Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-01-18

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Aqhna, 18 Ianoyarioy 2006

APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei shmera stis 17:30, gia thn Kina, opoy pragmatopoiei epishmh episkech ews to Sabbato 21 Ianoyarioy.

Ta kyria shmeia toy programmatos toy exoyn ws ejhs:

Thn Pempth, 19 Ianoyarioy, stis 09:30 afijh sto Pekino. Stis 14:30 o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Proedro ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn Pekinoy. Stis 17:30 qa exei epishmes synomilies me ton Kinezo Prwqypoyrgo. Stis 18:20 oi dyo Prwqypoyrgoi qa ypogracoyn symfwnia-plaisio poy kalyptei polloys tomeis gia tis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Stis 18:30 o Kinezos Prwqypoyrgos paraqetei deipno pros timhn toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths k. Karamanlh.

Thn Paraskeyh 20 Ianoyarioy, stis 10:15 problepetai episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Siniko Teixos. Stis 12:30 o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Proedro toy COSCO (China Ocean Shipping Company), stis 13:00 qa exei oligolepth synanthsh me toys Proedroys twn shmantikwn limenwn ths Kinas, me toys opoioys sth synexeia qa exei synomilies o yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Eyripidhs Stylianidhs. Sas qymizw oti arketoi epixeirhmaties synodeyoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo se ayto to tajidi. Stis 13:20 o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei thn Apagoreymenh Polh. Stis 15:15 o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Proedro ths Kinas, stis 16:10 me ton Proedro toy Laikoy Politikoy Symboyleytikoy Synedrioy kai stis 17:00 me ton Proedro toy Eqnikoy Laikoy Kogkresoy. Stis 18:30 exei programmatistei anaxwrhsh gia th Sagkah.

To Sabbato stis 10:00, sth Sagkah, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apeyqynei omilia se epixeirhmatiko synedrio. Stis 11:30 qa synanthqei me ton Dhmarxo ths polhs kai sth synexeia qa parateqei progeyma. Stis 14:40 o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei to Planning Exhibition Hall kai stis 15:40 to Oriental Pearl TV Tower. To Sabbato, stis 17:00, o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei gia thn Aqhna me problepomenh wra epistrofhs, to brady ths idias hmeras.

Thn erxomenh Deytera 23 Ianoyarioy, stis 12:00 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa metexei sth synedriash toy politikoy symboylioy ths Neas Dhmokratias.

Thn Kyriakh 29 Ianoyarioy, qa synelqei h Kentrikh Epitroph.

Kai stis dyo periptwseis to qema einai h anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos afenos kai afeteroy syzhthsh strathgikhs gia tis ekloges ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na moy peite thn epishmh qesh ths kybernhshs an meta thn chfish twn diatajewn ths anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos, opws tis eipe o Prwqypoyrgos xqes, qa proslambanontai sto dhmosio tomea mono ypallhloi aoristoy xronoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den yparxei kati tetoio. Den eipe kaneis oti qa proslambanontai mono ypallhloi aoristoy xronoy. Me thn protash ths Neas Dhmokratias sthn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos ryqmizetai h lysh problhmatwn poy epi seira etwn yparxoyn sto ellhniko dhmosio, to opoio proslambanei ergazomenoys me sxesh ergasias aoristoy xronoy idiwtikoy dikaioy, oi opoioi omws den exoyn th dynatothta ths baqmologikhs ejelijhs. Polles fores den yparxoyn kai organikes qeseis. Lyetai ena shmantiko problhma. Problepetai apo dw kai pera oti -peran aytwn poy proeblepe twra, sto arqro poy qa diabasete, to prohgoymeno Syntagma dhladh, orismenwn mono qesewn, opws p.x. episthmonikoy proswpikoy h synergatwn sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy h ypoyrgwn- mporei to ellhniko dhmosio na proslambanei me tetoies sxeseis aoristoy xronoy kai gia para polles alles qeseis, gia opoiadhpote allh qesh. Ayth einai h diafora se sxesh me to isxyon Syntagma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, katargeitai oysiastika h monimothta pleon stoys neoproslambanomenoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Prwton den katargeitai h monimothta. Kai deyteron, sas lew oti mporei na ginontai proslhceis kai me ayto ton tropo. Hdh ginontai gia orismenoys mono tomeis. Kai sas anefera orismenoys tomeis: Eidiko episthmoniko proswpiko, synergates Ypoyrgwn h synergates Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai elaxistoi h ligoi ekeinoi oi opoioi shmera proslambanontai me aytes tis sxeseis. Ayjanetai o ariqmos kai ryqmizetai kai h baqmologikh toys ejelijh.

