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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 30 Septembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Shmera to prwi, kata th diarkeia thleoptikhs ekpomphs, o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias B. Meimarakhs, kathgorhse thn kybernhsh kai to Swma Diwjhs Oikonomikoy Egklhmatos (SDOE) gia elegxo se synaylia toy S. Spanoydakh, poy diorganwse kapoia etairia sth Qessalonikh.

Qelw na dwsw kapoia stoixeia gia to ti ginetai se aytes tis periptwseis, gia thn apokatastash ths alhqeias kai sth synexeia na kanw ena politiko sxolio. Apo tis 7/10/1998, me egkyklio toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, thn opoia ypografei o tote G.G. X. Alamanos, entellontai oi efories na gnwstopoioyn sth kentrikh yphresia to SDOE antitypo ths katastashs gia ta qewrhqenta eisithria qeamatwn poy periodeyoyn. Etsi, gia kaqe synaylia diorganwnetai apo kapoia etairia, me opoiondhpote kallitexnh, synqeth h tragoydisth, ta eisithria qewroyntai apo thn armodia oikonomikh eforia ths perioxhs, h opoia einai staqera kai monima ypoxrewmenh (apo tis 7/10/1998) na enhmerwnei to SDOE gia na kanei toys prolhptikoys elegxoys. Pragmati, kata th diarkeia toy fetinoy kalokairioy, to SDOE, me bash tis eidopoihseis poy eixe parei apo tis efories, ekane elegxoys se synaylies stis opoies symmeteixan oi kallitexnes Garmph, Remos, Libieratos, Bandh, Toyrnas, Kotsiras, se synaylia sth Samoqrakh me diaforoys kallitexnes, kaqws kai se qeatrikh parastash me ton k. Kimoylh. Kai epishs, sth Qessalonikh, se synaylies twn Papakwnstantinoy, Nikolopoyloy, Makedona, Katsaroy me thn Kanellidoy, Kotsira kai allwn. Exoyn yparjei para polloi elegxoi kai -opws gnwrizete- kaneis den diamartyrhqhke. Kat` arxas, oi elegxoi den aforoyn toys kallitexnes, alla tis etairies poy diorganwnoyn tis synaylies, dioti apenanti stis efories einai ypeyqynes oi etairies kai oxi o kallitexnhs. Anaferw ola ayta ta onomata gia na tonistei oti einai koino to metro kai isxyei gia oloys. Den ginetai epilogh. Ara, efoson elegxqhkan oloi aytoi oi anqrwpoi kai den diamartyrhqhkan, den katalabainw giati den eprepe na elegxqei o k. Spanoydakhs, o opoios diamartyretai kai den gnwrizw to logo. Isws, qewrei oti elegxqhke, epeidh einai filos toy k. Karamanlh, opws dhlwse o idios. Lanqasmena.

Mexri edw den qa yphrxe qema, oyte qa to sxoliaza. Ektimw oti, otan o k. Meimarakhs kanei dhlwsh, thn kanei kai ws Grammateas ths N.D.. Den einai kapoios tyxaios, einai qesmiko proswpo. Ara, h N.D. exei tetoies antilhceis. To politiko erwthma poy tiqetai einai to ejhs: Zhtoyme na mas apanthsei h N.D.:

Prwton, ean qewrei oti oi Ellhnes polites einai h oxi isoi enwpion toy nomoy. Deyteron, ean qewrei oti yparxoyn Ellhnes polites oi opoioi exoyn alla dikaiwmata apo toys ypoloipoys, epeidh einai filoi toy k. Karamanlh. Dioti einai h deyterh fora poy ginetai sxetikh syzhthsh. H prwth aforoyse tis etairies dhmoskophsewn. Tiqetai, loipon, to erwthma ean h N.D. apodexetai thn kata to Syntagma mas isothta twn politwn h an pisteyei oti kapoioi Ellhnes jexwrizoyn apo to synolo, me monadiko krithrio oti einai filoi toy k. Karamanlh, eite prokeitai gia etairies, eite gia synqetes, eite gia otidhpote allo. Perimenoyme apanthsh se ayto to erwthma. Dioti, ean h apanthsh einai "nai", tote katalabainete oti janagyrizoyme sto diaxwrismo twn Ellhnwn politwn, se katadikasmenes katastaseis toy parelqontos apo tis opoies fainetai oti h N.D. den exei jefygei akomh.

