Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-05-30

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Aqhna, 30 Maioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio stis 11:00 qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qema th symprajh toy dhmosioy kai toy idiwtikoy tomea. Stis 13:00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me toys ellhnikhs katagwghs dhmosiografoys poy ergazontai se jena Mesa Enhmerwshs.

Qa hqela na kanw mia syntomh anafora se ena qema, to opoio hdh gnwrizete apo thn Paraskeyh, me anakoinwsh poy ekane o Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Trofimwn k. Mpasiakos. Dikaiwqhkan oi kybernhtikes epiloges sto qema ths prostasias toy eisodhmatos twn bambakoparagwgwn, to opoio etsi ayjanetai shmantika, kaqws kai ths diaxeirishs twn elegxwn. H armodia epitroph ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, sth synedriash ths Paraskeyhs, apodexqhke plhrws ta prosqeta stoixeia ta opoia apesteile egkaira to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Trofimwn. Etsi epitygxanontai h diasfalish kai beltiwsh toy eisodhmatos twn bambakoparagwgwn, h katabolh epistrofhs synypeyqynothtas 38 drx. ana kilo -anti twn 23 drx. poy polles Kassandres elegan, enw h kybernhsh eixe safws milhsei gia 38 drx. apo thn arxh- gia oses posothtes paredwsan oi paragwgoi mexri 15/12/2004 kai 52 drx. ana kilo peripoy gia oses posothtes paredwsan meta tis 15/12/2004. Oi synolikes eisroes sth xwra mas gia ton tomea toy bambakos qa anelqoyn fetos sto ycos twn 727 ekatommyriwn eyrw. To poso ayto einai megalytero kai apo tis arxikes ektimhseis poy miloysan gia 710 ekatommyria eyrw poy einai oi megalyteres ths teleytaias trietias. Mesos oros ths teleytaias trietias einai ta 619 ekatommyria eyrw. Dhladh ayjhqhkan oi koinotikes eisroes sth xwra mas fetos, enanti toy mesoy oroy ths prohgoymenhs trietias kata 108 ekatommyria eyrw h 36,8 dis draxmes. Epishs, h plhrwmh twn paragwgwn egine nwritera apo kaqe allh xronia, prin apo to Pasxa. Se mia dyskolh xronia gia thn agrotikh paragwgh epitygxanontai shmantika apotelesmata poy wfeloyn toys Ellhnes agrotes, enw mpainei tajh sth diaxeirish toy bambakos. Gia mia akomh fora epanalambanw oti oi Kassandres diaceysthkan.

Exei ekdoqei deltio Typoy apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, to opoio anaferetai stis kataggelies poy exoyn ginei sth Dieyqynsh Katanalwth gia alles times, se orismena proionta, sto rafi kai alles times sto tameio. Sto plaisio twn taktikwn elegxwn poy dienergei h Grammateia Emporioy, diapistwqhke mia seira apo agoranomikes parabaseis, oi opoies anaferontai sto deltio Typoy. Meta apo aytes tis diapistwseis, me egkyklio ths Genikhs Grammateias Emporioy pros tis Nomarxies ths xwras, zhthqhke h entatikopoihsh twn sxetikwn agoranomikwn elegxwn se diafora super markets.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh mporei na bebaiwsei oti to kostos apo thn eqeloysia ejodo ston OTE kai apo th ryqmish poy qa akoloyqhsei gia thn antimetwpish toy asfalistikoy ths Emporikhs kai ths Agrotikhs, den qa metakylyqei stoys Ellhnes forologoymenoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh elabe mia gennaia apofash, me thn agasth synergasia -opws sas exw pei- twn ergazomenwn ths OME-OTE. Einai mia poly shmantikh apofash, dioti oysiastika anoigei neoys dromoys gia thn anaptyjh kai thn antagwnistikothta. Taytoxronws, kleinei dromoys oi opoioi odhgoysan mexri twra sthn wfeleia twn oligwn, twn ``retire''. H ajiopistia enos kratoys krinetai apo to pws xeirizetai tetoia megala qemata, ta opoia exei fortwqei ayth h kybernhsh apo to parelqon. Ta xeirizetai me tetoio tropo, wste na mhn yparxoyn anisokatanomes sto mellon -kanoyme mia kainoyria arxh, anoigoyme ena neo dromo, opws sas eipa- kai na kleisoyn me ton kalytero dynato tropo ta problhmata toy parelqontos. Aytoi oi opoioi bohqhsan, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghqoyn oi anisothtes aytes kai ta ``retire'', einai gnwsto poioi einai. Qa toys anazhthsete se alles kybernhseis. H shmerinh kybernhsh, omws, se ayto to plaisio poy sas eipa, ofeile na brei lysh. Kai th brhke ayth th lysh. Den qa yparxei epibarynsh twn politwn sto mellon, antistoixh me ayth poy yphrxe ews shmera. Ews shmera yphrxe epibarynsh yper twn ``retire'', yphrxe anisothta metajy ergazomenwn kai ergazomenwn, syntajioyxwn kai syntajioyxwn. Ta problhmata omws prepei na lynontai, etsi wste to kratos na apokta ajiopistia.

KORAH: Den moy apanthsate omws sto erwthma.