BLAXOS: Eipate th lejh ``mporei''. Ayto shmainei omws oti afhnei ena orqanoixto paraqyro na xrhsimopoihqei kai gi` ayto poy leme, dhladh gia oysiastika katarghsh monimothtas kai ara dhmioyrgia dyo kathgoriwn ypallhlwn poy endexomenws kapoia stigmh, oi symbasioyxoi aoristoy xronoy na katalhjoyn na einai perissoteroi apo toys monimoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Yparxoyn shmera sto ellhniko Dhmosio ergazomenoi -opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws kai diorqwsa to ``elaxistoi''- me sxesh aoristoy xronoy. Oi ergazomenoi aytoi, opws gia paradeigma oi ews twra symbasioyxoi, pollwn apo toys opoioys oi symbaseis metatraphkan se aoristoy xronoy, den eixan organikes qeseis. Eprepe na breqei h lysh twn organikwn qesewn ek twn ysterwn. Den empainan sthn idia baqmologikh ejelijh me toys ypoloipoys ergazomenoys. Ola ayta ryqmizontai me thn allagh thn opoia proteinei h Nea Dhmokratia sto ypo anaqewrhsh Syntagma.

BLAXOS: Ayto to katalabame. Apo dw kai pera omws, mporei ayto to pragma na xrhsimopoihqei san ``paraqyro'' gia na katarghqei h monimothta kai kapoia ejoysia, opws kai an legetai ayth h ejoysia, na xrhsimopoihsei ayth th diatajh gia na bazei olo kai perissoteroys symbasioyxoys aoristoy xronoy se baros twn monimwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai se baros twn monimwn, ean kapoies sxeseis ryqmizontai etsi opws eipame. Poia einai h diafora; H diafora egkeitai, opws gnwrizete, se orismena mono zhthmata. Eipa merika, yparxoyn kai merika alla. Me th dikh sas skech, qa eprepe sto ellhniko Dhmosio apo twra kai gia ta epomena 40 xronia, opoies kybernhseis akoloyqhsoyn, na mhn kanoyn proslhceis, opws ginetai shmera. Den nomizw oti prokeitai na isxysei kati tetoio. Qa yparxoyn pantote sth logikh poy anefera prohgoymenws, oi monimoi ypallhloi toy dhmosioy kai bebaiws, qa katoxyrwqoyn akomh perissotero aytoi poy einai me sxesh aoristoy xronoy.

BLAXOS: Den sxoliasate ayto poy eipa oti mporei na xrhsimopoihqei ws ``paraqyro'' me thn katarghsh ths monimothtas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to sxoliasa epithdes, dioti den qewrw oti einai ``paraqyro'', kati to opoio problepetai oytws h allws sto Syntagma. Qelw na pw, dhladh, oti efoson perasei h Syntagmatikh metarryqmish, den qa einai kanena ``paraqyro'' ayto. Den katargei kaneis th monimothta.

KAKALHS: Giati h kybernhsh, loipon, epidiwkei na stelexwsei tis organikes qeseis toy dhmosioy me ypallhloys aoristoy xronoy kai oxi me monimoys, dhladh me ypallhloys meiwmenwn dikaiwmatwn, opws einai oi ypallhloi aoristoy xronoy se sxesh me toys monimoys ypallhloys; Kai poios apokleiei oti argotera den qa balei se aytes tis organikes qeseis kai symbasioyxoys orismenoy xronoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa kai prohgoymenws -kai den jerw an prepei na to epanalabw gia deyterh h trith fora- oti exoyme hdh tetoioys ypallhloys, oi opoioi omws den exoyn ta idia dikaiwmata me toys monimoys ypallhloys. H prospaqeia poy ginetai sth Syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh einai akribws h ejomoiwsh aytwn twn ypallhlwn me toys monimoys ypallhloys, se o,ti afora ta dikaiwmata toys. Giati kapoios, dhladh, den mporei na exei thn idia baqmologikh ejelijh h th misqologikh ejelijh poy exei o monimos ypallhlos, efoson einai ypallhlos me symbash aoristoy xronoy.

