Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-01-27

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 27 Ianoyarioy 2004

XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete yparxei h epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK pros ton Proedro ths Boylhs, me thn opoia tiqetai ektos K.O. toy PASOK o boyleyths Serrwn k. Anqopoylos. Epishs, yparxei h apofash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK me thn opoia o k. Anqopoylos parapempetai sthn Epitroph Deontologias toy Kinhmatos gia tis gnwstes dhlwseis toy, me aformh thn tropologia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Sxetika me ta gegonota toy Sabbatokyriakoy, epeidh twra teleytaia oloi sta thleoptika paraqyra omnyontai ston politiko politismo, qa hqela na sas pw oti politikos politismos einai kai oi dhmokratikes diadikasies poy exoyn enswmatwsei ta kommata sth leitoyrgia toys. To Sabbatokyriako o k. Papandreoy apepemce ennea boyleytes xwris diadikasies, gia to kalo ths paratajhs, gia na mhn yparxoyn gkrizes skies. Ayto apopneei ``stalinikh diadikasia''. Oso kai na apadei sto yfos kai to profil poy bgazei o G. Papandreoy, to apodeiknyei h idia h diadikasia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Tonizontas, oti aporriptw toys xarakthrismoys sas, qelw na sas pw oti yphrxe apofash toy E.G. toy PASOK, thn Paraskeyh to brady. Bebaiws, thn eishghqhke o G. Papandreoy. Apo kei kai pera qelw na jekaqarisw oti h genikh apofash gia thn ejodo apo ta chfodeltia twn synadelfwn htan mia politikh apofash. Eixe ena diko ths politiko symbolismo. Symbolizei thn politikh arxwn kai ajiwn poy qeloyme. Symbolizei to orama kai to sxedio toy G. Papandreoy gia thn koinwnia kai th xwra. Symbolizei mia politikh poy jerei na sygkroyetai me symferonta, xwris na ypologizei to politiko kostos. Epomenws, ws politikh apofash, me to diko ths dynamiko politiko symbolismo, me thn proektash ths sto mellon, etsi prepei na thn antilhfqeite.

SIDERHS: Polles fores, edw, anaferomenos sth N.D. exete pei ``mhdeni dikhn dikaseis''. Ayto sthn prokeimenh periptwsh den egine.

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan xreiasthke na ginei h parapomph toy k. Anqopoyloy sthn Epitroph Deontologias, gia sygkekrimena qemata, ayto egine kai ekei qa akoystei kai h apoch toy. Einai safes oti den exei to xarakthra peiqarxikoy h kentrikh apofash. Kai ayto to dieykrinise me safh tropo, xqes, o Grammateas toy PASOK Mixalhs Xrysoxoidhs. H kentrikh apofash exei ena ejoxws politiko symboliko xarakthra. Deixnei to mellon, thn politikh mas, th baqia pisth mas stis arxes kai tis ajies poy prepei na diepoyn tis sxeseis politikhs kai politikoy.

SIDERHS: Aytos o symbolikos xarakthras epitrepei na tsalakwqoyn atoma, ta opoia endexomenws den hjeran oti yphrxe h ypografh toys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora tis atomikes eyqynes, aytes qa anadeixqoyn kai qa katanemhqoyn analoga me th sobarothta toys. Hdh, gia ton k. Anqopoylo yparxei mia eidikh diadikasia.

SIDERHS: Pws dexetai h kybernhsh na exei th dedhlwmenh apo boyleytes toys opoioys den qewrei ajioys na briskontai sthn epomenh Boylh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi boyleytes aytoi den qa einai sta chfodeltia me bash thn politikh apofash. Ayto exei to diko toy politiko symbolismo. Apo kei kai pera, pote den eipame oti den paramenoyn, ayth th stigmh, boyleytes h melh toy Kinhmatos.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti qa ginei h ejatomikeysh eyqynwn me bash th diadikasia poy apofasise to E.G. kai ta organa sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete arxise kai eisaggelikh ereyna.

