Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-04-14

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Aqhna, 14 Aprilioy 2005

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei ayrio sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs sxetika me thn kyrwsh ths Synqhkhs gia th qespish toy Syntagmatos ths Eyrwphs.

Ek meroys ths kybernhshs qa hqela na ekfrasw sygxarhthria stoys foithtes gia thn ayjhmenh kata 7% -se sxesh me perysi- symmetoxh toys, stis xqesines foithtikes ekloges. To gegonos ayto apodeiknyei oti oi nees kai oi neoi symmetexoyn energa sthn politikh diadikasia kai diekdikoyn ta dikaiwmata toys. Dhmokratia, panw ap` ola shmainei symmetoxh sta koina kai oi foithtes sthn pleiochfia toys dinoyn to kalo paradeigma.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: H ayjhmenh symmetoxh, kyrie Ypoyrge, gia thn opoia dinete sygxarhthria, sas ikanopoiei se ola ta pedia; Qelw na pw oti ayjhmenh symmetoxh eidame kai sthn proeklogikh periodo. Malista zhsate kai eseis kapoia epeisodia me giaoyrtakia klp. Einai kai ayto symmetoxh poy sas ikanopoiei; Milw gia thn kybernhtikh politikh bebaiws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ayjhmenh symmetoxh stis foithtikes ekloges mas ikanopoiei panta. Sthn periptwsh sthn opoia anafereste, me pollh xara diapistwsa -kai epitrecte moy na milhsw kanontas mia ejairesh ws kommatiko stelexos- oti sthn Kozanh h ayjhsh toy posostoy twn foithtwn poy chfisan stis Sxoles htan arketa shmantikh.

SIDERHS: Qewreite, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti proseblhqh h xwra apo to gegonos oti o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn htan sthn Toyrkia kai eginan osa eginan sta Imia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei hdh apanthsei o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. H apanthsh toy kalyptei apolytws kai to erwthma sas kai th qesh ths kybernhshs synolika.

BLAXOS: To gegonos oti paremeine sthn Agkyra o k. Molybiaths htan apotelesma dikhs toy prwtoboylias h synennohqhke me thn Aqhna kai ton Prwqypoyrgo gia na meinei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ekrine oti prepei na parameinei gia na synexisei tis syzhthseis. H oysiastikh parembash toy edwse aisio telos se ayth thn ypoqesh, h opoia qa eixe odhghqei, opws poly swsta eipe kai o idios shmera, se krish.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H chfoforia gia thn kyrwsh toy Eyrwsyntagmatos qa ginei thn Paraskeyh h qa ginei th Deytera; Exei kaqoristei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an h kybernhsh kai sygkekrimena to Prwqypoyrgiko Grafeio kanei ejetash h anakriseis, den jerw, peite to opws qelete, gia tis diarroes opws anagrafetai shmera ston ``Eleyqero Typo''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

POYLIDOY: Pote ajiologhsate to epeisodio ws sobaro poy qa mporoyse na odhghsei se krish afoy mexri proxqes to brady qewroysate oti htan armodiothta toy Ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H shmasia toy epeisodioy ajiologhqhke apo thn enarjh toy kai kata th diarkeia ths poreias toy. Oi xeirismoi poy eginan htan oi katallhloteroi. Htan xeirismoi poy edeijan oti h kybernhsh ayth katafere na dhmioyrghsei synqhkes poy den prokaloyn kriseis sto Aigaio.

SPYRAKH: Exei zhthqei apo thn Efes Pilsen na yparjoyn metra asfaleias gia thn omada analoga me ayta poy ginontai gia ta ychla proswpa; Yparxei sxetiko eggrafo pros to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn h to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an yparxei kapoio eggrafo. Omws tetoioy eidoys probleceis ginontai synexws, se oti afora sto podosfairo, to mpasket, ston aqlhtismo genikotera. Qa lhfqoyn ola ta aparaithta metra.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh qewrw oti yparxei mia asafeia poy xrhzei ejhghshs. Meta tis syzhthseis toy k. Molybiath sthn Agkyra to kaqestws twn anaxaitisewn sto Aigaio einai akribws opws htan kai prin h yparxei kapoia metabolh se ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paramenei trianta xronia to idio. Den exei allajei tipota apolytws. Prosteqhke mia pronoia gia thn kalyterh synennohsh metajy twn dyo pleyrwn, h opoia anakoinwqhke hdh.

GKOYTZANHS: Gi` ayto rwtw. Ean exei allajei kati epi ths oysias. An ayto dhladh qa ephreasei kai to@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paramenei akribws to idio.

