Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-11-17

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 17 Noembrioy 2004

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Ayrio, stis 11.30 to prwi, qa pragmatopoihqei h kaqierwmenh, prin apo thn kataqesh toy Proypologismoy, synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kata thn opoia o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Alogoskoyfhs qa paroysiasei en syntomia ta basika shmeia toy Proypologismoy gia to epomeno etos kai o Prwqypoyrgos k. Karamanlhs qa topoqethqei.

Amesws meta o Proypologismos qa katateqei apo ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn sthn Proedro ths Boylhs.

H epeteios toy Polytexneioy einai hmera mnhmhs kai anastoxasmoy. Sto proswpo twn agwnistwn toy 1973 timoyme shmera to diaxroniko agwna gia th dhmokratia, thn eleyqeria, ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata, thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh. H shmerinh epeteios ypenqymizei se oloys mas kai se kaqenan jexwrista to xreos poy synepagetai h idiothta toy polith. Na symballoyme sthn prajh, sthn enisxysh ths dhmokratias, sth diasfalish ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias kai sth dieyrynsh twn koinwnikwn dikaiwmatwn. Na oikodomhsoyme ena kefalaio empistosynhs kai synergasias. Na ergazomaste sthn prajh, gia na ejasfalisoyme toys oroys, wste h atomikh epidiwjh ths eyhmerias na paragei apta apotelesmata gia oloys toys polites.

H kybernhsh, opws oloklhros o ellhnikos laos, symmetexei sth shmerinh epeteio me metriopaqeia kai sebasmo. Pisteyoyme oti einai poly shmantiko oloi oi Ellhnes na perifroyrhsoyme to mhnyma toy Polytexneioy, mhnyma dhmokratias kai eqnikhs enothtas apo tyxon epeisodia poy amayrwnoyn to nohma ths shmerinhs meras.

Sthn kateyqynsh ayth oi armodies Arxes exoyn ekponhsei plhres sxedio gia th diakritikh kai apotelesmatikh diasfalish ths eleyqerias ths ekfrashs kai ths metakinhshs. Ths asfaleias twn politwn kai ths perioysias toys.

Xqes, to Symboylio Ypoyrgwn Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs epainese th synergasia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs sthn aposafhnish ths pragmatikhs dhmosionomikhs katastashs ths xwras, epishmainontas metajy allwn th xrhsimopoihsh twn logistikwn kanonwn ths Eurostat. H ejelijh erxetai ws synexeia twn prosfatwn dhlwsewn, toso toy Epitropoy X. Almoynia, oso kai toy Genikoy Dieyqyntoy ths Eurostat Ban Nten Ampele kata tis opoies ta nea stoixeia apeikonizoyn akribestera th dhmosionomikh katastash ths xwras.

Epiprosqeta, o Epitropos Almoynia proanhggeile th xorhghsh paratashs ths proqesmias gia meiwsh toy elleimmatos katw toy 3% ews to 2006. Einai aytonohto oti para tis diafores fwnes sto eswteriko ths xwras, oyte pieseis gia prosqeta metra exoyn askhqei, oyte qema epibolhs oiwndhpote kyrwsewn teqhke, oyte kai bebaiws yphrje opoiodhpote problhma me thn paroysia ths xwras sthn ONE. H kybernhsh diathrei ton stoxo gia th meiwsh toy dhmosionomikoy elleimmatos katw apo to 3% toy AEP hdh apo to 2005. Gia perissoteres leptomereies sxetika me ayto to qema sas parapempw sth synenteyjh Typoy poy paraxwrei, ayth thn wra, o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giwrgos Alogoskoyfhs, kaqws kai sthn epikeimenh kataqesh toy neoy Proypologismoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Otan lete kaqierwmenh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, ti ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa thn ``kaqierwmenh'' prin apo thn kataqesh toy Proypologismoy. Ayto ennooysa, se sxesh me ton Proypologismo.

MPOTSARAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes eixame ena poly sobaro apo o,ti apodeixqhke peristatiko ston Exino kai qa hqela h kybernhsh na sxoliasei ta osa synebhsan ekei kai an htan swsta ta metra poy elhfqhsan apo ekei kai pera gia thn apofygh twn oswn akoloyqhsan;

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na pw -ektos apo th xqesinh apogeymatinh dhlwsh thn opoia ekana, kata th diarkeia aytoy toy symbantos- oti prokeitai gia ena memonwmeno peristatiko, to opoio den exei politikes diastaseis. Qelw na meinoyme, omws, se ayto to opoio tonisame kai xqes: ``Qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, alla kai ths ellhnikhs Politeias einai o apolytos sebasmos ths ierothtas twn xwrwn latreias olwn twn qrhskeiwn''. Opws gnwrizete, h hremia sthn perioxh exei apokatastaqei.