MIXAHL: Emena me afora h politikh diastash toy qematos. Ean ayth h ereyna qa einai desmeytikh gia periptwseis kapoiwn apo toys ennea na mhn isxysei h apofash poy lhfqhke.

PRWTOPAPAS: H apofash einai politikh kai exei anakoinwqei. Twra exoyme ekloges kai eprepe na peisqei h ellhnikh koinwnia kai gia tis proqeseis mas kai gia tis ajies kai gia thn politikh mas. Apeyqynqhkame sthn ellhnikh koinwnia kai eipame oti den mporei na yparxoyn gkrizes skies panw apo to dhmosio bio. Dwsame apanthseis sta erwthmata poy eixe h ellhnikh koinwnia. Qa ginoyn oi ereynes me anesh xronoy. Den yparxei, omws, qema allaghs ths politikhs apofashs, poy exei to diko ths symbolismo kai th dikh ths dynamikh. Einai allo h ejatomikeysh twn eyqynwn kai allo to politiko meros ths apofashs.

MIXAHL: To gegonos oti kapoioi apo toys sygkekrimenoys boyleytes niwqontas pikria gia ayth thn apofash, probainoyn se kataggelies, opws o k. Xrysanqakopoylos, poy eipe oti o k. Papandreoy, gia ena diasthma eixe dieykolynqei kai emene...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipe ayto. Sas parapempw se ayta poy eipe o k. Xrysanqakopoylos, o opoios den to eipe kan etsi. Eipe oti, qa pei kati h N.D., Ean pei h N.D. kati, fysika qa parei amesws apanthsh kai elpizw na mhn kanei tetoies aqliothtes. Giati tetoia pragmata den isxyoyn kai oyte qa mporoysan na isxyoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti qa pei h N.D.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Xrysanqakopoylos to eipe, oxi egw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Rwtw, o k. Papandreoy emene pote se spiti idiokthsias twn etaireiwn toy k. Stegkoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti ennoeite; Kapote prepei na katalaboyme oti me to na epixeiroyme na dhmioyrghsoyme skies kai na kanoyme mayrh propaganda den kerdizei kaneis tis ekloges. Oi aqliothtes, h mayrh propaganda, ta yponooymena poy ektojeyontai kai ta dhmosieymata poy blepoyme aytes tis hmeres, kaqe allo para bohqoyn ton politiko politismo poy dhqen epaggelletai h N.D. Gia paradeigma, blepoyme shmerina dhmosieymata poy anaferoyn oti ebale thn ypografh toy se analogo qema me ayto toy Porto Karas. Den einai sobara ayta ta pragmata kai den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Einai geloiothtes. Qa synexisoyme me proswpikes epiqeseis; Nomizoyn merikoi oti epitiqemenoi enantion toy k. Papandreoy dhqen qa kerdisoyn tis ekloges;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Rwtw eyqews. Emene pote o k. Papandreoy se spiti, bila poy htan idiokthsia toy k. Stegkoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa mpw se ayto to dialogo poy epixeirei na kallierghsei aqliothtes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Malesios emene kapoy kai efyge. O k. Manikas to idio. Rwtw, o k. Papandreoy, emene; Nai h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei. Qa kanoyme ayto to dialogo me aqliothtes mexri tis ekloges;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ara, emene.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti einai ayta poy lete; Fysika kai oxi. An kai bazw se aytoy toy eidoys ta erwthmata to xarakthrismo poy toys tairiazei eseis synexizete@

