Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-03-02

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Aqhna, 2 Martioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

H kybernhsh, apo thn prwth stigmh poy anelabe th diakybernhsh ths xwras, exei skycei me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia kai ameiwto endiaferon panw apo ta problhmata twn syntajioyxwn, mias megalhs omadas sympolitwn mas, poy sth megalh toys pleiochfia exoyn xamhlo eisodhma.

Apodeiknyontas emprakta th frontida ths, h kybernhsh me to N.3245 katarghse apo 1hs Ioylioy 2004 thn parakrathsh gia to ``Logariasmo forewn koinwnikhs asfalishs'', to legomeno LAFKA. Etsi, ylopoihqhke mia safhs proeklogikh desmeysh toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias. Me to nomo ayto doqhke oristiko telos se mia koroidia sthn opoia ypebale to PASOK toys syntajioyxoys, afoy to PASOK poy twra dhqen koptetai yper twn syntajioyxwn, otan htan sthn kybernhsh eixe parateinei thn parakrathsh toy LAFKA gia alles dyo pentaeties me to N.2592/98 kai to N.3243/2004, poy shmeiwteon chfisthke to Febroyario toy 2004, ligo molis prin apo tis ekloges toy perasmenoy Martioy kai edwse paratash sto LAFKA mexri to telos toy 2007.

H shmerinh kybernhsh, omws, den perioristhke mono sthn katarghsh toy LAFKA. Stis 23 Dekembrioy 2004, meta apo syskech, epibebaiwqhke gia mia akomh fora h proqesh ths kybernhshs na katablhqoyn apo toys armodioys foreis ta anadromika toy LAFKA, efoson me dikastikh apofash dikaiwqei estw kai enas syntajioyxos. H desmeysh ayth ejakoloyqei na isxyei sto akeraio. H kybernhsh asfalws qa timhsei th desmeysh ths, opws allwste timhse sto akeraio th desmeysh ths gia arsh ths adikias toy LAFKA, mia apofash apo thn opoia o kaqe syntajioyxos beltiwse to eisodhma toy kata meso oro kata 2% peripoy.

Den prepei ejalloy na lhsmonei kaneis oti, poly prosfata kai se peisma oswn isxyrizontan to antiqeto, h kybernhsh edwse stoys syntajioyxoys gia to trexon etos th megalyterh ayjhsh stis syntajeis toys poy toys doqhke pote ta teleytaia xronia. Elaban, dhladh, 4%, pososto shmantika anwtero apo ton ethsio plhqwrismo, poy stis 31 Dekembrioy 2004 anhlqe sto 2,9%.

H frontida mas, to endiaferon mas, oi eyaisqhsies mas gia oloys toys Ellhnes kai idiaitera gia toys syntajioyxoys einai ameiwtes.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPAGIANNNHS: Einai h tetarth fora poy o Yfypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Doykas oysiastika diaforopoieitai plhrws apo thn kybernhsh. Sas qymizw thn ypoqesh gia thn ejetastikh toy Xrhmatisthrioy, to epidoma qermanshs, th sfixth oikonomikh politikh poy o idios eixe zhthsei kai twra hrqe to epidoma LAFKA. Qa hqela na moy peite, tiqetai qema apopomphs toy, opws akribws egine kai me ton k. Tsitoyridh apo thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, den symfwnw me th genikologh topoqethsh poy kanate. Qa exete asfalws plhroforhqei oti o k. Basileios Goylas, o opoios me dikh toy prwtoboylia apesyre thn prosfygh toy gia to LAFKA, ypebale thn paraithsh toy ston k. Doyka, h opoia kai egine dekth. O k. Goylas, kata dhlwsh toy, edrase me proswpikh toy epilogh kai synepws analambanei to baros ths eyqynhs twn prajewn toy.

SARANTAKOS: Kata synepeia, qelete na peite oti o k. Goylas profanws den eixe enhmerwsei ton Proistameno toy ton k. Doyka gia thn kinhsh toy;

ANTWNAROS: Qa doqei se ligo synenteyjh apo ton k. Alogoskoyfh, o opoios qa anaferqei analytika sto qema.