Triton, ean ola ayta einai epikoinwniaka trik gia na dhlwqei se kapoioys poy qeloyn thn asydosia oti "qa katarghsoyme to SDOE" kai kleinoyn to mati apo th mia kai se kapoioys alloys poy qeloyn thn omhria kai toys aresei h pelateiakh sxesh oti "qa baloyme ta dika mas paidia" kai kleinoyn to mati apo thn allh, ean ayth einai h politikh taktikh ths N.D. gia tis ekloges, tote foboymaste oti odhgoymaste se aney prohgoymenoy piswgyrisma ths politikhs zwhs, odhgoymaste sto 19on aiwna, odhgoymaste se politikes taktikes gia tis opoies mono oi lejeis "krima" kai "ntroph" mporoyn na apodwsoyn.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

BITALHS: Apo xqes fainetai oti h Toyrkia, me thn apofash toy Anwtatoy Dikasthrioy gia to apotelesma twn eklogwn, mpainei se mia periodo astaqeias, qa th legame. Hdh, h E.E. ejefrase problhmatismo kai anhsyxia gia tis synepeies apo ayth thn apofash kai gia tis ejelijeis poy mporei na yparjoyn sthn Toyrkia. H ellhnikh kybernhsh pws antimetwpizei ayth thn katastash; Kai deyteron, ektimate oti opoiadhpote astaqeia sto eswteriko ths Toyrkias qa exei epiptwseis akomh kai sthn poreia proseggishs kai dialogoy poy yparxei sta ellhnotoyrkika kai to Kypriako;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, na tonisw oti opoiadhpote periptwsh astaqeias sth geitona xwra einai logiko na dhmioyrgei anhsyxia kai se mas kai se oloklhrh thn Eyrwph. Emeis qeloyme mia staqerh Toyrkia, mia anaptygmenh Toyrkia, mia Toyrkia me eyrwpaikh poreia. Kaqe periptwsh poy mporei na dhmioyrghsei synqhkes mh staqerothtas sth geitona, einai logiko na mas kanei na anhsyxoyme, toso emas, oso kai toys alloys Eyrwpaioys. As mh biastoyme na kanoyme genikoteres ektimhseis. Parakoloyqoyme thn katastash. Yparxoyn kai kapoies shmerines anafores. Oi syzhthseis poy ginontai metajy twn diplwmatwn proxwroyn. Den mporoyme na gnwrizoyme poy qa katalhjoyn, oyte na ekfrasoyme kapoia ektimhsh, ayth th stigmh. Omws, ejelissontai. Yparxoyn kapoies genikoteres prooptikes se sxesh me thn E.E., enw den yphrxan analoges prooptikes (toylaxiston me ta shmerina dedomena kai th stash toy k. Ntenktas) gia to Kypriako. Ola ayta synektimoyntai. En pash periptwsei, einai poly nwris gia na bgaloyme symperasmata kai na katalhjoyme se ektimhseis. Ekeino poy elpizoyme kai qeloyme na eyxhqoyme einai na yparjoyn synqhkes politikhs staqerothtas, wste na proxwrhsoyn oi syzhthseis aytes, na jananoijei to Kypriako kai bebaiws na antimetwpistei h eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias.

KONTOPANOS: Milhsate ligo prin gia to ASEP kai eipate gia ta "dika mas ta paidia". Na sas ypenqymisw oti edw kai 15 hmeres o "Adesmeytos Typos" toy Mhtsh, paroysiazei mia seira apo eggrafa-ntokoymenta gia tis paratypies poy exoyn ginei sto ASEP, me onomata. Malista, qelw na sas pw oti sas kataggellei -oxi esas proswpika- alla tis meqodeyseis toy ASEP kai isws kai toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias, o Synhgoros toy Polith me eggrafo toy se para poly aysthrh glwssa. Ep@ aytoy, den eidame kamia eyaisqhsia apo kybernhtikhs pleyras, oyte apo pleyras ypoyrgeioy. H anakoinwsh poy esteile o Proedros toy ASEP sthn efhmerida qa th xarakthriza toylaxiston ws asteia kai kanonika qa eprepe hdh na exei epembei o eisaggeleas, epeidh milhsate gia dika mas paidia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas parakaloysa, kat` arxas, na sebeste ton Proedro toy ASEP, o opoios exei epilegei apo th Boylh kai oxi apo thn kybernhsh kai na mh xarakthrizete etsi eykola kai me toso epiqetikoys xarakthrismoys tis anakoinwseis toy, ean ayto to katalaba kala.

