Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-09-16

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 16 Septembrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Gnwrizete oti ayth th stigmh einai se ejelijh h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Shmith me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias Taso Papadopoylo. Stis 13.30, qa yparjoyn sxetikes dhlwseis.

To apogeyma, stis 6.30, qa exei synanthsh me to Grammatea toy PASOK M. Xrysoxoidh.

Thn Paraskeyh (19/9), stis 10 to prwi, qa anaxwrhsei gia thn Hgoymenitsa, opoy metajy allwn qa egkainiastoyn to neo limani ths Hgoymenitsas kai to Dikastiko Megaro.

Qa hqela na kanw mia eisagwgikh parathrhsh:

Opws diapistwsate, xwris problhmata, elhje xqes h diadikasia ths kataqeshs twn dhlwsewn gia tis xrhmatisthriakes synallages apo toys boyleytes toy PASOK. Htan mia idiaitera shmantikh prajh, mia politikh kinhsh, mia epiqesh diafaneias, idiaitera se ena eyaisqhto qema poy apasxolhse thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Twra, o logos anhkei kai sta alla kommata. Qelw na epishmanw oti idiaitera gia th N.D. prokyptei mia megalh politikh eyqynh. Otan to komma ayto emfanizetai na koptetai gia to qema toy Xrhmatisthrioy, prepei -epeidh den to ekane- toylaxiston twra na fanei stoixeiwdws synepes, dinontas entolh stoys boyleytes toy na kataqesoyn kai aytoi tis dhlwseis gia tis xrhmatisthriakes synallages toys. Den arkei na dhmioyrgeis qemata gyrw apo syzhthseis sth Boylh h alles diadikasies kai na kataggelleis, prin apodeijeis oti toso esy ws komma, oso kai oi boyleytes soy, eiste synepeis se ena meizon qema poy apasxolhse thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Yparxei, loipon, mia anoikth proklhsh gia to komma ths N.D. na tolmhsei kai na apodexqei h idia na dwsei thn entolh, gia thn kataqesh twn xrhmatisthriakwn synallagwn twn boyleytwn ths. Anamenoyme tis energeies toy kommatos ths N.D. kai toy k. Karamanlh. Se ayto to qema qa epanelqoyme.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oi synallages twn boyleytwn toy PASOK den htan sto "poqen esxes" poy kateqesan sth Boylh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Oi synallages den einai sto "poqen esxes", sto opoio anaferontai monon oi metoxes poy katexeis kapoia xronikh stigmh kai oxi h diadikasia ths synallaghs kai ta kerdh h oi zhmies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan exeis kerdh, den fainontai mesa, den ta dhlwneis dhladh, ta krybeis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto entypo poy dhlwnetai sth Boylh, opws gnwrizete, anaferontai oi metoxes poy katexeis se mia sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh. Mporei na exoyn prokycei terasties synallages, mporei na exoyn prokycei kerdh kai zhmies h otidhpote allo poy den fainontai poyqena.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta kerdh den ta dhlwnete eseis oi boyleytes; Oyte sto "poqen esxes; Ta krybete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas milhsa gia thn kinhsh twn logariasmwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto logariasmo ths trapezas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn kanete oti den katalabainete. "Opoios den qelei na zymwsei, xilia xronia koskinizei". Sth dhlwsh toy "poqen esxes" den fainontai tetoia zhthmata. Apo ekei kai pera, stis dhlwseis poy ekanan oi boyleytes toy PASOK fainetai kai h kinhsh twn logariasmwn kai ta apotelesmata. Tolma h N.D. na kanei to idio; Exei tipota na krycei h na fobhqei; An den exei tipota na krycei h na fobhqei, twra einai h wra na dwsei entolh stoys boyleytes ths na kanoyn tis sxetikes dhlwseis. Alliws, o kaqenas mporei na bgalei ta symperasmata toy.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh sth dhlwsh sas katalhgete, legontas oti qa epanelqoyme...