SIDERHS: Exw dyo erwthmata: To prwto afora mia logokritikh parembash poy egine ston radiofwniko staqmo SKAI gia ena xioymoristiko spot poy eixe (sas plhroforw oti einai texniko to o,ti ergazomai ekei, qa to rwtoysa gia opoiodhpote Meso poy qa ginotan kati tetoio) kai to Radiothleoptiko Symboylio dietaje th diakoph toy. An kai to xioymor ginetai antikeimeno logokrisias, mpainoyme se epikindynes atrapoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai poly perissotero efoson den exw ypoch moy to symban, sto opoio anafereste, na sxoliasw opoiadhpote apofash toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy Radiothleorashs.

SIDERHS: An sas to ejhghsw, qa to sxoliasete;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Epiqymw na enhmerwqw prwta.

SIDERHS: Ta MAT xqes sygkroysthkan me toys agrotes ths Aigialeias. Einai mhpws mesa sta plaisia ths anadeijhs toys, stoys antagwnistikoteroys agrotes ths Eyrwphs, opws toys yposxosastan proeklogika;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to sygkekrimeno symban etsi opws to perigracate den exw ta akribh stoixeia. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

GKOYTZANHS: Se sxesh me to xqesino epeisodio ston Exino, yparxei mia dhlwsh toy boyleyth ths N.D. k. Axmet, thn opoia diabazw epakribws poy leei: Ena mikro gegonos opws ayto eqese se dokimasia thn ellhnotoyrkikh filia kai thn ejwterikh politikh ths xwras.

ANTWNAROS: Qa apanthsw ek meroys ths kybernhshs: To peristatiko ayto den eqese se dokimasia tipota apolytws. Speydw de na pw oti, symfwna me thn eikona poy exw, ta ellhnika MME, alla kai ta antistoixa toyrkika xeiristhkan to qema synolika stis pragmatikes toy diastaseis.

XIDIROGLOY: Ayto afora kai tis meshmerianes ekpompes poy eidame xqes;

ANTWNAROS: Milaw synolika.

POYLIDOY: Htan ``Gkrizoi Lykoi'' osoi giortazan to Ramazani kai diamartyrhqhkan xqes;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh Politeia kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh qewroyn oti o sebasmos ths ierothtas twn xwrwn latreias prepei na einai apolytos.

POYLIDOY: Eipate oti xeiristhkan me eyqynh to qema ta ellhnika MME. Orismena ellhnika MME xqes erixnan ladi sth fwtia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa synolika.

POYLIDOY: Den jerw pws bgazete ton meso oro.

TSIODRAS: O Dioikhths toy OTE k. Boyrloymhs milwntas se syndikalistes epiteqhke kata toy proistamenoy toy Ypoyrgoy k. Liaph xrhsimopoiwntas malista apajiwtikes ekfraseis kai gia oloys toys politikoys, opws asxoloyntai me ta roysfetia toys ktl.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia fhmologies tis opoies den qa sxoliasw.

TSIODRAS: Den einai fhmologies, milhse o dioikhths toy OTE se syndikalistes olwn twn paratajewn.

ANTWNAROS: H synergasia twn dyo andrwn einai armonikh.

TSIODRAS: Kai se ayto to plaisio kalese xqes o Ypoyrgos ton k. Boyrloymh sto grafeio toy gia na toy zhthsei ejhghseis;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai fysiko na ginontai synergasies metajy twn Dioikhtwn h Proedrwn twn Organismwn kai twn Ypoyrgwn poy exoyn thn politikh epopteia;

TSIODRAS: Nai alla kai apo to yfos twn synergasiwn prokyptei kai an yparxei problhma h oxi.

ANTWNAROS: Den eisaste profanws parwn se ayth th synergasia sthn opoia anafereste.

TSIODRAS: Oi fwnes akoygontan mexri ejw lene osoi htan ap` ejw.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den akoysa tipote.

BLAXOS: Otan lete oti prokeitai peri fhmologias ennoeite oti thlefwnhsate ston k. Boyrloymh, ton rwthsate an eipe tetoia pragmata kai sas eipe oxi den ta eipa;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h dhlwsh poy ekana. Tipote peran aytoy.

BLAXOS: H fhmologia se ti stoixeia sthrizetai;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h dhlwsh poy ekana. Den exw tipote allo na prosqesw.

SPYRAKH: O k. Boyrloymhs ejakoloyqei na apolambanei thn empistosynh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Oloi oi Proedroi kai oi Dioikhtes twn organismwn poy briskontai sth qesh toys kanoyn kanonika th doyleia toys.

SOYGLERHS: Mia apofash toy Symboylioy Epikrateias xqes xarakthrizei antisyntagmatiko to nomo toy k. Benizeloy. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw tis apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs. Tis sygkekrimenes, tis lambanei ypoch ths h kybernhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Ep` aytoy, epeidh yparxei twra ena nomiko keno, ap` o,ti katalabame.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kanena nomiko keno.