SIDERHS: Ayto qa pw ki egw, den apanthsate sto erwthma ths synadelfoy. Ayth th fora, ti qa ginei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa dhmioyrghqei, opws sas eipa, enas neos dromos yper twn ergazomenwn, yper toy Organismoy, yper ths eqnikhs oikonomias.

SIDERHS: Poios ``qa plhrwsei to marmaro'' rwtame.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An mename sth logikh toy parelqontos, esaei ``to marmaro'' qa plhrwnan oi Ellhnes polites, opws kanoyn twra. Ean loipon afhname na dhmioyrgoyntai katastaseis -tis opoies bohqhse na dhmioyrghqoyn h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, tote qa antimetwpizame to problhma gia polles dekaeties. Emeis den to afhsame. To antimetwpisame, to lynoyme. Kai parallhlws sas lew oti to kratos ofeilei na diathrhsei mia ajiopistia apenanti sta osa exoyn symbei sto parelqon kai aforoyn toys ergazomenoys. Qa htan ena kratos analghto, ean den skeftotan me ayto to ditto tropo, ena kratos anapotelesmatiko, ean den prospaqoyse na brei lysh se ena meizon problhma.

SIDERHS: Kai kati allo: O kyriarxos gallikos laos apofasise gia to eyrwsyntagma. Sthn Ellada egine me taxyryqmes diadikasies. Briskete na yparxei ena dhmokratiko elleimma sth xwra mas; Oxi se typiko epipedo, se oysiastiko, politiko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Monon ean dexqei kaneis, symfwna me thn apoch sas, oti den leitoyrgei swsta h Koinoboyleytikh Dhmokratia mas. Exoyme Koinoboyleytikh Dhmokratia, to Koinoboylio leitoyrgei, ekproswpoyntai ekei oles oi shmantikes ideologikes taseis twn politikwn reymatwn sth xwra. To gegonos oti exoyme ena Koinoboylio to opoio apofasise -kai malista me syntriptikh pleiochfia- dinei apanthsh sto erwthma sas.

BLAXOS: To gegonos oti bgainoyn aytoi oi ypallhloi ston OTE kai me dedomenh thn apofash ths kybernhshs na proxwrhsei sthn idia logikh twn metarryqmisewn kai se alloys tomeis, ayto shmainei oti ta osa phran oi ypallhloi toy OTE einai h bash, dhladh kai an symbei to idio se alloys organismoys, se alles trapezes, qa exoyn ta idia pleonekthmata. Etsi den einai; Tis idies xrhmatikes apolabes, ola qa einai idia me ayta poy exoyn toy OTE. Einai etsi h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa thn perasmenh Pempth sto erwthma sas, legontas oti ayto poy antimetwpizoyme twra einai h ypoqesh toy OTE. Den yparxei kapoioy eidoys skech, h opoia na anaferetai se alles DEKO. Den exw kati na sas anakoinwsw twra. Ypoqetika den mporw na apanthsw gia to mellon.

KAKALHS: Kai sth Gallia exoyn Koinoboyleytikh Dhmokratia, alla proxwrhsan se dhmochfisma kai to dhmochfisma twn Gallwn katelhje oti h symfwnia twn hgesiwn twn kommatwn, den synepagetai kai symfwnia toy laoy sto Eyrwsyntagma. Sta kaq` hmas, h kybernhsh den einai ekqeth poy sterhse apo ton ellhniko lao to dikaiwma na apofanqei yper toy dhmochfismatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy sas gia to ean exei problhma h Dhmokratia mas, legontas oti h Koinoboyleytikh Dhmokratia leitoyrgei. Kata ta loipa, yparxei dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to dhmochfisma sth Gallia. Sas parapempw s` aythn.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sth ryqmish poy prowqei h kybernhsh gia ton OTE, h kybernhsh dinei thn entypwsh oti den leei sto lao olh thn alhqeia. Epi treis hmeres kaleiste na prosdiorisete to ycos, to kostos poy qa katabalei to Dhmosio gi` ayth th ryqmish kai den to kanete. Giati den to kanete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti qa ginoyn sxetikes anakoinwseis apo ton OTE. Wstoso, epeidh blepw oti einai h trith kata seira erwthsh poy asxoleitai me to idio qema, qa moy epitrecete na ginw ligo pio analytikos se orismena pragmata. Exoyme mia seira problhmatwn ta opoia dhmioyrghqhkan me kyriarxo, opws sas eipa, to zhthma twn retire. Yphrxe, dhladh, mia politikh opoy kapoioi prowqhsan ta retire. Emeis den ekproswpoyme ayth thn politikh. Eixe, loipon, h kybernhsh na antimetwpisei ena dilhmma: @H apaj dia pantos kai gia to parelqon na lysei to problhma h na lysei to problhma apo edw kai sto ejhs. Ean proxwroysame, apantwntas qetika sto prwto erwthma toy dilhmmatos, tote antilambaneste oti to kratos den qa eixe kamia ajiopistia apenanti se ergazomenoys, oi opoioi epi seiran etwn ergazontai me diaforetikes synqhkes. Qa htan, dhladh, mia logikh h opoia oxi monon ekfeygei ths dikhs mas politikhs, alla kai den sthrizetai se epixeirhmata. Etsi, loipon, apofasisame na apanthsoyme sto dilhmma, legontas oti apo edw kai pera qa frontisoyme na mh dhmioyrgoyntai tetoioy eidoys retire. Qa frontisoyme na lyqoyn ta problhmata se ofelos twn ergazomenwn, se ofelos ths epixeirhshs, se ofelos, en telei, ths eqnikhs oikonomias. Den einai kaqoloy tyxaio oti to 77% twn ergazomenwn ths OME-OTE taxqhkan yper aytwn twn lysewn. Einai, loipon, mia ditth politikh -opws eipa kai prohgoymenws- poy sebetai toys ergazomenoys. Epishs, sebetai kai ta xrhmata toy Ellhna polith ta opoia den prepei na spatalwntai. Qesame mia teleia kai kanoyme mia kainoyrgia arxh sthn ypoqesh toy OTE. Kai ayth h kainoyrgia arxh eimaste bebaioi oti qa bohqhsei kai ton ergazomeno toy OTE kai ton idio ton OTE, ws epixeirhsh, alla kai thn eqnikh oikonomia.

