Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-12-12

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Aqhna, 12 Dekembrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Synedriazei ayrio, stis 11:00, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qema to wrario twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn. Oi anakoinwseis einai gnwstes kai exoyn ginei prin apo kairo. Ayrio qa anakoinwqoyn oi apofaseis ths kybernhshs. Amesws meta qa synedriasei to KYSEA, me qema thn egkrish katakyrwshs promhqeias 30 aeroskafwn F-16.

Qa hqela na anaferqw se mia kybernhtikh drash poy jekinhse apo xqes, paroysia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, h opoia qewroyme oti exei poly megalh shmasia gia ton topo kai eidika gia toys neoys. Th gnwrizete hdh. O Prwqypoyrgos, oysiastika, egkainiase xqes to programma ths dwrean paroxhs hlektronikwn ypologistwn se 8.000 aristoyxoys maqhtes toy gymnasioy. Den prokeitai gia mia memonwmenh drash, alla meros enos synolikoteroy sygkrothmenoy sxedioy chfiakhs strathgikhs poy exei ws stoxo na kalycei h xwra mas to chfiako xasma poy th xwrizei apo thn ypoloiph Eyrwpaikh Enwsh sthn ejaplwsh ths xrhshs twn newn texnologiwn. Draseis poy ejelissontai pros thn idia kateyqynsh einai epishs: H dwrean paroxh 3.000 ypologistwn se maqhtes eidikhs agwghs, h anabaqmish toy diktyoy 5.000 sxoleiwn se olh thn Ellada, h enisxysh twn ergasthriwn plhroforikhs sta sxoleia mas me hlektronikoys ypologistes, h epimorfwsh twn ekpaideytikwn mas stis nees texnologies. Parallhla, proxwroyme sthn anaptyjh eyryzwnikwn syndesewn, wste na epityxoyme megalyteres taxythtes epikoinwnias, alla kai na ejyphrethqoyn sxoleia poy briskontai se apomonwmenes perioxes ths xwras. Toylaxiston 1.000 sxoleia, dhmotika, gymnasia kai lykeia kai 100 AEI qa apokthsoyn doryforikh diasyndesh. Qymizw oti prosfata ta ypoyrgeia Metaforwn, Paideias kai Anaptyjhs paroysiasan to programma ``Diodos'', symfwna me to opoio perissoteroi apo 600.000 proptyxiakoi kai metaptyxiakoi foithtes qa exoyn prosbash sto diadiktyo, me kostos meiwmeno peripoy sto miso.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia to qema twn hmerwn: Katarxhn, na mas ejhghsete apo thn kybernhtikh pleyra, ti akribws dihmeifqh kai ti egine me thn paraithsh - apopomph toy proedroy toy Organismoy Ergatikhs Katoikias k. Oikonomopoyloy. Ean htan se gnwsh toy Megaroy Majimoy oi apokalyceis poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas thn Kyriakh se merida toy Typoy kai an htan se gnwsh toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei anaferqei hdh sto qema o armodios ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs k. P. Panagiwtopoylos, milwntas me polles leptomereies gia to zhthma. Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na jerw, an ontws eftase kataggelia apo sygkekrimeno epixeirhmatia sto Megaro Majimoy, me th morfh epistolhs h thlefwnhmatos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipa se kat` idian thlefwnikes syzhthseis poy eixa me polloys apo esas, to Sabbatokyriako, den yparxei kamia epistolh kataggelias.

TSIODRAS: Oyte kataggelia me allh morfh, thlefwno@;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ayta ta 30 F-16, se poion proypologismo qa mpoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa anakoinwqoyn leptomereies gia ta kosth kai gia to erwthma poy moy qetete, ayrio, amesws meta th synedriash toy KYSEA.

PAPAGIANNHS: Eipate oti den yparxei epistolh toy sygkekrimenoy epixeirhmatia, toy k. Emfietzogloy, ara diaceydete to reportaz to opoio dhmosieythke se efhmerida ths Kyriakhs. An einai etsi, egw qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Yparxoyn alles epistoles poy aforoyn alloys dioikhtes h proedroys organismwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den yparxei kati poy na gnwrizw.

BLAXOS: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite thn apoch ths kybernhshs, giati efyge o k. Oikonomopoylos apo th qesh toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ayta ta opoia exei pei o k. P. Panagiwtopoylos.

BLAXOS: Ara, kalyptete ton k. Pano Panagiwtopoylo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite ``kalyptw ton k. Panagiwtopoylo''; O k. Panagiwtopoylos einai ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs.

BLAXOS: Ennow, den exei eyqynh o k. Panagiwtopoylos gia ta osa exoyn symbei ston OEK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Panagiwtopoylos, opws sas enhmerwse, otan plhroforhqhke kapoia pragmata apo tis arxes ths ebdomadas, proxwrhse se orismenes kinhseis. Tis exei pei dhmosiws. Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero.

BLAXOS: Eiste ikanopoihmenoi, dhladh, me toys xeirismoys poy exei kanei sto qema ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh.

