Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-10-20

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 20 Oktwbrioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Ypoyrgos Metaforwn k. M. Liaphs, se thlefwnikh epikoinwnia poy eixe mazi moy, me enhmerwse oti shmeiwqhke atyxhma se treno konta sth Qessalonikh. Oi prwtes plhrofories lene oti anetraph amajostoixia sthn perioxh Adendro, se apostash 30 xiliometrwn apo th Qessalonikh.

Oi prwtes ektimhseis einai oti eixe anaptyjei megalyterh taxythta. Epanalambanw oti einai oi prwtes ektimhseis, giati antilambaneste oti prokeitai gia ena qema, to opoio qa ereynhqei me th deoysa prosoxh. Yparxoyn traymaties. Ayth th stigmh metabainoyn sto shmeio dynameis toy stratoy, ths astynomias kai asqenofora. Ean exw kati newtero, qa sas enhmerwsw.

Ekkremei apo xqes apanthsh moy sto erwthma toy k. Mosxoba, sxetika me to tragiko dystyxhma toy SINOYK. O ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynhs k. Sp. Sphliwtopoylos me enhmerwse shmera oti ektos twn allwn, oti se prosfath episkech toy sthn Kypro eixe synanthqei kai eixe synomilhsei me thn oikogeneia toy eklipontos Patriarxh Alejandreias. H ypoqesh brisketai sth stratiwtikh dikaiosynh kai exei parei to dromo ths.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Na jekinhsw me ena neotero peristatiko. To gegonos oti oi toyrkikes arxes arnhqhkan na sfragisoyn h toylaxiston ekanan ``kaconi'' an to legame laika, ston epikefalhs twn Ellhnwn Eyrwboyleytwn k. Barbitsiwth kata thn eisodo toy sto aerodromio ths Kwnstantinoypolhs. Arnhqhkan kat` arxhn na toy anagnwrisoyn to diplwmatiko diabathrio toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy. Poia einai h antidrash ths kybernhshs apenanti s@ ayto to ``kaconi'' twn toyrkikwn arxwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H plhroforia sas den einai akribhs. O k. Barbitsiwths den eixe to diabathrio toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy. Eixe ena ``laisser passer'' toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy. Exoyn hdh ginei oi aparaithtes parastaseis apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, afoy prohgoymenws oi projenikes arxes, poy enhmerwqhkan apo ton k. Barbitsiwth, bohqhsan wste na lhjei to grhgorotero dynato h talaipwria poy ypesth sto aerodromio ths Kwnstantinoypolhs, shmera to prwi. Sxetikes dhlwseis exei kanei o ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h Arxh Prostasias twn Dikaiwmatwn toy Polith kai toy Anqrwpoy, ekane eikosi protaseis me tis opoies apodeiknyetai oti gia na yparjei diaxwrismos Kratoys-Ekklhsias, den xreiazetai na allajei to Syntagma. Skeftetai h kybernhsh na toys kalesei kai na entajei ston problhmatismo ths aytoys toys problhmatismoys ayths ths Arxhs, h qa parameinete pistoi sto diaxroniko twn sxesewn synyparjhs ths Dejias me thn Ekklhsia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw to diko sas sxolio. Gnwrizw oti kaqhmerina oi plhrofories einai polles kai den prolabainete na tis parakoloyqhsete oles. Wstoso, se ena tetoio qema ofeilete na gnwrizete oti h kybernhsh exei hdh kalesei thn Arxh, th sygkekrimenh omada, me thn opoia proxqes synanthqhke h k. Giannakoy. H ypoyrgos Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn ekane sxetikh dhlwsh, sthn opoia kai qa parameinw.

SIDERHS: Ma to gnwrizoyme. Diabasame to reportaz. Ti prokeitai na kanete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, otan me rwtate an skeftetai h kybernhsh na toys kalesei, agnoeite oti toys exei hdh kalesei edw kai dyo hmeres.