GKOYTZANHS: Kat` arxhn, dinetai h entypwsh oti me ayth th ryqmish ths pronomiakhs eqeloysias ejodoy eynoeitai ena retire apo ayta poy katadikazete. Alla, to erwthma einai giati afoy einai enas idiwtikopoihmenos Organismos o OTE na mhn katablhqei to kostos apo ekeinoys poy symmetexoyn kai to kratos, analoga me th symmetoxh toy. Giati, ayto to kostos na metaferqei sto koinwniko synolo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ena kostos, to opoio profanws jexnate oti metaferotan diarkws epi xronia kai qa synexizotan na metaferetai sto koinwniko synolo. Ara, loipon, to erwthma einai: Ofeile kaneis na afhsei ayth thn katastash ws exei kai na metaferei sto dihnekes, sta paidia kai sta eggonia mas ayto to kostos; @H ofeile na brei mia lysh poy na sebetai ergazomenoys dekaetiwn; Pisteyw oti h apanthsh kaqe logikoy anqrwpoy -oxi mono mias kybernhshs- brisketai se ayth th lysh thn opoia prowqhse h kybernhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Sas edwsa mia allh lysh, h opoia den einai dikh moy bebaia, einai@

TSIODRAS: Milhsate gia retire kai anaferqhkate sth synexeia sth symfwnia sto kata 77% ths OME-OTE sth sygkekrimenh lysh. Ara, loipon, lete gia retire, omws ayta ta retire symfwnoyn sth lysh poy dinetai shmera apo thn kybernhsh. Den yparxei mia antifash se ayto; Pws dhladh milate gia retire kai thn idia stigmh ta epibrabeyete me mia sygkekrimenh lysh thn opoia kaloyntai na plhrwsoyn oi ypoloipoi ergazomenoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epibrabeysh qa htan ean synexizotan ayth h katastash sto mellon. Otan blepei kaneis oti exei dhmioyrghqei ena problhma, to na kanei oti den to katalabainei einai mia politikh, thn opoia eidame ws politikh proseggish polles fores sto prosfato parelqon sth xwra mas. To na katalabei to problhma kai na dwsei lysh se baqos, na dwsei lysh dia pantos sto mellon einai mia allh politikh me kapoio kostos. Ayth thn politikh, loipon, me to opoio kostos, ekfrazei h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, giati dinei lyseis. Apallassei toys Ellhnes polites apo problhmata poy einai sysswreymena epi seira etwn kai apo problhmata poy qa sysswreyontan sto mellon. Prepei kaneis sthn politikh na problepei me strathgikh kai safhneia to ti mporei na symbei sto mellon. Ayto kaname.

KYRITSHS: Kanate makroskeles sxolio, sxetika me ton OTE kai eipate oti exei kai strathgikh diastash. Par` ola ayta ejakoloyqeite na mhn mas exete pei to kostos. Giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws. Eipa oti oi opoies anafores sta oikonomika qa ginoyn eite apo ton OTE, eite apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

KYRITSHS: Ma, epeidh lete oti einai strathgikhs shmasias. Mias kai einai strathgikhs shmasias den jerete to kostos eseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Strathgikhs shmasias einai h diarqrwtikh allagh. Kai sas thn ejhghsa politika eparkws, giati einai strathgikhs shmasias. Kai sas lew oti sto mellon qa pacoyn na epibarynontai oloi oi Ellhnes polites, opws epibarynontan ews twra kai opws qa epibarynontan ean synexizotan ayth h katastash. Ean zhtate enan ariqmo, qa ton exete apo armodioteroys apo emena.

