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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Noembrioy 2003

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela symplhrwmatika na sas enhmerwsw oti sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy prostiqentai ta ejhs:

Thn Tetarth, stis 19.00 qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh.

Thn Pempth, stis 19.00 qa exei synanthsh me to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs. toy PASOK Mixalh Xrysoxoidh.

Thn Kyriakh to meshmeri o Prwqypoyrgos qa parastei sta egkainia ths Attikhs odoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: H apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy na apopemcei ton k. Spyrioynh apo thn K.O. toy PASOK, aformh htan h xqesinh omilia toy h h genikoterh stash toy, opws mas eipan;

PRWTOPAPAS: H apofash ayth elhfqh logw kai ths genikoterhs stashs toy boyleyth Qessalonikhs, olo ayto to diasthma, h opoia htan gnwsth. Xqes, phre mia akoma prwtoboylia me th qesh toy gia thn yperchfish ths protashs nomoy ths N.D. Ola ayta synektimwntai.

IWANNOY: Eidame xqes oti kapoioi boyleytes ths N.D. -yphrxe entash sth Boylh, opws o k. Polydwras, o opoios milhse se poly entono yfos kai h ka Mpenakh, h opoia eipe oti einai mia ``mayrh'' hmera toy koinoboyleytismoy- kathgorhsan ton Prwqypoyrgo oti parabiazei syntagmatika dikaiwmata, epeidh boyleyths symfwnhse me protash nomoy enos alloy kommatos, gia thn opoia den egine kan chfoforia kai h opoia eixe, hdh, aporrifqei. Ti exte na peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Polydwras fainetai oti den htan sth Boylh, otan o arxhgos ths N.D. ebgaze apo thn K.O. sygkekrimenoys synadelfoys toy. Profanws qa eleipe ekeinh thn hmera kai den to qymotan. O k. Polydwras qa eprepe na qymatai th stash toy arxhgoy toy kommatos toy, o opoios otan elaban sygkekrimenh qesh treis h tesseris boyleytes toy, toys eixe diagracei apo thn K.O. Qymaste poly kala ti egine tote. O k. Polydwras htan sthn aiqoysa ekeinh thn hmera h eleipe; Kanena syntagmatiko dikaiwma kai kanena arqro toy Syntagmatos den parabiazetai. Gnwrizei poly kala oti einai dikaiwma toy Proedroy ths K.O. na qetei ektos K.O. -kai oxi ektos Boylhs- boyleytes poy h stash, h symperifora kai oi politikes prwtoboylies toys einai ektos strathgikhs toy kommatos. Mhpws o k. Karamanlhs den exei kanei to idio; To jexasan;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti, logw ths genikoterhs stashs ton teleytaio kairo, o k. Spyrioynhs exei pei perissotera ap o,ti exei pei o k. Pagkalos kai malista eggrafws gia ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mh sygxeete anomoia pragmata. Milame gia sygkekrimenh stash sth Boylh.

STAMATOPOYLOS:Gia th genikoterh stash toy ton teleytaio kairo, eipate.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sth Boylh.

BITALHS: Yphrxe qema kommatikhs peiqarxias xqes sth Boylh gia thn chfoforia sthn protash ths N.D.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den shmainei oti opote den yparxei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias, den yparxei kai syneidhsh twn boyleytwn. H yperchfish mias protashs, kaqara ypokritikhs, proeklogikoy xarakthra, poy tipota den exei na prosqesei se sxesh prohgoymenhs syzhthshs, h yperchfish mias protashs, poy oysiastika epixeiroyse na akyrwsei oloys toys nomoys poy exei nomoqethsei to PASOK, gia th diaxeirish toy dhmosioy xrhmatos, qetikoys nomoys, alla kai th genikoterh prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, htan mia palaia epilogh. En pash periptwsei, synektimhqhke h olh stash toy sygkekrimenoy synadelfoy sto Koinoboylio.