BITALHS: Ap` osa prokyptoyn apo thn trimelh Epitroph, poy syzhthse xqes me toys boyleytes kai ap` osa eipe dhmosiws o k. Anqopoylos to brady ston ``Antena'', prokyptei oti oi kyrioi Kirkos, Koyroyplhs kai Diamanths, den eixan ypogracei, alla plastografhqhke h ypografh toys. Kai epeidh milate gia ejatomikeymenes eyqynes, rwtw: Lhfqhke mia apofash me to politiko periexomeno poy eipate kai ayto einai katanohto. Omws, edw blepoyme oti treis boyleytes, poy fwnazan apo thn arxh, emeis den exoyme sxesh, bgainei oti plastografhqhke h ypografh toys. Me aytoys toys anqrwpoys ti ginetai; Menoyn ektos chfodeltioy, qa aiwroyntai skies panw toys, meta apo ta osa eipe dhmosia o k. Anqopoylos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, oson afora to politiko meros ths apofashs ayto den allazei. Hmoyn safhs. Deyteron, oson afora thn ereyna poy qa ginei me anesh xronoy gia ejatomikeysh eyqynwn, logiko einai na zhta kaqenas na jekaqaristei h qesh toy. Qa ginei kai ayto. To qema einai oti einai allo ayto to kommati kai allo to kommati poy afora to politiko meros ths apofashs. Exei to diko ths symbolismo, th dikh ths dynamikh kai fysika paramenei.

BITALHS: O k. Anqopoylos xqes anelabe ena megalo meros ths eyqynhs toy kai shmera brisketai ektos Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK. Apo to reportaz prokyptei oti kapoioys paromoioys xeirismoys exei kanei kai o k. Katsanebas, o opoios den qa einai men ypochfios, wstoso paramenei sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK mexri th dialysh ths Boylhs. Qa yparjei kati analogo gia ton k. Katsaneba;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas exw pei, epaneilhmmena, oti qa yparjei sxetikh ereyna me anesh xronoy gia thn ejatomikeysh twn eyqynwn. H politikh apofash den einai peiqarxikh, den anagnwrizei atomikes eyqynes, alla steketai politika gia na apanthsei se ena qema ths koinwnias kai na deijei to dromo poy qa akoloyqhsoyme. Symbolizei thn politikh poy qeloyme na kanoyme. Kai qeloyme na antiparateqoyme me ta symferonta se ola ta epipeda. Apo kei kai pera, se sxesh me tis atomikes eyqynes, fysiko einai oti qa katanemhqoyn. Den einai qema poy ginetai ayth th stigmh. O k. Anqopoylos bghke xqes kai eipe kapoia pragmata, ta opoia dhmioyrgoyn meizon qema kai se ayto to qema yphrje apanthsh.

KARGOYDH: O k. Anqopoylos, prin bgei sthn thleorash eixe afhghqei me ton idio tropo ta peristatika sthn trimerh antiproswpeia toy kommatos sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eixe kanei sxetikes anafores.

KARGOYDH: Apo tis mexri twra ereynes sas prokyptei oti o kyrios diakinhths ayths ths ypoqeshs einai o k. Anqopoylos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Eipa oti o k. Anqopoylos anelabe sygkekrimenes, safeis eyqynes gia tis opoies doqhke shmerinh apanthsh kai parapomph toy sthn Epitroph Deontologias.

KARGOYDH: Epomenws, paramenei ypo ereyna to poios htan o empneysths kai diakinhths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kapoia stigmh fysika qa prepei na doqoyn kai aytes oi apanthseis. Omws, ayth thn wra, proexei h antapokrish mas se ena aithma ths koinwnias kai bebaiws h poreia mas ston proeklogiko agwna.

ZOYLAS: Qa hqela na moy peite, ean h kybernhsh qewrei dikaih thn apofash gia toys treis, poy diapistwmena den exoyn ypogracei, efoson parapempetai o k. Anqopoylos, poy leei oti plastografhse tis ypografes toys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw milhsei epaneilhmmena gi ayto shmera.

ZOYLAS: Na to qesw proswpika. Pws qa aisqanosastan ean kapoios eixe plastografhsei thn ypografh sas kai sas eqetan ektos proeklogikoy agwna;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den apantw proswpika edw. Epanalambanw, oti yphrje ena meizon qema. Mia aparadekth tropologia, poy chfisthke me aparadekto tropo. Thn epomenh hmera bghke h kybernhsh kai topoqethqhke gia thn oysia ths tropologias kai doqhke kai mia politikh apanthsh me thn apofash toy E.G. O k. Papandreoy ejhghse ton politiko symbolismo ayths ths apofashs. Den qeloyme ``myga sto spaqi mas''. Kamia gkriza skia sto dhmosio bio. Sta qemata arxwn, ajiwn, eyqynhs kai hqikhs, den dexomaste kamia diapragmateysh. Ayto einai to politiko mhnyma. O k. Xrysoxoidhs eipe oti den einai peiqarxikh h apofash, oyte exei tetoio xarakthra. Einai mia politikh apanthsh se ena aithma ths koinwnias, se mia krisimh fash, gia thn paratajh mas. Bebaiws, qa proxwrhsei otan erqei h wra se ejatomikeysh eyqynwn. Gia ton k. Anqopoylo doqhke kai mia allh apanthsh.