XONDROS: Yparxei mia aisqhsh oti h kybernhsh biazetai kai biazetai para poly na dwsei lysh sto Asfalistiko twn Trapezwn. Kata poson isxyei oti eiste etoimoi na ferete nomoqetikh ryqmish, endexomenws kai mesa sthn ebdomada, kai xwris na ejantlhsete ta periqwria dialogoy me toys ergazomenoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anaferete ena allo poly megalo problhma to opoio, opws gnwrizete poly kala oloi sas, ean to eixe antimetwpisei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh me toys nomoys poy hdh yphrxan -an, dhladh, eixe xrhsimopoihsei ws ofeile na kanei toys nomoys- den qa eixe dhmioyrghqei. Einai ena akomh problhma poy to klhronomhsame. Gnwrizete oti yparxei dialogos se ejelijh. Ekana sxetikh dhlwsh thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Otan oloklhrwqei o dialogos qa ginoyn oi sxetikes anakoinwseis.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prohgoymenws milhsate gia logikh kai logikoys anqrwpoys kai kataggeilate ta retire. Pio wraio retire apo to na eisai 49 xronwn ypallhlos toy OTE, na pairneis gyrw sta 30 ekatommyria sthn tseph zesta, na phgaineis spiti soy, na pairneis th syntajh soy kala-kala kai na briskeis kai allh doyleia. Ayto den einai retire; Ayto den dhmioyrgeite eseis; Egw den exw katalabei ena pragma: Giati to kanete olo ayto to pragma, giati ginetai olh ayth h istoria, dhladh ti qa prosferei kai ti qa kerdisei o OTE apo ayth thn istoria; Den exw katalabei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yphrxan toylaxiston dyo akomh prooptikes. H mia prooptikh qa htan na meinei to pragma ws exei, poy shmainei oti oi Ellhnes polites qa plhrwnan sto dihnekes. H deyterh prooptikh htan na meinei to pragma ws exei kai pali, poy shmainei oti yphrxe piqanothta enas Organismos mh antagwnistikos se ena periballon idiaiterws antagwnistiko na odhghqei kapoia stigmh se marasmo, giati opws gnwrizete tis yphresies poy parexei o OTE, tis parexoyn pleon kai oi idiwtikes epixeirhseis. Den qelame, loipon, oyte sto marasmo na odhghqei o OTE, ejaitias lanqasmenwn epilogwn toy parelqontos, yperfortwsh proswpikoy, oxi eyeliktwn diadikasiwn. Alla qelame na ginei enas Organismos antagwnistikos, enas Organismos eyeliktos. Kaqe sobarh kybernhsh kai kaqe sobarh epixeirhsh qa prepei na leitoyrgoyn me tetoioy eidoys krithria. Ayto, opws gnwrizete poly kala, symbainei kai ston idiwtiko tomea. Ayto symbainei kai se alles xwres. Shmasia exei na mh ginei to paradeigma ths ERT, opoy enw eixame eqeloysia ejodo prin apo pente xronia -peripoy 1300 ergazomenoi efygan- ayth h eqeloysia ejodos den plhrwqhke tote apo thn ERT, arxise na plhrwnetai apo to 2005, me pente xronia kaqysterhsh. Ayto poy leme dhladh oti synexws meteqetan ta problhmata sto mellon kai stis plates toy Ellhna polith. Sto metajy diasthma, opws exw hdh pei kai se armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs, eginan mia seira proslhcewn, oi opoies yperebainan se ariqmo ton ariqmo aytwn poy efygan me eqeloysia. Milw gia proslhceis symbasioyxwn. Kai dhmioyrghqhke ena deytero problhma: ayto twn symbasioyxwn, to opoio h shmerinh kybernhsh eklhqh na lysei, giati h prohgoymenh para tis opoies pieseis apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph den to elyne se kamia periptwsh. Ara, loipon, einai poly shmantiko sthn politikh na problepei kaneis ti qa ginei sto mellon. Einai poly shmantiko na threi mia strathgikh, opws eipa prohgoymenws. Na exei ajiopistia to kratos kai na prospaqei tis epixeirhseis ekeines poy einai epixeirhseis toy eyryteroy Dhmosioy Tomea, alla leitoyrgoyn se ena entelws antagwnistiko periballon, na tis bohqaei me qesmiko tropo, wste na mporesoyn na ejygianqoyn plhrws. Na einai kai aytes antagwnistikes. Alliws, epi xronia oloklhra, qa fortwnetai o Ellhnas poliths sthn plath toy ayta ta opoia apokalesate retire. Einai protimotero, loipon na parei kaneis mia apofash shmera, opws ayth poy elhfqh, para na afhsei na thn plhrwnoyn synexws oi Ellhnes polites sto mellon. An sas rwtoysa ti qa qelate, na plhrwsete mia kai kalh ena alfa poson gia opoiodhpote qema poy qa elyne ena problhma sas h na to afhnete sto mellon kai na to plhrwnete gia ta epomena pente, deka, dekapente xronia, nomizw oti ki eseis qa protimoysate thn prwth lysh.

BLAXOS: Ejygiansh gia na ton poylhsete ton OTE; Ayto einai; Gia na mpoyn idiwtika kefalaia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete ston OTE yparxoyn idiwtika kefalaia.

