Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-02-08

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Aqhna, 8 Febroyarioy 2006

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 12:30, qa exei synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Koinoboyleytikhs Syneleyshs toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs k. Ban Nter Linten.

Qa hqela na anaferqw se dyo akomh zhthmata: Ekkremei apo xqes, se erwthsh toy k. Kakalh gia to Kosobo: Yparxei apofash ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, alla kai ths Omadas Epafhs, h opoia problepei th diadikasia, ta krithria kai tis arxes panw stis opoies qa prepei na sthrixtei h apofash gia to mellontiko kaqestws toy Kosoboy. To apotelesma twn diapragmateysewn prepei na einai apodekto kai apo tis dyo pleyres kai na mhn einai proion epibolhs. Se kaqe periptwsh, h diadikasia brisketai se ejelijh kai einai prowro na prodikazetai apo ton opoiondhpote h ekbash ths.

Epishs plhroforhqhka, erxomenos, oti o k. Papandreoy ekane kapoies dhlwseis sxetika me thn kybernhtikh politikh. H apanthsh moy einai oti h politikh twn megalwn qesmikwn metarryqmisewn qa synexistei, giati ayto zhthsan oi Ellhnes polites stis ekloges toy 2004 kai giati ayto eggyatai mia pragmatika isxyrh kai antagwnistikh oikonomia. Mia oikonomia poy anaptyssetai synexws, paragontas perissoteres qeseis ergasias, perissotero eqniko ployto kai megalytero koinwniko merisma.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hrqe h konteyei h wra toy anasxhmatismoy, giati ta teleytaia eikositetrawra yparxei, toylaxiston sta dhmosiografika grafeia, mia anastatwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero sta osa exw pei hdh gia ton anasxhmatismo.

BLAXOS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti o men k. Boylgarakhs leei pws den yparxei sxesh ths aytoktonias me to qema twn ypoklopwn, enw thn idia wra o k. Papalhgoyras leei oti yparxoyn anapanthta erwthmatika se sxesh me thn aytoktonia kai to qema twn ypoklopwn kai qa prepei h Dikaiosynh na ta diereynhsei. Yparxei diafwnia; Kai kati akomh: Yparxei problhma me ton k. Boylgarakh, giati exei kanei dyo dhlwseis oi opoies ermhneyetai oti einai konta stis apoceis ths etaireias Vodafone;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, h apanthsh einai arnhtikh, kai den isxyei gia thn kybernhsh to sxolio to opoio kanate. Malista, xqes, o k. Boylgarakhs eixe thn eykairia na milhsei analytika gia to qema ayto, sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias. Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos, exw mprosta moy ta praktika ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias. Qa sas synistoysa, mias kai einai ena qema me to opoio asxolhqhkate oloi gia para poly kairo, na ta diabasete kapoia stigmh. Egw, apo ayta ta praktika, qa sas diabasw ti eipe o k. Papalhgoyras:

``Kai epeidh -leei o k. Papalhgoyras pros thn Epitroph- plhroforhqhka oti yphrjan dyo thleoptikoi staqmoi, oi opoioi isxyristhkan taxa oti yparxei diastash metajy toy ti lew egw o idios kai ti leei o k. Boylgarakhs, qelw akribws na shmeiwsw oti anaferomai se erwthmata ta opoia den exoyn na kanoyn me thn astynomikh pleyra toy pragmatos, poy, opws ejeqese o k. Boylgarakhs, exei oloklhrwqei se sxesh me thn aytoktonia, alla sta erwthmata ta opoia opwsdhpote ayth thn wra exoyn na kanoyn me th dikastikh ereyna ths ypoqeshs''.