BLAXOS: Ara, prepei na kanete toys aoristoy xronoy, monimoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eseis blepete apo mia optikh gwnia. Egw sas lew kai thn allh optikh gwnia.

FOYRLHS: Mia dieykrinish kai mia erwthsh. H dieykrinish einai: Exei ginei kapoia skech gia to asfalistiko, ti shmainei mia tetoia ryqmish, dhladh ta Tameia, gia na to qesw pio apla, qa einai diaforetika h qa milame gia to idio Tameio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw me ta Tameia, poio Tameio einai to A h to B, alla ta idia dikaiwmata se o,ti afora ta asfalistika zhthmata exoyn oloi oi ergazomenoi kai qa exoyn oloi oi ergazomenoi.

FOYRLHS: Kanw thn erwthsh ayth gia th biwsimothta twn Tameiwn, gi` ayto exei shmasia kai mono ayth h erwthsh. To deytero einai: Yparxei enas strathgikos stoxos ths kybernhshs, enas politikos stoxos, pisw apo aytes tis allages, dhladh o stoxos einai na meiwqoyn, gia paradeigma, synolika oi dhmosioi ypallhloi, na meiwqoyn kai ta ejoda toy kratoys, na syrriknwqei to kratos me kapoio tropo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O strathgikos stoxos exei eipwqei para polles fores kai kata th diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy kai sth synexeia. Exoyme milhsei kat` epanalhch gia thn epanidrysh toy kratoys. Mia seira energeiwn stoxeyoyn sthn epanidrysh toy kratoys me ena pio monterno tropo, me ena tropo o opoios qa einai leitoyrgikos kai qa kanei tis ellhnikes dhmosies yphresies pio leitoyrgikes kai pio antagwnistikes.

GARGALAKOS: Xqes o k. Benizelos askhse kritikh bhma pros bhma, qa elega, stis ejaggelies toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Mhpws qa qelate na diatypwsete kapoio sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Exei apanthsei hdh se kapoia apo ta shmeia ayta, ap` o,ti gnwrizw, o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn. Den gnwrizw ean oi qeseis toy k. Benizeloy apoteloyn kai epishmh qesh toy PASOK, gia na yparxei sxolio apo thn pleyra toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

BLAXOS: O k. Mhtsotakhs episkefqhke shmera ton k. Karamanlh kai eipe oti einai sth diaqesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia na bohqhsei sto qema ths anaqewrhshs. Qa yparjei kapoia epitroph sthn opoia qa metexei o k. Mhtsotakhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kapoia tetoia skech. Se kaqe periptwsh, h kybernhsh, o Prwqypoyrgos qa anakoinwsei pws qa leitoyrghsei h omada anaqewrhshs, poios qa einai epikefalhs, poios qa einai eishghths k.o.k. Den eimai se qesh shmera na to anakoinwsw.

BLAXOS: Poios qa eishghqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti den eimai se qesh shmera na to anakoinwsw.

BLAXOS: Se ayth epitroph qa exei rolo kai o k. Mhtsotakhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti den exei oristei, se kamia periptwsh, poios qa einai eishghths. Den gnwrizw kan ean qa yparxei jexwristh epitroph. Qelw na pw, dhladh, oti exoyme sygkekrimenoys tropoys me toys opoioys kinoyntai tetoies diadikasies, opoy tiqetai enas epikefalhs. Sth synexeia, orizetai apo th Boylh mia eidikh epitroph gia thn anaqewrhsh, sthn opoia metexoyn boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn. Omws, shmera den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