GKOYTZANHS: Mia stigmh: Yparxei. O nomos kriqhke antisyntagmatikos. Wstoso, mexri na yparjei allos nomos, ejakoloyqei na isxyei. To ean qa fqasei jana sto dikasthrio, ejartatai apo to ean yparxoyn prosfyges.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na eiselqw se nomikes epixeirhmatologies. Sas epanalambanw oti den prokeitai na sxoliasw kamia apolytws apofash ths Dikaiosynhs. Apeyqynqeite se nomikoys na lysoyn tis nomikes apories sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Ma, den einai nomikh epixeirhmatologia, oyte einai qema sxoliasmoy. Einai qema kybernhtikhs apofashs ti qa ginei pia, apo edw kai sto ejhs.

ANTWNAROS: Ola ayta ta qemata qa epilyqoyn me ton tropo poy exoyme hdh pei.

GKOYTZANHS: Poion;

ANTWNAROS: Allh erwthsh parakalw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Se aythn edw thn aiqoysa eixate ekfrasei thn kybernhtikh proqesh, o Panaqhnaikos kai h AEK na apokthsoyn ghpedo. Ayth th stigmh o Panaqhnaikos -kai me anakoinwsh toy ``h istorikoterh omada ths Elladas sthn Eyrwph''- meta apo apofash ths FIFA den mporei na xrhsimopoihsei to ghpedo ``Apostolos Nikolaidhs'' gia toys agwnes ths Eyrwphs kai aytoxarakthrizetai ``eyrwastegos''. Sas rwtw, mhpws h kybernhsh prepei na epispeysei tis kinhseis ths, thn apofash ths;

ANTWNAROS: Einai ena eidiko qema. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite stoys armodioys Ypoyrgoys.

KARAMPASHS: Prohgoymenws, sto sxolio sas gia thn apografh, anaferqhkate oti ayth th fora ta noymera einai akribestera. Ayth einai h frash poy eipate. Ti shmainei akribestera; Einai akribh, akribestera;

ANTWNAROS: Sas metefera akribws tis dhlwseis toy k. Almoynia kai toy k. Ban Nten @Ampele, oi opoioi eipan oti ``ta nea stoixeia apeikonizoyn akribestera th dhmosionomikh katastash ths xwras''.

KARAMPASHS: Ara, yparxei periqwrio na ginoyn pio akribh.

ANTWNAROS: Ta noymera einai akribh. Sas lew ti akribws eipan oi dyo sygkekrimenoi ajiwmatoyxoi. Allwste, anakoinwseis kanei o k. Alogoskoyfhs, ayth th stigmh stoys oikonomikoys syntaktes.

KARAMPASHS: Qa hqela na mas peite ean yphrje thlefwnikh epikoinwnia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro toy PASOK gia thn proedrikh eklogh;

ANTWNAROS: Opoiadhpote syzhthsh gia thn proedrikh eklogh einai prowrh.

KARAMPASHS: Ean yphrje thlefwnikh epikoinwnia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro toy PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw: Den yparxei tipota poy na exei sxesh me thn proedrikh eklogh.

KARAMPASHS: Lete oti einai prowro to qema. Pote qa einai sthn wra toy;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto qa to apofasisei o Prwqypoyrgos.

SIDERHS: Exete pei oti oi eishgmenes sto XAA dhmosies epixeirhseis einai anejarthtes. Profanws h parembash toy k. Sioyfa@

ANTWNAROS: Den exw pei egw kati tetoio.

SIDERHS: Kai oti oi Dioikhseis kaqorizoyn thn politikh toys, ara sth dedomenh periptwsh ths DEH thn timologiakh politikh, me bash toys nomoys. Xqes, eixame parembash kai sth dhmosiografikh glwssa ``adeiasma'' toy k. Palaiokrassa apo ton k. Sioyfa, se sxesh me thn timologiakh politikh. O k. Palaiokrassas eipe oti prepei na arxisei na ejetazete apo mhdenikh bash@

ANTWNAROS: Den eipe akribws ayto o k. Palaiokrassas.

SIDERHS: Ayto eipe.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakaloysa na diabasete th dhlwsh thn opoia ekane o k. Palaiokrassas argotera, legontas akribws oti paranohqhkan oi arxikes dhlwseis toy kai ti akribws ennooyse.

SIDERHS: Ayto htan meta to ``adeiasma''.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei to synolo twn dhlwsewn toy k. Palaiokrassa.

MPOTSARAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Palaiokrassas eipe arxika gia apeleyqerwsh twn timologiwn. Kai sth synexeia eipe oti den prokeitai gia peraiterw ayjhseis, alla gi aytes poy exoyn anakoinwqei. H erwthsh einai h ejhs: Ean ginei apeleyqerwsh twn timologiwn den qa exoyme -endexomenws oxi amesa alla mesoproqesma- prosqetes ayjhseis;

ANTWNAROS: Se kybernhtiko epipedo, apanthse xqes o k. Sioyfas. Isxyei h dhlwsh toy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epanerxomai sto erwthma moy: Dhladh, san kybernhsh to gegonos oti mia omada kai malista ths Aqhnas den exei ghpedo, ektimate oti einai eidiko qema;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na apeyqynqeite stoys armodioys Ypoyrgoys. Yparxoyn diadikasies, oi opoies akoloyqoyntai.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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