Na to pw ligo diaforetika: Ean ypoqesoyme oti o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, enw h ypoqesh synolika ereynatai apo th Dikaiosynh, elege ``gia mas exei kleisei to qema'', eylogws oloi eseis kai oi Ellhnes polites qa dierwtwnto, ma, pws einai dynaton o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs na leei oti exei kleisei to qema, th stigmh poy einai anoixto kai diereynatai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati edw poy dwsate th synenteyjh den eipate ola ayta, den dwsate ola ta onomata kai xqes o k. Boylgarakhs edwse 10 onomata astynomikwn, apo toys opoioys oi dyo dhlwnoyn oti den eixan Vodafone. Den eprepe na ta deite apo thn prwth mera kai ta onomata twn astynomikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Thn prwth hmera -kai parakalw diabaste sto keimeno, to opoio exete, ti eipwqhke apo ton k. Boylgarakh kai apo toys ypoloipoys- leme: Afoy egw diabazw ta onomata twn politikwn kai sas lew oti qa sas pw ta onomata mono twn politikwn proswpwn poy perilambanontai sth lista, h opoia qa sas dianemhqei se ligo me ola ta onomata. Kai diabazw ta onomata. Kai synexizw: ``Yparxoyn kai alla onomata, qa sas dianemhqei h lista. Kai yparxoyn kai ariqmoi thlefwnwn poy den anhkoyn se proswpa, alla se alloys foreis. O k. Boylgarakhs mporei na sas anaferei ena- dyo paradeigmata''. Kai pairnei to logo o k. Boylgarakhs kai sas leei: ``To synolo sxedon twn thlefwnwn poy xrhsimopoioyse h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, to synolo sxedon twn thlefwnwn poy xrhsimopoioyse h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs. Yparxoyn epishs orismena thlefwna apo th Nea Dhmokratia, yparxei ena thlefwno ths Amerikanikhs Presbeias, yparxoyn kapoia thlefwna poy xrhsimopoioysan stelexh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai einai xrewmena sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Kai ayto to lew, giati h lista periexei mono onomata. Yparxoyn epishs thlefwna ta opoia einai kataxwrhmena sthn etaireia AKETE poy einai, sas qymizw, etaireia sthn opoia symmeteixe o Prwqypoyrgos kai ta opoia xrhsimopoioyse h syzygos toy. Yparxoyn epishs thlefwna toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Naytikoy kai toy Ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias''. Ara, loipon, apo thn prwth stigmh exoyn anaferqei. Moy doqhke h eykairia kai xqes na to janapw kai proxqes. Exoyn anaferqei ola ta stoixeia ths listas. Den doqhkan -kai to epanalambanw- oi ariqmoi twn thlefwnwn poy anhkan se etaireies, se organismoys, se foreis kai ta opoia thlefwna xrhsimopoioysan kata kairoys diaforetika proswpa. Ara, loipon, den exoyme mia nea lista, opws akoysa h diabasa h legetai apo orismenoys. Exoyme akribws ta idia stoixeia apo thn arxh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios o logos tote na ta anakoinwsei xqes ayta ta onomata; Yphrje kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhke apo toys boyleytes sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, ``poia einai, dwste mas merika paradeigmata apo ayta poy eipate'' kai apanthse sygkekrimena pleon oti ``se ayta poy exw pei'', kai eipe: O Arxhgos Astynomias, o prwhn arxhgos, o antistrathgos tade kok. Dhladh, poioi einai aytoi oi opoioi kata kairoys htan xrhstes aytwn twn thlefwnikwn syskeywn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O prwhn arxhgos ths Astynomias eipe oti egw den exw Vodafone.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yphrje dieykrinish xqes to brady, an to exete parakoloyqhsei to qema. Gia mia periodo ligwn mhnwn eixe xrhsimopoihqei ena thlefwno.

MPOTSARAKOS: Mas eipate oti den mas dwsate ta onomata poy den eixan taytopoihqei se sxesh me ta proswpa dhladh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den sas eipa ayto. Etsi opws to lete ``den eixan taytopoihqei'' kai an h diatypwsh einai akribws etsi, afhnei mia yponoia oti mexri ekeinh thn wra den eixan taytopoihqei. Enw, to akribes einai ayto to opoio eipwqhke kai sas to diabasa kai prohgoymenws.

MPOTSARAKOS: Qa doyme kai alla onomata anqrwpwn poy xrhsimopoioysan thlefwna poy eixan kapoioi foreis kai ta eixan diaqesei se ayta ta proswpa; Profanws, yparxoyn kai alla onomata, ektos apo ayta, giati eipate oti edwse kapoia sygkekrimena paradeigmata o k. Boylgarakhs. Na perimenoyme ki alla onomata; Qelw epishs na rwthsw, ean epibebaiwnete tis plhrofories poy miloyn gia thlefwna dhmosiografwn kai epixeirhmatiwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den epibebaiwnetai kapoia tetoia plhroforia. Me rwthsate kai xqes h proxqes se sxesh me thlefwna dhmosiografwn kai epixeirhmatiwn. Wstoso, janalew oti o k. Boylgarakhs, xqes sthn Epitroph, edwse ta sygkekrimena paradeigmata gia na katanohsoyn oloi, ti shmainei didw onomata ta opoia antistoixoyn se ariqmoys kai didw ariqmoys oi opoioi exrhsimopoioynto apo diaforetika proswpa.