SARANTAKOS: H kybernhsh anagnwrizei oti yparxoyn politikes eyqynes toy k. Doyka se o,ti afora ayto to xeirismo ths sygkekrimenhs ypoqeshs, otan th stigmh poy telesidikei h agwgh, h prosfygh toy k. Goyla thn aposyrei; Yparxoyn politikes eyqynes kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: H aposyrsh ths sygkekrimenhs prosfyghs den ephreazei ekatontades alles prosfyges, oi opoies prokeitai na ekdikastoyn. Synepws, ekeino poy metra einai h desmeysh ths kybernhshs. Ayth th desmeysh sas epibebaiwsa molis.

SARANTAKOS: Gnwrizei h kybernhsh poso xrono qa xreiastoyn oi prosfyges poy einai se ejelijh gia na fqasoyn sto shmeio poy eixe ftasei h prosfygh toy k. Goyla;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynete thn eidikh ayth erwthsh ston k. Alogoskoyfh.

IWANNOY: Gia logoys hqikhs, pisteyete oti qa eprepe na apotrecei o k. Doykas ton k. Goyla apo to na aposyrei thn prosfygh, dedomenoy oti o idios o k. Doykas eipe xqes ston ANT-1 oti gnwrize apo to steno synergath toy gia thn kinhsh, thn prwtoboylia toy. Eprepe na ton apotrecei;

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei h apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs na kanei prajh ayto gia to opoio exei desmeytei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, afoy einai proeklogikh desmeysh kai qa to thrhsei, giati den@

ANTWNAROS: Den apoteloyn proeklogikh desmeysh ta anadromika, proekycan argotera. Proeklogikh desmeysh ths Neas Dhmokratias -h opoia kai amesws molis anelabe th diakybernhsh h Nea Dhmokratia thn ekane prajh- einai h katarghsh toy LAFKA.

PALAIOLOGOS: Efoson desmeyetai h kybernhsh na ylopoihsei thn ypoqesh ayth, sthn periptwsh poy telesidikhsei h poy yparjei ametaklhth apofash, giati den probainei se mia kinhsh kaqara politikh; Na kanei nomo gia na plhrwqoyn ta anadromika toy LAFKA.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei analabei sygkekrimenh desmeysh, mesa se sygkekrimeno plaisio, thn opoia kai qa thrhsei. Ayth h desmeysh, ean anatrejete se dhlwseis diaforwn stelexwn ths kybernhshs, exei ginei me panomoiotypo tropo toys teleytaioys mhnes. Ejakoloyqei na isxyei -opws sas eipa- sto akeraio.

POYLIDOY: O k. Goylas ypebale thn paraithsh toy ston k. Doyka. O k. Doykas ypebale thn paraithsh toy ston Prwqypoyrgo; Dioti, edw yparxei ena gaitanaki eyqynwn. Den teleiwsan ston k. Goyla.

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy prokyptei oti o k. Doykas ypebale thn paraithsh toy; Eipa egw kati tetoio;

POYLIDOY: Oxi. Sas rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw me anterwthsh.

POYLIDOY: Politiko qema den yparxei gia thn kybernhsh, otan h proistamenh politikh arxh emfanizetai na agnoei mia prajh, h opoia exei pollaplasiastikes politikes parenergeies;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti h kybernhsh endiaferetai gia to apotelesma. Efoson prokycei h sygkekrimenh apofash, oi syntajioyxoi qa paroyn ta anadromika, opws exoyme desmeytei. Ayto einai poy metra.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, polles fores h diadikasia einai oysia. Den einai mono to apotelesma oysia. Einai kai h diadikasia.

ANTWNAROS: Perimenoyme thn ekdosh mias dikastikhs apofashs.