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia ta symperasmata mas, ennow kai me alles kinhseis.

KARGOYDH: Gi@ aytes tis kinhseis hqela na rwthsw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa qesoyme qema se kaqe kateyqynsh. Einai safes.

KARGOYDH: Mporeite na ginete pio sygkekrimenos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Nomizw oti ayto apanta apo mono toy. Otan kateyqeian qetw qema edw, einai kinhsh. Mesa stis epomenes hmeres, qa epanelqw me symperasmata, an den yparxei kapoia antapokrish h sxetikh dhlwsh apo th N.D.. Bebaiws, einai ena qema me to opoio mporei na apasxolhqoyn oloi. Kai h Epitroph "poqen esxes" ths Boylhs mporei na apasxolhqei. Den qa toys ypodeijoyme emeis ti qa kanoyn. Alla, emeis qa feroyme politika to qema.

MPOTWNHS: To koinwniko paketo poy anakoinwse prosfata h kybernhsh, dhmioyrghse mia eikona. Wstoso, den fainetai na elyse problhmata h den ta elyse ola, opws ta hqele h kybernhsh. Exoyme anoikta metwpa sthn Paideia, kleista panepisthmia, problhma gia thn ejetastikh periodo, exoyme ton Oktwbrio anaggelia apergiwn apo kaqhghtes kai daskaloys. Blepete dikaia aithmata kai pws qa ta ikanopoihsete; Blepete na yparxei kai kapoio politiko kinhtro pisw apo ayta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa staqw sta dyo prwta skelh ths erwthshs sas kai me bash ayta mporoyme sth synexeia na kinhqoyme, xwris na xreiastei na epektaqoyme sto teleytaio. Prwton, to koinwniko paketo to opoio ejaggeilame, den perieixe ayjhseis gia oloys toys kladoys twn ergazomenwn. Perieixe mia desmh metrwn me stoxeysh na ejyphrethqoyn oi adynames oikonomika -koinwnika omades toy plhqysmoy. Htan ena paketo metrwn gia to xamhlosyntajioyxo, to xamhlomisqo, ton anergo, thn anergh gynaika, ton agroth. Den einai oles oi ayjhseis poy dinontai sto dhmosio tomea ths oikonomias, oyte ola ta metra, ta opoia kata kairoys pairnoyme, oyte oles oi kinhseis poy ginontai sthn oikonomia. Eipame oti apo to pleonasma ths prospaqeias kaname mia parembash koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias me qetiko apotelesma gi@ aytes tis kathgories toy plhqysmoy.

Deyteron, se o,ti afora tis kinhtopoihseis sto xwro ths Paideias. Proseggizoyme panta -kai to exw pei gia oles tis kinhtopoihseis- me idiaitero sebasmo kai eyqynh ta problhmata poy qetoyn diafores kathgories ergazomenwn. Etsi proseggisame kai ta qemata poy aforoyn thn Paideia. Meta thn apofash poy elhfqh sth syskech poy egine ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, me th symmetoxh twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn, kaqws kai toy Grammatea toy Kommatos, yphrjan anakoinwseis oi opoies qetoyn ta pragmata sth qesh toys. Yparxoyn shmantikes oikonomikes kinhseis, ginetai mia shmantikh oikonomikh paroxh stoys kaqhghtes Meshs Ekpaideyshs kai toys daskaloys. Ayto den mporei kaneis na to agnohsei. Einai mia shmantikh paroxh. Ejantloyme ta periqwria mas. Erxomaste na apanthsoyme, oso mporoyme kalytera, oso mas epitrepoyn oi dynatothtes, se kayta qemata poy qetoyn oi daskaloi kai oi kaqhghtes ths Meshs Ekpaideyshs, twn opoiwn to ergo kai ektimoyme kai sebomaste. Ayth einai h qetikh apanthsh mas. Dinoyme mia qetikh diejodo sta oikonomika qemata poy eqesan. Erxomaste, me th sygkekrimenh desmh metrwn, me th sygkekrimenh paroxh, na apanthsoyme qetika sta qemata poy mas eixan qesei. Aytes einai oi dynatothtes mas. Qelw pragmatika na kalesw oloys na symbaloyn se mia genikoterh qetikh poreia, h opoia yparxei edw kai arketo kairo, sto xwro ths Paideias.