PALAIOLOGOS: H eikona poy yparxei apo th xqesinh kataqesh twn dyo Ypoyrgwn se sxesh me thn istoria twn ypoklopwn einai mallon sygkexymenh. Na parw xarakthristika thn ypoqesh ths aytoktonias. Gia ton men k. Boylgarakh den exei prokycei kapoio qema apo tis mexri twra ereynes, opws toylaxiston feretai na exei pei@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Twra hrqate; Htan h prwth erwthsh poy moy egine kai thn exw apanthsei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla egw thn kanw pio sygkekrimenh gia to qema ths aytoktonias. Gia ton de k. Papalhgoyra eipe oti diereynatai akomh apo th Dikaiosynh. Den yparxei mia diastash, otan o men k. Boylgarakhs apokleiei th sysxetish ths ypoqeshs ths aytoktonias me thn ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qymamai poios synadelfos sas ekane thn erwthsh, alla mhn ton ypotimate. Sygkekrimenh thn ekane kai sygkekrimenh apanthsh edwsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, den ypotimw kanenan. Egw omws lew to sygkekrimeno gia thn istoria ayth. Giati feretai toylaxiston@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma, sas lew oti sygkekrimena rwthse kai o synadelfos sas sthn arxh kai yphrje sygkekrimenh apanthsh. Diabasa apospasma apo ta praktika ths Boylhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den yparxei diastash, dhladh, me thn ypoqesh ths aytoktonias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To eipa.

SIDERHS: Ta xqesina onomata einai pio sokaristika kai apo ta prwta. Giati, ton Prwqypoyrgo mporei kaneis na mhn to katalabei oti ton parakoloyqoyn, akribws giati kaneis den skeptetai oti qa mporoysan na parakoloyqoyn enan Prwqypoyrgo. Otan omws ftanei sto shmeio na parakoloyqoyn aytoys poy nomimws qa eprepe na parakoloyqoyn, ton arxhgo ths EYP, ton arxhgo ths Antitromokratikhs, ta pragmata einai para poly sobara. Poso hsyxos mporei na einai o poliths kai poso asfalhs na niwqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oti h ypoqesh einai poly sobarh exei eipwqei apo thn prwth stigmh kai me ayth th skech thn proseggise h kybernhsh, prin kan doqei sth dhmosiothta to qema. Kata synepeia den xreiazetai na moy to epishmainete. To gnwrizei h kybernhsh kai to gnwrizoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites oti einai mia sobarh ypoqesh, thn opoia poly sobara diaxeiristhkan oi armodioi me qesmiko kai ypeyqyno tropo.

SIDERHS: Syggnwmh gia to xioymor, alla pleon mono geloiografika mporoyme na to doyme. Mhpws h kybernhsh qa prepei na maqei th nohmatikh glwssa, giati den yparxei allos tropos na mhn sas akoyne pleon otan synedriazete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Kakalh, exete to logo.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, den exei barythta h dhlwsh toy k. Boylgarakh oti aposyndeetai h aytoktonia me thn ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn kai exei mono barythta h dhlwsh toy k. Papalhgoyra gia thn peraiterw ereyna, th dikastikh ereyna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eyxaristw gia thn erwthsh poy moy qesate, giati moy dinete thn eykairia, ean dhmioyrghqhke opoiadhpote aporia, na jekaqarisw kai pali: O k. Boylgarakhs anaferqhke sthn astynomikh ereyna. H astynomikh ereyna egine, teleiwse. To exei pei kai sth Boylh, alla kai se alles dhmosies dhlwseis toy. Ean o k. Papalhgoyras elege -eipa prohgoymenws gia na to katalaboyme oloi, na pame anapoda- oti teleiwse to qema, eseis o idios, oloi mas, oloi oi Ellhnes polites, qa dierwtwnto pws einai dynaton o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs na leei oti teleiwse ena qema, otan h ypoqesh sth Dikaiosynh einai akomh anoikth. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti h Astynomia den exei kanei thn ereyna ths kai den exei katalhjei se symperasmata. H Astynomia ekane thn ereyna ths kai katelhje se symperasmata. H dikastikh ereyna, gia to synolo ths ypoqeshs, den exei oloklhrwqei akoma. Kapoia stigmh endexetai na zhthqoyn kai alla stoixeia. Endexetai na zhthqoyn kai alloy eidoys elegxoi. Den yparxei, loipon, antifash.