IWANNOY: Ma, den yphrxe chfoforia xqes, h sygkekrimenh protash nomoy eixe hdh aporrifqei apo thn Epitroph.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw sthn omilia toy k. Spyrioynh, o opoios dhlwse ``symfwnw kai sthrizw ayth thn protash''. Ara, to qema den einai diadikastiko. Einai politiko, einai qema oysias. Einai qema oysias na sthrizeis anafandon mia ypokritikh kai proeklogikoy xarakthra protash alloy kommatos. Mia protash poy den prosqetei tipota se ena idiaitera sobaro zhthma, to opoio ypotiqetai oti hqele na qerapeysei, enw antiqeta stoxo eixe na amfisbhthsei na yponomeysei. Htan mia prospaqeia dhmioyrgias bashs gia katarghsh seiras qetikwn nomwn poy aforoyn th diafaneia kai th diaxeirish dhmosioy xrhmatos kai thn prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy poy exei kanei to PASOK. Amfisbhthse thn politikh toy PASOK se idiaitera krisimoys tomeis. Den einai h prwth fora. Yparxei synektimhsh ths olhs stashs.

IWANNOY: Epeidh den htan h prwth fora poy o k. Spyrioynhs phre kapoia qesh sto Koinoboylio, opws eipate, qelw na rwthsw, ean o Prwqypoyrgos enoxlhqhke apo ayth thn apanthtikh epistolh toy k. Spyrioynh, sthn opoia amfisbhthse ton idio, ws arxhgo toy PASOK.

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos pote den krinei proswpika. Yphrje mia synektimhsh ths politikhs stashs toy k. Spyrioynh, se seira sobarwn qematwn, ta opoia syzhtoyntai sto Koinoboylio kai aforoysan th genikoterh stash toy, se o,ti afora to kybernhtiko ergoy.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Twra, k. Ypoyrge, ean den eixe symbei ayto, xqes sth Boylh, den qa eixe@

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa eixe symbei kati allo. Kapoia stigmh, ola ayta prostiqentai kai to pothri jexeilizei.

BITALHS: Dhladh, me aformh o,ti egine me ton k. Spyrioynh xqes, apo edw kai pera, boyleyths, o opoios eklegetai apo ton ellhniko lao, as poyme me ta chfodeltia toy PASOK, den qa mporei sth Boylh, se ena opoiodhpote nomosxedio, se mia opoiadhpote erwthsh, na exei ena diaforetiko skeptiko kai mia diaforetikh topoqethsh apo thn epishmh ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa egw tetoio pragma; Ti einai ayta poy lete;

BITALHS: Ma, ayto lete. Oti o k. Spyrioynhs yperchfise mia protash, h opoia einai yponomeytikh sthn politikh toy PASOK.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn kanoyme pws den katalabainoyme. To epanalambanw gia na ginei safws katanohto. Synektimhqhke h olh stash toy se seira sobarwn qematwn, politikwn zhthmatwn, poy eixan teqei sto Koinoboylio. Yparxei anqrwpos edw, p.x. poy na pisteyei oti o k. Spyrioynhs, oysiastika, edw kai kairo den eixe diaxwrisei th qesh toy apo thn kybernhtikh politikh se seira sobarwn qematwn; Synektimhqhke, bebaiws, kai h stash toy se mia protash nomoy, h opoia kaqe allo para htan yper ths diafaneias. Htan mia proeklogikoy xarakthra kinhsh ths N.D., h opoia apeblepe sthn apodynamwsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ma, eixe katateqei prin ena xrono.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eixe janasyzhthqei. Kanete pws den to qymaste;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto lew, eixe janasyzhthqei, opote den einai proeklogikh prajh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ma, akribws gi` ayto lew -epeidh eixe janasyzhthqei- oti einai proeklogikh prajh kai aney oysias. Otan topoqeteisai yper, se ena qema, enw dyo fores to exeis aporricei, shmainei oti kaneis epilogh politikoy xarakthra. En pash periptwsei, den nomizw @giati prepei na milame kaqara metajy mas- pws yparxei anqrwpos edw poy na mh gnwrizei oti olo to teleytaio xroniko diasthma, se seira krisimwn epilogwn, yphrxe mia teleiws diaforetikh stash toy k. Spyrioynh apo th stash poy akoloyqoyse to PASOK.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, edw prosfata o Prwqypoyrgos dyo stelexh ta ebgale ektos, gia logoys diafaneias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Twra, ti sxesh exei ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws den exei sxesh; Epeidh eipate gia thn protash nomoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kamia sxesh den exei h protash ths N.D. me qemata epi ths oysias ths diafaneias. An th diabasete, qa to deite poly kaqara.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei, omws, sxesh me th diafqora.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws thn ennoei h N.D. kai oxi opws pragmatika einai.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei mia filologia oti to kybernwn komma exei kapoioy eidoys epafes, synomilies telos pantwn, me ton k. Samara kai oti yparxei ena endexomeno, eite o idios, eite stelexh ths POL.AN. na entaxqoyn sta chfodeltia toy PASOK. Exei bash ayth h filologia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa syzhthsoyme edw gia chfodeltia; Den to gnwrizw, to eipa kai xqes kai to epanalambanw gia na mhn yparjei parejhghsh. Alla, den einai qema ayths ths syzhthshs, se ayth thn aiqoysa. Epomenws, einai dyo oi arnhseis moy, mia epi ths oysias kai mia epi ths diadikasias.

