Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-01-14

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Aqhna, 14 Ianoyarioy 2005

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: O k. Mixaloliakos einai akoma sthn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai.

BLAXOS: Den yparxei qema, dhladh;

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto parelqon kathgoroysate to PASOK gia kaqestwtismo. Xqes, egine agrotikh syskech. Symmeteixan ypoyrgoi, yfypoyrgoi, boyleytes kai agrotosyndikalistes ths Neas Dhmokratias. Den einai ayto kaqestwtikh nootropia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws, den qymaste -den ennow oti h erwthsh enexei kapoia skopimothta, gia na mhn parejhghqw- oti eixe prohghqei syskech twn agrotosyndikalistwn prin apo arketes hmeres, sth Qessalia. S` aythn oi idioi kalesan toys boyleytes na paristantai sth synanthsh poy qa eixan me ton armodio Ypoyrgo. Oi boyleytes kaqe nomoy, oxi mono apo to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla olwn twn kommatwn, eklhqhsan na erqoyn wste na yposthrijoyn mazi me toys syndikalistes ta aithmata toys.

SIDERHS: Den eklhqhsan bebaia tote, se ekeines tis syskeceis, antiqetws me osa lete, boyleytes kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa oti egine mia syskech @ syneleysh, ths opoias h apofash htan ayth poy gnwrizoyme.

SIDERHS: Yparxei sebasmos pros tis katastatikes arxes to na caxnei o Prwqypoyrgos na brei krebati sthn Entatikh gia kapoion asqenh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw poy anafereste.

SIDERHS: Shmera to prwi poy phge o Prwqypoyrgos sthn Eyaggelismo, kapoios ton plhsiase kai toy eipe oti ``o adelfos moy xreiazetai krebati sthn Entatikh''. Kai eipe o Prwqypoyrgos ``qa merimnhsw''. Den ton parepemce sta armodia organa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Synebh to entelws antiqeto. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe stoys armodioys poy htan parontes, na frontisoyn wste na epilyqei to problhma enos Ellhna polith. Makari polloi prwqypoyrgoi kai sto parelqon kai sto mellon na briskontai toso konta ston Ellhna polith kai sta problhmata toy.

BLAXOS: To gegonos, omws, oti enas poliths gia na brei to dikio toy kai na swsei ena diko toy anqrwpo, o opoios einai me barytato egkefaliko se ena aplo krebati, prepei na zhthsei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo na mesolabhsei kai mexri prin apo liga lepta poy thlefwnhsa egw ston adelfo toy, den eixe breqei akomh krebati sthn Entatikh, kanei thn politikh hgesia toy topoy, sto synolo ths, na einai yperhfanh gia to koinwniko kratos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Enas poliths den ftanei ston Prwqypoyrgo, opws to anaferate, alla o Prwqypoyrgos phge konta stoys polites. O Prwqypoyrgos episkefqhke ton Eyaggelismo, gia na elegjei ean h ypoqesh me ta rantza, etsi opws ryqmisthke apo aythn thn kybernhsh, exei apotelesmatikothta. Kai exei megalh apotelesmatikothta. Qa sas epanalabw mono to stoixeio to opoio hdh anefere kai o Prwqypoyrgos: Mexri twra yphrxan se efhmeries gyrw sta 100 @ 150 rantza kaqhmerina. Twra ta rantza exoyn meiwqei se 15 @ 20 majimoym kai thn epomenh to prwi den yparxei kanena rantzo me to neo systhma poy efarmose ayth h kybernhsh sebomenh toys polites. Ta problhmata me tis entatikes monades (MEQ) einai gnwsta. Exoyme prospaqhsei na ta epilysoyme kai synexizoyme na prospaqoyme. Paralabame mia seira pollwn kai megalwn problhmatwn, idiaitera sta nosokomeia, ta opoia h prohgoymenh kybernhsh frontise na kataxrewsei polles fores. Paralabame mia seira problhmatwn sxetika me thn elleich noshleytikoy proswpikoy. Exei, hdh, anakoinwqei apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo h proslhch noshleytikoy proswpikoy entos toy 2005. Kaneis den mporei na ejaleicei plhrws ta problhmata, se kamia xwra toy kosmoy. Shmasia exei, omws, to oti egkyptei kai o Prwqypoyrgos o idios, alla kai h politikh hgesia, en synolw, sta problhmata ayta kai prospaqei na brei lyseis. Kai briskei lyseis, opws exei hdh apodeixqei.