KAKALHS: Gia thn aytoktonia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia thn aytoktonia, bebaiws. Den yparxei kapoia antifash.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qelw na kanw dyo erwthseis. H prwth: An exoyn perielqei sto Megaro Majimoy plhrofories poy feroyn syggeniko proswpo toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs k. Boylgarakh na ergazotan sto parelqon ws nomikos symboylos sth VODAFONE. H deyterh afora ta osa eipan xqes o k. Ebert kai o k. Kaklamanhs. Kata th gnwmh sas, to gegonos oti zhthsan na profylakistei o k. Korwnias den apotelei parembash sth Dikaiosynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, den gnwrizw kati tetoio, opws ayto poy lete. Se kaqe periptwsh, den yparxei oikogeneiakh politikh eyqynh. H nomimh ergasia, efoson h ergasia toy kaqenos einai nomimh, den mporei na kathgoreitai apo ton opoiondhpote. Se ayth thn aiqoysa exoyme syzhthsei antistoixa qemata kai sto parelqon. Oson afora to deytero skelos, yparxei mia poly shmantikh diafora an eipwqhke apo boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias oti qa eprepe enas idiwths, en prokeimenw o emplekomenos idiwths, o dieyqynwn symboylos ths idiwtikhs etaireias, na einai diwkomenos, den qymamai th diatypwsh poy egine. Einai allo ayto kai allo to na epiteqei ena politiko stelexos enantion toy eisaggelea gia ton tropo me ton opoio leitoyrghse, ypainissomenos ayta poy sas eipa kai xqes kai proxqes.

TSIODRAS: Eipate prin sxetika me ton k. Boylgarakh kai ton k. Papalhgoyra oti den yparxei antifash, giati o k. Boylgarakhs miloyse gia thn astynomikh ereyna poy egine kai o k. Papalhgoyras gia th dikastikh poy brisketai se ejelijh. Omws, h ellhnikh glwssa einai arketa ploysia kai nomizw oti ean hqele na pei kati o Papalhgoyras diaforetiko, qa mporoyse na to pei. Dhladh, gia paradeigma, den qa mporoyse na milhsei gia ``anapanthta erwthmata''. Qa mporoyse na pei oti yparxei dikastikh ereyna se ejelijh kai perimenoyme to porisma ths. Otan mila gia ``erwthmata'' proxwra ena bhma perissotero apo ayto poy mas lete. Qa mporoyse na anaferqei kallista, na pei oti egine h astynomikh ereyna, den brhke tipote, ginetai h dikastikh ereyna kai perimenoyme to apotelesma. Teleia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto egine. Ayto poy lete.

TSIODRAS: Giati yparxoyn anapanthta erwthmata. Poy shmainei oti h astynomikh ereyna den mas kalyptei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na synexisw, giati den ta qymaste kala. Exw mprosta moy to keimeno kai an qelete na sas to janadiabasw. ``Anaferomai -leei o k. Papalhgoyras- se erwthmata'', den eipe anapanthta, alla se erwthmata (dexomai thn idia logikh poy lete kai eseis) ta opoia den exoyn na kanoyn me thn astynomikh pleyra toy pragmatos. Ara, eipe ayto poy lete.

BLAXOS: Oloi jeroyme oti mia proanakritikh diadikasia jekina sthn periptwsh poy yparxoyn amfibolies gia thn telesh enos egklhmatos. Ginetai proanakritikh gia na doyn: yparxei egklhma h den yparxei; Edw, to egklhma yparxei. Sas to eipe o k. Korwnias. Hrqe 10 Martioy sto Megaro Majimoy kai eipe: kyrioi, yparxei egklhma, ypokloph. Yparxei kataskopia. Poly barytero to egklhma. Enteka mhnes giati kanate prokatarktikh ejetash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite; Den thn kaname emeis, h Dikaiosynh thn ekane.

