Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-03-15

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Aqhna, 15 Martioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Kalh ebdomada kai kalh Sarakosth.

O Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei ayrio Tetarth, stis 14:00 gia tis Bryjeles, opoy stis 18:00, qa exei synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, k. Mparozo.

Amesws meta th synanthsh o Prwqypoyrgos qa anaxwrhsei gia to Loyjemboyrgo, opoy kai qa dianyktereysei.

Thn Pempth, 17 Martioy to meshmeri qa metabei sto kastro Seningken, opoy qa synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo toy Loyjemboyrgoy kai proedreyonta ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs k. Gioynker, me ton opoio qa exei katarxas, mia kat` idian synanthsh kai sth synexeia, qa synanthqoyn oi antiproswpeies.

Telos, stis 13:50, o Prwqypoyrgos toy Loyjemboyrgoy qa paraqesei geyma ston Prwqypoyrgo, o opoios meta to geyma qa epistrecei, amesws, sthn Aqhna.

Meta thn enhmerwsh, qa sas moirasw to mhnyma toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia th shmerinh Hmera toy Katanalwth.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O k. Almoynia, sth synenteyjh toy, proteinei sthn kybernhsh na labei prosqeta metra dhmosionomikhs prosarmoghs. H kybernhsh yioqetei tis protaseis toy k. Almoynia;

ANTWNAROS: Gia thn oikonomia topoqethqhke poly analytika kai se megalo baqos o Prwqypoyrgos. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to Sabbatokyriako boyije o topos pali gia epikeimeno anasxhmatismo. O shmerinos Typos malista dhmosieyei kai fwtografies Ypoyrgwn pros metakinhsh. Einai anagkh na jekaqarisete thn eikona. Odhgoymaste pros anasxhmatismo h ola ayta poy grafontai einai ek toy ponhroy;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos topoqethqhke me apolyth safhneia thn perasmenh ebdomada sth synenteyjh Typoy, sto qema toy anasxhmatismoy. Den tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy.

SPYRAKH: Pote skopeyei h kybernhsh na ferei sth Boylh to nomosxedio gia th sygkentrwsh twn Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs;

ANTWNAROS: To nomosxedio qa erqei sth Boylh mesa stis proqesmies poy exei anakoinwsei epaneilhmmena o Ypoyrgos Epikrateias, k. Roysopoylos. Exoyme pei, mexri to kalokairi. Kai ayto ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

TSIODRAS: An einai akribeis oi plhrofories apo tis Bryjeles, exei zhthqei apo thn ellhnikh pleyra h anabolh ths syzhthshs toy basikoy metoxoy, h opoia syzhthsh apofasisthke xqes apo toys Genikoys Dieyqyntes, omws h ellhnikh pleyra zhthse na mh syzhthqei apo to Kolegio twn Epitropwn. An einai akribhs ayth h plhroforia, efoson exoyme dikio kai einai symbatos o nomos me to koinotiko dikaio, tote gia poio logo zhtame anabolh;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas plhroforia. Egw ayth th stigmh poy milame, den exw tetoia plhroforia gia na sas th dwsw. H ellhnikh kybernhsh kanei oles ekeines tis aparaithtes energeies, wste na kleisei to qema yper twn ellhnikwn symferontwn.

TSIODRAS: Sygnwmh, otan lete ``na kleisei to qema'', yparxei kapoio zhthma anoixto. Poio einai to zhthma poy einai anoixto;

ANTWNAROS: To qema einai na prostateyqei to ellhniko Syntagma. H syzhthsh ginetai gia to Syntagma. Ta ellhnika symferonta epitassoyn na yperamynqei h kybernhsh toy Syntagmatos. Kai h kybernhsh ayto akribws kanei.