GARGALAKOS: Akoygetai mia kritikh kai apo anqrwpoys poy briskontai sto xwro toy PASOK, oti oysiastika to kybernwn komma, syrqhke se ayth thn apofash mesa apo thn piesh poy toy askhse to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas, epanalambanw ta tria erwthmata poy exw qesei mexri twra sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Prwton, poia einai h apanthsh toy stoys treis boyleytes poy ypegracan kai malista otan o enas oyte kan anairese thn ypografh toy. Deyteron, giati o k. Alogoskoyfhs afhse na perasei h tropologia me mia typikh topoqethsh, kata pleiochfia, kai den zhthse onomastikh chfoforia. Giati den kinhtopoihqhke opws ofeile, gia na apokroysei kati gia to opoio ekfrasthkan me ta barytera logia; Kai triton, giati h epishmh topoqethsh ths N.D. kaqysterhse apo thn Tetarth to brady, mexri thn Paraskeyh to meshmeri; Mhpws egine otan antilhfqhkan oti etoimazotan h politikh kinhsh, poy telika egine apo ton k. Papandreoy; Mhpws htan mia ek twn ysterwn apofash ths N.D.; Peiqetai kaneis otan epi dyo hmeres den yphrje kamia politikh antidrash, kamia epishmh topoqethsh dia toy ekproswpoy ths; Ayta ta tria erwthmata paramenoyn anapanthta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Anqopoylos teqhke ektos K.O. O Ypoyrgos poy apodexqhke thn tropologia k. Paxtas paramenei;

PRWTOPAPAS; Yparxei h politikh apofash. Argotera qa ginei h katanomh twn eyqynwn. O k. Paxtas molis eipe oti parabiase th deontologia paraithqhke apo ypoyrgos. Einai to idio pragma na syzhtas me ekproswpo etaireias kai analoga na pratteis kai to idio na parabeis thn egkyklio toy kommatos soy; Allo to ena, allo to allo. Gia thn prajh toy o k. Paxtas, dhladh, thn parabiash toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs, eklhqh na paraithqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den miloyse o k. Paxtas me thn etaireia; To eixe melethsei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na prosexoyme kai na eimaste akribodikaioi.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Peripoiei timh gia to kybernwn komma h paramonh toy k. Paxta stis tajeis toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh topoqeteite etsi to qema. Yparxei mia pragmatikothta: O k. Paxtas parabiase thn egkyklio. Leitoyrghse apo monos toy se ena qema poy eprepe na leitoyrghsei me bash ton tropo emfanishs kai symperiforas twn ypoyrgwn kai yfypoyrgwn sto Koinoboylio. Gia to logo ayto klhqhke na paraithqei. Dioti einai fysiko otan exeis mia ypoxrewsh na dras me ena sygkekrimeno tropo kai den enhmerwneis, gia paradeigma, ton proistameno ypoyrgo h to geniko grammatea toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, tote eisai ejw apo th diadikasia. Gia to logo ayto @kai to tonizw- klhqhke na paraithqei. Oso den exei proxwrhsei h ereyna ths ypoqeshs qa parakaloysa na parameinoyme edw.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Ayto akribws qelw na sas epishmanw, to pws leitoyrghse o k. Paxtas, ws melos ths kybernhshs. Apo ekei kai pera, mporeite na moy apanthsete an peripoiei timh na paramenei o k. Paxtas stis tajeis toy kommatos sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh apanthsei gia to ti egine. Ta ypoloipa qa ta poyme otan erqei ekeinh h wra. Den kanoyme ayth th stigmh atomikes anafores. To exw apofygei prosektika. Eipa pws h apofash exei ena politika symboliko xarakthra. Gia ton k. Anqopoylo einai kati xwristo, giati ekane o idios anafores gia tis prajeis toy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Pws, loipon, anqrwpoi poy den krinontai katallhloi @den jerw gia poioys logoys, eseis jerete ws melos toy kommatos kai ws ypoyrgos kai melos ths kybernhshs- na ekproswpoyn to komma sas sth nea Boylh, wstoso gia to poly mikro ayto xroniko diasthma paramenoyn kai bebaiws xwris na yparxei kamia allh synepeia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyn kamia allh proswpikh kathgoria, pros to paron, me ejairesh ton k. Anqopoylo. Pros to paron den yparxei atomikh kathgoria. Sas eipa hdh oti htan mia politika symbolikh kinhsh. Den mporeite na katanohsete ti shmainei ``politika symbolikh kinhsh;''