BLAXOS: Kai na paei to manatzment se idiwtes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy dinete mia kalh eykairia na sas qymisw pali qeseis poy exei parei h Nea Dhmokratia, edw kai polla xronia. Na sas qymisw oti gyrw apo ton OTE eixe paixqei mia oloklhrh epikoinwniakhs politikhs strathgikh toy PASOK, h opoia elege oti o OTE qa prepei na parameinei Dhmosia Epixeirhsh, mia metoxh ston ellhniko lao, ston Ellhna polith. Ayth h strathgikh odhghse shmera sto na exei plhrwsei o Ellhnas poliths polla perissotera kai na exei parei poly ligotera. Ayto, loipon, to stamatame.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kanate xrhsh toy oroy ``retire'' poy parempiptontws to xrhsimopoioyn kai stelexh toy kommatos sas gia na kanoyn, omws, kritikh sthn epilogh ths kybernhshs na proxwrhsei se eqeloysia ejodo. Fernw to paradeigma ths k. Mpakogiannh, exete gnwsh twn antirrhsewn poy exei diatypwsei o k. Mhtsotakhs. Qa hqela, loipon, ena sxolio ep` aytoy. Qa hqela, dhladh, na moy peite giati h kybernhsh ebale sto idio paketo thn eqeloysia ejodo twn nyn ergazomenwn ston OTE me th morfh ths ergasiakhs sxeshs poy qa synacoyn oi neoproslambanomenoi ston OTE;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite ebale sto idio paketo; Yparxei mia politikh h opoia sas epejhghqhke epi seira hmerwn kai thn opoia eixa thn eykairia na epanalabw shmera me poly analytiko tropo. Otan prospaqeis na baleis teleia kai na anoijeis ena neo kefalaio @kai ayto symbainei ston OTE - ekeino poy kaneis einai na lambaneis apofaseis. Kapoia stigmh eprepe na lhfqei mia apofash kai oxi na metatiqetai diarkws sto mellon to problhma.

SARANTAKOS: Sas parakoloyqw stis apanthseis sas poy aforoyn sto qema toy OTE. Xrhsimopoieite enan epiqetiko logo. Milate gia ``retire'', oti bazei h kybernhsh mia teleia kai anoigei ena neo kefalaio. Stamatate, omws, mono ston OTE. Apo ayto na symperanw oti ``retire'' sth DEH, sthn EYDAP h gia na xrhsimopoihsw to oikeio se sas paradeigma ths ERT, den yparxoyn; @H kai an yparxoyn, ti qa kanete gi` ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei. Apanthsa kai thn perasmenh Pempth.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh milhsate gia antagwnistiko OTE, h antagwnistikothta toy OTE qa enisxyqei ean den plhrwsei tipota apo to 1,5 dis. peripoy eyrw poy stoixizei ayto to programma. Einai etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite na kanei apolyseis kai na meinoyn sto dromo kapoies xiliades ergazomenwn; Oxi. Den to exei pei pote ayth h kybernhsh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Oxi, ennow gia to poios qa plhrwsei. Dioti, mexri twra, den exoyme akoysei kati oloklhrwmeno ep` aytoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh milhsate gia antagwnistiko OTE. Antagwnistikos qa einai kai perissotero akomh, o OTE, ean den epibarynqei kaqoloy kostos apo to programma poy symfwnhsate me toys ergazomenoys, na proxwrhsete me thn eqeloysia ejodo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean me ayto proteinete na apolyqoyn 4.000 h 5.000 ergazomenoi -tosoi einai aytoi poy qa fygoyn me thn eqeloysia- kai na breqoyn sto dromo, qa sas pw oti den einai sto plaisio ths dikhs mas politikhs. Rwteiste alles kybernhseis.

SIDERHS: Milate synexeia gia antagwnistiko periballon. Eseis to noqeyete. Opoiadhpote allh etaireia poy exei antikeimeno to antikeimeno toy OTE kai eixe eqeloysia ejodo qa plhrwne h idia toys ergazomenoys na fygoyn. Edw metakylyete sto koinwniko synolo. Poia antagwnistikothta loipon;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milate ws an na gennhqhke to kratos xqes h molis shmera to prwi. Exei ligo palaioterh istoria.

POYLIDOY: O Epitropos ths xwras eipe proxqes dyo pedia parejhghsewn poy mporei na dhmioyrghqoyn, ejaitias ayths ths symfwnias. To ena exei na kanei me to kostos na mhn eklhfqei ws emmesh epidothsh toy kratoys kai to deytero exei na kanei me thn anhsyxia poy mporei na diatypwqei oti qa yperfortwqei to elleimma. Qelw na rwthsw, ean kata tis plhrofories sas aytes oi dyo anhsyxies exoyn apanthqei ikanopoihtika apo th dioikhsh toy OTE.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me erwthsh poy eixate qesei thn prohgoymenh Pempth, apanthsa gia tis epafes poy exei o k. Boyrloymhs me thn Komision. Gia kat` arxhn apodoxh toy sxedioy htan to prwto poy syzhthsan. Bebaiws, ayto poy menei -opws sas eipa kai ekeinh thn hmera- einai h oloklhrwmenh syzhthsh, pleon, epi toy sxedioy poy exoyn katalhjei dioikhsh kai ergazomenoi.

KORAH: Yparxei kat` arxhn apodoxh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai gia th ryqmish poy qa prowqhqei gia to asfalistiko twn trapezwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean exei ginei tetoia syzhthsh. Mporw na enhmerwqw kai na sas pw. Allwste, oi syzhthseis gia to asfalistiko twn trapezwn einai akomh se epipedo twn koinwnikwn etairwn, twn endiaferomenwn dhladh, sthn Ellada. Den gnwrizw ean exei proxwrhsei h syzhthsh peraiterw.

