Greek Government Press Briefing, 04-01-16

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 16 Ianoyarioy 2004

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Shmera to ``Bhma'' exei kyrio qema oti oi Toyrkoi apodexqhkan to sxedio Anan. Pws to sxoliazete, giati ofeilw na pw oti den einai etsi akribws to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn kapoies qetikes anafores, se synenteyjeis kai oxi se epishmes anakoinwseis. Alla, kata th diarkeia dhlwsewn kai synenteyjewn, toso o k. Gkioyl, oso kai o Toyrkos Prwqypoyrgos k. Erntogan fainetai oti prosanatolizontai se kati diaforetiko.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Sth bash twn pragmatikothtwn, to tonizw@

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti fainetai pws prosanatolizontai h toylaxiston deixnoyn na prosanatolizontai se kati diaforetiko. Gia mas ta pragmata einai apla: Prepei na yparjoyn prwtoboylies gyrw apo to Kypriako; Bebaiws. Mesa se poio plaisio; Sto plaisio ths dieqnoys koinothtas, sto plaisio toy OHE, diapragmateysh gyrw apo to sxedio Anan. Emeis, kaqws kai h Kypriakh Dhmokratia, oxi apla eimaste etoimoi, alla kat` epanalhch exoyme tonisei oti eimaste yper ths enarjhs twn diapragmateysewn se ayth th bash. Blepoyme kinhtikothta sthn toyrkikh pleyra. Ayto einai alhqeia. Prepei na anoijoyn, omws, kai ta xartia kai na ginoyn safeis @makari ayto na ginei- kai na jekinhsei enas dialogos oysias. Emeis exoyme tis qeseis mas kai tis diekdikoyme. An h allh pleyra katanoei oti h dieqnhs koinothta apaitei na arxisei ayto to dialogo, tote qa kanei kai ayth ta kaqara bhmata ths. Exoyme kapoies endeijeis kai perimenoyme na doyme th synexeia. As mhn eimaste oyte apaisiodojoi, oyte yperaisiodojoi. Otan lew ``endeijeis'', anaferomai stis apostrofes, kyriws toy k. Gkioyl, alla kai toy k. Erntogan.

GKIKA: Shmera exoyme dyo nees dhmoskophseis poy deixnoyn oti kleinei h calida anamesa sta dyo megala kommata. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme pragmati dyo nees dhmoskophseis kai ektimw oti qa exoyme kai alles olo ayto to diasthma. Na doyme, omws, ti deixnoyn aytes oi dhmoskophseis. Exoyme, loipon, ena neo politiko plaisio kai oxi epikoinwniaka texnasmata. Exoyme mia megalh allagh. Exoyme elpides toy laoy pros to PASOK, pros to Giwrgo Papandreoy, pros thn paratajh mas. Se aytes tis elpides qa antapokriqoyme me tis politikes qeseis mas, me thn prospaqeia mas, me thn pisth stoys stoxoys kai ta oramata mas. Exoyme pollh doyleia akomh. Exoyn allajei ta pragmata. Emeis qa frontisoyme ayth thn elpida toy ellhnikoy laoy, thn elpida twn Ellhnwn politwn kai kyriws ths neolaias, na thn kanoyme prajh me tis politikes prwtoboylies mas, se ayth th nea selida, se ayth th nea epoxh poy anoigetai mprosta mas.

PANAGIWTOPOYLOY: O Economist ektima oti o Kwstas Karamanlhs qa kerdisei tis ekloges.

PRWTOPAPAS: O Economist mporei na to ektima, to qema einai ti ektima o ellhnikos laos, ti ektimoyn oi neoi mas, ti ektima o Ellhnas ergazomenos, o anqrwpos toy moxqoy. Blepete oti kaqhmerina ta pragmata allazoyn. Kai den allazoyn ws apotelesma, opws nomizoyn merikoi, epikoinwniakwn kinhsewn, alla einai baqia politikh ayth h allagh. Einai mia nea elpida, einai mia nea prosdokia, se mia nea epoxh. Emeis qa antapokriqoyme.