KAKALHS: Apo th stigmh poy h kybernhsh den apodexetai th qewria twn ``gkrizwn zwnwn'' kai th logikh ths syndiaxeirishs sto Aigaio giati den apodokimase kai den katadikase thn amfisbhthsh twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn ths xwras dhmosia kai eyqews, alla epixeirhse na ypobaqmisei to olo qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To exei kanei pleistakis ayto. H kybernhsh exei dhlwsei oti tetoioy eidoys epeisodia den bohqoyn se kamia periptwsh sth beltiwsh toy klimatos metajy twn dyo xwrwn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epistrefontas o k. Molybiaths apo thn Toyrkia, metaferei kati kainoyrgio, mia kainoyrgia idea ths Toyrkias oson afora th lysh toy Kypriakoy, alla kai to qema ths anagnwrishs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw tipota perissotero ep` aytoy.

XONDROS: Einai h kybernhsh ``soyrwthri''; Dioti diabazoyme oti eipwqhke xqes apo ton Prwqypoyrgo se syskech sto Majimoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eipwqhke kati tetoio. Se kamia periptwsh den me ikanopoiei aytos o oros poy xrhsimopoihsate.

BLAXOS: Xrhsimopoihse allh lejh o Prwqypoyrgos, anti gia ``soyrwthri'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poy anafereste akribws;

BLAXOS: Sth dysareskeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia tis diarroes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den kanei diarroes o Prwqypoyrgos.

BLAXOS: Se ayth th dysareskeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia tis diarroes, ayto eipa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos -opws sas exw pei polles fores s` ayth thn aiqoysa kai eyxaristw poy moy dinete thn eykairia- den politeyetai, oyte otan htan arxhgos ths antipoliteyshs, oyte twra, me th logikh ``ekfrazw dysareskeia h eyareskeia gia kapoia pragmata''. Politikh shmainei lhch apofasewn. Kai o Prwqypoyrgos lambanei apofaseis.

BLAXOS: Dhladh einai eyxaristhmenos me tis diarroes; Ayto mas lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Molis twra sas eipa oti den xrhsimopoiei tetoioy eidoys oroys gia na shmatodothsei thn politikh.

BLAXOS: Mporeite na mas metaferete ta synaisqhmata toy Prwqypoyrgoy gi` ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

SIDERHS: Otan mpainoyn ta toyrkika aeroskafh qa anaxaitizontai apo ta ellhnika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den allazei tipote. Qa ginontai ola opws ginontan ta teleytaia trianta xronia.

SIDERHS: H xqesinh anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Amynas, elege alla, opws kai o k. Antwnaros.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete laqos. Einai akribws h idia logikh, akribws oi idies diadikasies poy akoloyqoyntai edw kai trianta xronia.

SIDERHS: Htan atyxhs h ekfrash, profanws.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Shmera to prwi eixame panw apo thn Andro 22 parabiaseis. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sxoliasa ta qemata ayta prohgoymenws, legontas oti oi energeies aytes den bohqoyn sth beltiwsh enos klimatos empistosynhs metajy twn dyo xwrwn.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yphrje kata th diarkeia ths krishs, poy zhsame proxqes to brady sta @Imia, enhmerwsh twn HPA apo thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an yphrje enhmerwsh pros tritoys. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

SPYRAKH: Dhladh, den enhmerwqhkan oi presbeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti den gnwrizw. Nomizw oti einai safes ayto poy lew.

TSIODRAS: Eipate oti den bohqoyn tetoies energeies sth beltiwsh twn dimerwn sxesewn kai sth beltiwsh enos klimatos empistosynhs metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Ayto qa elega oti einai diapistwtiko. Qa kanw mia erwthsh poy thn ekana kai xqes kai perimenw mia apanthsh: Exei h kybernhsh kapoia politikh ektimhsh giati ginetai ayto; Giati dhladh proxqes egine h istoria sta @Imia, giati enw epistrefei o k. Molybiaths exoyme aytes tis parabiaseis shmera; Mporeite na kanete mia politikh ektimhsh ti zhtaei kai ti epidiwkei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi politikes ektimhseis poy kanei h kybernhsh den einai se epipedo parathrhth. Tetoioy eidoys ektimhseis mporei na ginontai apo toys parathrhtes. Oi politikes ektimhseis poy kanei h kybernhsh einai na prospaqei na epitygxanei lysh sta problhmata. Kai en prokeimenw eixame mia ypoqesh thn opoia xeiristhke me acogo tropo o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, epitygxanontas na mhn odhghqoyme se peraiterw krish, opws kai o idios eipe shmera to prwi. Oyden allo sxolio opws ayto poy moy zhtate.