SPYRAKH: Ti prosdoka h ellhnikh kybernhsh apo thn ayrianh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro ths Epitrophs, kaqws einai pleon safes oti qa teqei sth synanthsh ayth kai to zhthma ths symbatothtas toy nomoy gia to Basiko Metoxo;

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqei kai isxyei ayto poy sas eipa thn perasmenh ebdomada: Oti o Prwqypoyrgos den exei kamia anameijh sto sygkekrimeno qema.

SIDERHS: Tote giati paei; Jeroyme oti to basiko problhma einai o nomos gia to Basiko Metoxo kai einai aporias ajio, pws h kybernhsh den eixe pronohsei na exei tetoies diatajeis wste na mhn yparxei antiqesh me to koinotiko dikaio kai na mhn yparxoyn ta problhmata poy yparxoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws se ayth thn aiqoysa oti oi enstaseis, oi epifylajeis, oi opoies exoyn ekfrastei sto parelqon anaferontai, kata kyrio logo, sto Syntagma, sto arqro 14, paragrafos 9. Ayto to Syntagma, to opoio exoyn chfisei ta dyo megala kommata sth Boylh, exei ypoxrewsh kaqe ellhnikh kybernhsh, na to prostateysei. Kai h shmerinh ellhnikh kybernhsh to kanei me megalh apofasistikothta kai afosiwsh sto ergo ths, kati to opoio h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, gia tria synexh xronia, den to ekane.

SIDERHS: Mono poy to Syntagma proyphrxe, alla h prohgoymenh kybernhsh den eixe antimetwpisei ayta ta problhmata poy antimetwpizete eseis.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos. Eixan apeyqynqei epistoles ths Epitrophs poy hgeiran enstaseis, aitiaseis, kritikh gia ton prohgoymeno nomo kai gia to Syntagma. Ep` aytoy ginetai kyriws h syzhthsh.

SIDERHS: Ayth thn peira eseis den thn enswmatwsate. Ta lete ayta, alla o k. Paylopoylos htan toso sigoyros sto Zappeio oti to ellhniko Syntagma yperisxyei.

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqoyme kai leme ayto poy exoyme pei kai den qa to epanalabw gia ekatosth fora mesa sthn aiqoysa.

XIWTHS: Qelw na sas ypobalw mia dieykrinish: o Prwqypoyrgos ayrio sth synanthsh toy me ton k. Mparozo, den qa qesei kaqoloy to zhthma toy Basikoy Metoxoy; Den apasxolei thn ellhnikh kybernhsh oti yparxoyn enstaseis sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph gi` ayto to zhthma;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka se ayto molis prohgoymenws.

XIWTHS: Den to katalaba, gi` ayto janarwtw. Qa to syzhthsei o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa syzhthsei dhmosionomikes prooptikes kai qemata eyryteroy endiaferontos gia thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

XIWTHS: H erwthsh moy einai h ejhs: apo thn prohgoymenh synanthsh twn triwn Ypoyrgwn me ton k. Saoymp, h kybernhsh epanalambane monimws oti to mono poy qa apostalei stis Bryjeles einai dyo gnwmodothseis. Eidame omws mia epistolh, dhmosieyetai sto BHMA poy den einai dyo gnwmodothseis, alla olh h politikh epixeirhmatologia. Telikws tiqetai kai ena zhthma ajiopisths enhmerwshs stoys dhmosiografoys. Ti exei steilei h ellhnikh kybernhsh; Den einai ayth h epistolh poy dhmosieyetai;

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw oti apestalhsan oi dyo gnwmodothseis. Gia perissoteres plhrofories ep` aytoy apeyqynqeite ston syggrafea ths epistolhs, dhladh ston Ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs.

XIWTHS: Me sygxwreite. O syggrafeas ths epistolhs einai o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Dioikhshs, enas ek twn syntaktwn toy nomoy. Den gnwrizete an apesteile kai epistolh ektos twn gnwmodothsewn stis Bryjelles;

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei ep` aytoy eparkws o k. Paylopoylos.

