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Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-10-19

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 19 Oktwbrioy 2004

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Ayrio stis 11:00 to prwi, sto Megaro Majimoy, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas:

GALIATSATOS: Qelete na mas peite oti h Kybernhtikh Epitroph phgainei sta tyfla me agnwsto antikeimeno; Kai to maqainoyn apo ton Prwqypoyrgo ekeinh thn wra;

ANTWNAROS: H Kybernhtikh Epitroph syzhtei ena eyry fasma qematwn.

MPOILE: Xqes o Alpha paroysiase dhmoskophsh symfwna me thn opoia h N.D. prohgeitai me 7,9 monades enanti toy PASOK kai oi kyrioi Shmiths kai Kwnstantopoylos prohgoyntai sto erwthma poios qewreitai katallhloteros gia thn Proedria. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazoyme apotelesmata dhmoskophsewn. Bebaiws einai xrhsima ergaleia gia na blepei kaneis thn aisqhsh poy epikratei sthn koinh gnwmh mia sygkekrimenh stigmh. Synepws, einai eyxaristo na diapistwnei h kybernhsh oti h dhmotikothta ths paramenei se ychla epipeda.

MPOILE: Gia toys kyrioys Kwnstantopoylo kai Shmith exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh mas einai safhs kai jekaqarh. Einai prowrh opoiadhpote syzhthsh gia onomata sxetika me thn proedrikh eklogh.

TSIODRAS: Eixate pei h eseis h o kyrios Roysopoylos oti qa analhfqoyn prwtoboylies otan erqei o katallhlos xronos gia thn eklogh toy Proedroy Dhmokratias, eite qa anakoinwqei kapoio onoma to opoio qa ejasfalizei synainesh, eite qa epidiwxqei dialogos me ta kommata. Poies apo tis dyo lyseis prokrinete;

ANTWNAROS: To exei jekaqarisei safws o Ypoyrgos Epikrateias k. Roysopoylos. Sas exei pei oti to komma ths N.D. exei thn pleiochfia ekeinh poy toy epitrepei na proteinei enan ypochfio.

TSIODRAS: Ayto shmainei omws oti exei thn pleiochfia, ara mporei na epilegei Proedro ths Dhmokratias, exei thn pleiochfia ara xreiazetai synainesh apo to PASOK. Ara qa analabei thn prwtoboylia mas lete h N.D. ston katallhlo xrono kai qa proteinei sthn allh pleyra ton ypochfio Proedro ths Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Qa proteinei sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

TSIODRAS: Ara loipon den qa epidiwxqei to deytero poy mas eixe pei, dhladh h synennohsh me ta ypoloipa kommata.

ANTWNAROS: Ennoeite ek twn proterwn synennohsh; Tetoia synennohsh, ek twn proterwn, den yparxei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie ekproswpe eipate oti exei thn pleiochfia, dhladh ena allo komma, ena mikro komma den mporei na proteinei;

ANTWNAROS: Ola ta kommata mporoyn na proteinoyn. Ekproswpw thn kybernhsh ths N.D. kai sas lew ti qa kanei ekeinh.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe na epanelqw se ena qema poy anaferqhke xqes, oxi omws me to swsto tropo, gia ena dhmosieyma ths ``XWRAS'' poy anaferetai sthn periptwsh toy dystyxhmatos sto petalo toy Maliakoy kai anaferei oti sygkekrimenos Ypoyrgos eixe parembei tote gia na mh milhsei kaneis Ypoyrgos gia tis eyqynes ths etaireias AKTWR symferontwn toy k. Mpompola poy exei analabei to ergo ths diaplatynshs se ena tmhma toy Maliakoy kai kaqysterei 1,5 xrono h egkatastash toy ergolaboy kai h enarjh twn ergasiwn. Ti apantate;

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh poy sas edwse xqes o Ypoyrgos Epikrateias k. Roysopoylos exei ejantlhsei to qema.

ROYMELIWTHS: Oxi den eixe teqei swsta h erwthsh, qelw na moy apanthsete se ayth.