GKOYTZANHS: Hdh, oi syntajioyxoi einai ejw apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn kai diamartyrontai gia thn ejelijh thn opoia, opws lete, den eixe sxesh h kybernhsh, enw ekeinoi den sas pisteyoyn. Problhmatizei ayto thn kybernhsh; Mhpws o k. Goylas proebh se mia tetoia energeia, prokeimenoy na prokalesei politikh fqora sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na parakoloyqhsw tis skeceis poy kanete. Ayto poy sas lew einai oti epanabebaiwnoyme th safh desmeysh mas, gia mia akomh fora pros toys syntajioyxoys. Ayto gia to opoio exoyme desmeytei, qa ginei.

GKOYTZANHS: Eixe zhthqei to sygkekrimeno qema gia to LAFKA se syskech sto Megaro Majimoy me th symmetoxh koryfaiwn ypoyrgwn;

ANTWNAROS: Poio qema;

GKOYTZANHS: Pws qa metaferei xronika thn katabolh twn anadromikwn twn LAFKA h kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi.

SIDERHS: Sygnwmh gia to makabrio ths ekfrashs, alla epeidh yparxoyn diaprepeis dikhgoroi poy asxoloyntai me ta ergatika kai lene oti ayto qa ginei, to telesidiko ths apofashs, to 2007, 2008, endexomenws kai to 2009, qa sas rwtoysa pws qa steilete ayta ta anadromika, me courier ston paradeiso se kapoioys apo toys syntajioyxoys;

ANTWNAROS: Einai ontws makabrio ayto poy lete.

SIDERHS: Einai, omws, mia pragmatikothta. Me allh ekfrash to eipan tosoi sta paraqyra kai ek meroys twn dikwn sas stelexwn.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, xwris na mporei na prodikasei pote qa ginei ektelesth mia apofash, eixe analabei th desmeysh na kataballei ayta ta anadromika. Antiqetws, alloi oi opoioi koptontai, eixan katadikasei toys Ellhnes syntajioyxoys na plhrwnoyn to LAFKA, to opoio emeis katarghsame, mexri to telos toy 2007. Synepws, h kybernhsh apallaje apaj kai dia pantos toys Ellhnes syntajioyxoys apo to LAFKA. Anelabe epiprosqeta, xwris na exei tetoia proeklogikh desmeysh, thn ypoxrewsh, molis yparjei mia ektelesth apofash, na katabalei stoys syntajioyxoys ta anadromika. Ayto einai poy exei shmasia. Kai oi Ellhnes syntajioyxoi to gnwrizoyn poly kala.

MPOTSARAKOS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh anelabe na dwsei ta anadromika otan qa yparjei ektelesth, dikastikh apofash. Yparxei, omws, ena gegonos: Synergaths toy armodioy Yfypoyrgoy synebale me energeia toy, etsi wste ayth h synergasia na paei poly makria sto mellon kai ap` oso gnwrizoyme qa perasoyn toylaxiston dyo xronia gia na fqasei sto idio epipedo h Dikaiosynh na krinei to qema. Den yparxei politiko qema otan h kybernhsh analambanei mia sygkekrimenh desmeysh kai me thn energeia enos synergath yfypoyrgoy h ylopoihsh ayths ths desmeyshs phgainei dyo xronia meta; Den yparxei politiko qema;

ANTWNAROS: Den symfwnw me ton xroniko prosdiorismo poy kanete. Yparxoyn kai alles prosfyges poy eixan ypoblhqei ston idio xrono peripoy. As perimenoyme, loipon, thn ekdikash toys.

