Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-09-15

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 15 Septembrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yphrje parembash xqes toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to qema ths O.A. kai sygkekrimena, opws grafoyn shmera dhmosieymata, edwse entolh na prowqhqoyn pros pwlhsh ta kerdofora kommatia ths O.A.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh, diaceydete to dhmosieyma poy leei oti o Prwqypoyrgos edwse entolh na ginei kati tetoio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika.

MIXAHL: Ti apanta h kybernhsh stis epikriseis oti me th ``biasynh'', opws xarakthrizetai apo merida toy Typoy shmera gia thn O.A., dhladh, oti prepei na teleiwnei, opws ki eseis eipate, den mporei na plhrwnei kaqe mhna 1,5 ek. eyrw, sthn oysia eynooyntai oi antagwnistes ths O.A.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to qema ths biasynhs, qa sas qymisw mia dhlwsh poy eixe kanei o tews Prwqypoyrgos k. Shmiths, to Septembrio toy 2000, sth Qessalonikh. Eipe tote oti htan wrimes pia oi synqhkes na ginei kati me thn O.A. Qa sas qymisw, epishs, kai tis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Mparo, o opoios milhse gia problhmata, poy exoyn jekinhsei apo to 1994 kai fqanoyn ews to 2004. Ean, loipon, den einai arketa ta 10 xronia prokeimenoy na lhfqei mia politikh apofash, tote me sygxwreite, alla exoyme teleiws diaforetikh antilhch me aytoys poy miloyn gia biasynh, pws prepei na xeirizetai kaneis ta politika pragmata toy topoy.

SIDERHS: Se allo qema: To shmerino barometro toy SKAI leei oti oi 6 stoys 10 Ellhnes qewroyn oti den katapolemate ikanopoihtika th diaplokh. Lete oloi aytoi na kanoyn laqos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H prospaqeia einai diarkhs, o agwnas einai synexhs. To eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Para thn apagoreysh ths kybernhshs gia th sygkentrwsh ths ``xryshs ayghs'', hqela na rwthsw ti protiqetai na kanei h kybernhsh sthn apofash poy exei parei telika na diorganwqei to kampingk, den jeroyme akomh poy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan safh ayta poy eipa prin apo liges hmeres gia to qema. Den exw na prosqesw tipota allo.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Dhladh, qa empodisei h kybernhsh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei o,ti exw pei.

ROYMELIWTHS: Gia to qema ths O.A., yparxei proqesh ths kybernhshs na ferei to qema pros syzhthsh sth Boylh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh den exei kapoia tetoia proqesh. Bebaiws, ean to zhthsei kapoio komma, qa ginei.

KAKALHS: Eixate milhsei gia dyo senaria, ths ekkaqarishs en leitoyrgia kai ths idiwtikopoihshs. Ennooysate thn idiwtikopoihsh mono twn Olympiakwn Aerogrammwn kai thn ekkaqarish ths palias O.A.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milwntas synolika gia to qema eixa anaferqei sta dyo senaria, wste na sas bohqhsw na gnwrizete poly kala to ti mellei genesqai apo edw kai pera. Shmera to apogeyma, opws gnwrizete, qa synedriasei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph kai qa ginoyn anakoinwseis amesws meta.

RABANOS: Dyo syntomes erwthseis: Prwton, einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo ton tropo me ton opoio xeirizetai o k. Palaiokrasas ta qemata ths DEH kai deyteron, ean o k. Palaiokrasas xairei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn apanthsei kai sta dyo erwthmata poy qetete kai o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh, alla kai o k. Sioyfas.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Symfwna me th symbash poy exei ypogracei h O.A. dinei kapoio poso sto aerodromio twn Spatwn. Sthn periptwsh poy kleisei h O.A., poios qa kalycei ayto to poso;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw na apeyqynete ta eidika erwthmata sta armodia ypoyrgeia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Prosfata, opws toylaxiston plhroforoymaste apo mia erwthsh boyleyth toy PASOK, oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi k. Sioyfas kai Alogoskoyfhs enekrinan diplasiasmo toy misqoy toy Proedroy ths Ryqmistikhs Arxhs Energeias k. Karamanh apo 6.500 eyrw sta 13.000 eyrw. Anarwtiemai ean isxyei kati tetoio, pws einai dynaton ayth h energeia na symbibazetai me thn epoxh ``isxnwn ageladwn'' poy perna h ellhnikh oikonomia shmera kai meta tis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti den mporei na dwsei ayjhseis kai paroxes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na ypobalete to erwthma sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Qelw na sas pw -epanalambanontas kati poy eixa pei pro mhnwn anaferomenos se sxetikh syzhthsh poy eixe ginei se ayth thn aiqoysa- oti oi epixeirhseis ekeines poy leitoyrgoyn antagwnistika, qa prepei na leitoyrgoyn me kanones antagwnismoy synolika.

POYLIDOY: Exete plhrofories gia energopoihsh ths prwtoboylias Nimits gia to qema ths PGDM;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw kati.

POYLIDOY: Gnwrizete ean prokeitai na analabei prwtoboylia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw.