BLAXOS: An eiste ikanopoihmenoi@

ROYSOPOYLOS: O ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs kinhqhke orqws

KAKALHS: Ean den yparxei tipota sthn ypoqesh toy proedroy toy Organismoy Ergatikhs Katoikias, giati h kybernhsh stelnei thn ypoqesh ston Eisaggelea, diapompeyontas taytoxrona kai ena stelexos ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dioti h kybernhsh einai staqerh se ayto poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos: Otan yparxei opoiadhpote yponoia, endeijh kai poly perissotero apodeijh, h ypoqesh qa diereynhqei mexri teloys. Kai ayth h ypoqesh qa diereynhqei mexri teloys.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgeite oti enas stadiakws ayjanomenos ariqmos stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, den lambanei ypoch toy tis protropes toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia mhdenikh anoxh sth diafqora kai empleketai diarkws se tetoies ypoqeseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete hdh katalhjei se katadikastikh apofash gia mia seira ypoqesewn, oi opoies briskontai sth Dikaiosynh. Nomizw oti kati tetoio den tairiazei oyte sto hqos olwn mas se ayth thn aiqoysa, oyte bebaiws kai sto reportaz.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai o 30os peripoy kratikos leitoyrgos o opoios apomakrynetai mesa stoys 20 mhnes ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eida kai egw mia lista poy dhmosieythke kai janadhmosieythke aytes tis hmeres. Kai diabasa diafora onomata, opws gia paradeigma to onoma toy k. Nezh, o opoios htan topoqethmenos apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh ws dieyqynwn symboylos ths DEH. Den qymamai na eixe dhmioyrghqei kapoio qema eite sta Mesa Enhmerwshs, eite genikotera, gia to sygkekrimeno proswpo. Einai kai alla proswpa poy anaferontai sth lista. Aifnhs, twra, dhmioyrgeitai ena qema. Yparxoyn polla proswpa, ta opoia exoyn paraithqei gia kaqara proswpikoys logoys h giati apofasisan na allajoyn poreia sth zwh toys. Den mporei na mpainoyn ola se ena tsoybali yponoiwn, oi opoies yponoies den exoyn kamia sthrijh.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa apomakrynqoyn kai alloi, epeidh qa allajoyn poreia sth zwh toys sto eggys mellon;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi epiloges toy kaqenos einai eleyqeres.

SIDERHS: Pantws diekdikeite mia qesh sto biblio Gkines me toses apopompes stelexwn. Ti gnwmh exei o Prwqypoyrgos gia olh ayth thn katastash; Ejakoloyqei na pisteyei oti h kybernhsh diepetai apo sobarothta afenos kai afeteroy, o armodios ypoyrgos toy opoioy dyo dioikhtes organismwn atyxhsan, ejakoloyqei na exei thn empistosynh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas. Oson afora to prwto, qa hqela na sas pw oti qa eleipe h sobarothta apo thn opoiadhpote kybernhsh ean ekane pws den akoyge, den katalabaine, den skeptotan, den ecaxne. Ean, loipon, eixan synhqisei polloi se ayto ton topo epi polla xronia na akoygontai eite aoristes yponoies eite endeijeis eite kataggelies kai monimws na kanoyn oti den katalabainoyn, ayto den xarakthrizei thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Den th xarakthrise 20 mhnes, den qa th xarakthrisei kai sto ejhs.

BLAXOS: Apo poioys exoyn yparjei yponoies gia ton k. Oikonomopoylo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw ti ennoeite.

BLAXOS: Eipate sthn erwthsh prohgoymenws, giati den parapemcate ston Eisaggelea kai eipate oti den qa afhsoyme kamia yponoia@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasate th dhlwsh poy ekane shmera o k. Panagiwtopoylos, bgainontas apo ton Eisaggelea;

BLAXOS: Den jerw ton k. Panagiwtopoylo, esas rwtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parakalesw, loipon, na diabasete th dhlwsh, h opoia kalyptei apolytws to erwthma sas kai fysika kalyptei kai th dikh moy apanthsh.

BLAXOS: Gia tis yponoies apanta o k. Panagiwtopoylos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanta se ola ta qemata.

BLAXOS: Mporeite na mas th diabasete, gia na jeroyme, giati den thn jeroyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ginei dhmosiws edw kai dyo-dyomisi wres toylaxiston.

BLAXOS: Entajei, den thn jeroyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa zhthsw na moy th feroyn kai na sas th steilw.

XIWTHS: Shmera to prwi, eixame mia bombistikh epiqesh sto kentro ths Aqhnas. Qa hqela na jerw apo tis prwtes endeijeis, apo ta prwta symperasmata sas, an prokeitai gia tromokratikh energeia, an pisteyei h kybernhsh oti syndeetai me th dikh ths 17N kai an ayth h energeia se syndyasmo me alles poy eidame toys prohgoymenoys mhnes dhmioyrgei pleon thn ypocia oti exoyme epanergopoihsh kyklwn tromokratias sth xwra mas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw proxeires ektimhseis. H Astynomia exei hdh kanei kapoies anakoinwseis. H ereyna synexizetai kai qa synexistei. Den gnwrizw poso aplh mporei na einai ayth h ypoqesh. Se kaqe periptwsh, qa yparxoyn diarkeis anakoinwseis kai enhmerwsh ths koinhs gnwmhs gia to ti akribws exei symbei se kaqe stadio ayths ths diadikasias.

