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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Aprilioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Shmera, stis 18:00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Proedro toy EBEA k. Drakoylh Foyntoykako kai stis 18:30 me ton Proedro ths Enwshs Ellhnwn Efoplistwn k. Niko Eyqymioy.

Ayrio Trith, stis 9 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Proedro ths OKE k. Niko Analyth kai stis 09:30 me ton Proedro ths SEPE k. Spyro Byzantio.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Twra poioys blepei kyrie Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Shmera to prwi, stis 10:30, o Prwqypoyrgos parabreqhke sthn teleth paradoshs 52 oxhmatwn twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn se diaforoys foreis kai organwseis. Stis 12:00 synanthqhke me ton epixeirhmatia k. Basilh Kwnstantakopoylo kai stis 13:00 synantatai me ton k. Bardh Bardinogiannh.

GKOYTZANHS: Mporeite na mas dwsete perissotera stoixeia gi` ayto; Giati toys blepei, poioi epixeirhmaties qa akoloyqhsoyn sto plaisio twn synanthsewn;

ANTWNAROS: Einai ekproswpoi toy epixeirhmatikoy kosmoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Den qa dei alloys, memonwmena, epixeirhmaties;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na sas pw, sas to anakoinwsa. O Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me ekproswpoys toy epixeirhmatikoy kosmoy sta plaisia twn syntonismenwn prospaqeiwn poy kataballei h kybernhsh gia thn enisxysh ths epixeirhmatikothtas, thn prowqhsh newn ependysewn kai bebaiws, ekei poy odhgoyn oi nees ependyseis, dhladh sth dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ta ranteboy ta zhtaei o Prwqypoyrgos; Ki an ta zhtaei o Prwqypoyrgos, qa dei kai ton k. Kokkalh;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ton k. Mpompola;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei orismenes synanthseis. Opws sas

exoyme pei kai sto parelqon, megalh proteraiothta ths kybernhshs

apotelei h proselkysh newn ependysewn toso apo Ellhnes, oso kai apo

jenoys epixeirhmaties, sta plaisia toy idiaitera eynoikoy ependytikoy klimatos poy dhmioyrgeitai sth xwra. H prowqhsh twn ependysewn, poy se orismenes periptwseis limnazan, baltwnan pleon twn deka etwn, apotelei, opws sas exoyme pei epaneilhmmena tis teleytaies ebdomades, mia megalh proteraiothta ths kybernhshs. Poly syntoma qa exoyme sygkekrimena apotelesmata.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den moy apanthsate.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ta zhtaei o Prwqypoyrgos ta ranteboy;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me epixeirhmaties kai ekproswpoys toy epixeirhmatikoy kosmoy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Me prwtoboylia poioy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Osoi exoyn ypobalei epixeirhmatika h ependytika sxedia kai osoi ekproswpoyn diaforoys foreis, exoyn th dynatothta katopin synennohsews me to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, synantoyn ton k. Kwsta Karamanlh. Etsi orizontai, opws einai fysiko, ta ranteboy. Se mia synanthsh metexoyn dyo, opws gnwrizete.

GKOYTZANHS: O kyklos aytwn twn synanthsewn arxise shmera me ton k. Bardh Bardinogiannh kai synexizetai me ton k. Kwnstantakopoylo.

ANTWNAROS: Arxise me ton k. Kwnstantakopoylo kai synexisthke me ton k. Bardinogiannh.

GKOYTZANHS: Me poio krithrio epeleghsan aytoi oi dyo, mporoyme na jeroyme;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

SIDERHS: Sta plaisia toy neoy epixeirhmatikoy klimatos poy mono eseis to blepete pros to paron kai endexomenws o k. Alogoskoyfhs, htan kai h apofash na doqei h kataskeyh torpilwn ston k. Germano, enw thn idia stigmh h sygxwneyqeisa, meta apo polles tympanokroysies EBO @ PYRKAL, exei steilei epistolh kai leei oti mporei na tis ftiajei h idia tis torpiles, giati doqhkan ston idiwth; Th stigmh poy den yparxei akomh pistopoihsh oti sto ergostasio ths Janqhs mporoyn na ginoyn aytes oi torpiles.