KYRITSHS: Metajy twn ejaggeliwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy htan kai ayth poy problepei thn afairesh apo ta dikasthria ths armodiothtas na ekdikazoyn kapoies oikonomikes diafores twn politwn me to kratos. Fantazomai oti ean isxye kati tetoio to LAFKA den qa to epairnan oi syntajioyxoi, ean kanw laqos diorqwste me. H erwthsh moy einai, ean enas poliths poy exei mia tetoioy eidoys diafora me to kratos, poy qa apeyqynqei na brei to dikio toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den afaireitai kanena dikaiwma gia na prosfygei kapoios sth dikaiosynh. Ayto poy teqhke xqes -kai malista me parrhsia to eipe h N.D. dia stomatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy- htan oti sthn prohgoymenh anaqewrhsh ayth htan protash toy PASOK, thn opoia tote den eixe dexqei h N.D. Krinoyme oti h protash einai swsth kai gi ayto thn epanadiatypwnoyme, pleon, ws kybernhsh. Qewroyme oti apo edw kai pera qa prepei na yparjei mia jekaqarh qesh gia lysh tetoiwn problhmatwn, poy den qa strefontai bebaiws oyte eis baros twn opoiwn Ellhnwn politwn zhtoyn efoson dikaioyntai na laboyn kati. Alla, apo thn allh pleyra den qa anastatwnoyn diarkws kai den qa allazoyn diarkws toy ethsioys proypologismoys toy kratoys. Den qa yparxei, dhladh, mia diarkhs allagh twn proypologismwn epeidh yphrje apofash dikasthrioy.

KYRITSHS: Katalabainw th logikh oti@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporei na paei kapoios se baqos xronoy kai den jerw se poio baqos xronoy k.o.k.

KYRITSHS: Poios qa to krinei telika; Ean exw egw mia tetoioy eidoys ypoqesh se poion qa katafygw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, h Boylh twn Ellhnwn qa apofasisei ean qa kanei dekth ayth th skech, gia na entaxqei sto Syntagma. Efoson ginei dekth ayth h skech gia na entaxqei sto Syntagma, bebaiws qa yparxoyn kai ektelestikoi nomoi.

KYRITSHS: Metajy twn ejaggeliwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai kai ayth poy afora thn idrysh idiwtikwn mh kerdoskopikwn panepisthmiwn. Leei, loipon, o Prwqypoyrgos oti h xwra mas prepei na katastei kentro paideias kai politismoy na eisagei, anti na ejagei foithtes. Oi prytaneis twn kratikwn Panepisthmiwn, apo toys opoioys ypoqetw oti krinetai kai to epipedo ths tritobaqmias ekpaideyshs sth xwra, einai kaqe hmera sta radiofwna kai lene oti ta idrymata den exoyn fragko, kindyneyoyn na kleisoyn, zhtoyn na doyn ton Prwqypoyrgo k.lp. Pws h Ellada qa eisagei foithtes, otan ta Panepisthmia einai etoima na kleisoyn apo elleich xrhmatwn. Ta idiwtika Panepisthmia qa eisagoyn foithtes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mallon isopedwtikh ayth h apoch.

KYRITSHS: Etsi lene oi prytaneis, oxi egw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to lete eseis, espeysa na to pw. Qa sas dwsw ena prosfato paradeigma, poy moy egine oikeio, logw ths qeshs twn Grammateiwn Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs: Gnwrizete oti yphrxe aithma apo to diplano Panepisthmio gia ena kthrio. Plhroforhqhka sthn poreia kai katopin erwthshs poy egine apo boyleyth toy KKE sth Boylh kai apanthqhke apo ton armodio yfypoyrgo k. Taliadoyro, oti ston proypologismo toy 2005 yphrxan hdh xrhmata gia thn agora kthrioy apo to Panteio Panepisthmio. Ean den me apata h mnhmh moy, to poso anerxotan sta 14 h 14.5 ekatommyria eyrw. Oydepote egine xrhsh aytoy toy kondylioy apo to Panepisthmio. Sas dinw, loipon, ena praktiko paradeigma poy gnwrizw, opoy xrhmata eixan diateqei ston proypologismo yper ths agoras kthrioy apo ena Panepisthmio kai to Panepisthmio afhse na parelqei olo to etos xwris na ajiopoihsei ayto to kondyli. Den gnwrizw to synolo twn problhmatwn olwn twn Panepisthmiwn, alla se kaqe periptwsh den mporw na dexqw thn isopedwtikh logikh poy leei oti den exoyn kaqoloy xrhmata ta Panepisthmia h h Politeia den dinei xrhmata sta Panepisthmia.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh qa dwsei sth dhmosiothta to keimeno ths dikastikhs syndromhs kai synergasias poy ypografetai shmera, anamesa stis HPA kai th xwra mas, wste na doyme gia poia adikhmata akoma kai ypoptoi qa ekdidontai stis HPA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ekdoqei, hdh, apo xqes analytiko deltio Typoy apo to ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, to opoio qa exete diabasei. To ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs qa dwsei sth dhmosiothta ayta poy problepontai apo toys nomoys. Den gnwrizw perissoteres leptomereies.