ANTWNAROS: Anafereste se kapoion Ypoyrgo. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio panw se ayto. O k. Roysopoylos ejantlhse, xqes, to qema me thn apanthsh toy.

ROYMELIWTHS: Xqes den htan swsth h diatypwsh. Sas rwtw ean exei ginei parembash apo Ypoyrgo se alloys Ypoyrgoys gia na pesoyn oi tonoi sto qema ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Den exei ginei kamia parembash. Sas apanthse xqes o k. Roysopoylos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe se sxesh me to qema twn meteggrafwn, epeidh h apoch ths k. Giannakoy nomizw exei prokalesei polles antidraseis kai parenergeies, pote qa doqoyn ta onomata oswn gonwn telos pantwn twn politikwn poy exoyn meteggrafei paranoma h paratypa.

ANTWNAROS: Qa akoloyqhqoyn oi diadikasies poy krinei prosfores to Ypoyrgeio Paideias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh poies einai oi prosfores; H k. Giannakoy sxedon qa legame proeidopoihse h apeilhse, na poyme eyqews na mh fobomaste tis lejeis, opote anarwtiemai loipon@

ANTWNAROS: Se poia apeilh anafereste;

PALAIOLOGOS: Apeilh me thn eyryterh ennoia, oti telos pantwn den mporei na to antejei h Boylh kai to politiko systhma ayto to pragma. Gi` ayto kai lew pote telika qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta; Yparxei xronikos orizontas;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoio qema.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe yparxei fakelos me onomata stelexwn, Ypoyrgwn, Boyleytwn poy eixan foithsei san ayton poy anaferqhke h k. Giannakoy; Yparxei; Qa ajiopoihqei; Qa ton doyme; Qa ftasei sth Boylh; Qa paei sta kommata;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai se gnwsh moy h yparjh tetoioy fakeloy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh, syggnwmh, epanerxomai se ayto. Den yparxei tetoios fakelos h den einai se gnwsh sas;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai se gnwsh moy h yparjh tetoioy fakeloy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe se ena diaforetiko qema. Me ta ghpeda toy Panaqhnaikoy kai ths AEK ti symbainei; Ti ginetai;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mias kai exoyme pali qemata poy aforoyn th shmaia kai tis parelaseis, mhpws hrqe o kairos na skeftei h Kybernhsh na stamathsoyn; Afoy, oytws h allws, qa meiwqoyn oi stratiwtikes parelaseis, na stamathsoyn oi maqhtikes; Den einai tipota allo, para ena militaristiko kataloipo toy parelqontos.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai h dikh sas apoch. Symperilabate sthn erwthsh sas kai orismena dhqen pragmatika systatika poy den yparxoyn. Milhsate gia katarghsh twn stratiwtikwn parelasewn@

SIDERHS: Oxi, milhsa gia meiwsh kai to eipe kai h kybernhsh, logw apostasews kai gia logoys kostoys.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn orismenes skeceis, oi opoies den exoyn ftasei sto stadio ths apofashs. Den yparxei kati sygkekrimeno ep` aytoy. To qema twn maqhtikwn parelasewn, exei entelws diaforetikes diastaseis. H koinwnia tis qelei kai oi maqhtes me megalh xara symmetexoyn s` aytes tis giortes. Kaneis den toys apodidei, opws eipate eseis -dikh sas einai h ekfrash- ``militaristiko'' xarakthra. Ta paidia bgainoyn na giortasoyn tis eqnikes epeteioys. Oson afora to qema ths shmaias, h qesh mas einai safhs: Yparxoyn nomoi oi opoioi prepei na efarmozontai.

LEONTITSH: Poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs sxetika me to an qa prepei na katateqoyn ta onomata oswn exoyn kanei meteggrafh, paidiwn politikwn; Qa prepei; Xqes, o k. Ebert zhthse apo thn ypoyrgo Paideias na ferei ayta ta onomata sth Boylh.

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths Kybernhshs ekfrazetai apo to ti exei prajei, mexri stigmhs, sto sygkekrimeno qema.