SIDERHS: Htan laqos ekfrash. Qa entajete ton problhmatismo toys ston diko sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto oysiastiko erwthma poy ypoballate, sas apantw oti exei kanei dhlwsh h k. Giannakoy, sthn opoia kai paramenw. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia tis xqesines topoqethseis -as tis xarakthrisw etsi- toy k. Sartzetakh sthn proswpikh istoselida toy. Ta peri symmoritopolemoy aphxoyn kai qeseis h apoceis kybernhtikwn stelexwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw dhlwseis toy prwhn Proedroy ths Dhmokratias.

BLAXOS: Ypociazomai oti enhmerwqhkate kai gia ta osa grafontai shmera ston ellhniko Typo alla kai ta osa ginontai kai legontai sta dieqnh MME. Kai anaferomai bebaia sthn istoria me th galopoyla. Poio xarakthristikh, ap@ oti moy eipane, den thn eida egw, htan h ekfrash ths paroysiastrias toy xqesinoy deltioy twn 10:30 toy CNN, otan me tromerh ekfrash aporhse pws einai dynaton mia xwra poy anhkei sthn E.E. na xanei ena tetoio deigma kai na yparxoyn ayta ta erwthmatika. Telika breqhke h galopoyla; Telika yparxei nosos; Giati akoygetai kai oti den yparxei nosos kai oti htan olh ayth h istoria yperbolikh kai oti oysiastika ejeqese th xwra mas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto deytero skelos toy erwthmatos sas, exw apanthsei. Eipame para polla xqes. Exw dwsei apanthseis se ola ta erwthmata. Sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, mhn perimenete bebaia na sxoliasw dhmosiografo. Den sxoliazw kanena dhmosiografo eite Ellhnas, eite allodapos gia na synexistei kai h epikairh syzhthsh peri twn dhmosiografwn kai th sxesh toys me ta MME.

BLAXOS: Metaferate ston Prwqypoyrgo olo ayto to klima poy yparxei gia na stamathsei h ``biomhxania'' agwgwn; Kai ti sas apanthse;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh akoyei protaseis. Eixa xqes mia synanthsh me to Diaswmateiako -peran dhladh twn dhmosiografikwn kai alles Enwseis poy asxoloyntai me qemata Typoy, eite texnikwn eite dioikhtikwn klp- oi opoies moy eqesan to zhthma. Se synomilia poy eixa me ton Proedro ths ESHEA k. Sompolo moy gnwstopoihse oti qa proteinei sthn kybernhsh sygkekrimenes apoceis. Eipa kai xqes kai proxqes oti qa akoysw protaseis, qa akoysw apoceis kai qa sas enhmerwsw.

BLAXOS: Oxi. Egw rwthsa ean enhmerwsate ton k. Karamanlh gi ayto to qema kai an yphrje.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai enhmeros gia ola ta qemata.

BLAXOS: H antidrash toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sas thn pw.

BLAXOS: Giati, einai kratiko mystiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H antidrash toy einai kaqara politikh: Na akoyseis ayta ta opoia qa proteinoyn kai sth synexeia na doyme ti qa ginei.

BLAXOS: Epeidh einai kaqara politikh, gi ayto endiaferomai na thn akoysw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas to eipa hdh. Qa akoysw loipon tis protaseis poy yparxoyn gia ena nomo o opoios einai poly palios. Malista se ayto to shmeio qa hqela -kai moy dinete mia kalh eykairia- na epishmanw thn ypokrisia kapoiwn stelexwn toy PASOK. Stelexos toy PASOK poy synetaje ayton to nomo, o k. Benizelos, bghke xqes diaprysios khrykas twn antiqetwn. Den einai h prwth fora poy ginetai ayto. Kai alles fores polla stelexh toy PASOK erxontai enantion toy eaytoy toys. Ayto apasxolei to PASOK kai thn koinwnia poy toys krinei.