BLAXOS: Ayto akribws erwtw. H prokatarktikh -to gnwrizete poly kala kai apo thn peira sas ws dhmosiografos- ginetai gia na diapistwqei ean yparxei egklhma. Edw to egklhma einai omologhmeno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opoia ki an einai h peira moy sth zwh ws dhmosiografoy h ws politikoy ta teleytaia xronia, se kaqe periptwsh den qa apostw twn qesewn na mpw sth logikh h sth qesh kapoioy alloy. O eisaggeleas, h Dikaiosynh, apofasise na proxwrhsei se prokatarktikh ejetash. Ayto problepetai apo toys nomoys toy kratoys. Den mporw na sas pw apo poio sygkekrimeno nomo. Ekane, loipon, o eisaggeleas, afoy eixe thn ypoqesh sta xeria toy -kai o eisaggeleas toy Areioy Pagoy kai o eisaggeleas Prwtodikwn ston opoio eteqh- proxwrhse sthn prokatarktikh ejetash.

BLAXOS: Gia na diapistwqei ti k. Ekproswpe; Oti yparxei ena egklhma, th stigmh poy o k. Korwnias exei erqei kai sas exei pei oti yparxei egklhma kai malista barytato egklhma kai kataskopias; Giati einai profanhs kai h kataskopia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia na katalabw, ti ennoeite; Oti den eprepe na asxolhqei kaqoloy h Dikaiosynh me to qema;

BLAXOS: Oxi. Eprepe na askhsei diwjeis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: A! Lete ti eprepe na kanoyn oi eisaggeleis. Egw den qa to pw. Den einai dikh moy doyleia, oyte exw gnwsh.

BLAXOS: Ma, me sygxwreite k. Ekproswpe@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas lew oti oyte doyleia moy einai, oyte gnwsh exw gia na pw ti eprepe na kanoyn oi eisaggeleis. Oi eisaggeleis leitoyrgoyn me bash toys nomoys toy ellhnikoy kratoys.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras parakoloyqeitai. Einai karampinath periptwsh kataskopias. Den hrqate edw na mas peite oti parakoloyqoyntai oi epixeirhmaties tade gia na poyme oti yparxei qema oikonomikhs kataskopias. Edw yparxei kataskopia. Parakoloyqeitai o Prwqypoyrgos, oi ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn, Amynas. Einai kataskopia. Enteka mhnes akomh anazhtoyme an einai egklhma kai den exoyn askhqei diwjeis; Den afora ayto thn kybernhsh; Den afora th leitoyrgia ths Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diatypwsate me diaforetiko tropo thn erwthsh sas, wstoso isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa prohgoymenws.

SIDERHS: Den katalaba thn apanthsh sas, se sxesh me ton k. Ebert. Eipate oti einai allo na milas gia enan dieyqynonta symboylo kai allo na epitiqesai kata enos eisaggelea. O k. Ebert den milhse kata enos dieyqynonta symboyloy. Eipe oti aytos qa eprepe na eixe prosaxqei kai na eixe fylakistei. Dhladh, edwse kateyqynsh pros th Dikaiosynh, na mhn pw oti askhse piesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Mhn to peite, giati qa eiste kai adikos apenanti ston k. Ebert kai en pash periptwsei qa einai san na mhn exete akoysei ti eipwqhke tis prohgoymenes hmeres apo ton k. Pagkalo kai apo ton k. Benizelo. H qesh ths kybernhshs, h qesh ths Neas Dhmokratias einai pantote safhs, sygkekrimenh kai idia.

SIDERHS: Ma, den exw ton k. Aqanasakh apenanti moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto qema ayto einai akribws idia.

SIDERHS: Qa ta akoyge kai o k. Aqanasakhs gi` ayta poy eipan oi alloi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw den krinw th doyleia sas. Pros Qeoy! Sas epanalambanw oti den sxoliazoyme th leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs.

TSIODRAS: Qa anaferqw kai pali sth leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs. Perimenw, omws, kapoio sxolio, oxi se sxesh me to pws kinhqhke. Anefera xqes mia plhroforia oti o k. Linos, opws eipate, eixe enhmerwqei apo thn arxh se sxesh me thn aytoktonia, o k. Papaggelopoylos dhlwse oti enhmerwqhke gia thn aytoktonia arketoys mhnes meta. Ayto den prokalei kapoia erwthmatika sthn kybernhsh, to pws enas eisaggelikos leitoyrgos enhmerwnetai amesws gia ena shmeio ths ypoqeshs, to opoio kai h kybernhsh krinei apo th stigmh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite poy sas diakoptw. Antilambanomai to rolo to diko sas kai antilambaneste kai to rolo to diko moy.