BLAXOS: H parhgoria, dhladh, se ena syggenh poy blepei ton 52xrono adelfo toy na sbhnei, einai oti ftaiei to PASOK gia o,ti trabaei aytos o anqrwpos shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakaloysa poly, oi apanthseis moy na mhn tygxanoyn parermhneiwn.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, ayto eipate: oti paralabate problhmata, yperxrewmenes nosokomeiakes monades. Ara, aytos o adelfos poy agwnia gia thn tyxh toy adelfoy toy, th monh parhgoria poy toy dinete twra, giati akomh den exei breqei krebati, einai oti ftaiei to PASOK. Kai egw rwtw: An sth qesh aytoy toy kyrioy, htan enas boyleyths h enas ypoyrgos, qa perimene na brei meta apo treis hmeres entatikh monada gia na balei ton adelfo toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O laikismos einai poly eykolo na xrhsimopoihqei kai na ajiopoihqei. Omws, einai pantote bebaio oti odhgei se laqos symperasmata. Qewrw, loipon, oti to problhma poy paralabame einai megalo. To gnwrizoyn oi Ellhnes polites. Gnwrizoyn tis prospaqeies poy exei kanei ayth h kybernhsh. Gnwrizoyn oti gia prwth fora, meta apo polla xronia, thn epomenh mera ths efhmerias enos nosokomeioy, den yparxei oyte ena rantzo ekei poy yphrxan 150. To oti lynetai mesa se ennea mhnes apo mia nea kybernhsh ena problhma etwn, synista mia shmantikh prosfora ston Ellhna polith. Kai gi` ayto ejelegh ayth h kybernhsh: Gia na prosferei kai na brisketai konta sta problhmata toy polith. Me th shmerinh toy energeia, o Prwqypoyrgos to apedeije gia mia akomh fora.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me ton k. Mixaloliako: Einai melos ths kybernhshs, omws xrhsimopoihse ekfraseis oi opoies den synadoyn me ayto poy exei pei o k. Karamanlhs peri neoy hqoys kai yfoys. Exete kapoio sxolio gi` aytes tis ekfraseis poy xrhsimopoihse, opws lene epishmws me epistolh poy esteilan oi syndikalistes ths DAKE ston Prwqypoyrgo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema exei kleisei. Apanthqhke xqes apo ton k. Antwnaro.

KAKALHS: Poios einai o logos poy ton Prwqypoyrgo stoys elegxoys, opws eipate, pragmatopoiei sta nosokomeia kai stis dhmosies yphresies ton synodeyoyn ta kanalia kai oi thleoptikes kameres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O idios poy htan kai proeklogika kai paramenei kai enw einai Prwqypoyrgos. Prwton, se o,ti afora sthn politikh, apodeiknyei enan Prwqypoyrgo o opoios kanei prajh tis desmeyseis toy. Kai deyteron, se o,ti afora sto rolo gia ton opoio ton chfisan oi Ellhnes polites kai einai Prwqypoyrgos ayths ths xwras, ennoei na ergazetai eyriskomenos poly konta stoys polites.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ayto to rolo ths kaqhmerinothtas, san to shmerino poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos, exw mia aporia enos aploy polith. Giati den ton paizoyn oi Ypoyrgoi, poy se polla ypoyrgeia, se polloys xwroys parathreitai, qa elega, asynepeia twn ergazomenwn, h kratikh mhxanh den doyleyei, einai mono h parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, dhladh qa kanei ayto to rolo; Oi ypoyrgoi toy giati den exoyn mia tetoia dynatothta h mia tetoia aktinobolia na perasoyn ena tetoio mhnyma pros ta ejw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn adikeite toys Ypoyrgoys. Milwntas gia ta nosokomeia, polles fores o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Kaklamanhs exei kanei oxi aplws episkeceis, alla kai parembaseis sthn kaqhmerinh praktikh. Gia na ftasei, allwste, na dwsei kaneis mia lysh, prepei na exei zhsei kai na exei dei apo konta to problhma. Polles fores, loipon, polloi ypoyrgoi kanoyn ayto to opoio ekane shmera o Prwqypoyrgos.