LEONTITSH: H Kybernhsh epiqymei na katateqoyn ta onomata sth Boylh;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths Kybernhshs ekfrazetai me tis prajeis ths.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na epanelqw sto qema toy xwrioy Lapa. Qelw to sxolio ths Kybernhshs gia th symperifora ths topikhs koinwnias apenanti sth maqhtria.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa molis prohgoymenws. H Kybernhsh yposthrizei plhrws thn efarmogh toy nomoy, o opoios einai safhs kai orizei oti o prwtos maqhths krata th shmaia.

KYRITSHS: Qa efarmostei o nomos; Giati ``lintsaristhke'' hqika ena anhliko paidi apo ena oloklhro xwrio kai anagkasthke na thn paraxwrhsei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs.

KYRITSHS: Epimenw kai sas rwtw ean qa efarmostei o nomos;

ANTWNAROS: O nomos efarmozetai apo ta organa ta opoia einai diatetagmena na ton efarmozoyn.

KYRITSHS: Ara, na perimenoyme oti qa ton efarmosoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

GALIATSATOS: Qa diataxqoyn ta organa na efarmosoyn to nomo;

ANTWNAROS: Ta organa exoyn pantote odhgies na efarmozoyn oloys toys nomoys toy kratoys.

GALIATSATOS: Ean den ton efarmosoyn, ti qa kanete;

ANTWNAROS: Einai ypoqetikh h erwthsh kai den prokeitai na apanthsw.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Exete metatrecei thn agrotikh oikonomia se ``jefrago ampeli''; Yparxoyn kyklwmata eisagwgwn kai ejagwgwn poy plhttoyn thn egxwria paragwgh, opws eipe o Giwrgos Papandreoy;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papandreoy kataggellei ton idio toy ton eayto. ``Jefrago ampeli'', gia na xrhsimopoihsw thn ekfrash sas, alla kai thn ekfrash poy xrhsimopoihse o k. Papandreoy xqes, ekanan ton ellhniko agrotiko kosmo oi kybernhseis toy PASOK. Profanws, o k. Papandreoy den qelei na qymatai. Qa prepei na qymatai, omws, oti me dikh toy parembash ws ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn ths E.E., thn 18h Septembrioy 2000, apodexqhke akrita th dynatothta anejelegkths eisagwghs agrotikwn proiontwn sth xwra mas apo orismenes trites xwres. Kai me thn apofash ayth katarghqhkan oi yfistamenoi posotikoi periorismoi, ta metra isodynamoy apotelesmatos kai oles oi dasmologikes epibarynseis h oi epibarynseis allhs morfhs poy yphrxan. Apotelesma ayths ths akriths parembashs einai h sysswreysh yperbolikwn apoqematwn, ta opoia dhmioyrgoyn megala problhmata stoys Ellhnes agrotes.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Gia ta ghpeda Panaqhnaikoy kai AEK poy sas rwthsa prin, moy eipate oti den exete asxolhqei me to qema. Wstoso, mporeite na moy peite an einai stis proqeseis ths Kybernhshs na apokthsoyn ghpeda o Panaqhnaikos kai h AEK;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa, qa sas apanthsw.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Sxetika me to epidoma qermanshs, eixate pei xqes oti analogws twn ejelijewn qa to melethsei h kybernhshs. Shmera eixame tis synanthseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh kai toy k. Sioyfa me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qeloyme na mas peite an syzhthqhke ekei to qema kai an exoyme kati newtero. An, dhladh, me ta osa exoyn prokycei, prosanatolizetai h Kybernhsh wste telika na dwsei to epidoma qermanshs.