XIWTHS: H kybernhsh qewrei aplh ayth thn ypoqesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na mhn kanw kapoio sxolio, ean einai aplh h synqeth. Einai sigoyra mia endiaferoysa ypoqesh. Einai shmantikh ypoqesh mia ekrhjh sto kentro ths Aqhnas. Prepei, loipon, na broyme to logo, an dhladh einai kapoioy eidoys energeia san ayth poy ypainixqhkate prohgoymenws. Kai se kaqe periptwsh na enhmerwsoyme toys Ellhnes polites.

KYRITSHS: Olo to teleytaio diasthma, me diarroes ston Typo, diafores yphresies kai molis para poly prosfata thn perasmenh ebdomada apo thn pleyra twn HPA, exei kallierghqei ena klima tromokratias sthn Ellada. Xqes to brady, synebh ayth h ekrhjh. Ejetazei h kybernhsh to endexomeno na einai ena eidos probokatsias kai na emplekontai ellhnikes h jenes yphresies; Exei janaginei ayto sto parelqon.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy zhtate na kanw krish epi eikasiwn gia ena gegonos poy elabe xwra shmera, stis 6 to prwi. Den qa kanw kamia peraiterw krish. Sas parakalw na perimenoyme me sobarothta thn ereyna kai to apotelesma ths apo thn Astynomia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan efyge o Proedros ths DEH o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai o k. Sioyfas esteilan thn ypoqesh ston eisaggelea. Otan efyge o k. Oikonomopoylos, o k. Panagiwtopoylos esteile thn ypoqesh ston eisaggelea. Otan efyge o dieyqynwn symboylos ths ERGOSE meta apo parembash ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs gia kati poy eixe ypogracei kai htan paranomo, o k. Liaphs giati den esteile thn ypoqesh ston eisaggelea;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei, milwntas gia yponoies h endeijeis. Sthn men prwth periptwsh toy k. Palaiokrassa, opws qymaste, yphrjan kataggelies apo ton k. Palaiokrassa. Mporei na htan genikes kai aoristes en pollois se sxesh me to shmera, alla ofeile h kybernhsh na odhghsei to qema ekei. Sth de deyterh periptwsh, qewrw oti thn ejantlhsame shmera. Gia to trito qema poy me rwtate, den gnwrizw na yphrje kapoioy eidoys yponoia h kapoio problhma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxei apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Pws den yparxei. Yparxei apofash poy ypegrace gia kapoio ergo, sygkekrimena to Kallidromo. Einai skandalo kai parenebh h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai to stamathse. Ton ediwjan. Giati den paredwse thn ypoqesh ston eisaggelea;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa ypeiselqw oyte se eykoloys, oyte se grhgoroys xarakthrismoys. H kybernhsh, opws exei dhlwsei kata kairoys kai me poly emfash -to exei dhlwsei kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos- ereyna kaqe ypoqesh kai zhta thn peraiterw diereynhsh, efoson syntrexoyn logoi, apo th Dikaiosynh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Einai koino mystiko oti meta th Loykernh opoy eginan prospaqeies gia na epiblhqei to sxedio Anan me ta gnwsta dhmochfismata kai ta apotelesmata, qa qymaste oti h antipoliteysh, mexri kai prosfata, kathgoroyse th Nea Dhmokratia alla kai thn kybernhsh ths Kyproy oti apodexqhkan ena sxedio to opoio den apodexqhkan kai qa eprepe na to apodexqoyn, dioti htan ena sxedio to opoio qa epilye to Kypriako. Erxetai xqes o k. Molybiaths, milwntas sthn Kentrikh Epitroph ths Neas Dhmokratias kai leei oyte ligo, oyte poly, oti h poreia toy sxedioy Anan htan prosymfwnhmenh apo thn kybernhsh toy PASOK kai sthn oysia leei phgame sth Loykernh me demena ta xeria. Ayto einai mia dhlwsh bomba, h opoia exei dhmioyrghsei entash kai sthn Kypro, dhladh skeceis kai qa exoyme kai sth synexeia sxoliasmoys. Dierwtwmai, to PASOK qa prepei na anaskeyasei gia osa kathgoroyse shmera th Nea Dhmokratia; Giati ayto poy leei einai teleiws antiqeto me osa legontan mexri shmera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To PASOK exei ypopesei se mia seira apo anakoloyqies, oxi mono sto epimaxo qema toy Kypriakoy poy anaferate prohgoymenws, alla kai se polla alla zhthmata ths politikhs toy topoy. Ean prepei na anaskeyasei h oxi, afora to idio. Se kaqe periptwsh, oloi krinomaste.