KOTTARIDHS: Meta thn klhsh ths k. Balhnakh na kataqesei ws martyras sthn ypoqesh gia to paradikastiko ston eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy, h kybernhsh synexizei na exei thn idia qesh sto qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei allajei tipota apo osa exw pei mexri twra.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, koitaja tis apanthseis poy dwsate th Deytera gyrw apo to qema twn pthsewn poy emeis oi dhmosiografoi apokaloyme pthseis ths Air CIA kai hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Eipate oti den yparxei ypoxrewsh elegxoy apo thn Yphresia Politikhs Aeroporias twn dierxomenwn aeroskafwn apo thn Ellada. Antilambanomai oti den yparxei ypoxrewsh elegxoy. Fantazomai, omws, oti h Eqnikh Yphresia Plhroforiwn kai oi alles yphresies endiaferontai an yparxoyn tetoies pthseis, oi opoies endexomenws dhmioyrgoyn problhmata asfaleias sth xwra, dioti mporei na thn ekqesoyn se antipoina. Alla den yparxoyn mono pthseis transit. Gia paradeigma -eixe dhmosieytei ston Typo, fantazomai oti to exete diabasei- ena aeroplano typoy Lear Jet, me stoixeia SPAM 92, efyge apo to Ramstain ths Germanias, phge sta Xania stis 14/5/2005 kai janagyrise sto Ramstain ayqhmeron. To aeroplano eixe entopistei apo tis italikes arxes ws xrhsimopoihqen gia thn apagwgh toy Ampoy Omar, mia ypoqesh poy opws gnwrizete o eisaggeleas toy Milanoy exei ekdwsei 20 peripoy entalmata syllhchs. Mporeite na moy peite, ean gnwrizei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, oi epibates toy aeroplanoy poy briskontai ayth th stigmh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambaneste oti den mporei h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai kamia kybernhsh na gnwrizei poy briskontai h poioi einai oi epibates toy opoioydhpote aeroskafoys. Yparxoyn dieqneis kanonismoi ths IATA, stoys opoioys perigrafontai safws kai oi ypoxrewseis poy exei kaqe xwra otan perna ena aeroskafos transit, eite prosgeiwnetai se ayth gia na apobibastoyn oi epibates, eite epibibazontai se aeroskafos. Aytoi oi kanonismoi thrhqhkan aparegklita. Den exw na pw kati perissotero gia to qema.

BLAXOS: Ara, jeroyme poioi htan mesa, poioi mphkan kai poioi hrqan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti yparxoyn toylaxiston treis periptwseis. Den eimai eidikos gnwsths. Sth mia periptwsh, epibibazontai kapoioi apo enan topo -as ypoqesoyme to aerodromio ths Aqhnas- sth deyterh apobibazontai ka sthn trith pernoyn transit. Se kaqe periptwsh, isxyoyn kanonismoi. Oi kanonismoi ths IATA thrhqhkan aparegklita.

KYRITSHS: H ypoyrgos Paideias diatypwse xqes thn apoch oti prepei na problefqei sto Syntagma mia hmera mnhmhs gia ta qymata ths tromokratias. Qelw na rwthsw pws th blepei ayth thn protash h kybernhsh, kaqws kata th gnwmh moy einai mia protash poy bazei sto idio tsoybali ton Paylo Mpakogiannh, agwnisth ths Dhmokratias, basanistes, praktores yphresiwn k.t.l. Pws to antimetwpizei ayto h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, qa hqela na kanw ena sxolio: Nomizw oti k. Giannakoy den qa ekane pote mia protash poy ``qa ebaze sto idio tsoybali'' proswpa, opws ayta poy anaferate, qewrwntas oti den einai sth logikh, oyte ths k. Giannakoy, oyte kanenos stelexoys ths Neas Dhmokratias ``na bazei sto idio tsoybali'' proswpa san ayta poy anaferate. Dhladh antifatika sthn poreia ths zwhs toys, alla me poly qetikh prosfora sth Dhmokratia kai toys agwnes ths kai alla me thn prosfora poy exei krinei h istoria ws to ligotero mh qetikh, gia na mhn pw kapoio barytero xarakthrismo. Ayto, omws, afora to sygkekrimeno erwthma poy kanate, gia na jekaqarisw th qesh ths kybernhshs.