STAMATOPOYLOS: Symbolikh einai ayth;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai. Exei ena dynato symbolismo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: An katalaba kala, epifylasseste na peite an htan epi ths oysias problhmatikh h tropologia; Htan mono typiko to problhma@

PRWTOPAPAS: To eipa. Aparadekth tropologia, eipa. Se ayth thn aiqoysa to exw pei, toylaxiston, eji fores. Na mhn epanalambanw ta isia.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Ystera apo thn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse h Proedria ths Dhmokratias, prokyptei qema ajiwshs apozhmiwshs ths ``Texnikhs Olympiakhs'';

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eimai nomikos. Diabasa to prwi kapoies nomikes ermhneies, oi opoies @metajy mas- htan apo o,ti katalaba ligo ewles. Alla den qa kanoyme edw nomikh syzhthsh peri apozhmiwsewn. Einai dynaton; Edw ta qemata einai politika. Politika ayth h tropologia prepei na akyrwqei. Symfwnoyme; Ean symfwnoyme pame ston kalytero dynato tropo.

MIXAHL: Pote qa kataqesei o k. Xristodoylakhs @opws exete desmeytei ki eseis o idios- th nea tropologia poy qa akyrwnei thn palia;

PRWTOPAPAS: To taxytero dynato symfwna me tis keimenes diatajeis. Einai etoimh, oytws h allws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Katateqhke mia tropologia gia ta kanalia, gia to aggelioshmo. Exete kanete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den katateqhke kati gia aggelioshmo. Kateqese o k. Xristodoylakhs tropologia gia ton eidiko foro thleorashs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai aggelioshmo ayto, o eidikos foros thleorashs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den einai aggelioshmo o eidikos foros. To aggelioshmo, afora tis efhmerides, den afora ta kanalia. Gia ton eidiko foro thleorashs, akoyste: O k. Xristodoylakhs kateqese ontws sxetikh tropologia. Ayto einai ena qema poy syzhteitai edw kai para poly kairo, den sas to kryboyme. Syzhteitai peripoy ena xrono. Yphrje, kapoia stigmh, mia eyrwpaikh prwtotypia sthn Ellada, o eidikos foros thleorashs poy, epanalambanw, den yparxei se alles xwres. O foros aytos dhmioyrghse mia seira apo problhmata. Kai se telikh analysh h meiwsh toy @dioti peri meiwsews prokeitai, den ejaleifetai- mallon eynoei to Dhmosio. Den xanei tipota. Giati; Dioti ta xrhmata poy ek prwths ocews fainetai na xanei me th meiwsh toy foroy, qa ta parei pisw mesw toy FPA, dioti oi epixeirhseis poy diafhmizontai, einai safes oti qa xrhsimopoihsoyn ayta ta idia xrhmata gia allhs morfhs drasthriothtes, oi opoies kai pali mesw toy FPA qa apodwsoyn sto Dhmosio. Ara, to Dhmosio den mporei na krataei ep` apeiron enan eidiko foro poy yparxei mono sth xwra mas se olh thn E.E. Den proxwrei se apotomh ryqmish toy gia na mhn yparjoyn problhmata sta esoda toy Dhmosioy. To kanei stadiaka. Kai exoyme ypologisei oti megalo meros twn esodwn aytwn qa janagyrisoyn pisw mesa apo th drasthriothta, thn parapera diafhmish h th xrhsimopoihsh aytwn twn xrhmatwn gia alles drasthriothtes, poy opws jerete oloi, forologoyntai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai ayto to qymhqhkate twra proeklogika na to perasete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ena xrono twra ginetai ayth h syzhthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Malista. Kai to afhsate gia thn teleytaia hmera.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apanthsa: Otan kati exei wrimasei. Ejalloy, den afora kapoion, afora oloys. Exei diafora.