TSIODRAS: Bebaiws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: As poyme: Ean rwtoysate ena synadelfo sas toy koinoboyleytikoy reportaz poy parakoloyqhse th xqesinh diadikasia, den qa ekane ayth thn erwthsh, giati yparxei hdh apanthsh apo ton k. Boylgarakh sta osa eipwqhkan, sth selida 29 twn praktikwn. Exei doqei apanthsh apo ton k. Boylgarakh. Mhn apantw ta idia pragmata poy apanthqhkan xqes apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys.

KAKALHS: Pws ektima h kybernhsh th synergasia me tis mystikes yphresies epta jenwn kratwn poy eginan kata th diarkeia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, me dedomeno oti den kataferan an mh ti allo na apotrecoyn thn parakoloyqhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy misoy ypoyrgikoy symboylioy. Qewrei oti ayth h synergasia htan petyxhmenh h ta phgan poly kala oi mystikes yphresies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H synolikh apotimhsh gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes exei ginei poly palaiotera. Den exw logo na epanalabw kanenos eidoys skeceis panw se ayto.

KAKALHS: Oxi synolika gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Gia th sygkekrimenh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Synolika. Eipa gia thn asfaleia k.o.k. Malista, me rwthsate kai thn Paraskeyh.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, epanalambanete kai shmera oti htan asfaleis oi Olympiakoi Agwnes; Ayto mas lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apodeixqhkan ek twn pragmatwn asfaleis.

BLAXOS :Ek twn pragmatwn apodeixqhkan. Akribws to antiqeto apodeixqhke.

MPOTSARAKOS: Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Eixame ena dhmosieyma -sas rwthsame kai palaiotera- se sxesh me thn omada OLAF kai mas eipate oti afora xrhmatodothsh apo yphresia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs gia th diwjh toy oikonomikoy egklhmatos, an qymamai kala. Alla, epanerxontai dhmosieymata kai miloyn gia omada parakoloyqhshs kinhtwn thlefwnwn gia thn asfaleia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prin apo ligh wra, ekdoqhke analytikh apanthsh apo to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, poy anaferetai akribws se ayto to opoio me rwtate kai epibebaiwnei ta osa eipa proxqes edw.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes to deltio eidhsewn toy ANT-1 metedwse ena reportaz, to opoio me kapoio tropo fainetai na syndeontai kai apla se rwtw ean to epibebaiwnete, oi dyo ypoqeseis twn Pakistanwn me thn ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn. Yparxoyn kapoia stoixeia apo thn ereyna poy exete kanei, poy mporei kapoios na milhsei gia ton opoiondhpote sysxetismo twn dyo ypoqesewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den exw ypoch moy tetoia stoixeia.

SIDERHS: Qa anakoinwsei telika h kybernhsh poies epixeirhseis phran daneia kai telika metanasteysan se geitonika krath; To lew giati shmera se mia prwinh ekpomph janaeida to drama 200 oikogeneiwn poy menoyn anerges, epeidh h biotexnia poy doyleyan feygei gia th Boylgaria. Ayto to drama qa to lysete pote; Toylaxiston na maqoyme poioi htan oi aetonyxhdes poy phran to kratiko xrhma, tis epidothseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporw eyxaristws na metaferw to erwthma sas sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs kai qa to kanw.

BLAXOS: Sas akoysa prin apo ligo na epanalambanete oti oi Olympiakoi Agwnes, htan asfaleis. Akoma kai sthn periptwsh poy parakoloyqoysan to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa: Ek twn pragmatwn, oi Olympiakoi Agwnes apodeixqhke oti eginan me asfaleia.

BLAXOS: H asfaleia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn einai giati den egine tromokratia h giati prostateyqhkan ta thlefwna ychlwn proswpwn; Qa mporoyse dhladh aytos poy parakoloyqoyse to thlefwno toy k. Karamanlh, na to parakoloyqei gia na dei poy phgainei, prokeimenoy na toy kanei mia epiqesh. Ara den htan asfalhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti apanthsh edoqh prin apo ligo, edoqh prin apo liges hmeres k.o.k.. Ek twn pragmatwn, oi Olympiakoi Agwnes eginan se ena apo ta asfalestera periballonta poy eginan dieqnws Olympiakoi Agwnes kai eidika meta thn 11h Septembrioy kai tis epiqeseis poy eginan stis HPA.

BLAXOS: S` ayto poy lete, ``ek twn pragmatwn'', den symperilambanete kai thn apokalych gia tis ypoklopes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

KAKALHS: Ayto akribws qelw na rwthsw kai egw. Dhladh, pws ginetai, na einai asfaleis oi Olympiakoi Agwnes kai na mhn einai asfaleis oyte oi thlefwnikes syndialejeis toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Ti ennoeite oti den mphke kapoia bomba;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti egine, to eidame oloi.