ANTWNAROS: To eynoiko epixeirhmatiko klima poy yparxei sth xwra, to diapistwnoyn para polloi Ellhnes polites, profanws eseis oxi, alla einai dikaiwma sas. Qa fanei, opws sas eipa, poly syntoma, otan anakoinwqoyn shmantikes ependyseis, oi opoies limnazan gia para polla xronia apo adiaforia kai abelthria ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs. Oso gia to deytero qema sto opoio anafereste, yparxei anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas, k. Sphliwtopoyloy, sthn opoia kai sas parapempw.

KAKALHS: Stis synanthseis poy qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys memonwmenoys epixeirhmaties, qa parasxei kai kapoies proswpikes diabebaiwseis; Qa proxwrhsei se kapoia deal, se kapoies symfwnies mazi toys, gia na ginoyn aytes oi ependyseis; Giati mexri twra gia sygkekrimenoys logoys den ginontoysan oi ependyseis.

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh milate synexws gia memonwmenoys epixeirhmaties, epanalambanw oti o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai taktika me ekproswpoys sygkekrimenwn omadwn epixeirhmatiwn, eklegmenoys ekproswpoys epixeirhmatiwn, opws allwste symbainei kai me toys ekproswpoys olwn twn koinwnikwn tajewn. Ayto egine kai prin apo th Dieqnh Ekqesh Qessalonikhs. O k. Karamanlhs ekane allwste tetoies synanthseis taktika kai otan htan arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

KAKALHS: O logos einai gia toys memonwmenoys. To katalaba oti anaferqhkate stoys ekproswpoys twn forewn. Twra milame gia toys memonwmenoys. Se aytoys qa prosferei kapoies proswpikes diabebaiwseis o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Pws katalhgete se tetoia symperasmata; O Prwqypoyrgos syzhta, pairnei idees, afoygkrazetai to sfygmo ths koinwnias kata th diarkeia twn syzhthsewn me diaforoys ekproswpoys ths.

XONDROS: O k. Bardinogiannhs, ap` oso gnwrizw, den ekproswpei kapoio forea.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. O Prwqypoyrgos synantatai kai me memonwmenoys epixeirhmaties.

XONDROS: Qa dei kai alloys epixeirhmaties memonwmenoys, oi opoioi na exoyn kapoia sxesh me ta MME;

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparjei kati pws anakoinwsh, qa to plhroforhqeite.

XONDROS: Giati o sygkekrimenos epixeirhmatias exei sxesh kai me MME.

ANTWNAROS: Otan o Prwqypoyrgos exei alles synanthseis, qa enhmerwqeite gi aytes.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgei h kybernhsh to gegonos oti enw mexri twra exei prosferei foroapallages, meiwseis forologikwn syntelestwn, anaptyjiaka kinhtra, mesw toy anaptyjiakoy nomoy, parolo poy oi epixeirhmaties emfanizoyn ychla kerdh ta prohgoymena xronia den proxwroyn se ependyseis.

ANTWNAROS: Molis apanthsa gi` ayto to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Se synexeia ths erwthshs toy k. Siderh, gia th doyleia poy phre o Germanos einai synexeia toy ranteboy poy eixan oi Ypoyrgoi Amynas, Oikonomikwn kai Anaptyjhs me toys epixeirhmaties;

ANTWNAROS: Exei doqei apanthsh. Sas eipame oti den yphrxe kanena ranteboy. Egine mia syskech, sthn opoia klhqhkan se kapoio stadio ths syskechs -efoson xreiasthke- na dwsoyn ejhghseis h peraiterw stoixeia oi epixeirhmaties.

SIDERHS: Kai h opoia krathqhke mystikh@

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipote to mempto, opws ypainisseste.

SIDERHS: @kaitoi elabe meros kai h symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgos k. Loyrh.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite, otan lete oti krathqhke mystikh.

SIDERHS: Den anakoinwqhke kai to qema to ebgale o SKAI ston aera.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oles tis syskeceis poy ginontai kaqe hmera sta diafora Ypoyrgeia; Den nomizw.