XIWTHS: Nai. Egw rwtw thn kybernhsh, den rwtw ton k. Paylopoylo.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

XIWTHS: H epistolh ayth yparxei h den yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei eparkws o k. Paylopoylos.

GKOYTZANHS: Pantws, sas qymizw oti thn perasmenh ebdomada, epeidh eixame mia syzhthsh ep` aytoy, kyrie Ekproswpe, mas eixate pei oti den yparxei epistolh.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas eipa akribws oti den yparxei epistolh.

XIWTHS: O k. Paylopoylos energei aytonoma;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa. Den exw na prosqesw tipota panw se ayto.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, katalabainete ti lete; Lete oti mporei o k. Paylopoylos@

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw ayto. Ayto einai dikh sas ermhneia. Ean ayto antilambanesqe, exete bhma sthn efhmerida sas kai mporeite na gracete o,ti krinete.

XIWTHS: Nai, alla dhmosieyei ena ntokoymento, to opoio mas lete oti den gnwrizete an yparxei.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws blepei h kybernhsh thn ejelijh ths diadikasias toy Eklogodikeioy sthn opoia anagnwrizetai kata th metrhsh kai h leykh chfos; Kai pws sxoliazei oti to apotelesma ayths ths alysidwths antidrashs einai na epanerxetai sth Boylh o Axilleas Karamanlhs;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den parembainei kai poly perissotero den prokatalambanei tis apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs. Kai bebaiws den tis sxoliazei. Einai paradojo de na sxoliazontai apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs poy den exoyn kan ekdoqei.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite poy epanerxomai, alla exw mia pragmatikh aporia. Se periptwsh poy prosmetrhqoyn ta leyka, otan ta leyka piasoyn to metro, thn edra poios qa thn katalabei;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den eimai oyte eklogologos, oyte syntagmatologos. Gi` ayta ta eidika qemata, mporeite na apeyqynqeite se syntagmatologoys.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti einai paradojo na sxoliazontai apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs poy den exoyn kan ekdoqei. Den einai paradojo na yparxoyn diarroes gia to periexomeno apofasewn poy den exoyn ekdoqei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exei eyqynh h kybernhsh gia endexomenes diarroes apo to xwro ths Dikaiosynhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Oyte gia toys sxoliasmoys einai, gia na kanete sxolio oti einai paradojo.

ANTWNAROS: Egw qewrw paradojo na ginetai sxolio gia apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs kai poly perissotero otan aytes oi apofaseis den exoyn ekdoqei.

TSIODRAS: Pws apotima h kybernhsh to gegonos oti o sygkekrimenos nomos ginetai antikeimeno syzhthshs sto Kolegio twn Epitropwn; Kai qa epimeinw sto an h ellhnikh pleyra zhta anabolh ths syzhthshs ayrio. Kai gia poio logo;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Parakalw na anatrejete s` ayto poy sas eipa prin apo liga lepta: oti ayth th stigmh den exw gnwsh kanenos aithmatos gia anabolh. Kai deyteron, polloi nomoi ftanoyn kai syzhtoyntai sto Kolegio twn Epitropwn apo diafores xwres.

TSIODRAS: Sygnwmh, oxi oloi oi nomoi.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: polloi nomoi ftanoyn kai syzhtoyntai sto Kolegio twn Epitropwn.

TSIODRAS: Otan yparxei problhma symbatothtas me thn koinotikh nomoqesia, profanws.

ANTWNAROS: Polloi nomoi ftanoyn kai syzhtoyntai ekei.

TSIODRAS: Otan yparxei problhma. Den yparxei allos logos na syzhtoyntai.

ANTWNAROS: Otan qewreitai oti endexomenws yparxei kapoio problhma.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa hqela mia dieykrinish se ayto poy eipate prohgoymenws, giati eipate oti ayto poy syzhteitai einai to arqro toy Syntagmatos.