KORAH: H kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei th ryqmish gia to asfalistiko th Agrotikhs kai ths Emporikhs, exei den exei th synainesh twn ergazomenwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi syzhthseis gia to asfalistiko aforoyn oles tis trapezes. Kata synepeia, isws yparxei mia emmesh apanthsh sto prohgoymeno erwthma sas, giati otan den dhmioyrgeis tetoia diakrish sthn agora, isws den exeis problhmata me toys kanones ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

XIWTHS: Ta idia epixeirhmata poy epikaleiste gia thn periptwsh toy OTE ws pros thn ejafanish toy fainomenoy toy ``retire'', isxyoyn kai gia to asfalistiko twn trapezwn; Dioti, ean qymamai kala kai ws antipoliteysh h Nea Dhmokratia kathggeile ayto ton klado oti kerdoskopei. Eixate parei epaneilhmmenes prwtoboylies gia th ryqmish twn fainomenwn twn panwtokiwn, poy htan ena fainomeno kaqara trapeziko, kai twra erxeste pali na epibrabeysete ena allo ``retire'', mia allh kathgoria ergazomenwn, poy an mh ti allo einai kerdofora.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H epibrabeysh einai sth synexish enos fainomenoy. Otan to fainomeno stamata na yfistatai, tote oxi mono den yparxei epibrabeysh, alla yparxei teleiws diaforetikh proseggish. Bebaiws, eixe milhsei h Nea Dhmokratia, opws eipate, sto parelqon antistoixws gia diafora ``retire''. Kai ayto isxyei.

XIWTHS: H aporia moy einai h ejhs: Qewreite oti oi trapezes exoyn thn anagkh kratikhs xrhmatodothshs gia na meinoyn biwsimes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti yparxei mia syzhthsh se ejelijh. Otan oloklhrwqei ayth h syzhthsh, qa eimai se qesh na sas dwsw poly perissotera stoixeia. Kata synepeia, opoiadhpote dikh moy anafora twra sto qema ayto, den qa bohqhsei.

GKOYTZANHS: Giati h kybernhsh den exei dwsei sth dhmosiothta ayth th symfwnia gia ton OTE; Pws qa topoqethqoyn oi ypoloipoi kai pws qa epidiwjete synainesh otan den exete dwsei ta stoixeia ayths ths symfwnias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan lete ``oi ypoloipoi'' poioi ennoeite;

GKOYTZANHS: Politika kommata, ektos apo to syndikato toy OTE h GSEE poy toys kataggellei kiolas, to synolo twn ergazomenwn poy lene oti ``phran 30 argyria gia na poylhsoyn ton klado'', diaforoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H syntriptikh pleiochfia twn ergazomenwn toy OTE, opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, exei symfwnhsei me th dioikhsh. Exei proxwrhsei ayth h diadikasia . Eixa thn eykairia na sygxarw ek meroys ths kybernhshs kai toys ergazomenoys gia to oti synainesan sto na breqei mia lysh, h opoia qa bohqhsei kai ton Organismo kai toys ergazomenoys.

Ean exete na peite kati k. Siderh, peran enos eirwnikoy xamogeloy, parakalw peite to.

SIDERHS: Den htan eirwniko to xamogelo kai den htan pros esas. Alla htan eynohto to oti xamogelasa enstiktwdws, otan epikaleiste to oti oi ergazomenoi symfwnhsan. E, otan toys xrysoplhrwnete, qa symfwnhsoyn. Einai logiko!

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean den eixan symfwnhsei oi ergazomenoi eimai bebaios oti me thn idia parrhsia poy sas diakrinei qa moy kanate erwthseis, giati, enw eixame pei oti qa synainesoyme stis politikes mas me toys ergazomenoys, proxwrhsame monoi mas. Kanw laqos;

SIDERHS: Kaqoloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy to legate loipon. Ara, oyte kryo, oyte zesth.

SIDERHS: Ma, h doyleia olwn mas edw einai na bazoyme to daktylo epi twn typwn twn hlwn, sta kakws keimena.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den amfisbhtw th doyleia sas. Ekeino to opoio sas lew einai oti ta logika epixeirhmata qa sygkroystoyn me logika almata h me almata logikhs. Egw, loipon, blepw oti oyte h mia lysh einai aresth, oyte h allh, symfwna me tis erwthseis sas. En pash periptwsei, den exei kai toso megalh shmasia na synexisoyme ayth th syzhthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Exei k. Ekproswpe, giati paroysiazete ayth th symfwnia san na einai monodromos, enw den einai.

SIDERHS: Ean plhrwne o OTE, den qa yphrxan aytes oi erwthseis edw.