SIDERHS: Den qelw na monopwlw kai den epimenw apo o,ti blepete, oti ginetai diypoyrgikh kai symmetexoyn ypoyrgoi, armodioi gia thn amyntikh politikh kai dyo epixeirhmaties kai symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, den einai mia aplh syzhthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw oti den symmeteixan oi epixeirhmaties. Ejakoloyqeite na epimenete ep` aytoy.

SIDERHS: Ma symmeteixan.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai h prwth fora poy to lete ayto k. Ekproswpe. Thn prohgoymenh fora poy teqhke sthn politikh enhmerwsh den to diaceysate.

ANTWNAROS: Deite parakalw ta praktika.

SIDERHS: Diaceydete oti symmeteixan oi dyo epixeirhmaties;

ANTWNAROS: Epimenw oti kaqe hmera sta Ypoyrgeia ginontai polles diypoyrgikes syskeceis. Den anakoinwnontai oles kai ayto einai apolytws fysiko. Einai synanthseis ergasias kai anakoinwnetai kati otan yparxoyn apotelesmata.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Meta thn istoria me ta giaoyrtia, exoyme thn istoria me ta melia. Pera apo to gegonos oti enas poliths den mporei na faei pia ena giaoyrtaki me meli to brady, qewrei h kybernhsh oti yparxei politikh eyqynh, apo th stigmh poy gnwrizan sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs ta dyo diatrofika skandala kai den ekanan tipota;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizoyme oti exete aristes mageirikes ikanothtes. Eimai bebaios oti trwte kai etoimazete sto spiti sas kati parapanw apo giaoyrti me meli, poy den yparxei amfibolia oti einai poly qreptiko. Opws gnwrizete, yparxoyn anakoinwseis dyo Yfypoyrgwn, toy k. Papaqanasioy kai toy k. Kontoy gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Ayth poy proerxetai apo to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, afora sta entelws texnika xarakthristika toy qematos, enw h anakoinwsh toy k. Papaqanasioy anaferetai kyriws sto gegonos oti den yphrje kamia kaqysterhsh stis energeies poy eprepe na ginoyn kai eginan. Ekeino poy exei shmasia gia tis arxes ths Politeias einai na perifroyrhqei apolyta h ygeia twn Ellhnwn katanalwtwn. Oloi mas, omws, prepei na kataballoyme ekeines tis prospaqeies poy xreiazontai, wste na mhn dhmioyrgeitai aney logoy sygxysh sto katanalwtiko koino. As mhn prokaloyme anhsyxies xwris logo stoys polites.

TSIODRAS: Lete na kataballoyn prospaqeies, wste na mh dhmioyrgeitai sygxysh sto katanalwtiko koino. Omws, h sygxysh kai h elleich empistosynhs dhmioyrgoyntai otan jerei oti yparxoyn plhrofories stis armodies yphresies, epi seira mhnwn kai den anakoinwnontai h den lambanontai ta katallhla metra. Tote dhmioyrgeitai to problhma.

ANTWNAROS: Exete dikio. Alla sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh poy anafereste, an deite thn akribh xronologikh seira, h opoia den amfisbhteitai apo kanenan -dhladh pote apofasisthkan ta sygkekrimena oria apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai pote eginan oi aparaithtes energeies- qa diapistwsete oti den yparxei kamia kaqysterhsh. Ayto einai eykolo na to diapistwsei kapoios. Den amfisbhteitai apo kanenan.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia to meli milame;

ANTWNAROS: Nai.

SPYRAKH: H stash toy apopemfqentos Proedroy toy armodioy forea poy proxwrhse se ayth thn apokalych elafrws eteroxronismena, pws thn krinete;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqenas krinetai apo tis prajeis toy th xronikh stigmh poy tis kanei.

SPYRAKH: Dhladh, yparxei idioteles kinhtro; Pisteyete oti to problhma den exei th diastash poy paroysiazetai; Poia einai h ektimhsh sas, giati yparxei h aisqhsh diatrofikoy skandaloy.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei diatrofiko skandalo. Sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Den yparxei skandalo gia thn kybernhsh apo th stigmh poy exoyn katanalwqei anqygieina proionta; Anaferomai kai sta giaoyrtia kai sto meli.