IWANNOY: Ma, lete oti den to gnwrizete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, alla den einai kai qema syzhthshs sthn politikh enhmerwsh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Mia dieykrinish: Se ayto poy eipate, oti synektimhqhke h genikoterh stash toy, an synektimhqhke kai h stash poy krathse sto qema ths apoxwrhshs toy k. Papaqemelh, olo ayto to diasthma.

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti eixa na pw ep` aytoy, to eipa.

TSAKIRHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h apopomph toy k. Spyrioynh einai ena metro peiqarxias, enocei toy Proypologismoy. Fobatai h kybernhsh mhpws@

PRWTOPAPAS: Kamia sxesh den exei. H kybernhsh den fobatai tipota kai den yparxei kanena problhma.

FILHS: H apopomph toy k. Spyrioynh einai oristikh toso, oso htan kai h prohgoymenh apopomph toy; Giati, eixe diagrafei ligo prin erqei o k. Shmiths, epi Andrea Papandreoy kai o k. Shmiths ton epanefere. Gi` ayto rwtw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw kati na prosqesw. Ayta poy eixa na pw ta eipa kai htan safh. Ejalloy, opws gnwrizete, o k. Spyrioynhs den qa einai kai ypochfios stis ekloges, kata dikh toy epiqymia.

FILHS: Efoson einai o k. Shmiths arxhgos toy PASOK. Etsi exei pei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai. Apo thn wra, loipon, poy einai o k. Shmiths arxhgos toy PASOK, den yparxei qema syzhthshs.

KALARITHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, epi ths oysias, ean exei metablhqei kai kata poso h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia to Symfwno Staqerothtas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean me rwtate, me aformh th xqesinh syzhthsh sto EKOFIN, an exei allajei h qesh apenanti sto Symfwno Staqerothtas, apantoyme oti den exei allajei h qesh mas. Ejalloy kai sth xqesinh apofash toy EKOFIN, opoy oysiastika egkriqhke h protash ths Proedrias, ayto tonizetai, oti den exei allajei kati se sxesh me to Symfwno Staqerothtas. Yparxei, omws, anagkh na synektimhqoyn kapoies synqhkes kai na deijoyme katanohsh apenanti se ena sygkekrimeno problhma poy antimetwpizoyn dyo xwres. Kai ayto, gia thn kalyterh koinh prospaqeia poy xreiazetai na katabaloyme oloi, sto plaisio ths E.E..