ANTWNAROS: Oi epifylajeis kai oi enstaseis poy exoyn egerqei, exoyn egerqei enantion toy arqroy toy Syntagmatos. To Syntagma desmeyei thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Emeis, ws ellhnikh koinwnia, ws kybernhsh, ws politikos kosmos exoyme thn ypoxrewsh na yperaspizomaste to Syntagma ap` arxhs mexri teloys.

GKOYTZANHS: Wstoso h kybernhsh chfise enan diaforetiko nomo, ektelestiko toy Syntagmatos, o opoios meiwne to pososto toy basikoy metoxoy kai ebaze diaforoys periorismoys sta parenqeta proswpa, thn onomastikopoihsh k.o.k. Den einai mono to Syntagma.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na melethsete tis enstaseis kai qa deite oti strefontai kyriws enantion toy Syntagmatos.

SARANTAKOS: Se dyo faseis, kai sth DEQ kai sthn Aiglh toy Zappeioy, o k. Karamanlhs, otan eixe erwthqei gia ton basiko metoxo, eixe pei oti apo thn enhmerwsh poy exei den yparxei problhma me to koinotiko dikaio. Qa hqela na rwthsw, me bash ta shmerina dedomena, dioti nomizw oti exei shmasia, na mas peite poioi htan oi eishghtes aytwn twn protasewn, poioi elegan ston Prwqypoyrgo oti den qa yparjei problhma me ton basiko metoxo. Htan Ypoyrgoi; Texnokrates; Nomikoi; Poioi htan;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote gia ayto to qema. Aytes einai eswterikes diadikasies ths kybernhshs.

SARANTAKOS: O Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Dioikhshs ton opoio eseis exete xarakthrisei kai egkrito nomomaqh, poy elege, prin apo ligoys mhnes, oti to eqniko dikaio yperterei toy koinotikoy, kai twra den to leei, yparxei qema gia thn kybernhsh; Exei parasyrei thn kybernhsh pros enan dromo@;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, den nomizw oti kaneis amfisbhtei thn idiothta toy k. Paylopoyloy, ws egkritoy nomomaqoys.

SARANTAKOS: Sas metefera mia dhlwsh epeidh eixe apanthsei se dikh moy erwthsh sto Zappeio.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio h ellhnikh kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na pisteyei einai oti o nomos einai kai symfwnos me to Syntagma kai symbatos me to koinotiko dikaio. Ayto einai poy metraei.

IWANNOY: Ean xreiastei, ean telika den yparjei anabolh kai yparjoyn kapoies systaseis, h kybernhsh einai anoikth sto endexomeno na ferei kapoies tropopoihseis sxetika me to neo nomo gia to basiko metoxo.

ANTWNAROS: Biazeste poly. Se ypoqetika erwthmata, poly perissotero tetoioy eidoys, den prokeitai se kamia periptwsh na apanthsw.

IWANNOY: To apokleiete pantws;

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

SIDERHS: Eipate oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa syzhthsei dhmosionomika qemata me ton k. Mparozo. Mhpws ayto yponoei oti qa syzhthsei tis eisroes toy D@ KPS, oi opoies kindyneyoyn na pagwsoyn ejaitias aytoy to nomoy;

ANTWNAROS: Katalhgete se symperasmata poy emena den moy prokyptoyn apo poyqena.

SIDERHS: Ti akribws sas prokyptei; Ti qa syzhthsei;

ANTWNAROS: Dhmosionomika qemata. Den parakoloyqeite osa ginontai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh; Den jerete ti syzhteitai ayth th stigmh; Poia einai ta basika qemata poy apasxoloyn toys Prwqypoyrgoys twn kratwn-melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs peran twn synorwn ths Elladas; Ayta ta qemata aggizoyn kai thn Ellada.

SIDERHS: Nai, alla etreje thn hmera poy synedriazoyn oi Epitropoi.