KONTOPANOS: Fantazomai oti exete parakoloyqhsei ta dhmosieymata, alla to na leei dyo fores oti exei ginei laqos...

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite, alla se ayth thn aiqoysa qa sas parakaloysa na apofeygete tetoioys xarakthrismoys. O rolos sas einai na rwtate. Mporei na mhn apodexqeite kaqoloy thn apanthsh moy kai mporei na thn kritikarete sthn efhmerida h to kanali sas kai mporei na diafwnhsete plhrws, alla edw ypoballete erwthseis kai dinoyme apanthseis. Den kanoyme politiko dialogo. Politiko dialogo kanoyme me th N.D. kai ta alla kommata.

Se o,ti rwtate, apantoyme. Ean, loipon, erwthqw gia sygkekrimenh periptwsh, qa th dw kai qa apanthsw. Steilte moy, loipon, ayrio th sygkekrimenh erwthsh poy qelete kai egw qa cajw na brw sthn efhmerida thn pro 15 hmerwn sygkekrimenh periptwsh kai qa sas apanthsw.

KONTOPANOS: Ena prwto sxolio nomizw oti qa mporoysame na exoyme.

PRWTOPAPAS: To ASEP to exoyme perifroyrhsei kai sthrijei plhrws. Pisteyoyme sthn plhrh diafaneia kai ajiokratia poy prowqeitai sto dhmosio tomea. To ASEP einai mia katakthsh poy den qa epistecoyme oyte emeis, oyte o ellhnikos laos, na afaireqei. H N.D., enw gnwrizei oti den mporei na katarghsei to ASEP, proxwra me ``periergo'' tropo se antikatastash toy onomatos toy. Giati; Yparxei logos; Ean htan eilikrinhs den qa elege na allajei to onoma toy. Qa elege aplws oti, allazw kapoies diadikasies gia na ginoyn pio apotelesmatikes. Alla, den kanei ayto. Qelei na allajei kai to onoma. Den prokeitai profanws gia allagh onomatos, alla gia allagh domhs. Giati allazei to onoma kai olh th domh; Dioti qelei na dhmioyrghsei problhmata kai kaqysterhseis. H N.D. leei oti qa kanei diagwnismo gia olo to dhmosio tomea. Einai tetoia h polypoikilothta twn ptyxiwn, twn prosontwn kai twn gnwsewn poy apaitoyntai gia proslhceis, poy apokleietai na kalyfqoyn me eniaio diagwnismo. Den yparxei kamia periptwsh. H N.D. qa dhmioyrghsei terastia kaqysterhsh me thn allagh toy ASEP. Kaqysterhsh me toys diagwnismoys. Kai den einai dynato na mhn ginontai proslhceis, se ayto to diasthma. Kleinei, loipon, to mati gi` ayto to mesodiasthma sta ``dika mas paidia''. Mono poy toys phrame eidhsh, giati jeroyme na diabazoyme.

KONTOPANOS: Se oles aytes tis kataggelies -giati den milame mono gia ena dhmosieyma, alla gia deka dhmosieymata kai me xartia- h kybernhsh qa parei metra h qa meinoyme sth qewria oti qa to doyme;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh synexws lambanei praktika metra.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Akoysa shmera ton prwhn ypoyrgo k. Mpeno na xarakthrizei ta metra poy anakoinwse xqes h N.D. ws qetika kai malista eipe xarakthristika oti exoyn arwma oikoymenikothtas. Qa hqela na moy peite pws sxoliazete th dhlwsh toy k. Mpenoy. Ean kineitai ektos kybernhtikhs grammhs, giati akoysame esas kai alla stelexh na tis epikrinoyn kai ean yparxoyn diaforetikes ektimhseis sto kybernwn komma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti o k. Mpenos den einai sthn kybernhsh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Eipa, prwhn ypoyrgos. Exei qhteysei sto ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn kai kata synepeia exei gnwsh toy qematos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, alla ayth th stigmh den einai melos ths kybernhshs, epomenws den exw kanena logo na krinw tis apoceis toy. Einai proswpikes apoceis toy k. Mpenoy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den payei, omws, na einai ena shmantiko stelexos toy kybernwntos kommatos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto den afora emas kai th syzhthsh mas. Oydepote krinw apoceis boyleytwn. O k. Meimarakhs den einai enas aplos boyleyths poy eipe kapoy, kati, kapote. Einai qesmiko proswpo.