TSIODRAS: Ep` aytoy. Ginetai syzhthsh gia to asfalistiko. Milame gia tis prowres syntajiodothseis, gia to problhma to opoio yparxei kai to opoio den antimetwpizetai logw ths xamhlhs analogias ergazomenwn-syntajioyxwn k.t.l. Pws, loipon, eisprattei h koinwnia ayth th syzhthsh kai to synolo twn ergazomenwn, otan syzhtoyntai -den lew paratash toy xronoy ergasias, alla- perikopes se ayto poy legame mexri twra ``prowres syntajiodothseis'' kai blepei ayth th stigmh alloys ergazomenoys, toys opoioys eseis xarakthrizete ``retire'' na feygoyn apo thn yphresia toys se hlikies poly xamhloteres apo o,ti feygoyn oi ypoloipoi ergazomenoi kai ameibomenoi paxyla. Poio einai to mhnyma poy stelnete sthn koinwnia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To mhnyma poy stelnoyme einai oti briskoyme lyseis sta problhmata. Ean akoloyqoysame th logikh, h opoia ypokryptetai pisw apo thn erwthsh pollwn ek twn synadelfwn sas -kai pros Qeoy den einai aixmh ayto, alla einai h doyleia poy kanete- tote qa odhgoymaste me maqhmatikh akribeia se enan OTE poy kapoia stigmh poy qa kindyneye na kleisei, enan OTE poy den qa htan antagwnistikos. Ara, loipon, kapoia idiwtika symferonta qa mporoysan na alwsoyn thn agora se poly megalo baqmo kai na mhn exoyme pleon kanenos eidoys ejisorrophtikoys kanones se aythn. Eixame, loipon, aytoy toy eidoys ta erwthmata na apanthsoyme: @H afhneis mia katastash opws exei -opws ekanan polloi prohgoymenoi dhmioyrgwntas diarkws anisothtes metajy twn ergazomenwn, anisothtes metajy twn syntajioyxwn, problhmata se mia epixeirhsh kai th diarkh anagkh toy kratoys na aimodotei thn epixeirhsh, alliws xiliades ergazomenoi qa emenan stoys dromoys- h qa eprepe na broyme mia lysh twra. Kai emeis brhkame mia lysh twra. Den afhsame tipota na parapemfqei sto mellon, tipota na parapemfqei se kapoioys alloys. Giati aytoi oi alloi den einai para ta paidia mas.

TSIODRAS: Giati, loipon, einai h monadikh lysh poy qa mporoyse na epilegei ayth h sygkekrimenh poy katalhfqhke anamesa stoys ergazomenoys -poy den exoyn bebaiws kanena logo na einai antiqetoi- kai sth dioikhsh kai den qa mporoyse me mia lysh, h opoia qa dhmioyrgoyse isws problhmata me kapoioys apo toys ergazomenoys ston OTE, alla den qa epibaryne omws toys ypoloipoys ergazomenoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati kriqhke ws h pleon logikh kai h pleon symferoysa lysh gia toys ergazomenoys, gia ton Organismo kai gia thn eqnikh oikonomia. Opoiadhpote allh lysh qa patoyse se ena eterobares systhma gia ton ena ek twn triwn polwn poy anefera.

KAKALHS: To epomeno bhma meta apo ayth thn ``ejygiansh'' toy OTE, einai h ekxwrhsh se strathgiko ependyth; Kai deyteron, pws sxoliazete th synainesh poy prosfere o Proedros toy PASOK se ayth th symfwnia ston OTE;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw kapoio sxolio gia th synainesh toy Proedroy toy PASOK sthn opoia anaferqhkate. Sto prwto erwthma sas, exw hdh apanthsei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge exw dyo syntoma erwthmata: Prwton, ayth th stigmh yparxei mia entonh kinhtikothta gia to Kypriako. O Ekproswpos toy Genikoy Grammatea brisketai sth Leykwsia, qa synanthqei me ton Proedro k. Papadopoylo kai ton k. Talat kai sth synexeia qa episkeftei Aqhna kai Agkyra. Pisteyete oti ayth h kinhtikothta odhgei sto anoigma toy dialogoy; Briskomaste dhladh paramones enos dialogoy poy mporei na odhghsei sth lysh toy Kypriakoy; To deytero erwthma afora to oxi twn Gallwn pisteyete oti qa ephreasei thn entajiakh poreia ths Toyrkias ton erxomeno Oktwbrh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se oti afora sto prwto poy anaferete gia to Kypriako kai thn kinhtikothta einai dedomenh h qesh mas gia thn ejeyresh mias biwsimhs kai dikaihs lyshs me stoxo thn epanenwsh toy nhsioy. H opoia prwtoboylia lambanetai ayth thn periodo qa prepei na synodeyetai apo thn analogh proetoimasia etsi wste na yparjoyn ta exeggya gia thn epityxh, ayth th fora, katalhjh opoias prospaqeias endexetai na jekinhsei meta thn kinhtikothta thn opoia ki eseis diapistwsate. Qewroyme oti twra briskomaste se ena stadio proetoimasias. Kata synepeia, den qa hqela na milhsw gia qetiko h arnhtiko klima. Qetiko einai na yparxei ayth h syzhthsh. Elpizw na proxwrhsei me bash ta osa sas eipa prohgoymenws. Se oti afora th deyterh erwthsh sas gia to dhmochfisma sth Gallia kai tis opoies epiptwseis toy: Gnwrizete oti yparxei mia apofash ths 17hs Dekembrioy toy 2004 h opoia anaferotan sthn enarjh entajiakwn diapragmateysewn ths Toyrkias ton erxomeno Oktwbrio.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kai h anagnwrish ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias (den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws. Den exei allajei tipota ap` ayto.