ANTWNAROS: Otan kleisthke h synanthsh, den eixe oristei ayth h synedriash. Kai na sas pw kai kati akoma: H synedriash toy Kolegioy diejagetai to prwi. O Prwqypoyrgos synanta ton k. Mparozo to apogeyma. Ayth h synanthsh ginetai liges hmeres prin th Synodo Koryfhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, opoy qa syzhthqoyn ayta ta qemata gia ta opoia sas milhsa prohgoymenws, dhladh, ta dhmosionomika kai alla synafh. Gi ayto allwste o Prwqypoyrgos synanta kai ton k. Gioynker.

XIWTHS: Arxikws mas eixe anakoinwqei oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthsei ton k. Mparozo to apogeyma ths Pempths, dhladh, meta th synanthsh poy qa eixe me ton proedreyonta toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. Gnwrizete gia poio logo allaje ayth h synanthsh kai qa ginei Tetarth apogeyma;

ANTWNAROS: Fantazomai oti qa exei sxesh me to bebarhmeno programma toy k. Mparozo, kaqws kai me thn epiqymia poy yparxei kai apo tis dyo pleyres na breqei eleyqeros xronos kai gia toys dyo.

GKOYTZANHS: Opoios den sebetai toys qesmoys badizei sthn katastrofh toy kai diafora alla poy elexqhsan apo ton Xristodoylo. Nomizw oti me thn kritikh poy kanei gia ta eqnika qemata, ta oikonomikh, th ftwxeia, toys boyleytes poy den shkwqhkan kapoia apanthsh prepei na dwsei h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den exei kanena sxolio.

GKOYTZANHS: Symfwnei dhladh oti badizei sthn katastrofh toy to eqnos;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

SIDERHS: Giati, kyrie Ekproswpe, einai qesmos o k. Xristodoylos;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

SIDERHS: Alla, qesmos einai h Ekklhsia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

TRIGKAS: Gia thn epiqesh ston k. Roygkoba yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na kanw mia dhlwsh gia thn epiqesh poy egine: H kybernhsh katadikazei kaqe drash bias, idiaitera malista otan symbainei se mia toso eyaisqhth perioxh, opws to Kossyfopedio. Eytyxws, ayth th fora den yphrjan qymata. H Ellada, opws allwste kai oi etairoi kai symmaxoi ths sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai to NATO antistoixa, parakoloyqei apo konta kai me eylogo problhmatismo tis ejelijeis.

SPYRAKH: Dhladh, epeidh yparxei ena poly sygkekrimeno qema poy qigei o Arxiepiskopos kai afora thn kybernhsh, thn kybernhtikh politikh. Yparxoyn eqnika qemata gia ta opoia h kybernhsh apokryptei toys xeirismoys;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh xeirizetai ta eqnika qemata me plhrh ypeyqynothta, diafaneia kai me synexh enhmerwsh pros toys Ellhnes polites, oi opoioi thn periebalan me thn empistosynh toys.

GKOYTZANHS: Toylaxiston, mporei na parei qesh h kybernhsh gia th diadikasia poy akoloyqhqhke sth Boylh kai ean synista prosbolh stoys qesmoys; Anejarthtws twn dhlwsewn toy Arxiepiskopoy.

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekproswpw thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, poy sxhmatisthke meta tis ekloges ths 7hs Martioy 2004 kai th nikh toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias, to opoio eixe kai kata thn apoch mas thn endedeigmenh kai apolytws proshkoysa symperifora sth Boylh kata thn orkwmosia toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias k. Karoloy Papoylia.

GKOYTZANHS: To komma ths Neas Dhmokratias kai h kybernhsh. Ta alla kommata eixan thn apolytws endedeigmenh kai proshkoysa@

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka.

GKOYTZANHS: Giati synedriazei shmera h Kybernhtikh Epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Gia qemata Toyrismoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete giati den mas enhmerwnete ek twn proterwn gia ta qemata@

ANTWNAROS: Giati xqes htan argia.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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