BLAXOS: Alla eseis synexizete omws. Ayto einai to problhma. Katalabate; Oti eseis synexizete ayto poy ekane o k. Benizelos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas ejhghsa th diadikasia, yparxei nomos ths Boylhs.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na mas enhmerwsete ean gnwrizete gia toys empeirognwmones poy exoyn erqei apo thn E.E., se sxesh me to zhthma ths griphs twn poylerikwn, an qa mas kanoyn kapoioys elegxoys h ti problepetai; H synergasia pws qa einai; Eipate xqes oti toys kalesame emeis. Ti exete na mas peite gyrw apo ayto kai blepoyme shmera kapoia dhmosieymata -toylaxiston feretai sta dhmosieymata ayta ena klima- oti h kybernhsh apodidei ayth th sygxysh poy egine tis teleytaies hmeres kai pali stoys dhmosiografoys. Ayto to yioqeteite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei se ola ta erwthmata. Den qa pw tipote perissotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sxetika me th noso twn poyliwn qa hqela na rwthsw. Toylaxiston orismenoi eidikoi, opws ekfrasthkan sto ALTER xqes, yposthrizoyn oti den htan h prepoysa energeia to na steilete to deigma sto ergasthrio toy Londinoy. S` ayto ti exete na peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei kai se ayto to qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oti; Apanthsate xqes endexomenws, alla shmera, epeidh exoyn bgei oi eidikoi kai eipan oti den einai kai pistopoihmeno to ergasthrio ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw se poioys eidikoys anafereste. To ergasthrio toy Londinoy einai kentro anaforas. Ta eipame ayta apo xqes. Yparxei pistopoihmeno ergasthrio sth Qessalonikh. Qa perimenoyme ta apotelesmata.

TSIODRAS: Xqes milhsate gia qetiko deigma, wstoso yparxoyn kapoies plhrofories poy miloyn oxi gia qetiko deigma gia th sygkekrimenh asqeneia poy milame, alla gia alloy eidoys asqeneia apo thn opoia epasxan ta sygkekrimena poylia. Ti ginetai telika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei doqei apanthsh kai apo ton k. Konto, proxqes, se ayth thn aiqoysa. Qa perimenoyme ta apotelesmata twn ergasthriwn, prin ginei peraiterw anakoinwsh panw s` ayto to zhthma.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qa hqela na kanw dyo erwthseis sxetikes me to qema. H prwth afora tis plhrofories poy eidan shmera to fws ths dhmosiothtas, symfwna me tis opoies thlefwnhqhkate me ton armodio Ypoyrgo k. Mpasiako kai toy metaferate oysiastika th dysareskeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy. An alhqeyoyn aytes oi plhrofories h oxi. Kai to deytero exei na kanei me thn emfanish toy k. Kaklamanh. Qewreite oti h emfanish toy na trwei kotopoylo h podarakia apo kotopoylo apotelei meros toy epikoinwniakoy trik ths kybernhshs gia na anatrecei thn katastash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas: H epikoinwnia moy me oloys toys Ypoyrgoys kai eidika me Ypoyrgoys armodioys gia qemata poy apasxoloyn thn epikairothta einai syxnh, polles fores mesa sthn hmera. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos: O k. Kaklamanhs episkefqhke tis Oinoysses, emeine ekei olh thn hmera kai htan fysiko to meshmeri na faei. Protimhse na epilejei ena faghto to opoio einai ``ypo kathgoria'', apodeiknyontas kai o idios sthn prajh oti den yparxei kanenas logos anhsyxias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me olh ayth thn istoria, ths aysthrothtas poy qa epideijoyn kybernhtika stelexh apenanti se dhmosieymata poy toys aforoyn kai me olo ayto to klima skandalologias eite an to poyme apokalych skandalwn apo th mia pleyra, eite kataggelia anyparktwn skandalwn apo thn allh, qewreite oti ws kybernhsh bohqaei thn oikonomia kai bohqaei kai tis kinhseis ths kybernhshs na mporesei na proxwrhsei sto metarryqmistiko ths ergo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Thn oikonomia, opws gnwrizete, thn eynooyn oi metarryqmiseis stis opoies exei probei ayth h kybernhsh. Kai synexizei na lambanei metra, wste na beltiwqei h oikonomia, na afhsoyme pisw ta problhmata poy klhronomhsame, ta problhmata toy parelqontos kai na mpoyme se enan kainoyrgio dromo.

TSIODRAS: Pws sxoliazete thn ekqesh ths Standard & Poor@s h opoia ypobaqmizei thn pistolhptikh ikanothta ths Elladas apo A+ se A kai ektima oti ta metra poy exoyn lhfqei den einai eparkh prokeimenoy na yparxei diarkhs oikonomikh anaptyjh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An moy eixate kanei ayth thn erwthsh perysi, qa hsastan epikairos. Ayto to opoio lete, synebh perysi. Fetos, den yphrje kamia ypobaqmish apo th Standard & Poor@s.