BLAXOS: Prin apo ligo, phge ston anakrith o k. Mantoybalos. Xarakthrise aqliothtes ta osa exoyn ginei eis baros toy kai tonise oti qa gyrisei sth Nea Dhmokratia kabalarhs. Ean den yparjei qema me ton k. Mantoybalo, qa gyrisei sth Nea Dhmokratia, qa einai ypochfios stis epomenes ekloges;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me to ``ean'', opws gnwrizete, den apantw pote.

BLAXOS: O k. Polyzos, qa epistrecei meta ta osa apokalyptontai to teleytaio diasthma me ola ayta ta stelexh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo.

BLAXOS: O k. Polyzos diagrafhke giati kathggeile oti yparxoyn diefqarmenoi, mh entimoi anqrwpoi sto xwro ths Neas Dhmokratias kai se ola ta kommata. Fainetai ek twn pragmatwn oti dikaiwnetai. Qa epistrecei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exoyme kapoia apofash peri diafqoras. Exoyme kapoies yponoies, exoyme endeijeis. Se kaqe periptwsh, h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias den oligwrhse, opws ekane h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, alla odhghse to qema, prwton se ereyna kai deyteron sth Dikaiosynh.

BLAXOS: Me yponoies katadikazete kapoion@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai me apodeijeis. Oxi, eseis ton katadikazete. Egw den ton katadikasa.

BLAXOS: Eseis ton diwjate, den ton ediwja egw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Aytos akribws eipa: Den katadikasthke kapoios gia yponoies h gia endeijeis.

BLAXOS: Ma, ton diwjate. Ayto den einai qesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh poy ekane thn hmera poy eixe dhmioyrghqei to zhthma. Einai akribhs, analytikh kai sas dinei apanthsh akoma kai shmera gia to logo poy elhfqh ayth h apofash.

PAPAGIANNHS: Yparxei mia plhroforia, h opoia mporei na einai kai esfalmenh, eseis qa mas to peite ayto, oti sthn prosfath bradinh synanthsh poy eixate me ton k. Pano Panagiwtopoylo sto gnwsto restoran ``Mylos'' -na kanoyme kai thn aparaithth diafhmish, giati ajizei pragmati@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati kanete diafhmish;

PAPAGIANNHS: Emmesh, en pash periptwsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti apagoreyetai apo thn ESHEA. Proswpika, oso hmoyn dhmosiografos, throysa toys kanones ths ESHEA.

PAPAGIANNHS: Entajei. Toys thrw kai egw. Ennoeitai oti to eipa xioymoristika. Metaferate protash toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros ton k. Panagiwtopoylo, ston erxomeno anasxhmatismo na paei sth qesh toy Koinoboyleytikoy Ekproswpoy. Qelw, loipon, na sas rwthsw ean ayto alhqeyei h an den alhqeyei. H deyterh erwthsh afora thn protash poy kateqese o k. Alogoskoyfhs sth synenteyjh toy sthn KYRIAKATIKH ``ELEYQEROTYPIA'' gia to endexomeno h k. Aggelopoyloy na diekdikhsei to Dhmo ths Aqhnas. To ejetazete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora th deyterh erwthsh sas, qa sas pw oti den exei ginei kamia tetoia syzhthsh gia tetoia qemata poy aforoyn ypochfioys se dhmotikes h nomarxiakes ekloges. Oson afora thn prwth, to diaceydw kathgorhmatika. Oyte o rolos moy einai, oyte synebh kati tetoio. Einai toso akribhs h plhroforia, oso akribes oti fagame brady. Meshmeri htan to trapezi.

XIWTHS: H k. Ntora Mpakogiannh to Sabbato zhthse apo to Grammatea toy Kommatos kai apo thn hgesia ths Neas Dhmokratias na epispeysei th diadikasia anadeijhs ypochfiwn stis dhmotikes ekloges. Thn akoyse prwtos o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai proteine thn k. Gianna Aggelopoyloy. Qelw na moy peite, ayth h syzhthsh telikws gia esas einai akairh h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixa thn entypwsh oti ta kyriakatika fylla kleinoyn poly nwritera apo to Sabbato to meshmeri poy eipwqhke ayto sthn Kentrikh Epitroph. Kai mallon den einai aplws mia entypwsh moy@

XIWTHS: Adikeite thn efhmerida.

ROYSOPOYLOS: @ara, h erwthsh sas, kata to hmisy, prepei na diorqwqei: ``thn akoyse o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai ekane o,ti ekane''. Sas eipa oti den yparxei kamia tetoia syzhthsh gia qemata poy aforoyn ypochfiothtes se Dhmoys.

XIWTHS: Einai akairh ayth h syzhthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipote perissotero. Den yparxei tetoia syzhthsh.