ANTWNAROS: H ekfrash ``diatrofiko skandalo'', poy xrhsimopoihse h k. Spyrakh, oxi me kakh proqesh bebaia, einai mia poly baria ekfrash. Kata poso kati einai epikindyno gia th dhmosia ygeia, den eimai egw ws mh eidikos se qesh na to krinw. Se ayth thn periptwsh, qa prepei na epikalestw -opws kanoyn allwste kai ta armodia ypoyrgeia stis anakoinwseis twn opoiwn sas parapempw- ta stoixeia twn eidikwn twn opoiwn oi eidikes gnwseis einai pera apo kaqe amfisbhthsh.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, h kybernhsh den prokeitai na allajei tipota se olh th diadikasia elegxoy twn trofimwn; Oyte, dhladh, to gegonos oti o elegxos ginetai kata th diarkeia@

ANTWNAROS: O,ti diapistwqhke, diapistwqhke kata th diadikasia twn elegxwn.

KAKALHS: Eixan kykloforhsei ta proionta. Kata th diarkeia ths paragwghs den prokeitai na ginontai elegxoi.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws, ginontai kai sth diarkeia ths paragwghs.

KAKALHS: Me to nomo poy isxyei shmera, den ginontai kata th diarkeia ths paragwghs, ginontai kata th diarkeia ths kykloforias.

ANTWNAROS: Ean exete protaseis einai kalo na tis gracete kai fantazomai oti ta armodia ypoyrgeia qa tis laboyn ypoch toys.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Pws einai dynaton, shmera, oi efhmerides na dhmosieyoyn enan katalogo me ta melia ta opoia aposyrontai h elegxontai kai to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs na mhn exei steilei stis nomarxies ayton ton katalogo;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Eekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti oi en logw energeies exoyn hdh dromologhqei. Wstoso, parakalw na to diastayrwsete me to armodio Ypoyrgeio.

KATSENOS: Ap` o,ti fainetai, o EFET empleketai se ayth thn istoria. Mhpws h kybernhsh meleta ton eksygxronismo aytoy toy Organismoy, giati to qema to melioy, qa sas plhroforhsw, jekinhse apo to 2003.

ANTWNAROS: Den qelw na ypeiselqw se eidikes leptomereies gia to qema toy melioy, tis opoies endexomenws den gnwrizw toso kala oso oi eidikoi. Ej oswn exw enhmerwqei, to qema ayto proekyce afotoy h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh eqese ena xamhlo orio.

KATSENOS: Oxi, kyrie Ekproswpe. Den einai etsi ta pragmata. An diabasate thn anakoinwsh toy k. Kontoy, h ypoqesh jekina apo to 2003.

ANTWNAROS: H qespish toy sygkekrimenoy orioy apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh einai poly prosfath. Alles prohgmenes xwres ektos Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, opws oi Hnwmenes Politeies, exoyn safws ychlotero orio. Oi armodies Arxes sthn Ellada efarmozoyn ta sygkekrimena oria apo th stigmh poy qespisthkan apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Opws de eipe kai o k. Papaqanasioy epaneilhmmenws tis teleytaies hmeres, ta oria ayta qa efarmostoyn xwris kamia ejairesh.

KATSENOS: Epeidh eixame problhmata me ton EFET kai me thn periptwsh twn trelwn ageladwn, opoy den mporoyse na syntonistei to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs me to tote Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias, epeidh yparxei twra to problhma me ta giaoyrtia, epeidh proekyce teleytaia kai to problhma me to meli, gi` ayto sas rwthsa. Ean h kybernhsh skopeyei na allajei ton tropo leitoyrgias toy EFET, kaqws epishs einai gnwsth kai h kontra metajy twn dyo Ypoyrgeiwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa hqela na anaferqw se dhqen, opws eipate, kontres metajy twn dyo Ypoyrgeiwn. Ekeino poy exei shmasia ayth th stigmh einai na antimetwpistei to sygkekrimeno qema poy proekyce. Kai ayto akribws egine me apotelesmatikothta.

POYLIDOY: Exw diabasei ston Typo, edw kai arketo kairo, oti yparxei etoimo nomosxedio gia thn anwtatopoihsh twn Ieratikwn Sxolwn. Mporeite na mas peite peri tinos prokeitai;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw ayrio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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