SIDERHS: Sto qema toy petrelaioy qermanshs, pali jana allazei o tropos me to AFM twn diaxeiristwn. Kat` arxhn, htan sobaros o programmatismos poy eixe ginei kai allazoyn etsi pali ta dedomena; Kai deyteron, ean den qeloyn na baloyn mpelades sto kefali toys oi diaxeiristes twn polykatoikiwn ti qa ginei; Qa diorisete eseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa apanthsw sto deytero erwthma, giati afora ton kaqena proswpika, den afora thn kybernhsh. H kybernhsh ayto poy frontise na kanei -kai to frontise se syntomo xroniko diasthma entos toy kalokairioy apo thn hmera poy anakoinwqhke oti qa proxwrhsei se ryqmiseis- einai na patajei th forodiafygh sta kaysima. Milame gia megalhs ektashs forodiafygh, h opoia synexizetai epi polla xronia. Ginetai h prwth shmantikh prospaqeia na pataxqei h forodiafygh gia to koino kalo.

ROYMELIWTHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, ean oi armodioi ypoyrgoi poy syskeptontai kai diaxeirizontai to qema ths Olympiakhs exoyn stenh synergasia me ton k. Dhma, o opoios kai sthn periptwsh toy basikoy metoxoy eixe proteinei kapoies lyseis, ean dhladh edw yparxei swsth synergasia twn ypoyrgwn me ton k. Dhma. Kai deyteron, toso eseis, oso kai o Prwqypoyrgos eipate oti diasfalizontai ta ergasiaka dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn sthn Olympiakh. Mia diasfalish einai na paroyn kai apozhmiwsh, efoson apolyqoyn. Qa diasfalisete kai to misqo toys mexri na syntajiodothqoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas: Kaqe kybernhsh enos ekastoy kratoys-meloys, ofeilei na exei synergasia me oloys toys Epitropoys, me thn Epitroph synolika. Opws gnwrizete, o kaqe Epitropos den ekproswpei th xwra toy. Exei ena xartofylakio. Einai men eqnikhs katagwghs, alla den ekproswpei th xwra toy se ola ta qemata. Ara, yparxei synergasia me olh thn Epitroph kai ton k. Dhma, sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn enos ekastoy. Oson afora sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, h diasfalish twn oswn exoyme pei apo thn prwth stigmh, qa einai eparkhs, qa einai akribhs. Ayto to eixe pei kai o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh.

PEPONHS: Anaferate prohgoymenws kai dyo fores tis prohgoymenes hmeres oti to hmerhsio kostos ths Olympiakhs einai 1,5 ekatommyrio eyrw. To poso ayto pws analyetai; Einai kai to kaqaro poso poy epibarynei to metoxo mesa sto 1,5 ekat. eyrw. Dhladh einai 540 ekat. eyrw to xrono poy plhrwnei o metoxos gia th Olympiakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa posa einai ta xrhmata poy xanei -``mpainei mesa'' na to poyme etsi se pio aplh glwssa- h Olympiakh Aeroporia. Kai sas eipa oti einai peripoy 1,5 ekat. eyrw thn hmera. Na sas dwsw ena paradeigma: To 2003 h palia Olympiakh ``mphke mesa'' 388 ekat. eyrw. Sas qymizw oti h nea Olympiakh systhqhke stis arxes Dekembrioy kai mphke mesa 23 ekat. eyrw se 18 hmeres leitoyrgias monon. Kai h Aeroploia 30 ekat. eyrw. To synolo einai 441 ekat. eyrw mesa se ena xrono -mono gia to 2003- poso to opoio proseggizei, opws eipa, to 1,5 ekat. eyrw thn hmera. Epishs, qelw na sas pw oti to 2004 me thn aysthrh politikh poy akoloyqhqhke, shmeiwqhke kerdos ths tajhs twn 100 ekat. eyrw peripoy, se sxesh me to 2003. Dhladh, h Olympiakh ``mphke mesa'' ligotera xrhmata, ejaitias ths politikhs poy akoloyqhqhke apo thn kybernhsh.

KAKALHS: Epanalabate kai shmera oti h Olympiakh zhmiwnei to Dhmosio me 1,5 ekat. eyrw. Omws, oi ergazomenoi antiteinoyn oti exei esoda 1,3 ekat. eyrw thn hmera. Ayto shmainei oti h zhmia sto Dhmosio einai gyrw stis 200.000 eyrw thn hmera. Giati lete th mish alhqeia; Ayto qelw na pw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dikh sas apoch. Sas milw epi th basei stoixeiwn poy diaqetei to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai ta opoia katagrafontai stoys isologismoys twn dyo etaireiwn.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, den yparxoyn esoda; Amfisbhteite@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas milw gia to posa xrhmata xanontai. To eipa oso pio apla mporoysa na sas to pw. Sas diabasa analytikh katastash twn xrhmatwn poy xaqhkan to 2003.