TSIODRAS: Qa epanelqw sto qema toy k. Oikonomopoyloy. Eipate se kapoio shmeio oti o k. Panagiwtopoylos, otan plhroforhqhke kapoia pragmata stis arxes ths ebdomadas, proxwrhse se sygkekrimenes kinhseis. Omws, o k. Panagiwtopoylos sthn anakoinwsh poy ekane to Sabbato, eipe oti o k. Oikonomopoylos apopempetai epeidh den yparxei kalh synergasia mazi toy kai epeidh yphrje kapoio problhma me mia ekdhlwsh poy eixe programmatistei sta Giannena. Den anaferqhke kaqoloy se zhthmata h se yponoies diafqores, etsi opws bgainoyn twra. Mporeite na mas peite giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dyo diaforetika qemata. Einai allo to qema ths synergasias poy mporei na yparxei kai na einai kalh h ligotero kalh h problhmatikh kai allo to qema hqikhs tajhs poy egerqhke.

TSIODRAS: Nai, alla fantazomai oti o k. Panagiwtopoylos@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ofeilei, opws kaqe ypoyrgos -etsi ekane kai o k. Panagiwtopoylos- na ereynhsei. Giati kaqhmerinws kai sta dhmosiografika grafeia kai sta politika -na eiste bebaios gi` ayto- legontai kai diakinoyntai polla.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy. Egw den exw jekaqarisei akomh, h apomakrynsh kai h apopomph toy k. Oikonomopoyloy egine gia to qema ths kakhs epikoinwnias poy eixe o k. Panagiwtopoylos me ton idio, se diafora alla zhthmata h gia to zhthma ayto to sygkekrimeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se ayto me kalyptei apolyta h dhlwsh toy k. Panagiwtopoyloy.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na epishmanw ena paradojo. To prwi toy Sabbatoy o k. Oikonomopoylos htan sthn Kentrikh Epitroph kai xairetoyse toys boyleytes kai toys elege oti, ``o,ti qelete apo ton OEK, elate se emena''. Yparxei martyria toy boyleyth poy to leei kai mish wra meta o k. Panagiwtopoylos skefthke oti den kanei kala th doyleia toy kai ton esteile spiti toy. Dhladh, kata th diarkeia ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs apofasise na leitoyrghsei o k. Panos Panagiwtopoylos kai xwris na ton kalesei se apologia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy qetete mia erwthsh sthn opoia den qa apanthsw. Den gnwrizw na apanthsw. Se kaqe periptwsh, exei anaferqei dhmosiws kai me poly safhneia apo ton armodio ypoyrgo, gia to ti akribws exei symbei.

SIDERHS: Sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti oi dioikhtes twn DEKO, prepei na synergazontai me toys boyleytes. Ws ti qa synergazontai oi dioikhtes twn DEKO me toys boyleytes; Idiwtikopoieite tis DEKO, qelete na doyleyoyn me idiwtikooikonomika krithria. Ti ejyphretei oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias na synergazontai me toys dioikhtes twn DEKO;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipe me boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, h boyleytes genikws;

SIDERHS: Eipe, h Koinoboyleytikh Omada. Anaferotan sth Nea Dhmokratia. Den eipe oi boyleytes genikws. Ti ejyphretei kai me poia kaqestwtikh logikh qa synergazontai oi boyleytes me toys dioikhtes twn DEKO;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi boyleytes metexoyn ston antiproswpeytiko qesmo toy Koinoboylioy. Einai politika stelexh. Ayto isxyei gia toys boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn, poy afoygkrazontai thn koinh gnwmh, akoyne ta problhmata, syzhtoyn gi` ayta kai prospaqoyn na broyn lyseis. Kata synepeia h qesmikh ayth syzhthsh poy mporei na ginei me ton opoiondhpote ypoyrgo h yfypoyrgo h boyleyth kai ton opoiondhpote proedro h dioikhth organismoy einai epibeblhmenh. Den antilambanomai thn aporia sas.

SIDERHS: Anaferotan sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyoyn osa sas eipa.

GARGALAKOS: To ``PARON ths KYRIAKHS'', ektos apo to xqesino dhmosieyma sthn ypoqesh Oikonomopoyloy, eixe kai ena sxolio sto perasmeno fyllo toy, poy anaferotan, fwtografize th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh. Me dedomeno oti exoyn perasei deka hmeres peripoy apo tote, den qa eprepe h kybernhsh na exei kinhtopoihqei kai na eixe hdh kapoia qesh kai oxi na trexei thn teleytaia stigmh gia na lysei ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipa prohgoymenws -kai gnwrizoyme oloi mas kaqhmerina, legontai, diakinoyntai, grafontai, akoygontai polla pragmata. Den shmainei oti me to kaqe ti poy grafetai, akoygetai h legetai, amesws lambanetai kai mia apofash. Antilambaneste oti ayto qa eixe mia seira problhmatwn kai sigoyra qa mporoyse na adikhsei para poly kosmo.

BLAXOS: Giati twra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthsei o k. Panagiwtopoylos sto ``giati twra''. Mhn janarwtate. Einai h tetarth fora poy to anaferw.