BLAXOS: Pantws, mexri prin apo liga lepta o Prwqypoyrgos den eixe dwsei lysh. Oyte kan o Prwqypoyrgos den mporei na dwsei lysh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Jekinhsate thn erwthsh sas, egkalwntas me, giati o Prwqypoyrgos parembainei se ena tetoio qema. Apofasiste poio apo ta dyo isxyei.

BLAXOS: Den ekana egw ayth thn erwthsh. Eipa oti swsta o Prwqypoyrgos parenebh, alla akomh den exei lysei to problhma toy. Den nomizw oti kaqe poliths xreiazetai ton Prwqypoyrgo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete hdh labei apanthsh kai malista emperistatwmenh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epi hmeres qetw to qema pws qa antidrasei h ellhnikh kybernhsh stis dhlwseis Poytin, meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ton k. Erntogan, oson afora to Kypriako. H apanthsh poy pairnw einai oti den eixate thn plhrh dhlwsh toy k. Poytin sta xeria sas. Ayth th stigmh, yparxei h plhrhs dhlwsh, thn exw ki egw. Epomenws, poia einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, oson afora tis dhlwseis Poytin; Froneite, dhladh, oti h rwsikh politikh allazei sto Kypriako, meta apo aytes tis dhlwseis h isxyei h idia qesh poy isxye mexri shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fronoyme oti h rwsikh politikh diakrinetai apo synepeia kai synexeia. Oi sygkekrimenes dhlwseis stis opoies anafereste den synistoyn apoklish. Allwste, qelw na qymisw oti sth dhlwsh toy o k. Poytin milhse yper enos enwmenoy nhsioy, se mia dikaih lysh, h opoia prepei na breqei, katopin synomiliwn sto plaisio toy OHE.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Mhn jexnate oti o k. Poytin eixe aporricei to sxedio Anan. Twra to yposthrizei asmenws kai gia prwth fora mila gia xrhmatodothsh twn Toyrkokypriwn ektos kypriakhs kybernhshs. Ayto einai to oysiwdes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na mhn kanw kanena allo sxolio, peran aytoy.

TSIODRAS: Sxetika me toys agrotes. Se periptwsh poy lhfqei apofash na kateboyn ta trakter kai na kleisoyn oi dromoi, tote oi syndikalistes ths N.D. qa diagrafoyn apo to komma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis. Den exw kanena logo na kanw ejairesh, shmera.

TSIODRAS: Ayto den einai ypoqetikh erwthsh. Se dhlwseis toys, xqes, eipan oti qa kateboyn stoys dromoys. Einai dedhlwmenh h proqesh toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy kanate mia ypoqetikh erwthsh. To ``qa katebw stoys dromoys'' h ``qa kanw kinhtopoihseis stoys dromoys'', den shmainei oti ``qa toys kleisw''. Oson afora to kleisimo twn dromwn, gnwrizete oti h politikh mas einai staqerh apo tote poy eimaste sthn antipoliteysh. Thn exw epanalabei kai se ayth thn aiqoysa.