KALARITHS: Yparxoyn kapoies sklhres dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Metaforwn kata ths hgesias toy OTE, gia to qema twn ypallhlwn, alla exei kanei logo kai gia laqos epixeirhmatikes epiloges. H kybernhsh symfwnei me ton ypoyrgo ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw na prosqetw kati ep` aytoy.

DEIMEZHS: Qelw to sxolio sas gia th dhlwsh bomba ths kas Mpakogiannh poy epekrine ton Kwsth Stefanopoylo, legontas oti, apodexomenos thn protash na ginei Proedros ths Dhmokratias, anekoce thn poreia ths N.D. pros thn eklogikh nikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw kamia proqesh na krinw tis dhlwseis ths Dhmarxoy Aqhnaiwn. Den mas endiaferoyn, se telikh analysh, oi prooptikes ths N.D.. Ayto poy gnwrizw -kai edw prepei na meinw- einai oti o k. Stefanopoylos exei dikaiwsei plhrws thn eklogh toy sta matia toy ellhnikoy laoy. Einai enas idiaitera katajiwmenos Proedros, eyrytata apodektos apo ton ellhniko lao. Den nomizw oti xreiazetai na stekomaste panw se opoiadhpote dhlwsh poy prospaqei na ton emplejei se mikrokommatikes skopimothtes. Ayto einai laqos.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Sto qema ths asfaleias, yparxei kapoia ejelijh, giati xqes yphrxe mia sygkexymenh eikona, ean telika qa emplakei to NATO, poios qa exei ton elegxo k.t.l.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Tonisa kai xqes kai to epanalambanw oti, se kaqe periptwsh, ton elegxo toy oloy systhmatos kai ths efarmoghs toy gyrw apo thn asfaleia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn qa ton exei h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai oi ellhnikes arxes asfaleias. Oi ellhnikes arxes asfaleias einai apolyta ikanes na feroyn se peras ayto to idiaitera shmantiko ergo. Apo ekei kai pera, den exoyme krycei oti synergazomaste me yphresies allwn xwrwn, wste na beltiwsoyme systhmata poy exoyn sxesh me sygxrones texnikes, na antallajoyme plhrofories kai na ajiopoihsoyme opoiadhpote dynatothta yparxei, prokeimenoy ayto to sxedio na kaqistatai akomh pio plhres kai apotelesmatiko. Oson afora thn emplokh toy NATO, exoyme jekaqarisei oti den yparxei periptwsh emplokhs NATOikwn dynamewn sto olo systhma asfaleias kai sthn efarmogh toy. Bebaiws, synergazomaste me to NATO, eimaste xwra-melos toy NATO, antallassoyme plhrofories kai apoceis se kapoia zhthmata. Ayta ginontai kai qa ginontai.

KOYIN: Aplws gia na jekaqarisoyme to qema, to opoio eqese synadelfos. Eite to qeloyme, eite oxi oloi syzhtoyn oti h Ellada exei zhthsei tria AWACKS enaerias epithrhshs apo to NATO. Opws eipate kai xqes, h Ellada einai melos toy NATO, ara den zhtame strateymata.

PRWTOPAPAS:Oyte strateymata zhtame, oyte emplokh Natoikwn dynamewn. Oti antallassoyme plhrofories, antallassoyme.

KOYIN: Apla sas rwtaw eyqews. Exei zhthsei tetoia syndromh h Ellada;

PRWTOPAPAS: H Ellada einai melos toy NATO, synergazetai me to NATO, antallassoyme plhrofories me to NATO. Ayto apanta sto erwthma sas.