ANTWNAROS: Oi times toy argoy petrelaioy diamorfwnontai stis dieqneis agores, xwris th dynatothta opoiasdhpote dikhs mas parembashs. Einai dieqnes qema, to opoio, ayth th stigmh, apasxolei th dieqnh koinothta kai thn dieqnh oikonomia. Dhmioyrgei, oxi mono se mas, alla kai se polles alles xwres, diafora problhmata. Ta antimetwpizoyme me th sobarothta poy epiballetai, giati prokeitai gia thn tseph twn Ellhnwn politwn. Egkairws, otan dhladh, to qema ayths ths jefrenhs koyrsas twn timwn toy argoy petrelaioy den eixe parei tis diastaseis poy exei shmera, phrame sygkekrimena metra. Katalhjame se synennohseis me oloys toys emplekomenoys foreis, wste na perioristei to kerdos kai na mhn epibarynontai oi katanalwtes poy exoyn amesh anagkh to petrelaio qermanshs kata toys xeimerinoys mhnes. Taytoxrona, diasfalisame th xamhloterh dynath forologikh epibarynsh gia to sygkekrimeno proion. Opws exei eipwqei epaneilhmmena tis teleytaies hmeres, h kybernhsh parakoloyqei stena tis ejelijeis stis dieqneis agores. Qa parathrhsate oti kai xqes eixame synexeia ayths ths ``koyrsas'' toy petrelaioy. Efoson xreiastei, qa analhfqoyn kai alles symplhrwmatikes prwtoboylies. Omws, den prepei na jexname oti yparxoyn sygkekrimenes dynatothtes sto plaisio twn dhmosiwn oikonomikwn, oi opoies orioqetoyn tis dynatothtes ths Kybernhshs.

TSIODRAS: Ennoeite alles prwtoboylies, ektos apo to epidoma qermanshs h milame gia to epidoma qermanshs;

ANTWNAROS: Milaw gia prwtoboylies poy exoyn sxesh me to petrelaio qermanshs.

LEONTITSH: Meletate akoma kai to endexomeno epibolhs plafon gia to petrelaio qermanshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na ypeiselqw se leptomereies sxetika me to qema ayto. Yparxoyn polles enallaktikes lyseis, polles dynatothtes kai analogws me to pws qa ejelixqoyn oi agores ton amesws epomeno kairo, qa to ejetasoyme. Oi times toy petrelaioy den einai panta staqeres, kymainontai h pros ta panw h pros ta katw.

XIDIROGLOY: Eixame mia epiqesh, xqes, opws poly kala gnwrizete, mia dolofonikh apopeira, mallon, enantion gnwstoy dhmosiografoy. Dedomenoy oti den einai h prwth fora poy exoyme tetoia fainomena, ti metra protiqetai na labei h Kybernhsh prokeimenoy na prostateysei toys anqrwpoys toy Typoy;

ANTWNAROS: Mporeite na moy peite allh dolofonikh apopeira enantion dhmosiografoy;

XIDIROGLOY: Oxi, yphrxan epiqeseis enantion ekproswpwn toy Typoy. Ayth, aplws, htan akraias morfhs.

ANTWNAROS: Katadikazoyme me ton pio apofasistiko kai safh tropo, opoiadhpote epiqesh, opoiasdhpote morfhs, enantion twn leitoyrgwn toy Typoy. Eidika, katadikazoyme thn epiqesh enantion toy k. Syrigoy. Oi diwktikes arxes, briskontai sto stadio ths ereynas, prokeimenoy na breqoyn oi enoxoi.

IWANNOY: Epeidh xqes polla akoysthkan kai gia kyklwmata poy proerxontai apo to xwro toy Aqlhtismoy k.lp., exete dwsei kapoia sxetikh entolh ston k. Orfano h se kapoia alla melh ths Kybernhshs; Yparxei enas prosanatolismos apo poy proerxontai ayta ta fainomena;

ANTWNAROS: Thn ereyna diejagoyn oi armodies diwktikes Arxes.

KYRITSHS: Politika qewreite oti ayth h epiqesh enantion toy k. Syrigoy mporei na exei na kanei me th diaplokh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio, oson afora toys endexomenoys logoys gia toys opoioys egine h epiqesh enantion toy k. Syrigoy. H ereyna brisketai se ejelijh.