BLAXOS: Einai poly shmantiko na mas peite eseis k. Ypoyrge. Giati lete se mia apanthsh sas prin apo ligo, oti einai dyo diaforetika qemata. To qema ths mh kalhs synergasias kai ta qemata hqikhs tajews poy eteqhsan. Apo poioys eteqhsan ta qemata hqikhs tajews;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthsei gia to qema o ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs. Den exete enhmerwqei kala. Enhmerwqeite kai qa deite oti exete apanthseis sta zhthmata ayta.

BLAXOS: Gi` ayto eiste eseis edw gia na mas enhmerwsete. Peite mas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos. Eimai edw na enhmerwnw kai oxi na epanalambanw synexws pragmata poy einai hdh gnwsta stoys perissoteroys.

KAKALHS: Sto qema ths bombistikhs ekrhjhs, yparxei gia thn kybernhsh zhthma eyqynwn stis astynomikes arxes, me bash thn plhroforia oti enhmerwqhkan egkairws alla den apekleisan thn perioxh me apotelesma na yparjoyn traymatismoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete kala, oti thn wra poy egine h ekrhjh, i sthn perioxh toy Syntagmatos, kineitai polys kosmos. Yphrje loipon egkairh prospaqeia apo thn astynomia na apokleistoyn oi xwroi. Opws enhmerwqhka apo ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs, to thlefwnhma se efhmerida anaferotan sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, to opoio brisketai sthn odo Karagiwrgh Serbias. H mhxanh htan topoqethmenh ejw apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Wstoso, egkairws oi astynomikes dynameis, eftasan sto xwro kai arxisan na ekkenwnoyn thn perioxh. Ap@ oti plhroforhqhka h ektimhsh moy einai oti egine mia poly kalh doyleia shmera to prwi.

KAKALHS: Par` ola ayta den eixan apokleisei thn perioxh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn paroti eixan enhmerwqei mish wra nwritera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an hsastan parwn, egw sas anaferw thn enhmerwsh thn opoia exoyn kai alloi synadelfoi sas, oi opoioi phgan epi topoy.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, gi` ayta poy eipe xqes, o k. Meimarakhs. Eipe, epi lejei o Grammateas, thn politikh eyqynh gia tetoioy eidoys zhthmata thn exoyn oi epopteyontes toys organismoys ypoyrgoi. Kai rwtaw: Otan h Nea Dhmokratia anelabe th diakybernhsh ths xwras, o kentrikos kybernhtikos mhxanismos poy exei egkatastaqei sto Megaro Majimoy hlegje ayta ta onomata, eidate peri poiwn stelexwn prokeitai; Efoson ta eidate, gia na ta egkrinete ta eidate, den exete kai eseis thn kentrikh politikh eyqynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oloi krinomaste. Eite einai ypoyrgos, eite einai dioikhths organismoy, eite einai grammateas ypoyrgeioy k.o.k. Den gnwrizw ti ennoeite otan lete ``an hlegje kapoios''. An dhladh anoije fakeloys gia na pistopoihsei.

PAPAGIANNHS: An gia paradeigma topoqethsete ws dioikhth kapoion o opoios exei bebarhmeno poiniko mhtrwo, poios exei thn eyqynh; O ypoyrgos h h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei tetoio paradeigma;

PAPAGIANNHS: Den yparxei tetoio paradeigma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tote giati to anaferete; Giati h anafora kai mono dhmioyrgei entypwseis. Syn to oti h erwthsh sas dhmioyrgei thn entypwsh oti exoyme na kanoyme me paranomies h mia seira apo paranomies. Sas anefera prohgoymenws kai epanalambanw oti yponoies, endeijeis kai poly perissotero bebaiws stoixeia kai apodeijeis, exoyn mia sygkekrimenh antimetwpish apo thn kybernhsh kai apo ola ta kybernhtika stelexh.

XIWTHS: Ayto poy prospaqoyme na katalaboyme einai an o sygkekrimenos ajiwmatoyxos, kratikos leitoyrgos, apomakrynqhke dioti oi ejhghseis poy klhqhke na dwsei to meshmeri toy Sabbatoy, den kriqhkan eparkeis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanete to idio qema. Qa to anaferw gia teleytaia fora. Exei apanthsei hdh o armodios ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs kai to Sabbato kai thn Kyriakh me tis dhlwseis poy ekane. Shmera kinhqhke sthn kateyqynsh ayth twn entolwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ara anamenoyme se o,ti afora to qema twn opoiwn yponoiwn, na exoyme thn ereyna apo th Dikaiosynh, h opoia bebaiws qa katalhjei se symperasmata.

BLAXOS: Ara o Prwqypoyrgos toy eipe na thn steilei ston Eisaggelea;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa rwthsete otan erqei h seira sas.

BLAXOS: Einai shmantiko na mas dieykrinisete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oles oi erwthseis poy kanoyn oi synadelfoi sas einai shmantikes, toylaxiston ejisoy me tis dikes sas.

MPOTSARAKOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an edwse entolh o Prwqypoyrgos na apomakrynqei to sygkekrimeno stelexos afoy enhmerwqhke. Kai deyteron epeidh ginetai poly koybenta gia to poios epeleje to sygkekrimeno proswpo, qa hqela na rwthsw an epishmws ap` thn kybernhsh exei yparjei kapoios elegxos sta stelexh poy topoqethqhkan. Kai to lew ayto gia ton ejhs logo: O k. Panagiwtopoylos exei pei epaneilhmmenws tis teleytaies hmeres oti htan dikh toy epilogh, anejarthta apo to poios toy ton ypedeije. Einai epishmh dhlwsh toy k. Panagiwtopoyloy. Eixe ypodeixqei apo kapoion apo to Megaro Majimoy, ap` ton Prwqypoyrgo h toylaxiston an egkriqhke.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanerxomai s` ayto poy anefera prohgoymenws. Diabasa mia lista me seira onomatwn. Metajy aytwn, anefera prohgoymenws ton k. Nezh. Kai to onoma toy k. Palaiokrassa anaferqhke. Prospaqoyme na baloyme onomata se mia diadikasia h opoia einai atelesforh, dhmioyrgwntas entypwseis h yponoies. Epanalambanw oti an yparxoyn yponoies, an yparxoyn endeijeis, poly perissotero an yparxoyn stoixeia, exoyme enan sygkekrimeno tropo me ton opoio ta xeirizomaste emeis ws kybernhsh, entelws antiqeto me ayton poy ta xeiristhke h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Me entypwseis den katadikazetai kaneis, opoy kai na brisketai.

BLAXOS: Sto erwthma, an edwse entolh o k. Karamanlhs ston k. Panagiwtopoylo na ta parapemcei ston Eisaggelea, den apanthsate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh s` ayta ta erwthmata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto qema ths epiloghs twn proswpwn, to opoio syzhthsame twra pro oligoy, sthn periptwsh toy k. Panagiwtopoyloy dyo hdh dioikhtes h ypodioikhtes organismwn, o prwtos htan o k. Stefanoy kai twra o k. Oikonomopoylos, fainetai na exoyn epilegei me apokleistikh armodiothta toy k. Panagiwtopoyloy. Kai stis dyo periptwseis eixame karatomhseis. Na to pw eyqews: Den yparxei qema politikhs eyqynhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gerasimoy, oxi Stefanoy. Ta exete ligo mplejei ta onomata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, endexomenws, to onoma. O k. Gerasimoy. H alhqeia einai oti 33 onomata einai polla gia ta sygkrathsei kaneis. Kai lew, den yparxei qema politikhs eyqynhs toy ypoyrgeioy stis periptwseis ths epiloghs aytwn twn proswpwn; Kapoios den analambanei thn politikh eyqynh, den to xrewnetai ayto to pragma, aytes tis epiloges, eidika otan den toy bgainoyn; Ayth einai h erwthsh moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poy qelete na katalhjete;

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto an apodexeste oti yparxei qema politikhs eyqynhs gia tis periptwseis, toso toy k. Gerasimoy, oso kai toy k. Oikonomopoyloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Merikes fores me rwtate to aytonohto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den einai aytonohta, giati ean htan aytonohta, den qa kaname tis syzhthseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete apanthsh h qelete na kanete sxolio; Ean qelete, synexisete. Lew, loipon, oti merikes fores me rwtate ta aytonohta. Thn politikh eyqynh thn analambanei kaqe boyleyths kai kaqe ypoyrgos, otan orkizontai. H apanthsh sto erwthma sas einai aytonohth.

TSIODRAS: Eipate oti o k. Panagiwtopoylos otan plhroforhqhke kapoia pragmata stis arxes ths ebdomadas@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwthsate to idio pragma kai prin.

TSIODRAS: Oxi, qa sas rwthsw allo twra, mhn anhsyxeite.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H eisagwgh htan h idia.

TSIODRAS: Oxi, prin den phra apanthsh, me parapemcate ston k. Papagiwtopoylo. Eginan kapoia pragmata stis arxes ths ebdomadas: Enhmerwse to Megaro Majimoy stis arxes ths ebdomadas o k. Panagiwtopoylos gia ayta h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero gia thn ypoqesh. Oi entoles toy Prwqypoyrgoy se oloys toys ypoyrgoys, yfypoyrgoys, dioikhtes organismwn, genikoys grammateis einai safeis. Dhlwmenes dhmosiws apo ton idio kai epanalambanomenes diarkws apo emena se ayth thn aiqoysa.

PEPONHS: Me ayta kai me ayta, h ekdhlwsh paradoshs twn spitiwn stoys dikaioyxoys sta Giannena anablhqhke. Qa paradoqoyn ta spitia kai pote;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika qa paradoqoyn, alla den mporw na gnwrizw th xronikh stigmh. To armodio ypoyrgeio qa kanei anakoinwsh.