TSIODRAS: Sxetika me to shmerino ranteboy toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Xristodoyloy. Giati den ginetai sto Megaro Majimoy kai ginetai sth Rafhna;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ranteboy sto plaisio koinwnikwn sxesewn. Den einai ranteboy gia na syzhthqoyn problhmata h alla zhthmata ths Ekklhsias ths Ellados. Opws gnwrizete kai sto parelqon exoyn ginei antistoixes synanthseis, deipna h geymata, me ton Arxiepiskopo, apo tote poy o Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs htan arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh me th sympleysh me to PASOK kai th sthrijh poy prosferei sthn kybernhsh, apenanti sta dikaia aithmata twn agrotwn kai tis kinhtopoihseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den zhthsame th sthrijh apo to PASOK. Ayto poy eipame polles fores jekaqara einai oti qa perimename kaqenas na katanohsei oti h kybernhsh, apo opoiodhpote komma ki an proerxetai, den mporei na paranomhsei.

KAKALHS: Xarh sthn politikh kai ta metra poy phre h kybernhsh thn prohgoymenh xronia, to eisodhma twn agrotwn exei pesei, symfwna me ta epishma stoixeia ths ESYE kata 2,5%, an den kanw laqos. H kybernhsh skopeyei na synexisei thn idia politikh poy odhgei toys agrotes na fygoyn apo ta xwria toys kai na mazeytoyn sta astika kentra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H politikh thn opoia exei akoloyqhsei h kybernhsh ston agrotiko tomea kai idiaitera sto qema twn epidothsewn, to opoio einai kai sthn epikairothta, einai mia politikh poy dinei anasa stoys Ellhnes agrotes. Einai mia politikh poy toys bohqa poly perissotero apo o,ti sto parelqon, se megalytero baqos xronoy. Zhthmata poy aforoyn thn efarmogh ths politikhs apo ton Proypologismo toy 2004, gnwrizete oti exoyn diorqwqei kai diorqwnontai ston Proypologismo toy 2005.

SIDERHS: Me aformh th shmerinh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Arxiepiskopo, ti qa ginei me tis taytothtes; Den qa faneite asynepeis ston Arxiepiskopo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei o,ti sas exw pei stis prohgoymenes erwthseis kai qa isxyei kai stis epomenes.

BLAXOS: Mas to qymizete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas to aposteilw.

BLAXOS: Den to qymaste oyte eseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes, oi ekproswpoi twn agrotwn, opws kai oi boyleytes toy kommatos, phgan se ena dialogo me ton ypoyrgo kai ypebalan kapoia aithmata. H kybernhsh ti apanta; Aporriptei ayta ta aithmata. Antiproteinei kati stoys agrotes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to qema ayto ekane dhlwsh o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Mpasiakos. Eipe oti hdh eginan 53.000 elegxoi apo toys 80.000 paragwgoys. Oi elegxoi qa synexistoyn me pio entatikoys ryqmoys, etsi wste na yparxei pio safhs kai antikeimenikh apotypwsh ths pragmatikhs paragwghs prokeimenoy na mhn adikhqei kaneis.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara, eixan yparjei atasqalies, wste na mporei @.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti qa synexistoyn oi elegxoi. Kai qa ginoyn akoma perissoteroi.

GKOYTZANHS: Epanelegxoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Elegxoi.