XONDROS: Kalese o k. Doykas ton k. Goyla na toy zhthsei ejhghseis; Kai ti toy eipe; Giati edw den milame gia enan aplo syntajioyxo. Milame gia to Dieyqynth Grafeioy Yfypoyrgoy kai malista toy kaq` ylhn armodioy gi ayta ta qemata. Ton kalese kai feygei paraitoymenos kai den feygei diwkomenos gia na deijei h kybernhsh oti exei mia antidrash. Dioti edw yparxei enas sysxetismos poy leei oti o k. Goylas efyge paraitoymenos apo mia qesh, afoy prwta prosefere sthn kybernhsh dyo xronia periodo xaritos, gia na dwsei ta anadromika.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete kai eseis anafora se kapoio diasthma dyo etwn, poy qa moy epitrecete na pw oti ayqaireta xrhsimopoihqhkan. Den eimai sigoyros oti einai opws ta paroysiazete. Oson afora ton sygkekrimeno kyrio, o opoios apesyre thn prosfygh, yparxei h dhlwsh toy. Parakalw na th diabasete. Leei oti me proswpikh toy epilogh ekane ayto poy ekane, kai synepws ypebale thn paraithsh toy, h opoia egine apodekth.

XONDROS: Ejhghseis edwse gia to qema poy dhmioyrghse sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ekane profanws laqos ektimhsh. Parakalw na diabasete thn anakoinwsh toy.

XONDROS: Yparxoyn proswpikes politikes anqrwpwn poy einai dieyqyntes Grafeiwn Ypoyrgwn;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi.

SIDERHS: O Yfypoyrgos den ekane laqos ektimhsh; Akoysa ayto poy eipe h ka Iwannoy, oti o Yfypoyrgos to hjere mia ebdomada prin. Giati den apetrece h giati den apepemce ton sygkekrimeno synergath toy kai h kybernhsh kat epektash xrewnetai ayto to politiko kostos;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs qa dwsei synenteyjh Typoy se peripoy mish wra. Parakalw na apeyqynete ta erwthmata sas ston armodio Ypoyrgo.

PAPAGIANNHS: Mexri stigmhs se erwthseis synadelfwn den exete pei oti tiqetai qema paraithshs h apopomphs toy k. Doyka. Katalaba kala;

ANTWNAROS: Den apasxolhse thn kybernhsh tetoio qema.

PAPAGIANNHS: O Petros Doykas, stis 23 Dekembrioy 2004, kaloyse toys syntajioyxoys na mhn jodeyqoyn stoys dikhgoroys. Eseis, omws, shmera syndeete thn katabolh twn anadromikwn me dikastikh apofash.

ANTWNAROS: Sthn anakoinwsh ekeinh thn opoia nomizw oti exw kai edw, anaferetai metajy twn allwn: Efoson epelqei dikastikh apofash, h kybernhsh desmeyetai na katabalei stoys syntajioyxoys -kai se ekeinoys oi opoioi den exoyn prosfygei- ta anadromika, efoson anhkoyn sthn idia kathgoria. Ayto ejakoloyqei na isxyei sto akeraio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Pote enhmerwqhke o armodios Ypoyrgos Oikonomias gia thn energeia toy Dieyqynth toy Politikoy Grafeioy toy k. Doyka;

ANTWNAROS: Se mish wra qa exete thn eykairia na rwthsete ton idio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo th stigmh poy enhmerwqhke o k. Doykas gia thn energeia toy yfistamenoy toy, enhmerwqhke o Prwqypoyrgos gi ayth thn energeia;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai enhmeros gia tis ejelijeis sto qema ayto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo pote;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwqhke egkairws.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai den zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos estw thn paraithsh toy k. Doyka;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa epanelqw sto qema ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh ta exei ayta ta lefta gia na ta dwsei;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei analabei th desmeysh, otan prokycei to gegonos, to opoio epaneilhmmena anefera shmera sthn aiqoysa, na katabalei stoys dikaioyxoys ta anadromika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Efoson exei ayth thn proqesh, giati den ta dinei na teleiwnoyme;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei analabei sygkekrimenh desmeysh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, dikastikh apofash lete.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei analabei sygkekrimenh desmeysh, me sygkekrimenes parametroys, opws epaneilhmmenws sas exw pei. H desmeysh ayth isxyei etsi opws akribws einai katagegrammenh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Thn kybernhsh oi xqesines ejelijeis thn ikanopoioyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw se ayth thn erwthsh. Ti paei na pei, thn ikanopoioyn;