MIXAHL: H teleytaia dhmoskophsh poy eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas xqes, deixnei meiwsh men ths diaforas sthn proqesh chfoy, ayjhsh de ths parastashs nikhs, ejaitias twn gegonotwn me thn epimaxh tropologia. Qelw na mas kanete ena sxolio epi twn eyrhmatwn aytwn kai an pisteyete oti olh ayth h ejelijh me thn epimaxh tropologia qa exei epiptwseis sthn proeklogikh ekstrateia toy PASOK;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyw pws xarh sth dynamikh kai ton politiko symbolismo ths kinhshs toy Giwrgoy Papandreoy, poly grhgora qa janampoyme sthn troxia ths anodoy. Kai ayto giati; Giati to sygkekrimeno qa jeperastei -exoyme apanthsei me tropo poy peiqei thn ellhnikh koinwnia@ kai otan h politikh janagyrisei sto trapezi, h politikh yperoxh twn idewn mas, h yperoxh toy Giwrgoy Papandreoy kai h antapokrish stis prosdokies toy ellhnikoy laoy qa einai ekeines poy qa odhghsoyn sth nikh ths paratajhs mas.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: Ena apo ta pio shmantika epiteygmata ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths kybernhshs, poy proballete, einai oti h dieqnhs koinothta exei qetikh gnwmh gia thn Ellada kai thn politikh ths Aqhnas. Qa hqela, ypo to fws kai aytoy toy epixeirhmatos poy exete syxna anaferei, na sxoliasete tis dhlwseis toy ekproswpoy toy State Department, o opoios -opws jerete- xarakthrise poly qetikes tis teleytaies apofaseis ths Toyrkias kai kalese tis ypoloipes pleyres na epideijoyn thn idia proqymia. Epishs, yparxei anakoinwsh toy ellhnikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn poy shmeiwnei oti to Symboylio Eqnikhs Asfaleias ths Toyrkias epixeirei me th dhlwsh toy na qesei thn epilysh toy Kypriakoy se ena diaforetiko plaisio apo ayto twn apofasewn toy OHE kai toy Sxedioy Anan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei apanthsei to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, mas kalyptei, den xreiazetai na kanw allo sxolio.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: O k. Shmiths kai o k. Papadopoylos, thn perasmenh ebdomada, eipan oti antitiqentai se ayto poy zhta o k. Anan, dhladh na ginoyn dhmochfismata se sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia poy qa prokaqoristei, anejarthtws apotelesmatos k.tl. Diabasa mia dhlwsh toy ekproswpoy toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, h opoia diatypwnei ayth th qesh me diaforetiko tropo kai leei oti sthn poreia, blepontas thn ejelijh twn diapragmateysewn kai efoson briskomaste pro mias qetikhs ejelijhs na symfwnhsoyn oi dyo koinothtes sthn hmeromhnia toy xronodiagrammatos. Qelw na sas rwthsw ean ayth h qesh einai diaforetikh, ean @en pash periptwsei- to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai h kybernhsh qewroyn oti prepei na oloklhrwqoyn oi diapragmateyseis protoy syzhthqei to xronodiagramma twn dhmochfismatwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Deite thn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn kai tis anafores toy k. Papandreoy. Apantoyn plhrws.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia protash gia diorismo Amerikanoy mesolabhth, ektos Genikoy Grammatea toy OHE. H qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs ep` aytoy poia einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: O, ti eixame na poyme, to exoyme pei. Exoyme pei oti syzhtoyme sto plaisio twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, qeloyme diapragmateysh me bash to sxedio Anan kai ta xronodiagrammata poy qa symfwnhqoyn, afoy bebaiws syzhthqoyn kai oxi kaqoristoyn. To eipame ayto kai thn perasmenh Deytera. O mesolabhths toy OHE prepei na ekproswpei kai na desmeyetai apokleistika apo ton OHE kai to plaisio toy. Kai ekei katalabainoyme oloi oti o OHE frontizei na to deixnei ayto, epilegontas toys katallhloys mesolabhtes. Kai gnwrizete oti ayto panta to prosexei, einai mia pagia taktikh toy OHE otan epilegei toys diplwmates poy qa asxolhqoyn me ayto.