KORAH: Se o,ti afora toys symbasioyxoys, qa antimetwpistoyn me toys idioys oroys, osoi exoyn oktw kai deka xronia, me aytoys poy exoyn kapoioys mhnes; Giati ta teleytaia stoixeia deixnoyn oti ginontan proslhceis kai epi twn dikwn sas hmerwn h qa yparjei mia diaforetikh antimetwpish;

ROYSOPOYLOS: As perimenoyme thn analytikh anakoinwsh toy sxedioy. Den qa ypeiselqw se kamia epimeroys -oso kai na einai endiaferoysa- apanthsh ayth th stigmh. Menei, omws, h arxikh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, h opoia exei epanalhfqei pleistakis apo thn Kyriakh kai meta: Oi ergazomenoi kai ta dikaiwmata toys qa diasfalistoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios edwse to dikaiwma se jenodoxo epixeirhmatia na bgalei deltio Typoy kai na emfanizei ton Prwqypoyrgo ws mesazonta, oti mesolabhse na gnwristei me ton Poytin kai na anaptyjei drasthriothtes sth Rwsia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Na to diereynhsw kai na sas pw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ton k. Stegko prokeitai. To exoyn gracei oles oi efhmerides. To esteile pantoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasa tis efhmerides. Den gnwrizw an yparxei tetoio deltio. Se kaqe periptwsh, den isxyei ayto poy anaferete, efoson anaferqhke etsi sto deltio Typoy.

ROYMELIWTHS: Eidame xqes analytika ti xrwsta h Olympiakh sto Dhmosio, sthn eforia k.t.l. Skopeyei h kybernhsh na dwsei sth dhmosiothta kai tis ofeiles pros thn Olympiakh, opws organismwn, ypoyrgeiwn. Dhladh, poioi exoyn ``feswsei'' thn Olympiakh ola ayta ta xronia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na eiste bebaioi oti otan proxwrhsei ayth h diadikasia, ola ta stoixeia qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta. Den qa yparjei tipota poy na meinei kryfo.

ROYMELIWTHS: Yparxei kapoio poso poy na exete ypoch sas ayth th stigmh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den mporw na apanthsw se ayto to eidiko erwthma.

SIDERHS: O k. Stegkos, me epistolh toy se efhmerida, dhlwse oti synexizetai h ependysh toy jenodoxeioy. Mhpws jerete an einai h idia ependysh h an mporeite na diereynhsete an einai h idia ependysh thn opoia h epikoinwniakh sas mhxanh proeklogika thn ekane pantiera gia na xtyphqei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qetete dyo qemata sthn erwthsh sas. Gia to men prwto, qa sas apanthsei to armodio ypoyrgeio. Opws katalabainete -to exw pei polles fores- edw den mporei na tiqetai h opoiadhpote erwthsh epi epimeroys qematwn kai na exete apanthsh. Se o,ti afora to deytero gia to xarakthrismo peri epikoinwniakhs mhxanhs: Eixame ena pragmatiko gegonos, to opoio sas qymizw odhghse ton nyn arxhgo toy PASOK sth diagrafh ennea h deka boyleytwn toy kommatos toy.

MIXAHL: To antartiko syndikalistwn ths Neas Dhmokratias synexizetai. O k. Poypakhs xqes, sas egkalei oti den kanete tipota gia na mhn kleinoyn epixeirhseis kai na menoyn anergoi ergazomenoi. Ti apantate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apantw oti einai eleyqerh h apoch toy kaqe syndikalisth.

MIXAHL: Epishs, o k. Kokkinoylhs epanerxetai, peran twn gnwstwn dhlwsewn, kai leei oti, anti na kaqomaste sto kafeneio kai na parakoloyqoyme tis ejelijeis, mhpws qa prepei na kateboyme sta Temph. Ayto sas problhmatizei kaqoloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

KORAH: Se o,ti afora ton kindyno na dhmioyrghqei ena monopwlio me to piqanon kleisimo ths Olympiakhs, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh; Den fobatai mhpws kathgorhqei oti taytizetai me sygkekrimena symferonta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Politeia -kai kaqe Politeia, idiaitera sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs- ofeilei na exei kanones ygioys antagwnismoy. Ofeilei, epishs, na elegxei ean throyntai aytoi oi kanones. Kai ayto, ayth h kybernhsh qa to kanei, opws to kanei kai se oloys toys alloys tomeis.

MIXAHL: Exete elegjei ean einai ontws kaqaroi oi oroi antagwnismoy ston tomea twn aerometaforwn sthn Ellada; Dioti, yparxoyn stoixeia poy emfanizontai siga-siga ston Typo, oti kai oi antagwnistes ths Olympiakhs exoyn terastia oikonomika problhmata. Kai den einai mono h Aegean, einai kai alles etaireies. Kata synepeia, eiste sigoyroi oti oi kanones einai oi katallhloi poy isxyoyn gia oloys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai diaforetika ta qemata poy qetete. Yparxei Epitroph Antagwnismoy, h opoia elegxei ean exoyme ygih antagwnismo, an throyntai oi kanones. Ayto einai to prwto. To deytero poy qetete einai gia thn oikonomikh katastash sygkekrimenwn etaireiwn. Bebaiws, ayto elegxetai apo toys armodioys foreis, apo tis armodies yphresies.

Sas eyxaristw.

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