GKOYTZANHS: Tiqetai ena qema ajiopistias ths kybernhshs apo ola ayta, kyrie Ekproswpe, gi` ayto rwtoyme gia to praktiko toy pragmatos.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh o,ti exei pei, qa to thrhsei sto akeraio. O xeirismos enos memonwmenoy atomoy, den mporei na rijei thn paramikrh skia sthn politikh ths kybernhshs, h opoia ylopoieitai se polloys kai shmantikoys tomeis.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Xronikos orizontas gia na ylopoihqei ayth h desmeysh yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Opws exoyme pei apo thn arxh, h desmeysh ejartatai apo th dikastikh apofash. Ayto einai to kombiko xroniko shmeio, to opoio qa odhghsei kai sthn ylopoihsh ths desmeyshs ths kybernhshs.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Endexetai na einai kai sto telos@

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa prin.

TRIKAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prwton, yparxei kai qema paragrafhs ayths ths ypoqeshs, poy sxetizetai bebaia me to xrono. Ean o k. Goylas proxwroyse kanonika, as to poyme sxhmatika apo ayrio, oi syntajioyxoi qa epairnan ayta ta xrhmata. Twra, lene -oxi emeis, alla nomikoi poy asxoloyntai me to Ergatiko- oti qa paei meta apo dyo xronia toylaxiston. Deyteron, poses fores eixe xrhsimopoihsei h Nea Dhmokratia thn ekfrash ``h gynaika toy Kaisaros k.lp., k.lp.''. Den tairiazei kai s` ayth thn periptwsh; @Oti, dhladh, prepei na peisete pws den yparxei kapoia symfwnia katw apo to trapezi gia na mh doqoyn twra ta xrhmata;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai den yparxei tetoia symfwnia. H paragrafh einai ena eidiko qema. Apo thn enhmerwsh poy eixa, me diabebaiwnoyn oti den yparxei qema paragrafhs. Parakalw, omws, na apeyqynqeite ston armodio Ypoyrgo gia plhresterh kai leptomeresterh apanthsh.

LEONTITSH: Eipate oti h desmeysh sxetizetai me th dikastikh apofash. Giati, loipon, oi syntajioyxoi prepei na enapoqesoyn tis elpides toys se opoia dikastikh apofash, h opoia kaneis den apokleiei oti qa mporei na einai diaforetikh sto mellon kai oxi se mia sygkekrimenh desmeysh gia nomoqetikh prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. H kybernhsh eixe analabei proeklogika sygkekrimenh desmeysh, thn opoia kai ylopoihse amesws. To allo, einai qema poy proekyce sth diadromh. Topoqethqhke h kybernhsh kai isxyei h desmeysh ths, opws akribws eixe diatypwqei tote. Qa proxwrhsoyme sthn ylopoihsh ths, ean kai efoson yparjei dikastikh apofash.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate prohgoymenws, apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh, oti den yparxoyn yphresiakoi paragontes h dieyqyntes grafeiwn Ypoyrgwn poy akoloyqoyn dikh toys politikh. Ap` ayto -kai peite an kanw laqos sto symperasma moy- prokyptei ena qema toy Proistamenoy toy sygkekrimenoy, toy k. Goyla. Efoson den kanei proswpikh politikh o Dieyqynths toy k. Doyka, profanws ylopoiei kapoies apofaseis toy Yfypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: Opws eipa prohgoymenws, den noeitai sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh, se ena tetoio qema, kapoios ypallhlos na kanei proswpikh politikh. Otan kanei proswpikh politikh, yfistatai tis synepeies.

PEPONHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate prohgoymenws oti to PASOK pareteine dyo fores sthn ypoxrewsh ayth, katabolhs toy LAFKA, kakws kat` eme. Den mas eipate omws, pote qesmoqethqhke to LAFKA kai gia poio skopo.

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw.

PEPONHS: Nomizw oti qesmoqethqhke epi Neas Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw.