KWNSTANTAKOPOYLOS: Otan yphrxan ekloges sthn Toyrkia kai to ceydokratos, h diadikasia epilyshs toy Kypriakoy pagwse gia polloys mhnes me th sygkataqesh olhs ths dieqnoys koinothtas. Me dedomeno oti h kybernhsh exei zhthsei thn epispeysh twn eklogwn, me qema to Kypriako, kai me dedomeno epishs oti h diapragmateysh den afora mono ta dyo merh sthn Kypro, alla thn Ellada kai thn Toyrkia, giati yparxei kai mia symfwnia gia thn asfaleia, qewreite oti einai logiko na synexistei h qa prepei na doqei ena periqwrio xronoy, mexri toylaxiston th sygkrothsh ths neas ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Emeis den mporoyme na mpainoyme se logikes periqwriwn xronoy. Ean ontws yparxei dynatothta na arxisoyn na syzhtoyn oi koinothtes ayto qa to ektimhsei kai qa to apofasisei h idia h Kypriakh Dhmokratia. Den qa fanoyme se kamia periptwsh oti eimaste emeis poy dhmioyrgoyme to opoias morfhs problhma, giati den to dhmioyrgoyme. Kai epeidh pote den to exoyme dhmioyrghsei qa prepei na prosexoyme staqera, na eimaste sthn idia grammh. Epomenws, ean prokycei qema enarjhs syzhthsewn h diadikasiwn, einai safes oti yparxei apolyth synennohsh me thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia kai se ayth thn apolyth synennohsh qa kinhqoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, o k. Papadopoylos einai se qesh na analabei, an xreiastei, oles tis aparaithtes prwtoboylies. Alla, den exoyme mprosta mas kati tetoio, ws ypoqesh hmerwn. Yparxei pragmati kinhtikothta, alla den nomizw oti einai qema oligwn hmerwn to olo ayto zhthma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ws yphresiakh kybernhsh, dhladh, qa syzhtate gia to Kypriako;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferqhka ston k. Papadopoylo. To prosejate; Den einai yphresiakh kybernhsh o k. Papadopoylos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai to proseja. Eseis omws se liges hmeres qa eiste yphresiakh kybernhsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Meta tis 11 Febroyarioy poy qa dialyqei h Boylh, bebaiws yparxei ena qema. Alla ean sto plaisio ths synennohshs poy exei ginei xreiastei kapoia parembash ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, exoyme xarajei oles tis kinhseis, exoyme symfwnhsei se aytes, exoyme symfwnhsei apolyta to plaisio. Den mporw na problecw kati tetoio, den gnwrizw an qa ginei h oxi. Anamfibola prokeitai gia mia mikrh periodo gia thn Ellada, ena mesodiasthma. Alla, se kaqe periptwsh, h Kypriakh Dhmokratia exei syzhthsei kai symfwnhsei kai me thn ellhnikh kybernhsh oloys toys xeirismoys poy prepei na yparjoyn, an xreiastei gia opoiodhpote logo poy den mporw ayth th stigmh na problecw.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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