KAKALHS: Ayto akribws eidame, oti einai diatrhto to systhma asfaleias. Kai eseis to anagoreysate se zhthma eqnikhs asfaleias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na sas pw, oti poly apla kai me mia grammh pernate, entajei den egine kai tipota. Qymaste ti eixe ginei pagkosmiws gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004; Qymaste ta xiliades dhmosieymata se olo ton kosmo; Qymaste tis erwthseis poy eginan sto press room; Egw hmoyn Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai eseis me rwtoysate gia to an exoyme th bebaiothta oti qa ginoyn asfaleis agwnes, oti den qa exoyme tromokratikes epiqeseis, oti den qa xtyphqoyn politikoi; Ena swro antiproswpeies ychlwn politikwn proswpwn, perissoterwn apo 150 xwrwn hrqan sthn Ellada. Eixame kapoioy eidoys tetoio atyxhma; Eixame egxeirhma, epixeirhsh enantion toy opoioydhpote; Den eixame tipote ap` ola ayta. Sas qymizw oti stoys amesws prohgoymenoys Olympiakoys Agwnes eixame mexri kai apagwges aqlhtwn. Kai stoys pro-prohgoymenoys epishs eixame tetoia problhmata. Ara, loipon, pws me rwtate enamish xrono meta an eginan me asfaleia; Bebaiws kai eginan me asfaleia oi Olympiakoi Agwnes.

KAKALHS: Eixame kati xeirotero, giati eixame kataskopeia kata th diarkeia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

MPOTSARAKOS: Xqes, o k. Boylgarakhs eipe, oti an den eixe apenergopoihqei to logismiko, qa mporoyse na entopistoyn oi drastes me akribeia dwmatioy. Kai o k. Papalhgoyras eipe oti stis erwthseis poy ekane ston k. Korwnia, giati kaqysterhse na enhmerwsei thn kybernhsh, apo th stigmh poy to antelhfqh ws th stigmh poy hrqe sto Megaro Majimoy, ekeinos edwse sygkexymenes apanthseis. Ayta ta dyo sthn oysia, synistoyn apodosh eyqynwn ston k. Korwnia gia thn taktikh poy akoloyqhse kai anarwtiemai ean einai ayth h epishmh qesh ths kybernhshs, oti s` ayta ta dyo shmeia, ws pros thn apenergopoihsh toy logismikoy kai thn kaqysterhsh enhmerwshs, h etaireia eixe eyqynh se sxesh kai me tis symbatikes ths ypoxrewseis me to kratos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Hdh se tria shmeia, diabasa sygkekrimena apospasmata apo ta praktika. Epitrecte moy, omws, na mhn diabasw apospasmata twn praktikwn se ola ta shmeia sta opoia qelete na egeirete erwthmata. Giati opws diapistwsate diabazontas ta sygkekrimena apospasmata, oi apanthseis yparxoyn sta praktika. Qa sas parakalesw kai pali, na diabasete ta praktika ths Boylhs.

BLAXOS: Epanerxomai sthn apanthsh poy dwsate ston k. Kakalh. Me ti stoixeia eseis, bgainete shmera kai lete, oti den xtyphqhke kanenas politikos. Me ti stoixeia dhladh, apokleietai oti aytos o opoios parakoloyqoyse to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den to ekane prokeimenoy na etoimasei tromokratikh epiqesh enantion toy Kwsta Karamanlh. Exete kapoia stoixeia, to exete diereynhsei; Exete apodeiktika stoixeia oti aytos poy to parakoloyqhse den htan tromokraths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Zeite se allh xwra;

BLAXOS: Eimai apenanti sas zwntanos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixame epiqesh enantion toy opoioydhpote politikoy stoxoy sthn diarkeia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004;

BLAXOS: Qa mporoyse na parakoloyqei to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy, prokeimenoy na ton xtyphsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ek twn ysterwn tromolagneia den yparxei.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla kai eseis, den mporeite na lete oti ayth th stigmh aytos poy parakoloyqoyse to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy den htan tromokraths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eipa kati tetoio.

BLAXOS: Etsi eipate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa kati poly sygkekrimeno kai den qa to epanalabw gia trith fora. Parakalw diabaste ti apanthsa molis prohgoymenws.