KANELLOPOYLOS: H erwthsh einai sygkekrimenh: Pws sxoliazete th dhlwsh toy k. Mpenoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw kanena logo na th sxoliasw, giati den einai kybernhtiko stelexos. Oi apoceis toy k. Mpenoy desmeyoyn mono ton idio kai kanenan allo.

SIDERHS: H kybernhsh fainetai oti epimenei na synerghsei se mia seira katarghshs epimeroys metrwn sth Diakybernhtikh. Poia einai ta qemata ``tampoy'', gia thn kybernhsh, poy den qa synainesei sthn katarghsh toys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean den allajei rizika o shmerinos tropos lhchs apofasewn sthn E.E. -giati eimaste pleon 25 xwres- tote den qa yparxei E.E. Prepei na apodexqoyme oti qa exoyme allo tropo lhchs apofasewn. Polles protaseis poy periexontai sthn protash toy k. Baleri Ziskar nt` Esten einai qetikes.

SIDERHS: H erwthsh moy eixe sxesh me ta qemata eqnikhs amynas kai asfaleias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw stis protaseis toy k. Ziskar nt` Esten, polles apo tis opoies einai qetikes kai qa mporoyse na apotelesoyn bash syzhthshs.

PEGKOS: Yparxoyn shmerina dhmosieymata symfwna me ta opoia h kybernhsh skeftetai na aposyrei toys astynomikoys apo th fylajh dhmosiwn proswpwn kai boyleytwn. Pote qa ginei ayto kai ean meta to xqesino mparaz epiqesewn me gkazakia se politikoys stoxoys, skeftetai na anaqewrhsei thn proqesh ayth;

PRWTOPAPAS: To qema ejetazetai apo thn EL.AS., h opoia epanaqewrei to systhma fylajhs dhmosiwn proswpwn. Ayto einai swsto, giati otan briskesai se nea periodo ejetazeis ean prepei na parameinei ayto to systhma h na allajei. As perimenoyme tis apofaseis kai tis sxetikes eishghseis ths EL.AS.

IWANNOY: Gia na katalabw, yparxei periptwsh na mhn yparxei kaqoloy asfaleia h na antikatastaqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Moy lete kati poy den gnwrizw.

IWANNOY: Omws, lete oti ginontai kapoies syzhthseis. Pros poia kateyqynsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Plhroforhqhka apo thn EL.AS. oti epanejetazei to olo systhma prostasias dhmosiwn proswpwn.

IWANNOY: Pros thn kateyqynsh ths katarghshs h ths antikatastashs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanejetazetai gia na einai pio apotelesmatiko stis shmerines synqhkes. Den eimaste stis synqhkes poy eixame prin apo dyo xronia. H kyria Organwsh poy dhmioyrgoyse to zhthma ths tromokratias sthn Ellada, ayth th stigmh brisketai sth fylakh kai dikazetai. Ara, eimaste mprosta se nees synqhkes. Aytes oi synqhkes meletwntai. Den exei katalhjei h EL.AS., gi` ayto kai den mporw na desmeysw, ayth th stigmh, kanenan. Epishmainw, omws, gia na eimai eilikrinhs apenanti sas oti yparxei ejetash toy oloy qematos. Den jeroyme poia qa einai h telikh katalhjh kai ti qa eishghqei sthn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs. Logiko einai, omws, na ginetai ayth h ejetash toy systhmatos pros ofelos oloy toy ellhnikoy laoy.

IWANNOY: An katalabame kai to qema ths katarghshs den to apokleiete ayth th stigmh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den milhsa gia katarghsh. Den einai dynato na paei se katarghsh. Oysiastika milame gia mia ejetash toy oloy systhmatos, wste na einai afenos apotelesmatiko, afeteroy na yparxei ejoikonomhsh astynomikwn dynamewn, prokeimenoy na profylajoyme ton aplo polith. Ayto den prokeitai na ginei se baros kapoiwn poy krinetai aparaithth h prostasia toys. Oi synqhkes exoyn allajei, den yparxei drash ths "17N". Exoyme ena neo skhniko, basei toy opoioy h EL.AS. kai oi arxes asfaleias ejetazoyn to olo systhma. To qewrw idiaitera qemito.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Enocei twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004 eprepe na exoyn entaqei ta metra gia thn asfaleia kai oxi@

PRWTOPAPAS: Prosejte poia einai h diafora: Pros to 2004 h asfaleia metaferetai se o,ti exei na kanei me toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Praktika, loipon, epeidh h Ellada exei sygkekrimenes dynatothtes -den einai aperioristes- h proteraiothta toy sxediasmoy kai ths drashs mas einai logiko na kateyqynetai, symfwna me tis yparxoyses synqhkes, toso sthn asfaleia twn politwn poy apotelei prwto kai kyrio kaqhkon mas, oso kai se ena allo qema, epishs ycisths proteraiothtas, to zhthma twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Den mporw na prodikasw ti qa ginei. Ola meletwntai, ejetazontai.

