsw, ean protiqetai h kybernhsh, me bash kai aithmata poy exoyn diatypwqei kai apo thn pleyra boyleytwn ths bebaia, na proxwrhsei sto mellon se nea nomoqetikh ryqmish poy qa afora th dieyqethsh aithmatwn poy exoyn diatypwqei apo koinothtes gia thn ypoqesh toy ``Kapodistria''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka prohgoymenws apo ton k. Stamatopoylo kai apanthsa.

POYLIDOY: Apanthsate oti eixe thn egkrish toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa: Oxi apo o,ti gnwrizw.

LEONTITSH: Egine mia ereyna toy SESME, toy Syndesmoy twn soyper market, se epta megales alysides, se olh thn Eyrwph. Sygkekrimena se 16 xwres, synekrinan 140 proionta ta opoia diakinoyntai se oles aytes tis xwres, einai koina. Merika apo ta symperasmata mono qa sas pw, poy einai xarakthristika: To idio paketo ryzi sth Gallia, gia paradeigma, exei 39 lepta, sthn Ellada 2,66 eyrw, 100 grammaria boytyro 51 lepta, sthn Ellada 2,19 eyrw. To symperasma apo ola ayta, einai oti ta perissotera apo ayta ta proionta exoyn ayjhsh 500% sth xwra mas. Eseis pws to sxoliazete kai pws to ejhgeite ayto to fainomeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw thn ereyna. Einai logiko na mhn gnwrizw kaqe ereyna h kaqe stoixeio ths kaqhmerinothtas mas, xwris na to ypotimw, giati einai shmantiko.

LEONTITSH: Einai mia ereyna toy SESME omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa oti den gnwrizw thn ereyna, paroti einai shmantiko stoixeio ths kaqhmerinothtas mas. Se oti afora th genikh politikh qelw na sas pw gia mia akomh fora: H kybernhsh, dia toy armodioy ypoyrgeioy, prospaqei edw kai para poly kairo, me para polloys tropoys, eite me elegxoys eite me epibolh prostimwn -kai malista ychlwn prostimwn opws gnwrizete- na patajei thn opoia prospaqeia ginetai sthn agora gia kerdoskopia, poy apobainei se baros toy Ellhna katanalwth.

LEONTITSH: O SESME omws leei oti exei enhmerwqei o ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs. Me ayta ta stoixeia, omws, den blepoyme na yparxei kapoia allagh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na sas pw tipote perissotero.

SIDERHS: Blepete apotelesmatikh thn prospaqeia toy ypoyrgeioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se polles periptwseis nai. Exoyn yparjei periptwseis sto parelqon, opoy opws qymaste kai eseis -to syzhthsame kai se ayth thn aiqoysa- den petyxan prospaqeies kerdoskopias se mia seira proion. Kai qymaste para poly kala oti htan enantion ayths ths kybernhshs to ekbiastiko dillhma apo orismenoys ekproswpoys tetoiwn epixeirhsewn kai h kybernhsh den ypekyce.

SIDERHS: Den antilegei kaneis, alla den sas rwthsa gia memonwmenes periptwseis. Ws genikh kinhsh, ws meso oro akribeias, eipa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan milame gia ta soyper market, anaferomaste se megalo pososto twn Ellhnwn politwn, oi opoioi agorazoyn ta eidh prwths anagkhs apo ayta.

KAKALHS: Qa moy epitrecete ep` aytoy na pw oti ta epishma stoixeia ths Eqnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias einai diaforetika. Ta xqesina epishma stoixeia lene oti o deikths biomhxanikwn proiontwn, o deikths xondrikhs dhladh, ayjhqhke ton Genarh 9,3%. Ekane ena alma, triplasio sxedon toy plhqwrismoy. Kai malista eidika ston tomea twn trofimwn kai twn potwn, jeperase to 11%. Apo poy kai ws poy apodeiknyetai apotelesmatikh h prospaqeia ths kybernhshs gia antimetwpish ths akribeias poy eipate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti se para polles periptwseis ayth h prospaqeia exei apodeixqei apotelesmatikh. Anaferqhka se peristatika, ta opoia exoyme syzhthsei kai se ayth thn aiqoysa. H prospaqeia mas, opws gnwrizete, einai diarkhs.

KYRITSHS: Apo ereyna ths etaireias ``Rush'', gia logariasmo ths dhmosias thleorashs, ths NET, prokyptei oti to 90% twn erwthqentwn taxqhkan yper twn kinhtopoihsewn -aytes poy o Prwqypoyrgos xarakthrise ``akraies''- kai to 75% apo aytoys exoyn th gnwmh oti h kybernhsh tassetai yper twn ergodotwn kai twn trapezitwn. Qelw na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh me bash aytes tis diapistwseis, protiqetai na allajei grammh pleyshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw th sygkekrimenh ereyna poy lete. Isxyei oti lew pantote gia tis ereynes.

KAKALHS: H NET, sth NET epaije.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poly perissotero loipon, poy apodeiknyei akribws thn anejarthsia ths NET.

IWANNOY: Epeidh shmera to prwi yphrje mia entash sta nayphgeia Skaramagka, kata thn episkech ths k. Jenogiannakopoyloy, opoy h dioikhsh apagoreyse oysiastika stoys dhmosiografoys kai tis kameres na mpoyn mesa ston ergasiako xwro kai h k. Jenogiannakopoyloy, ap` oti gnwrizoyme, kathggeile to gegonos dhmosia kai arnhqhke na synanthqei me th dioikhsh, qa hqela kapoio sxolio, an qewreite h pisteyete oti einai dikaiwma ths kaqe dioikhshs na apagoreyei th dhmosiopoihsh mias episkechs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Syntassomai me thn kataggelia, xwris na gnwrizw thn akribh diatypwsh. Epi ths arxhs, omws, thn briskw para poly swsth. Qewrw oti einai laqos se opoiondhpote na apokleiei toys dhmosiografoys kai kata synepeia thn enhmerwsh apo toys Ellhnes polites.

SIDERHS: Kai, an moy epitrepete, einai h deyterh fora poy ginetai ayto. Egine kai me ton k. Alabano otan phge stis egkatastaseis toy OTE stoy Renth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den allazw thn apoch moy.

POYLIDOY: Ena sxolio qa hqela gia th xqesinh synanthsh Anan-Papadopoyloy sto Parisi. An qewreite oti to apotelesma ths proagei tis prospaqeies epilyshs toy Kypriakoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh pisteyei oti einai ena qetiko bhma, ena bhma pros th swsth kateyqynsh. Einai gnwsto oti h kybernhsh einai diateqeimenh na symballei sthn aneyresh mia dikaihs kai biwsimhs lyshs sto plaisio toy OHE, h opoia qa einai symfwnh me to Dieqnes Dikaio kai qa synadei me tis arxes kai ths ajies ths E.E.. Se ayto to plaisio, ta epomena bhmata, prepei na einai prosektika kai poly kala proetoimasmena.

Sas eyxaristw.

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