GALIATSATOS: Xqes, o k. Roysopoylos mas eipe oti logw twn anatimhsewn stis times toy petrelaioy, h Kybernhsh epanaproseggizei ton Proypologismo. Ti akribws shmainei ayto; To prosxedio toy Proypologismoy poy kateqese h kybernhsh einai ypo airesh;

ANTWNAROS: Kanena prosxedio Proypologismoy den einai ypo airesh. Monos sas, omws, eipate oti prokeitai gia prosxedio Proypologismoy. Opws jerete, o Proypologismos katatiqetai sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn, se sygkekrimenes xronikes proqesmies. S` aytes tis proqesmies qa fqasei sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn to teliko sxedio epi toy opoioy kai qa chfisei h Boylh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh qa breqei prosexws sto ECOFIN k. Alogoskoyfhs, yparxei qema -as to poyme- anaqewrhshs twn deiktwn h twn oswn yparxoyn sto prosxedio toy Proypologismoy apo to ECOFIN kai thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia tetoia endeijh.

GALIATSATOS: Tote, pros ti h epanaproseggish; Syggnwmh poy sas rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Einai ena prosxedio. Mesolabei ena xroniko diasthma mexri na katateqei o Proypologismos sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Mesa s@ ayto to diasthma, endexetai na symboyn, fer` eipein sth dieqnh petrelaikh agora, pragmata ta opoia den mporoyme na problecoyme ayth th stigmh. Den yparxei tetoia endeijh ayth th stigmh, alla den qa prepei h kybernhsh na ta labei ypoch ths; Epeidh exoyme ena prosxedio, qa prepei na meinoyme apolytws proshlwmenoi s` ayto; Na mhn proboyme se orismenes beltiwseis, allages h prosqhkes; Einai apolytws fysiko.

MPOTSARAKOS: Apokleietai to endexomeno epibolhs plafon sto petrelaio;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa oti h kybernhsh meleta, mera me th mera, thn katastash opws ayth diamorfwnetai stis dieqneis petrelaikes agores. Qa labei, ean xreiastei, ta metra ta opoia qewrei prosfora, wste na amblynqoyn oi epiptwseis apo th diamorfwsh twn timwn ston katanalwth.

GKOYTZANHS: Pote qa ferei pros chfish sth Boylh h kybernhsh ta dyo basika nomosxedia ths gia to forologiko kai to anaptyjiako, poy apoteloyn kai to qemelio gia th nea oikonomikh politikh;

ANTWNAROS: Sta xronika plaisia poy exoyn kaqoristei edw kai kairo.

GKOYTZANHS: Poia einai ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Ews to telos toy xronoy.

TSIODRAS: Eipate oti den einai se gnwsh sas h yparjh fakeloy gia tis meteggrafes. Ayto shmainei oti den exete apeyqynqei sto ypoyrgeio Paideias, prokeimenoy na enhmerwqeite;

ANTWNAROS: To ypoyrgeio Paideias xeirizetai ayto to qema tis teleytaies ebdomades. Exei ola ta stoixeia kai qa krinei ean kai pote qa ta kataqesei sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

TSIODRAS: Qa mporoysate na enhmerwqeite ean yparxei tetoios fakelos kai sth synexeia na mas enhmerwsete;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw thn yparjh tetoioy fakeloy.

TSIODRAS: Ara, mporeite na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Paideias kai na labete gnwsh ean yparxei h oxi o fakelos.

ANTWNAROS: Qa to kanw.

SIDERHS: O anaptyjiakos nomos eprokeito na katateqei sto fqinopwro. Giati paei gia to telos toy xronoy; Poia problhmata ypeishlqan;

ANTWNAROS: Kanena problhma apolytws. Hmerologiaka to fqinopwro lhgei stis 30 Noembrioy.

GKOYTZANHS: Pantws yparxei kaqysterhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia kaqysterhsh, kamia anabolh. Ola einai mesa sta xronika plaisia poy exoyme anakoinwsei.

PEPONHS: H chfish twn dyo nomosxediwn qa ginei prin h meta ton Proypologismo;

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

Sas eyxaristw.


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