Se o,ti afora synolika to Syntagma -sas eyxaristw poy moy dinete thn eykairia na to pw, giati den thn eixa xqes, afoy den synanthqhkame- h kybernhsh protiqetai na akoysei oloys toys boyleytes. H Nea Dhmokratia qa akoysei oloys toys boyleytes. H syzhthsh qa einai apolytws eleyqerh. Kaqenas qa mporei na ypoballei protaseis. Ena prwto tetoio deigma to eixate xqes sth diarkeia ths synedriashs ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias. Dioti h megalh qesmikh allagh poy akoyei sto onoma ``anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos'' ofeilei na mas kanei oloys symmetoxoys, gia na mporei na ekfrasei kaqe boyleyths xwrista -kai malista me apolyth eleyqeria apocewn, opws problepetai apo to Syntagma kai ton kanonismo ths Boylhs- tis dikes toy apoceis. Sth diarkeia ayths ths periodoy, den einai dokimo o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos na sxoliazei thn opoiadhpote apoch toy opoioydhpote boyleyth. Einai diadikasies poy problepontai entos toy koinoboyleytikoy dialogoy kai den qa hqela na sxoliasw kamia protash apo opoion boyleyth ki an akoystei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei katalhjei oti aytoi oi pente poy ekanan tis lhsteies htan mia symmoria lhstwn h mia symmoria tromokratwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kati perissotero apo to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs. O armodios ypoyrgos qa probei se anakoinwseis otan exei plhrh stoixeia.

GARGALAKOS: Akoygetai oti o k. Meimarakhs qa kanei mia protash na epektaqei h syntagmatikh qhteia twn eklegmenwn kybernhsewn. Pws th blepete ayth thn protash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Molis prin apo ligo ekana oloklhrh analysh oti den qa sxoliasw kamia protash apo opoy ki an akoystei. Twra, moy lete oti ``akoygetai'', ``an ginei'' k.lp. Epanalambanw oti den protiqemai na kanw sxolio.

GARGALAKOS: Den yparxei sth skech ths kybernhshs ayto; Qa thn boleye kapws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ti protaseis qa kanei kaqe boyleyths, stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias, se opoia qesh ki an brisketai, alla kai den protiqemai na kanw sxolio.

KYRITSHS: Epeidh eipate twra oti den protiqeste na kanete tetoioy eidoys sxolia, s` ayto to diasthma@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi apajiwnontas ton dialogo. Akribws epeidh sebomai to dialogo, den qelw na kanw sxolia. Ean kriqei kapoia stigmh, oti prepei na yparxei ejairesh apo ton kanona ayton poy sas lew shmera, mporei na symbei. Alla kalo qa einai na mhn probainw se sxolio ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, gia opoies protaseis katatiqentai.

KYRITSHS: Eiste se qesh na mas perigracete peripoy th diadikasia kai kapoio xronodiagramma gia na mporoyme kai emeis na parakoloyqhsoyme to dialogo; An qa katateqoyn, pote qa syzhthqoyn@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Symplhrwnw sthn prohgoymenh apanthsh moy, epanalambanontas: Katateqoyn apo stelexh kai boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias. Dioti mporei na xreiastei ayrio, meqayrio h thn epomenh ebdomada na krinw h na kritikarw protaseis apo alla kommata. Omilw gia toys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias.