TSIODRAS: Nomizw oti einai xqesinh h ekqesh, an den kanoyn laqos ta dhmosieymata twn efhmeridwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos sto qema ths ypobaqmishs. Den yparxei kamia ypobaqmish. H ekqesh ths Standard & Poor@s zhta pio sklhra metra. Emeis exoyme apofasisei oti qa akoloyqhsoyme thn politikh ths hpias prosarmoghs -thn opoia kai akoloyqoyme- pisteyontas oti qa kataferoyme na lysoyme ta problhmata poy paralabame. Idiws na meiwsoyme to elleimma.

BLAXOS: O k. Mpasiakos paramenei Ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai. Den exw kamia antiqeth plhroforia. Den katalabainw giati rwtate gi` ayto.

BLAXOS: Ennow an yparxei kybernhtiko stelexos h o Prwqypoyrgos poy eperrican eyqynes ston k. Mpasiako proswpika gia to xeirismo oloy aytoy toy qematos kai ara, kat` epektash, an einai ypeyqynos gi` ayto to klima poy dhmioyrghqhke, ths sygxyshs kai twn dhmosieymatwn se eswteriko kai dieqnes epipedo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka kai xqes gia to idio qema kai apanthsa. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

BLAXOS: Ara, paramenei sto Ypoyrgeio toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthsate kai prin apo ligo.

SIDERHS: Qewreite endedeigmenh th stash toy k. Palaiokrassa, poy den apedwse 26 ekatommyria apo to merisma ths DEH, epeidh ofeilei to YPEXWDE xrhmata sth DEH;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw to qema. Parakalw apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

BLAXOS: Grafetai oti o k. Arapogloy ths Eqnikhs, apokalyce xqes oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs toy eipe na jekinhsei grhgora - grhgora h diadikasia ths eqeloysias ejodoy twn ergazomenwn, giati an paei meta thn 1h Ianoyarioy, qa ypoxrewqei h Eqnikh na dwsei 500 ekatommyria eyrw sto IKA. Dhladh, oysiastika leei na teleiwnoyme gia na mhn epibarynqei h trapeza me ta 500 ekatommyria eyrw ta opoia, opws fainetai, qa xasei to IKA. Qa hqela ena sxolio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias.

PAPAGIANNHS: Stis xqesines dhlwseis toy o k. Soyflias mallon esteile ena mhnyma pros thn kybernhsh. Milhse gia skandalologia, h opoia den synadei me to sygxrono yfos twn politikwn. Eseis pws to eklambanete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti diabasate laqos tis dhlwseis toy k. Soyflia. O k. Soyflias apantwntas kai proswpika o idios -giati thn prwth hmera yphrje apanthsh apo to Grafeio Typoy toy YPEXWDE- sta osa anypostata eipwqhkan sto politiko organo poy synhlqe sto PASOK gia qemata twn ergwn, edwse thn pragmatikh diastash toy ti ginetai me ta erga kai milhse gia tis logikes skandalologias apo tis opoies diepetai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh kai nyn antipoliteysh.

BLAXOS: O k. Soyflias kanei kai mia politikh parembash, kalwntas oysiastika toys politikoys arxhgoys twn kommatwn na dwsoyn ena telos sth skandalologia. Jerete ti lene polla kybernhtika stelexh; Oti toses hmeres mas ebgaze to PASOK skandala, alla o k. Soyflias den apantoyse. Molis bghke ena skandalo poy afora to YPEXWDE, tote bghke na pei stoys arxhgoys na stamathsoyn th skandalologia. Qa hqela ena sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, den bghke kanena skandalo poy na afora to YPEXWDE kai th diakybernhsh ayth.