BITALHS: Epeidh polla grafontai kai polla akoygontai tis teleytaies hmeres, na sas rwthsw eyqews. Yparxei apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, meletwntai h etoimazontai kapoies dimereis h polymereis symfwnies poy aforoyn asfaleia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn kai pio sygkekrimena, an zhtame me kapoies symfwnies poy etoimazoyme kapoia peraiterw syndromh gia kapoio epeisodio poy den mporoyme na antimetwpisoyme monoi mas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti exoyme ena oloklhrwmeno sxedio poy exei syntaxqei me th symbolh epta xwrwn, me tis opoies synergazomaste stena kai qa synergazomaste. To sxedio ayto hdh proxwrei, se sxesh me tis dokimes kai thn efarmogh toy -ayto einai kai h ennoia ths lejhs "dokimh"- apo tis ellhnikes Arxes Asfaleias, sto plaisio poy exoyn thn eyqynh kai qa exoyn thn eyqynh. Einai apolyta ikanes na feroyn se peras ayto to ergo. Kaq@ olh th diarkeia ths anaptyjhs qa synexistei, bebaiws, kai h synergasia mas me tis yphresies twn allwn xwrwn. Qa exoyme synergasies me alles xwres, ekei poy krinoyme emeis oti xreiazetai na yparjoyn aytes oi synergasies. Den nomizw oti xreiazetai na syzhthsoyme kati peraiterw.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Epeidh eipate oti synergazeste kai me alles xwres, meta ta teleytaia gegonota poy eixame sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, qa yparjei synergasia kai me tis toyrkikes arxes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia to systhma asfaleias twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, den jerw, an exoyn kati na prosqesoyn oi toyrkikes arxes. Einai ena allo qema. An ennoeite gia thn katapolemhsh ths dieqnoys tromokratias, me oloys exoyme synergasia. Gia thn katapolemhsh ths dieqnoys tromokratias h synergasia prepei na einai me oloys. Alla eidika gia to systhma asfaleias twn O.A. exoyme epilejei epta xwres, dioti aytes exoyn thn katallhlh texnognwsia.

FILHS: Xqes, to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs edwse sth dhmosiothta ena katalogo apo eidh laikhs katanalwshs, trofima, apo to opoio prokyptei oti toylaxiston ta misa -h epilogh einai toy ypoyrgeioy- apo persi mexri fetos, Oktwbrio me Oktwbrio dhladh, exoyn ayjhsei tis times toys panw apo to ryqmo toy plhqwrismoy. Qa hqela ena sxolio.

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti exw na pw exei kalyfqei plhrws apo tis dhlwseis twn kyriwn Tsoxatzopoyloy kai Koyloyrh. Den exw na prosqesw tipota. To ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs dinei panta endeiktika thn poreia twn timwn kai tis ayjhseis kai tis meiwseis, enhmerwnei diarkws ton ellhniko lao, agwnizetai. Kanei mia sygkrothmenh kai oloklhrwmenh prospaqeia gia thn patajh ths aisxrokerdeias kai th sygkrathsh toy plhqwrismoy. Pragmatika einai mia shmantikh prospaqeia poy ejelissetai.

FILHS: Para th shmantikh prospaqeia diapistwnoyme oti exoyme akribeia, me bash ta stoixeia toy ypoyrgeioy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw na prosqesw kati, pera twn oswn exoyn dhlwsei oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi kai ta stoixeia poy dinei to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, poy kanei mia poly shmantikh doyleia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean o Prwqypoyrgos qa steilei ston eisaggelea tis skies skandalwn diaxeirishs gia ton k. Smpwko kai ton k. Neonakh, toys opoioys apepemce gi ayto to logo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den jerw na yparxei kanena skandalo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws toys apepemce tote;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto afora to PASOK.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipe oti opoios exei stoixeia na ta dwsei ston eisaggelea. Paei na pei oti exoyn stoixeia@

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei kaneis stoixeia kai den ta edwse ston eisaggelea;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den afora thn politikh enhmerwsh poy ginetai se ayth thn aiqoysa, me poia krithria ginontai oi epiloges toy PASOK gia ta chfodeltia toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan milame gia skies diaxeirishs..

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kamia skia diaxeirishs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Etsi eipe.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn ayth th stigmh ektimhseis toy PASOK, tis opoies kanei me ta dika toy krithria, sta dika toy organa, oi opoies bebaiws, den aforoyn ayth thn aiqoysa.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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