TSIODRAS: O ellhnikos laos den dikaioytai na jerei thn ektimhsh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O ellhnikos laos dikaioytai na zhtei apo thn kybernhsh, h opoia kyberna ton topo, na prattei etsi wste na mh dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata opws ayta ta opoia qa mporoysan na dhmioyrghqoyn kai ta opoia apefeyxqhsan. Na mh dhmioyrgoyntai kriseis metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Na dhmioyrgeitai aisqhma asfaleias sthn kaqhmerinothta toy Ellhna polith. Kai ayto to yphretoyme kai to epitygxanoyme.

SIDERHS: Qewreite oti dhmioyrgeitai aisqhma asfaleias stoys polites otan kaloyn ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, ton egklwbizoyn, stelnoyn aktaiwroys sta @Imia, stelnoyn aeroplana panw apo thn Andro kai emeis apla ypoxwroyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia kinhmatografiko senario ayto poy eipate, kalo moy akoygetai. Den antanakla omws thn pragmatikh apotypwsh twn gegonotwn.

SIDERHS: H pragmatikothta einai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ws pragmatikh politikh apotypwsh twn gegonotwn, einai arketa ``trabhgmenh''.

XIWTHS: O epitimos Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias K. Mhtsotakhs dhlwse shmera oti h epikoinwniakh politikh poy askei h kybernhsh den einai h kalyterh. Eimai bebaios oti den qa sxoliasete dhlwsh toy k. Mhtsotakh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eiste bebaios;

XIWTHS: Sas kalw, loipon, na sxoliasete ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai ws ypeyqynos gia thn epikoinwnia, an qewreite oti h epikoinwniakh politikh ths kybernhshs einai ikanopoihtikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei polles fores. Xairomai poy moy dinete pali thn eykairia na pw oti to kalytero einai exqros toy kaloy.

BLAXOS: Me entypwsiazete me tis apanthseis poy dinete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantasteite oti den prospaqhsa kai idiaitera!

BLAXOS: Xarakthrisate to gegonos sta @Imia ws ypoqesh. Etsi eipate. Eipate epishs oti o ellhnikos laos qelei aisqhma asfaleias sthn kaqhmerinothta toy kai ayto to epitygxanei h kybernhsh mh dhmioyrgwntas kriseis. Kai sas erwtw: Otan ena ploio stratiwtiko, polemiko mias geitonikhs xwras eisballei sta ellhnika xwrika ydata, einai ypoqesh; Den einai eisbolh kata thn kybernhsh; Den einai dhladh meizon stratiwtiko qema, problhma, metajy twn dyo xwrwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw an qa eixe nohma na kalesw kai toys dhmosiografoys na xrhsimopoioyn fraseologia tetoia poy qa bohqoyse thn eqnikh ypoqesh kai ta eqnika symferonta. Eimai bebaios omws oti gnwrizete poly kala pws sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, se ena qema poy diarkei sxedon ennea xronia, h Nea Dhmokratia kai ws antipoliteysh kai twra ws kybernhsh, exei poly sygkekrimenes qeseis. Aytes tis qeseis prospaqoyme me ton kalytero dynato tropo na tis kanoyme prajh. Prospaqoyme edw kai ena xrono, me ton kalytero dynato tropo, na dhmioyrghsoyme synqhkes asfaleias, empistosynhs, amoibaias katanohshs sto Aigaio metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Dioti pisteyoyme oti monon etsi oi dyo laoi mporoyn na zhsoyn geitonika, eirhnika kai gia thn proodo toys.

SIDERHS: Oi Toyrkoi to jeroyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakaloysa, loipon, oi ekfraseis aytes poy xrhsimopoihqhkan sto plaisio ths dhmosiografikhs erwthshs, na apaleifontai. Qa bohqoyse, nomizw, perissotero thn eqnikh ypoqesh.

BLAXOS: Peite mas, loipon, poio einai to aisqhma ths asfaleias poy h kybernhsh ths Elladas edwse ston cara, o opoios careye sta ellhnika xwrika ydata gia na bgalei to cwmi toys Poio einai to aisqhma asfaleias poy toy edwse to ellhniko kratos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eilikrina den qymamai ti apanthsh sas edinan oi prohgoymenoi kybernhtikoi ekproswpoi epi PASOK, otan dhmioyrghqhke ayto to qema kai synthrhqhke epi seiran etwn. Ayto poy qelw na sas pw egw einai oti: Ayth h kybernhsh kataballei kaqe dynath prospaqeia, etsi wste na dhmioyrghqei kai na empedwqei kai to aisqhma asfaleias kai to aisqhma empistosynhs.