BLAXOS: Den qa kleisete telika tis efhmerides;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den fantazeste poso xairomai poy moy kanete ayth thn erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Ws dhmosiografos h ws politikos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xairomai giati qa perimena, prwton, h kritikh poy askeitai sthn ypoqesh ayth na lambanei ypoch ths kai kati allo: Thn pragmatikothta poy isxyei me to nomo 3021, ton opoio fainetai oti kapoioi agnooyn @ den aitiologoyntai omws @ h kapoioi hqelhmena agnooyn. O nomos toy PASOK toy 2002 proeblepe kleisimo twn efhmeridwn gia ena xrono, ean yphrxe parabiash toy. Emeis, loipon, sth Boylh proteiname sthn epitroph, katopin eishghsews toy KKE, na meiwqei aytos o xronos mexri ton ena mhna, ean kaq` ypotrophn kapoia epixeirhsh parabiaze to nomo. Dhlwsame xqes sthn epitroph oti akomh kai ayto qa to doyme sthn Olomeleia, deixnontas akribws poia einai h skech mas apenanti sth leitoyrgia toy Typoy, h opoia prostateyetai syntagmatikws. Otan, loipon, epi tria xronia, oydeis enoxlhqhke poy o prohgoymenos nomos proeblepe kleisimo twn efhmeridwn gia ena xrono, erxetai mia kybernhsh, apodexomenh protash ths aristeras kai meiwnei, ontws, ayto to diasthma se ena mhna. H idia kybernhsh erxetai kai leei, na to doyme kai na mhn einai enas mhnas, alla na breqoyn alloy eidoys kyrwseis -giati fantazomai den yparxei kaneis poy na pisteyei oti opoios parabiazei nomo, den prepei na ypostei kai tis synepeies toy nomoy. Den einai kaneis yperanw toy nomoy. To na diabazw h na akoyw kritikh oti ayth h kybernhsh kleinei efhmerides, pera apo parelkystikh, einai kai enoxlhtikh. Kai den milw ws prwhn dhmosiografos, mono.

BLAXOS: Egw xairomai para poly gia thn apanthsh poy mas dwsate, giati qymamai oti ws dhmosiografos eixate antidrasei mazi me oloys emas, entonotata, otan kapoioi dieyqyntes prin deka xronia kai parapanw, eixan egkleistei ston Korydallo giati parabiasan to nomo. Twra omws exete allh apoch.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paramenw stis idies apoceis.

BLAXOS: Oxi. Eipate oti prepei na timwreite opoios parabiazei to nomo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Peite moy sas parakalw, pote kai poios enoxlhqhke kai milhse dhmosiws gia to oti h prohgoymenh kybernhsh ekleine tis efhmerides gia ena xrono, symfwna me ton N. 3021. Otan erxetai to KKE me mia qetikh protash kai leei ``meiwste epiteloys ayton ton ena xrono poy problepei o nomos toy PASOK'' kai amesws kai asmenws leme na ton meiwsoyme ews ena mhna kai thn epomenh kiolas, otan epanerxetai to qema sth syzhthsh, leme na ejetasoyme endexomenws thn epibolh allwn kyrwsewn, giati @janalew@ den pisteyw na yparxei kanenas se ayto ton topo h se ayth thn aiqoysa poy na pisteyei oti opoios parabiazei nomo, den prepei na exei kyrwseis. Kai exoyme problecei sto nomo ayto, oti h kaq` ypotrophn parabiash apo epixeirhsh toy nomoy qa prepei na timwrhqei. Na broyme poia qa einai h poinh kai h timwria, giati panta enas nomos exei kai toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys kai thn epibolh poinhs kai timwrias gia opoiodhpote qema. Otan epi tria xronia oydeis milhse, oydeis enoxlhqhke -siwphsan polloi apo aytoys poy shmera fwnazoyn- erxetai mia kybernhsh na allajei to kaqestws ayto yper toy Typoy, den antilambanomai aytoy toy eidoys thn epiqetikh kritikh, oxi apo thn erwthsh sas, alla apo kapoia entypa, opws th diabasa shmera. Kai nomizw oti einai poly jekaqarh h qesh mas.

BLAXOS: Pantws h antidrash, an prepei na timwreitai kapoios poy parabiazei ena nomo h oxi, ejartatai apo to nomo. Giati an o nomos einai kataxrhstikos, ofeilei kapoios na antidrasei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An enas nomos einai kataxrhstikos, yparxoyn ta armodia organa ths Politeias na to apofasisoyn. O monos nomos poy ayth th stigmh qa eprepe na einai antisyntagmatikos, me bash thn apofash toy tmhmatos toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias, einai o nomos ston opoio anaferqhka prohgoymenws kai ton opoio eixe ferei to PASOK to 2002.