MIXAHL: Wstoso, prokyptei to ejhs problhma: Me aformh kai th xqesinh apopeira me gkazakia enantion ths k. Panagiwtarea -h ekfrash toy Typoy einai mia apo tis basikes leitoyrgies ths koinwnias- pws mporeite na thn perifroyrhsete apo oloys aytoys toys polites, oi opoioi gia ton ena h ton allo logo qa qewrhsoyn oti qigontai apo otidhpote qewroyn oi idioi oti qigontai, me apotelesma na dhmioyrgeitai ena klima;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me thn eykairia ayth qa hqela na katadikasw me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo oles aytes tis epiqeseis me gkazakia poy eginan kai na tonisw kai pros aytoys poy tis ypesthsan, alla kai pros olo ton ellhniko lao oti oi arxes asfaleias kanoyn to kaqhkon toys kai proxwroyn se oles tis anagkaies ereynes. Ola lambanontai ypoch. Oi armodies arxes poy ejetazoyn to olo zhthma qa apofanqoyn gia ta apotelesmata ths ereynas poy diejagoyn.

TAKHS: Pantws, yphrjan dhlwseis boyleytwn to prwi sto Koinoboylio, oi synadelfoi sas boyleytes topoqethqhkan, legontas pws den qa hqelan, ean h kybernhsh telika parei kapoia apofash anaqewrhshs toy oloy systhmatos, na toys doqoyn froyroi h eidikoi astynomikoi poy to ypoyrgeio qa epilejei, dioti qeloyn na einai ths apolytoy empistosynhs toys. Eipan xarakthristika oti den qeloyn na exoyn dipla toys "korioys".

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. Ayta einai ejw apo th logikh mas.

TAKHS: Synadelfoi sas to eipan ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporei na to eipan synadelfoi moy, egw apantw pws ayta einai ejw apo th logikh ayths ths kybernhshs.

SIDERHS: Einai gyrw stis 3.000 oi astynomikoi poy fylane dhmosia proswpa. Ta legomena dhmosia proswpa einai kai epixeirhmaties. Aytoi, synhqws, exoyn ta xrhmata na misqwsoyn oi idioi proswpiko poy qa toys fylaei. Giati, o aplos poliths me toys foroys toy na plhrwnei toys astynomikoys poy fylane to tade dhmosio proswpo gia na einai pio isos apo ton aplo polith;

PRWTOPAPAS: H erwthsh sas den erxetai se antiqesh me thn apanthsh moy. Pisteyw oti exei kalyfqei.

SIDERHS: Hqela na rwthsw, ean qa katarghqoyn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai to diko sas skeptiko exei bash kai to skeptiko poy eqese o k. Mixahl prepei na ejetastei. Jekinhsame me bash to skeptiko poy ekfrasate eseis, alla den mporoyme na agnohsoyme oti yparxoyn kai orismena problhmata gia ta opoia ferei eyqynh kai h Politeia. Afhste mas na broyme th xrysh tomh, wste na epitelesoyme to kyrio kaqhkon mas gia swstes synqhkes asfaleias, oson afora toys Ellhnes polites kai fysika enocei twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Mhn paragnwrizoyme ayto to megalo eqniko qema. Bebaiws, an apo ekei kai pera ektimhqei oti yparxoyn kai kapoies alles anagkes na eiste bebaioi oti den qa tis paragnwrisoyme. Afhste na oloklhrwqei ayth h doyleia poy ginetai apo tis armodies arxes asfaleias.

KARGOYDH: Yparxoyn plhrofories oti me epistolh toy pros ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn o Amerikanos presbhs anoikta tassetai kata ths opoiasdhpote prwtoboylias stoys kolpoys ths E.E. gia aytonomh eyrwpaikh ejwterikh politikh kai amyna@

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa epanelqw ayrio sto qema ayto. Perimenw kapoies apanthseis.

Sas eyxaristw.

SHMEIWSH: H ayrianh politikh enhmerwsh qa pragmatopoihqei stis 13.30.

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