SIDERHS: Ta idia toys legame, pantws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eixe kamia aixmh gia to oti den kanate kala th doyleia sas. Den qa to elega pote. Qa hmoyn o teleytaios poy qa elega kati tetoio.

GKOYTZANHS: Meta thn istoria me ta @Imia to 1996, eixe epikrathsei ena kaqestws sthn perioxh: Oxi shmaies, oxi ploia, oxi stratoi. Ayto htan ena kaqestws, mia atyph symfwnia thn opoia eixan thrhsei -nomizw- kai oi dyo pleyres, me thn eggyhsh malista twn HPA. H paroysia ths toyrkikhs aktaiwroy parabiazei ayth th symfwnia kai shmainei kapoia allagh aytoy toy kaqestwtos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ean yphrxe tetoia symfwnia, opws thn anaferete. Alla, tetoioy eidoys symfwnia, opws thn anaferete, apanta sto erwthma poy ekane o synadelfos sas prohgoymenws, oti ean yphrxe den ejyphretei kai poly ta eqnika symferonta, dioti qetei ypo amfisbhthsh enan xwro ton opoio emeis den dexomaste oti einai ypo amfisbhthsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Sthn, pragmati, kala qelhsh poy epideiknyei h Ellada sta ellhno-toyrkika, h apo ekei pleyra, h Toyrkia, exete thn aisqhsh oti epideiknyei katanohsh sta problhmata ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kapoio baqmo, nai, pisteyw oti yparxei katanohsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Me tis prajeis aytes ennow.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi prajeis aytes, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, den bohqoyn kai bebaiws den kinoyntai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Oi syzhthseis poy exoyn ginei se politiko epipedo exoyn dhlwsei thn proqesh kai twn dyo pleyrwn -kai twn Toyrkwn- na proxwrhsoyme se ena pio eirhniko mellon me apofygh proklhsewn. Ayto, omws, jerete, mellei kai na apodeiknyetai. Den arkei mono h syzhthsh kai h qewrhtikh topoqethsh epi twn qematwn poy dhmioyrgoyntai. Einai mia poly dyskolh, poly sklhrh diadikasia. Einai enas dromos dyskolos.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ean gnwrizete o k. Gkioyl gnwrize to peristatiko otan diamartyrhqhke o Ellhnas Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn; H Toyrkia, dhladh, exei dyo glwsses; Den gnwrizei h politikh hgesia ti kanei h stratiwtikh kai to anapodo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw ayto poy me rwtate. Gnwrizw oti o k. Molybiaths xeiristhke me ton k. Gkioyl to qema. Kai ayto elhje poly syntoma, apo th stigmh poy to xeiristhkan oi dyo Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn.

KAKALHS: Sto onoma ths mh dhmioyrgias krisewn sto Aigaio mporoyme na fqasoyme sto shmeio na dhmioyrgoyntai tetelesmena se baros twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn sthn perioxh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Aytonohtws, oxi.

KAKALHS: Poios to diasfalizei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H stibarh politikh mias kybernhshs, h enisxysh ths politikhs ayths apo to qelhma toy laoy, h istoria, o politismos.

TSIODRAS: Diabazontas th synqesh toy Kentrikoy Arxaiologikoy Symboylioy (KAS) eida dyo onomata: Palaiokrassa, h opoia plhroforhqhka oti einai korh toy k. Palaiokrassa kai Paylidh, poy plhroforhqhka oti einai aderfh toy ypoyrgoy k. Paylidh. Qelw na rwthsw pws ejhgeitai se liga melh enos arxaiologikoy symboylioy na einai dyo syggenika proswpa stelexwn ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto baqmo poy isxyei ayto poy lete, o baqmos syggeneias den airei thn ajiopistia h thn ajiokratia h thn ikanothta kanenos. Qa htan ratsistiko ean isxye to antiqeto.

TSIODRAS: Den einai deigma, omws, oikogeneiokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta sxolia einai dika sas. Egw sas apanthsa hdh.

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh Karamanlh akoloyqei thn politikh Mhtsotakh sta ejwterika qemata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh Karamanlh akoloyqei thn politikh poy gnwrizete.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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