XONDROS: Ayto einai gnwsto. Einai gnwsto pote qesmoqethqhke.

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei poios to katarghse. Epishs, shmasia exei poios kaloyse aney logoy toys Ellhnes syntajioyxoys na kataballoyn xrhmata ta opoia den eprepe na kataballoyn.

XONDROS: Kai ayto poy lete exei shmasia, alla einai gnwsto oti kaqierwqhke epi kybernhshs Mhtsotakhs.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

SIDERHS: Den katalaba kati se sxesh me thn proteleytaia sas frash. Eipate, opoios kanei proswpikh politikh, yfistatai tis synepeies. O sygkekrimenos ypallhlos, poy htan politikh h qesh toy, ti synepeies ypesth;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den akoysate ti akribws eipa. Den einai pleon ypallhlos.

SIDERHS: Den einai synepeia. Epilogh einai.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PAPAGIANNHS: Xqes, se dyo thleoptikoys staqmoys, epiblhqhke barytato xrhmatiko prostimo apo to ESR gia apokalyceis, oi opoies omws sthn poreia epibebaiwqhkan. Milw gia ta ekklhsiastika qemata. Me ayto ton tropo antimetwpizei h kybernhsh thn eleyqerh dhmosiografikh ekfrash;

ANTWNAROS: Apo poion epiblhqhkan oi poines;

PAPAGIANNHS: Apo to ESR, poy einai anejarthth Arxh. To gnwrizoyme ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Einai anejarthth Arxh. Den mporei na parembainei kata boylhsin h kybernhsh.

PAPAGIANNHS: Eseis symfwneite h diafwneite;

ANTWNAROS: Den protiqemai na krinw energeies, prajeis h apofaseis anejarthtwn Arxwn, qesmoqethmenwn apo to Syntagma.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai loipon; Den ypokeintai se kanenan elegxo oi anejarthtes dioikhtikes Arxes; Einai ekxwrhsh mias dioikhtikhs armodiothtas apo thn kybernhsh kai den ypokeintai se kanenan elegxo;

ANTWNAROS: Ws dhmosiografos, mporeite na kanete ta sxolia poy epilegete. Ta sxolia poy qa kanw egw, qa moy epitrecete na ta epilegw o idios.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes, o Synaspismos -kai to eqese kai sth Boylh- zhthse kai symfwnhse s` ayto kai to PASOK, na ginei diaxeiristikos elegxos se oles tis Mhtropoleis. Yphrxe, profanws, ena diadikastiko qema sth Boylh, wstoso to erwthma einai politiko. H kybernhsh, mexri stigmhs, to arneitai ayto. Giati; Qa synexisei;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

GKOYTZANHS: H Nea Dhmokratia, palaiotera, eixe symmetasxei sto dhmochfisma ths Ekklhsias gia tis taytothtes. Mhpws twra h kybernhsh skopeyei na symmetasxei stis agrypnies poy skopeyei na kanei o k. Xristodoylos thn epomenh ebdomada, gia to qema ths krishs sthn Ekklhsia;

ANTWNAROS: O kaqe @Ellhnas poliths metexei opoy ekeinos krinei oti qelei na metexei.

MPOTSARAKOS: Thn wra, loipon, poy me mia energeia politikoy stelexoys toy kybernwntos kommatos anaballetai h ylopoihsh ths desmeyshs ths kybernhshs, rwtw an qa yparjei tropologia apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias gia na ejaireqei apo toys isologismoys toy 2004 h epixorhghsh 430 ekatom. eyrw peripoy, etsi wste na mhn einai o isologismos elleimmatikos.

ANTWNAROS: Rwthsate kai xqes. Nomizw oti prolabainete th synenteyjh Typoy sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias gia na qesete to erwthma sas ston k. Alogoskoyfh.

MPOTSARAKOS: H kybernhsh, loipon, symfwnei me mia tetoia tropologia;

ANTWNAROS: To erwthma sas einai poly eidiko. Parakalw na to qesete ston k. Alogoskoyfh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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