GKIKA: Yparxei qema paratashs twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: H dialysh ths Boylhs, symfwna me thn plhroforhsh poy exw, qa ginei sto diasthma metajy ths 9hs kai 12hs Febroyarioy. Sto diasthma poy apomenei apo shmera mexri tote qa prospaqhsoyme na kanoyme to kaqhkon mas, opws exoyme jekaqarisei. H kybernhsh leitoyrgei kai leitoyrgei kanonika. Thn allh Pempth, gia paradeigma, synedriazei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gia qemata twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn me eishghth ton ypoyrgo Politismoy Eyaggelo Benizelo. Synexizoyme to ergo mas, ylopoioyme ayta poy exoyme ejaggeilei. Giati na yparxei diafwnia se ayta; Einai kako na chfistei to nomosxedio gia to Asfalistiko, to nomosxedio gia thn enisxysh twn metrwn Apasxolhshs; O ellhnikos laos den exei na kerdisei apo thn chfish twn nomosxediwn poy eisagoyn ayta ta metra; Oi polites, oi ergazomenoi den exoyn na kerdisoyn apo thn chfish aytwn twn metrwn; Den katalabainoyme tis aitiaseis orismenwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati ta qymhqhkate molis twra ola ayta ta nomosxedia; Se proeklogikh periodo ta qymhqhkate; Pio prin ti kanate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ta nomosxedia ayta, sxedon sto synolo toys, exoyn ejaggelqei kai exoyn prokycei ws apotelesma toy dialogoy me toys koinwnikoys etairoys edw kai para poly kairo. Sas anaferw gia paradeigma ena qema meizonos koinwnikoy endiaferontos poy einai to nomosxedio to opoio eishgeitai o ypoyrgos Ergasias Dhmhtrhs Reppas gia thn koinwnikh asfalish. Jerete poso kairo oi kyrioi Reppas kai Spyropoylos syzhtoyn me th GSEE, me organwseis, me swmateia syntajioyxwn; Poso kairo exei proxwrhsei ayth h syzhthsh poy afora kati oysiastiko gia ton kosmo; Ejalloy, exei paroysiastei prin apo dyo mhnes. Den paroysiazetai twra. Twra einai h wra na teleiwsei, na chfistei. Giati antidrate; Giati antidroyn orismenoi; Giati; Otan einai kati poy symferei apolyta ton ellhniko lao, ton Ellhna ergazomeno; Ta symferonta toys koitazoyn, ta symferonta toy kommatos h ta symferonta ths koinwnias, ta symferonta olwn twn politwn; Emeis koitazoyme ta symferonta ths koinwnias, ta symferonta twn politwn. Ayto to ergo poy qa paraxqei einai qetiko gia toys polites. Den einai kati poy dhmioyrgei problhmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Olo to xrono den eixate kataqesei perissotera apo efta nomosxedia. Pws ginetai na katatiqentai twra mesa se mia ebdomada ennea nomosxedia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwta apo ola exete adiko ws pros ton ariqmo. Den jerw an qa chfistoyn ola. Einai qema ti qa prolabei h Boylh. Alla, H Boylh qa dialyqei, apo thn enhmerwsh poy exw, sto xroniko diasthma metajy 9hs kai 12hs Febroyarioy. O,ti prolaboyme omws mexri ekei, sto plaisio toy sebasmoy twn koinoboyleytikwn diadikasiwn @to tonizw ayto- qa ginei. Qelw na jekaqarisw oti ta nomosxedia ayta aforoyn hdh ejaggelqeises politikes kai oxi politikes poy erxontai twra. Epipleon, orismenes apo aytes einai kai apotelesma makroy dialogoy me toys koinwnikoys etairoys. Den mporei apo th mia na kathgoroyme thn kybernhsh oti den fernei nomosxedia, opws elegan orismenoi pro kairoy, kai oi idioi poy kathgoroysan thn kybernhsh oti den fernei nomosxedia na erxontai twra kai na kathgoroyn thn kybernhsh kai na lene mhn chfizete to qetiko gia toys ergazomenoys nomosxedio gia thn koinwnikh asfalish; Giati na mhn to chfisoyme; Den qa kerdisei o kosmos;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei ferei pote h kybernhsh epta nomosxedia se mia hmera;

PRWTOPAPAS: As symfwnhsoyn oi alles politikes dynameis me mia seira apo ayta kai qa doyme ti prepei na ginei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa synexistei ayth h istoria me toys Ellhnes poy phgainoyn sthn Amerikh na einai oi monadikoi apo thn E.E. poy qa toys pairnoyn fwtografies kai apotypwmata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw pei oti me th doyleia poy ginetai ayth th stigmh to qema ayto qa teleiwsei syntoma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan lete syntoma, ti ennoeite;

PRWTOPAPAS: H lejh ta leei ola. Yparxoyn sxetikes anafores toy k. Eystaqiadh, prin apo liges hmeres. Yphrje ontws mia kaqysterhsh, alla ginetai entatikh doyleia ayth th stigmh kai ektimw oti syntoma qa eimaste etoimoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: An den antimetwpizomaste to idio me toys alloys Eyrwpaioys@;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti qa ginei. Etoimazoyme thn allagh toy tropoy kai toy forea ekdoshs twn diabathriwn. Foreas ekdoshs twn diabathriwn qa einai to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs. Qa exoyme etsi ejomoiwsh me toys alloys Eyrwpaioys se mia seira proapaitoymena kai den qa yparxei logos stis HPA na synexisoyn ayth thn taktikh.

GKIKA: To prwi eixan mia synanthsh sth Boylh, sto Grafeio toy k. Akribakh, o k. Xrysoxoidhs, o k. Karatzaferhs kai o k. Akribakhs. Mhpws mporoyme na maqoyme ti syzhthsan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai dynaton na parakoloyqoyme ena stelexos toy kommatos, ena boyleyth h enan ypoyrgo, poion xaireta kai me poion mila sth Boylh; Tetoia synanthsh twn triwn den yphrje. Milhsa prin apo ligo me ton k. Xrysoxoidh kai moy eipe oti den egine tetoia synanthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws mporeite na moy peite giati apomakrynqhke h ka Arapogloy prin kleisei mhna;

PRWTOPAPAS: H ka Arapogloy den apomakrynqhke, paraithqhke dioti plhsiazei -opws gnwrizete- h proeklogikh periodos kai qelei na sthrijei thn ypochfiothta ths sth Qessalonikh. Gnwrizete, allwste, oti kata th diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy, apo th stigmh poy qa dialyqei h Boylh, efarmozetai o neos nomos gia ton periorismo emfanishs twn ypochfiwn, opote h ka Arapogloy -opws kai oloi mas- h opoia einai ypochfia sthn A` Qessalonikhs, qa eixe problhma emfanisewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den prokhryxqhkan oi ekloges.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, alla proetoimazomaste oloi.