KAKALHS: Poio einai to zhtoymeno ths ayrianhs synedriashs sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph gia to wrario twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn; Pame gia mia genikeymenh leitoyrgia twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn to apogeyma h qa exoyme elastikopoihsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa ginoyn anakoinwseis ayrio. Gnwrizete oti to qema exei syzhthqei hdh, prin apo dyo mhnes, sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Ayrio qa ginoyn oristikes anakoinwseis.

BLAXOS: Thlefwnikh epikoinwnia Panagiwtopoyloy-Prwqypoyrgoy to Sabbatokyriako yphrje;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw.

BLAXOS: Den to gnwrizete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh den bgazoyme akrh, telika, me ton k. Oikonomopoylo na rwthsw to ejhs: Thn dhlwsh sas oti den exei ginei kamia syzhthsh gia to qema twn proswpwn poy qa paralaboyn to xrisma gia tis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges na thn eklabw ws endeijh enoxlhshs kai dysforias apo to Megaro Majimoy, to oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs espeyse na ypodeijei thn k. Aggelopoyloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa dianooymhn na kanw th doyleia sas kai na sas ypodeijw pws na to eklabete. Qa to eklabete opws eseis nomizete. Einai safhs h dhlwsh moy. Lew kai epanalambanw oti den yparxei kamia syzhthsh gia qemata poy aforoyn ypochfiothtes sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Den xreiazetai tipote perissotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, enhrghse aytoboylws o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai proteine ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pali moy zhtate na kanw th doyleia sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Soyrlas proxqes milwntas, milhse gia plhrh arsh monimothtas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw erwthqei kai sto parelqon gi ayto to qema kai exw apanthsei. Den yparxei tetoia skech.

MPOTSARAKOS: Einai dokimo, loipon, efoson den exei ginei kamia tetoia syzhthsh epishmws sta organa toy kommatos, koryfaios th tajei ypoyrgos na kataqetei protaseis gia proswpikothtes sxetika me ton megalytero dhmo ths xwras, th stigmh poy allos synadelfos toy ypoyrgos exei ekfrasei edw kai kairo, epishmws, thn epiqymia toy na einai ypochfios sto dhmo Aqhnaiwn. Rwtw giati edw tiqetai kai ena qema allhleggyhs. Fantazomai oti qa htan pio logiko enas synadelfos ypoyrgos na yposthrijei thn epilogh toy synadelfoy toy kai oxi ena proswpo poy den anhkei -eyqews as to poyme- sto kybernwn komma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw na diabasete th dhlwsh toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai qa diapistwsete oti ton adikeite me to pws diatypwnete thn erwthsh sas.

KYRITSHS: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish: Stis eisagwgikes sas anakoinwseis eipate oti qa synedriasei ayrio to KYSEA gia na oristikopoihsei thn agora 30 F-16. Einai 30 h 30+10;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizw ayto poy sas anakoinwsa. Den gnwrizw kati allo.

BLAXOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean alhqeyei oti o k. Panagiwtopoylos epixeiroyse kata th diarkeia toy Sabbatokyriakoy na thlefwnhsei ston k. Karamanlh kai o k. Karamanlhs den ebgaine sto thlefwno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

TSIODRAS: Eipate oti den exei ginei kamia syzhthsh gia onomata. Den exei ginei kamia syzhthsh oyte gia ton k. Kaklamanh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei ginei kamia syzhthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Twra poy katateqhke h protash gia thn k. Aggelopoyloy, pws thn blepei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa anoijw egw th syzhthsh, otan den thn exei anoijei o Prwqypoyrgos.

GKOYTZANHS: Giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi ypoyrgoi, oi boyleytes einai eleyqeroi na diatypwnoyn apoceis. Egw sas eipa ti akribws isxyei.

KYRITSHS: To endexomeno mias ypochfiothtas ths k. Aggelopoyloy, h opoia qa yposthrizotan apo to PASOK kai apo th N.D. fysika, pws qa to blepate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete den apantw se senaria.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs, meta apo ena geyma poy eixe me thn k. Aggelopoyloy, ekane thn protash ayth . Exei kamia sxesh ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecete moy na pw oti ean adikhqhke mia fora prohgoymenws o k. Alogoskoyfhs, ton adikeite gia deyterh fora, me ayto to opoio eipate.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den egine to geyma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allo me rwthsate.

PAPAGIANNHS: Ejetazei h kybernhsh to endexomeno se kapoioys mikroteroys dhmoys ths xwras na mhn dwsei sthrijeis h politika xrismata stoys ypochfioys ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete h kybernhsh den dinei sthrijeis. Ta kommata einai ayta poy ypodeiknyoyn h sthrizoyn.

SIDERHS: Mia kai milame gia Topikh Aytodioikhsh, den eixate pei oti qa katarghsete ton ``Kapodistria'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gi ayto to qema exoyme milhsei polles fores sto parelqon.

SIDERHS: Deixnete anakoloyqoi, oxi allo tipota.

Sas eyxaristw.

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