BLAXOS: To jerw oti apanthsate.

PALAIOLOGOS: To gegonos oti koryfaioi paragontes kai twn dyo kommatwn, stelexh twn dyo kommatwn, fwtografizoyn tis eyqynes ths dioikhshs ths Vodafone, anaforika me to skandalo twn ypoklopwn. Den shmainei gia thn kybernhsh kati; Ennow gia paradeigma kai epanerxomai stis dhlwseis toy k. Ebert, toy k. Kaklamanh, toy k. Kefalogiannh, oti kapoy h Vodafone exei eyqynes kai oti sthn oysia qa eprepe na exoyn askhqei diwjeis, kata ths dioikhshs, kata proswpwn ths dioikhshs. Den qa eprepe na eixe energhsei toylaxiston pros ta ekei eite h Astynomia eite h Dikaiosynh sthn prokatarktikh ereyna ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me diaforetiko tropo exei teqei to erwthma sas kai to exw apanthsei.

LEONTITSH: O Proedros ths Epitrophs Diafaneias k. Karamarios, dhlwse shmera, oti prin apo toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, epikoinwnhse me ton Proedro ths Anejarthths Arxhs Diasfalishs toy Aporrhtoy twn Thlepikoinwniwn kai ton rwthse tote htan epikairo to qema gia tis kameres poy eixan topoqethqei sthn Aqhna kai ton rwthse kat` arxas, an mporoysan aytes oi kameres na katagrafoyn kai hxo kai an yparxei dynatothta, mesa ap` aytes tis kameres, na ginontai kai thlefwnikes ypoklopes. O Proedros ths Anejarthths Epitrophs, apanthse pws den gnwrizoyn, den exoyn ayth th dynatothta, den exoyn kan thn ikanothta na apanthsoyn gia kati tetoio. Kai edw qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs. Dioti oi Anejarthtes Arxes kai malista kai ayth poy einai twra sto proskhnio, einai qesfata ths Dhmokratias, ti dynatothta exoyn; Poia dynatothta exoyn na antapejelqoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An milame gia thn ADAE, exei milhsei kai o Proedros ths apo thn prwth kiolas hmera, gia tis texnikes dynatothtes poy eixan sto parelqon gia th bohqeia poy yparxei apo thn Politeia, oytws wste kai texnikh dynatothta na exoyn. Akoma kai grafeia kala kala den eixan kapoia epoxh, opws gnwrizete. Apeyqynete to erwthma sas stis Anejarthtes Arxes.

LEONTITSH: Den einai ojymwro na prosfeygoyn oi qesmoi sthn Anejarthth Arxh gia na zhtoyn thn apoch ths; Akomh kai oi polites -opws mas eipate proxqes- qa prepei na katafygoyn se mia tetoia Anejarthth Arxh, gia na diekdikhsoyn ta dikaiwmata toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw poy anakalycate to ojymwro. Sas lew, apeyqynqeite sthn Anejarthth Arxh, ean exei kapoia problhmata, ta opoia exei qesei sthn Politeia kai den exoyn lyqei.

LEONTITSH: Egw qetw to qema ths ``gymnias'' ths Arxhs ayths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To katalaba. Sas eipa, oti kai o idios o Proedros ths Arxhs eipe kati kai xqes o k. Papalhgoyras, kati anefere sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs.

PAPAGIANNHS: Xqes to brady, sthn istoselida toy APE, dhmosieyqhke ena thlegrafhma apo thn Oyasigkton twn HPA, symfwna me to opoio, o Ekproswpos Typoy, sthn enhmerwsh poy ekane stoys dhmosiografoys, eipe oti yphrjan synennohseis metajy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai ths Presbeias twn HPA. Ayto apo mono toy den leei tipote. Qelw na rwthsw, an h kybernhsh eixe dwsei th lista me ta onomata prin th dhmosiopoihsh stoys dhmosiografoys ston Amerikano Presbh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H dhmosiopoihsh olwn twn stoixeiwn, egine thn hmera poy hsaste parontes oi dhmosiografoi sth diplanh aiqoysa.

PALAIOLOGOS: H erwthsh moy qa einai eyqeia. H kybernhsh kalyptei tis energeies toy k. Boylgarakh, opws aytes apotypwnontai stis ekaterwqen dhlwseis toy kai stis kataqeseis toy xqes sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati ypotimate pali to synadelfo sas poy rwthse nwritera gia to idio qema;

Sas eyxaristw.

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