KYRITSHS: Eiste se qesh na mas peite eite th diadikasia eite to xronodiagramma toy dialogoy estw mesa sto plaisio ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias gia to Syntagma; Qa einai kati anoikto, qa ginoyn kapoies hmerides, pws qa ta parakoloyqoyme ayta, poios leei ti klp;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai mono oti sas eipa pws qa yparjei mia synedriash toy Politikoy Symboylioy kai mia synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs gi` ayta ta qemata, antilambaneste oti h Nea Dhmokratia jekinaei syzhtwntas sto eswkommatiko pedio ta zhthmata ths Syntagmatikhs Anaqewrhshs. Apo kei kai pera, ean qa dhmioyrghqoyn kapoies omades h oxi, den eimai se qesh na sas pw twra kati tetoio. Otan to exw omws, qa sas to pw. Xronika pantws, gnwrizete poly kala oti, orizetai apo to Syntagma mas pote mporei na jekinhsei koinoboyleytika ayth h diadikasia: Meta ton Aprilio toy 2006.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei toys teleytaioys mhnes mia plhmmyrida apokalycewn gyrw apo tis drasthriothtes twn amerikanikwn mystikwn yphresiwn. Yparxei mia megalh syzhthsh kai gia thn Amerikh. O pagkosmios Typos asxoleitai, to Symboylio ths Eyrwphs kanei ereyna kai exei teqei kai ena qema kai sto eswteriko twn HPA. Nomizete oti einai h katallhlh stigmh gia thn ypografh; Giati epelegh ayth h stigmh gia thn ypografh ths symfwnias me tis HPA gia th dikastikh syndromh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn pragmata ta opoia ginontai anejarthta ths xronikhs stigmhs h ths epikairothtas se polles xwres kai metajy aytwn kai sth dikh mas. Antilambaneste oti den syndyazetai h mia kinhsh me thn allh. Qa mporoyse na teqei to erwthma sas, dhmosiografika, kai meta apo enan mhna, dyo mhnes h prin apo dyo mhnes me aformh kapoio allo zhthma, opws gnwrizete poly kala kai opws tyxainei na gnwrizw kai egw epishs kala.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: H amerikanikh kybernhsh exei syzhthsei me thn toyrkikh, opws ola deixnoyn, dia toy arxhgoy ths CIA kai allwn Amerikanwn ajiwmatoyxwn poy phgan sthn Agkyra, ta sxedia mias endexomenhs epiqeshs sth M. Anatolh, me stoxo to Iran h th Syria. Exoyn ginei diaboyleyseis me thn ellhnikh kybernhsh kai einai proqymh h Aqhna, einai diateqeimenh na epitrecei th xrhsimopoihsh ths amerikanikhs bashs ths Soydas gia epiqeseis sto Iran@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete kanei polles yperbaseis. Exete ftasei hdh, exete ``apofasisei'' gia dieqneis draseis, xwris kan@

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: Oxi, diabazw tis efhmerides, poy pisteyw oti diabazete kai eseis to prwi, kaqe hmera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tis diabazw.

FOYRLHS: Den jerw an perilambanetai ayto sta qemata, alla epeidh to anaferate, oti ektos apo to Syntagma, kai ta qemata ths strathgikhs gia tis ekloges sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh qa einai antikeimeno ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai toy Politikoy Symboylioy.

FOYRLHS: Mhpws fqanei h wra h ektima o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh oti fqanei h wra na syzhthsei kai qemata ekproswpwn gia toys megaloys dhmoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas milhsa gia strathgikh.

BLAXOS: Tis teleytaies hmeres -nomizw oti xqes htan h teleytaia fora- o k. Meimarakhs phgainei se diafores ``pites'' kai metajy allwn epitiqetai sta MME. O stoxos toy, pisteyete, einai ta MME, h ajiopistia toys h eseis, me th logikh oti den mporeite na dhmioyrghsete ena filiko pros thn kybernhsh ``mintiako'' periballon;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ektimw oti ola ta stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias sebontai to rolo twn MME kai fysika to rolo twn leitoyrgwn twn MME, twn dhmosiografwn.

BLAXOS: Ara ofeilei na to sebetai kai o k. Meimarakhs, ayto mas lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw ektimw oti hdh to kanei.

KYRITSHS: Yparxei kapoia pio proxwrhmenh skech -profanws qa einai proxwrhmenh an to proteinei o Prwqypoyrgos- sxetika me to syntagmatiko dikasthrio; Dhladh, den exei shmasia mono h armodiothta, exei shmasia na exoyme mia idea kai apo poy qa prokyptei ayto; Qa eklegetai apo th Boylh me kapoies ayjhmenes pleiochfies@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pisteyw oti to erwthma sas einai poly endiaferon. Epitrecte moy na mhn pw tipote perissotero, giati einai nwris akoma gia na pw to otidhpote. Kentrika apo thn kybernhsh, eite apo to diko moy stoma, eite apo opoion analabei thn eyqynh ths eishghsews ths Anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos, qa yparjei megalyterh analysh twn protasewn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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