BLAXOS: Ennow, opws to paroysiazei to PASOK. Ayto lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kathgorhmatika, loipon, apantw se ayto. Kai elabe sygkekrimenh apanthsh to PASOK apo ton k. Soyflia kai th deyterh hmera kai thn prwth hmera, opws eipa. Kata ta loipa, den yparxei amfibolia oti h logikh ths skandalologias blaptei ton topo. Kai milame gia skandalologia. Einai allo, loipon, na yparxei ena skandalo, to opoio ofeilei h ekastote ejoysia na to diereynhsei, na to steilei ston eisaggelea, ofeilei dhladh na asxolhqei h Dikaiosynh mazi toy kai allo, genikws kai aoristws, opws akoysame tis teleytaies ebdomades apo to PASOK, mia skandalologia, poy mono logo eixe na dhmioyrghsei synqhkes isopedwshs.

BLAXOS: H erwthsh moy htan allh, omws. Na sxoliasete to gegonos oti o k. Soyflias den bghke na sthrijei alloys synadelfoys toy, oi opoioi eixan ypostei olo ayto to diasthma th skandalologia, enw bghke twra kai zhthse na stamathsei ayth h skandalologia, giati to PASOK epiteqhke sto ypoyrgeio toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti o k. Soyflias apanthse, me aformh anypostates kathgories poy akoysthkan apo th pleyra toy PASOK. Se kaqe periptwsh, h dhlwsh toy oti h skandalologia blaptei ton topo, einai mia dhlwsh poy apotypwnei thn akribeia aytoy poy symbainei se opoion topo anaptyssetai akrith skandalologia kai genikws skandalologia.

PAPAGIANNHS: Na sas baloyme ligo sta dyskola; Shmera, o k. Papalhgoyras, ejerxomenos apo to Megaro Majimoy, anaferqhke se ypoqeseis toy k. Swkrath Kokkalh, toy gnwstoy epixeirhmatia. Qelw, loipon, na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh proswpopoiei th maxh kata ths diaplokhs kai ths diafqoras, opws thn ennoei, kai an exei sto stoxastro, se proswpiko epipedo, epixeirhmaties.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Papalhgoyras rwthqhke gia thn ejelijh mias ypoqeshs, h opoia exei dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas edw kai para polla xronia. Kai apanthse me aformh thn erwthsh poy toy egine. Ayto shmainei oti den yparxei kanenos eidoys stoxeysh se proswpa, opws lete eseis. Den yphrxe pote tetoia stoxeysh se kanena proswpo. Ekeino to opoio me enargeia apotypwse sth dhlwsh toy, einai oti qa prepei h Dikaiosynh na apodidetai, na proxwroyn oi diadikasies oso pio grhgora ginetai gia na yparxei kai to peri dikaioy aisqhma apotypwmeno sth syneidhsh twn Ellhnwn politwn, alla kai na ayjanetai o baqmos empistosynhs toys sth Dikaiosynh. Tonise de oti oydeis einai yperanw toy nomoy. Den exei na kanei me proswpo. Einai mia genikh kai sygkekrimenh topoqethsh. Isws fainetai mia antifash sth frash, alla h sygkekrimenh exei na kanei me opoioys parabiazoyn toys nomoys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den qewreite oti oi epishmanseis toy k. Soyflia sxetika me th skandalologia aforoyn kai thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apantw se aisqhseis, genikws kai aoristws.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oyte se entypwseis, oyte kan se dhmioyrgia klimatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oyte se entypwseis, oyte se dhmioyrgia klimatos.

MOYRTHS: Yparxei gia thn kybernhsh qema epanaforas toy polytonikoy systhmatos sth glwssa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ox. Den gnwrizw na ginetai tetoia syzhthsh sthn kybernhsh. Gnwrizw oti yparxoyn protaseis boyleytwn.

MOYRTHS: Yparxei protash kai ths Ieras Synodoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, kai ths Ieras Synodoy. To diabasa shmera.

SIDERHS: Qa stenaxwrhsete ton Arxiepiskopo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Giati den apantate se ayth thn erwthsh; Qa stenaxwrhsete ton Arxiepiskopo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na allajoyme qesh; To exete kanei polles fores ayto. An exete thn kalosynh, elate twra na dokimasoyme.

BLAXOS: Qeloyme na jeroyme ean qa stenaxwrhqeite. Gi` ayto rwtame. Endiaferomaste gia sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ola einai apanthsh k. Blaxo. Akoma kai h siwph, merikes fores, einai apanthsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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