BLAXOS: Eseis den ton katargeite, aplws ton meiwnete. Anti gia ena xrono, ton kanete ena mhna. Einai ligotero PASOK.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai epi th basei twn eishghsewn toy tmhmatos pros thn Olomeleia na frontisei na einai swstos me to gramma kai to pneyma toy Syntagmatos, to arqro14 paragrafos 9 toy Syntagmatos. Pragmata poy eipwqhkan polles hmeres sthn armodia epitroph ths Boylhs.

SOYGLERHS: Mias kai eimaste sthn idia enothta, prosfata eixate dhlwsei oti qa politeyteite. Shmera grafetai ston Typo oti etoimazeste na anoijete to politiko sas grafeio. Eimaste konta se ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai kati poy den afora thn enhmerwsh ws Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

Qelw na kanw mia anafora, giati fantazomoyn oti qa me rwtoysate th Deytera, sas to lew omws apo shmera. Apo to porisma ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia thn promhqeia oplikwn systhmatwn proekycan, symfwna me th gnwmh ths kybernhshs kai opws anaferetai kai sto porisma ths pleiochfias, barytates eyqynes apo prajeis kai paraleiceis ths tote politikhs hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynhs. Prajeis kai paraleiceis poy epeferan th blabh toy dhmosioy. H synexeia, opws problepetai apo ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs, qa doqei sthn olomeleia, me syzhthsh toy porismatos kai h Boylh qa apofasisei.

SIDERHS: H kybernhsh einai yper ths proanakritikhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai gnwsto oti ekkremei h dikastikh syndromh gia to anoigma logariasmwn sthn Elbetia kai stis HPA. Hdh h Kypros apanthse xqes, me toys logariasmoys aytoys. Mia mikrh parenqesh: Milame gia ton idio logariasmo, gia ton opoio o k. Eyaggelos Benizelos @ kai prepei na ejhghsei ston ellhniko lao, giati to eixe pei ayto @ elege sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph oti den einai logariasmos trapezhs, alla ariqmos thlefwnoy. Xqes hrqe o logariasmos aytos, o ypotiqemenos ``ariqmos thlefwnoy'', kata ton k. Benizelo, sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs. Paramenoyme, loipon, sto anoigma logariasmwn sthn Elbetia kai stis HPA kai sto telos ths dikhs, h opoia einai se ejelijh, sth Rwsia, gia thn idia ypoqesh.

SOYGLERHS: Einai synexeia twn dhlwsewn toy k. Tragakh, poy ekane aytes tis dhlwseis gia ton k. Papantwnioy kai ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai Proedros ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Egw milw ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

XIWTHS: Sthn arxh ths anaforas sas eipate oti apo to proanakritiko ergo ths epitrophs proekycan barytates eyqynes, prajeis kai paraleiceis. An moy epitrepete, ayto hdh proanaggellei oti to anakritiko ergo qa prepei na synexistei. Hdh proanaggellete th systash proanakritikhs epitrophs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den einai armodiothta moy, oyte bebaiws ayto poy eipa proanaggellei ayto poy anaferate eseis. Egw sas lew oti ola einai anoixta. Perimenoyme to anoigma twn logariasmwn kai to peras ths dikhs poy ginetai sth Mosxa gia thn idia ypoqesh.

XIWTHS: Otan h kybernhsh dhlwnei oti diapistwqhkan barytates eyqynes, prajeis kai paraleiceis...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ayto to opoio diapistwnei to porisma poy sas epanelaba.

XIWTHS: Akribws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To porisma ths pleyras ths pleiochfias kai twn aristerwn kommatwn.

XIWTHS: Ypoqetw oti isxyei akomh h dhlwsh ths kybernhshs, h opoia polles fores exei epanalhfqei kai se ayth thn aiqoysa oti h kybernhsh tassetai yper ths plhroys dialeykanshs kaqe ypoqeshs poy fqanei ston eisaggelea. Pws mporei na dialeykanqei plhrws mia ypoqesh, ean den diereynhqei peraiterw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas ejhghsa molis prin apo ligo, ti einai ayto to opoio qa perimenoyme.

Eyxaristw poly.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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