GKOYTZANHS: Enas apo toys logoys gia toys opoioys oi Galloi chfisan ayto to dynato oxi einai logw ths piqanhs mellontikhs entajhs ths Toyrkias sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Oi Ollandoi qa chfisoyn kai aytoi oxi kai enas apo toys logoys qa einai aytos. Epishs polloi eyrwpaikoi laoi qa chfizan h ekfrazontai arnhtika gia thn entajiakh prooptikh ths Toyrkias. H ellhnikh kybernhsh mhpws arxizei na epanejetazei th stash ths mias kai brisketai se dysarmonia toylaxiston me toys eyrwpaioys polites; Kai ena deytero erwthma an moy epitrepete. Mhpws skeptetai na qesei kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh se dhmochfisma thn entajh ths Toyrkias sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto deytero erwthma sas, h apanthsh einai oxi. Den exei teqei kan o problhmatismos. Sto prwto to opoio anaferate qelw aplws na sas qymisw oti stis 16 Ioynioy 2005 ginetai h Synodos Koryfhs kai ekei qa ektimhqoyn ta nea dedomena.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Sto prohgoymeno erwthma: Pote h kybernhsh qa kataqesei thn tropologia sth Boylh gia th symfwnia ston OTE;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw ayto. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

IWANNOY: Yparxei mia sobarh kataggelia shmera me erwthsh boyleytwn toy PASOK, oti sto Ypoyrgeio Amynas yparxei enas mhxanismos lhchs fwtografiwn ergazomenwn -toylaxiston ayto kataggellei o k. Karximakhs- kai o opoios mhxanismos synodeyetai apo kapoio erwthmatologio me nai h oxi sto erwthma ths ideologikhs topoqethshs twn ergazomenwn aytwn. Dhladh erwtwntai ean anhkoyn sth Nea Dhmokratia h an anhkoyn se alloys ideologikoys xwroys. To erwthma moy einai ean to gnwrizete ayto kai an qa zhthsete na diereynhqei ayth h ypoqesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Threitai h koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Qa moy epitrecete na eimai arketa epifylaktikos sta osa erwtwntai polles fores sth Boylh. Den qa anaferqw se synadelfo boyleyth toy opoioydhpote kommatos, wstoso eimai poly epifylaktikos giati exw diapistwsei oti diafores kataggelies poy exoyn ginei kata kairoys emeinan mono kataggelies me polla eisagwgika.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Dyo kaqhghtes oi kyrioi Ananikas kai Zaxopoylos, bohqhsan thn k. Natassa Pazaith @ Karamanlh gia to didaktoriko ths kai gia thn opoia bohqeia h syzygos toy Prwqypoyrgoy toys eyxaristhse dhmosiws. Oi dyo aytoi kaqhghtes exoyn topoqethqei se qesh Genikwn Grammatewn sthn kybernhsh, se dyo Ypoyrgeia. Prokeitai peri aplhs symptwshs h einai peripoy mia antamoibh gia ayth th bohqeia poy ths proseferan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Aporriptw diarrhdhn to deytero to opoio ypokryptei kakentrexeia.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Mhpws yparxei qema hqikhs tajhs omws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi den yparxei kanena qema.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Sas to lew ayto, giati kai mia trith kaqhghtria, h k. Gkimpa, topoqethqhke kai ayth se ypeyqynh kratikh qesh, ypeyqynh toy Idrymatos Kratikwn Ypotrofiwn kai h opoia htan ypeyqynh gia th diatribh ths k. Karamanlh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Agaphte moy eimaste mikros topos kai sas diabebaiw oti gnwrizomaste poly kala oloi metajy mas.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos skeptetai syntoma na kanei eqeloysia ejodo Ypoyrgwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean anafereste se qema anasxhmatismoy, isxyei h dhlwsh poy exw kanei polles fores se ayth edw thn aiqoysa.

XIWTHS: An kwdikopoihsw tis apanthseis poy exete dwsei gia ton anasxhmatismo, den einai oles to idio. Exete pei prwton oti @.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw pei staqera oti ayto einai mia ypoqesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Staqera ayth einai h apanthsh poy sas dinw. Malista thn prwth fora poy sas thn edwsa parajeneythkate legontas oti kati allo einai, se sxesh me ayto poy elegan prohgoymenoi ekproswpoi allwn kybernhsewn. Exei allwste milhsei kai o Prwqypoyrgos dhmosiws gi` ayto to qema. Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero.

XIWTHS: Ara anaireite tis prohgoymenes dhlwseis poy elegan prwton oti o anasxhmatismos kapoia stigmh qa ginei kai deyteron oti otan ginei qa leme emeis oi dhmosiografoi wdinen oros kai eteken myn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poqen prokyptei oti tis anairw; Sas eipa oti isxyei oti exw pei kata kairoys s` ayth thn aiqoysa.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos skeptetai na kalesei sto Megaro Majimoy kai na sygxarei ton k. Kokalh kai thn omada toy Olympiakoy poy kerdisan to ntampl;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se paneyrwpaikes diakriseis kai se alles diakriseis yparxoyn shmantikes prwtoboylies, oi opoies anaferontai se tetoioy eidoys energeies. Oi diakriseis einai panta shmantikes kai prepei kanenas na sygxairei dhmosiws aytoys poy tis epitygxanoyn. Stoys paiktes loipon ths omados ofeiloyme na dwsoyme sygxarhthria. Bebaiws, ofeiloyme na dwsoyme sygxarhthria se oloys ekeinoys toys Ellhnes poy diakrinontai se kaqe tomea, ana th gh.

BLAXOS: Eiste Olympiakos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei se palaiotero erwthma sas!

Sas eyxaristw.

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