Sxetika me to 35wro, epeidh grafthke oti o k. Xrysoxoidhs taxqhke yper toy, qa hqela na sas pw oti den prokyptei kati tetoio apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Xrysoxoidh. Ejalloy kai o idios to dieykrinise sth diarkeia xqesinhs thleoptikhs emfanishs toy. Qelw na tonisw oti o Grammateas ths K.E. toy PASOK, alla kai kaqe stelexos toy Kinhmatos, fysika qa einai yper toy dialogoy metajy twn koinwnikwn etairwn sta qemata poy toys aforoyn. O k. Polyzwgopoylos, ws Proedros ths GSEE dieykrinise xqes sth synanthsh toy me ton k. Xrysoxoidh, oti h GSEE qetei qema meiwshs toy xronoy ergasias. Ayto einai gnwsto. Den einai h prwth fora poy to qetei. Einai mia pagia qesh ths GSEE. Yparxei, loipon, mia pragmatikothta. Qa yparjei enas koinwnikos dialogos, sxetika me to qema ths meiwshs toy xronoy ergasias. Einai logiko to PASOK, to opoio einai ena komma me baqies rizes sthn koinwnia kai toys ergazomenoys, na enqarrynei to dialogo kai na endiaferetai gia ta opoia apotelesmata yparxoyn. Ayto einai to pragmatiko periexomeno.

GEROPOYLOS: H kybernhsh sto qema ths meiwshs twn wrwn ergasias ti qesh exei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme jekaqarisei oti tetoia nomoqetikh parembash, se ayth th fash, den qa yparjei. Den exei allajei kati. Exoyme, epishs, jekaqarisei oti san komma poy exei amesh sxesh me thn koinwnia enqarrynoyme to dialogo anamesa stis koinwnikes dynameis se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Mas endiaferei h koinwnia na syzhta, na briskei neoys dromoys kai na lynei me to dialogo ta problhmata. Einai logiko na to enqarrynoyme ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti tetoia nomoqetikh parembash den qa yparjei. Dhladh den prokeitai na ginei. Kai apo thn allh lete qa ginei dialogos. Ti dialogos qa ginei dhladh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti apo thn kybernhsh ayth den qa yparjei tetoia nomoqetikh parembash. Na jekaqarisw oti einai diaforetiko pragma h epibolh kai diaforetiko o dialogos. Kai kala kanate poy me rwthsate gia na jekaqarisw to qema. H kybernhsh mas apo thn arxh eixe pei oti den protiqetai na parembei nomoqetika kai na pei oti apo shmera kai sto ejhs kaqierwnetai ayto h ekeino, se sxesh me ta zhthmata toy xronoy ergasias. Omws, eixame pei oti me idiaitero endiaferon antimetwpizoyme to dialogo, poy ginetai mesa sthn koinwnia. Ean aytos o dialogos apodwsei qetika apotelesmata sth meiwsh toy xronoy ergasias kai symfwnhsoyn oi koinwnikoi etairoi, sto plaisio ths Eqnikhs Genikhs Syllogikhs Symbashs Ergasias, eimaste oi prwtoi poy qa to xairethsoyme. Ean xreiastei ayto to qema ths symfwnias na dieykolynqei, safws qa to dieykolynoyme. Allo einai h anwqen epibolh kai allo o dialogos. Eimaste yper toy dialogoy se ola ta koinwnika zhthmata, wste na anazhthsoyme neoys dromoys, na broyme nea qemata kai na bohqhsoyme thn koinwnia na brei lyseis, na diamorfwsei ena neo periballon.

GEROPOYLOS: H kybernhsh pisteyei oti h katastash ths ellhnikhs oikonomias antexei th meiwsh wrwn ergasias, estw kai ean ayto prokycei mesa apo ton koinwniko dialogo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto dialogo den qa ektimhqoyn oi synqhkes; O k. Polyzwgopoylos exei qesei to qema sth diarkeia ths syzhthshs gia thn Eqnikh Syllogikh Symbash Ergasias. Enoxlei na symfwnhsoyn h GSEE kai o SEB se mia tetoia kateyqynsh; Qa eimaste idiaitera eytyxeis ean yparjei mia tetoia symfwnia. Gia poio logo na ginontai tetoioy eidoys dhlwseis; To PASOK aisqanetai panta ypoxrewmeno na parakoloyqhsei kai na enqarrynei to dialogo sthn koinwnia kai na perimenei ta apotelesmata toy.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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