Oson afora to qema twn panepisthmiakwn, qelw na jekaqarisw oti qa ginoyn sxetikes syzhthseis, qa yparjoyn kapoies synanthseis kai -panta sto plaisio poy mas epitrepei h akoloyqoymenh oikonomikh politikh- qa prospaqhsoyme gia to kalytero. Den qa qesoyme se kindyno -kai kaneis den qa to hqele ayto ypoqetw- ola osa exoyme katakthsei me tis prospaqeies toy ellhnikoy laoy ayta ta xronia.

IWANNOY: Oi xqesines anakoinwseis einai kai h teleytaia koybenta ths kybernhshs ws pros to oikonomiko skelos; Yparxoyn periqwria ean piesoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora toys kaqhghtes kai toys daskaloys, ayth einai h apofash mas. Qelw na tonisw oti ejantloyme ta periqwria mas. Einai mia gennaia paroxh. Ikanopoioyme, se megalo baqmo, ta aithmata poy eixan teqei. Opws gnwrizete, ena oikonomiko aithma, otan tiqetai, den ikanopoieitai sto synolo toy, amesws. Spaniotata ginetai kati tetoio. Yphrje mia gennaia apanthsh apo thn kybernhsh. Staqhkame konta toys. Yphrje mia shmantikh oikonomikh symbolh. Anagnwrisame to ergo poy epiteloyn. Qeloyme na toys kalesoyme na to doyn, na to ektimhsoyn kai na symbaloyme oloi mazi sth genikoterh qetikh poreia ths Paideias.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw, ean exei allajei tipota ws pros thn apofash poy eixe lhfqei sto Symboylio Politikwn Arxhgwn ypo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias gia to qema twn Skopiwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Milate epi Neas Dhmokratias;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Exei shmasia; Otan me ton arxhgo toy kratoys yphrje ena Symboylio Politikwn Arxhgwn kai elabe mia apofash...

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite, qetete mia erwthsh kai xronika prosdiorizw pote egine. Milame gia thn apofash toy 1991. Exei shmasia ayto.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Exei allajei kati;

PRWTOPAPAS: H xronikh sygkyria sthn opoia ginetai kaqe kinhsh exei th dikh ths shmasia. Apofasizeis kapoia stigmh tis kinhseis soy, oi opoies ginontai, eginan kai odhgoyn se kapoio sygkekrimeno apotelesma. Otan apo ekei kai pera ektimas to apotelesma ayto, blepeis poies qa einai oi parapera kinhseis poy qa kaneis. Ayto ginetai sthn ejwterikh politikh. Den yparxei, loipon, erwthma an exei allajei kati. Yparxei erwthma an exoyme nea dedomena, ta opoia prepei na ektimhsoyme.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn nea dedomena;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se kaqe periptwsh yparxoyn nea dedomena kai ta ektimoyme. Emas mas endiaferei na lyqei oristika -an kai den fainetai oti kati tetoio einai pro twn pylwn- alla ws genikh politikh, to problhma poy exei anakycei me ta Skopia kai na yparxei mia sxesh eirhnhs, synergasias kai kalhs geitonias. Ayto den shmainei oti emeis qa ypoxwrhsoyme -kai qelw na to kanw ejarxhs safes, gia na mhn yparxoyn parermhneies- alla oti prepei na ektimas ta nea dedomena, prepei na blepeis toys dieqneis sysxetismoys poy anaptyssontai kai na mporeis na ajiopoieis aytoys toys sysxetismoys gia na prowqeis ta symferonta soy. Prepei kaqe stigmh na qymasai oti h Ellada den exei tipota na fobhqei, exei na kerdisei, an breqei kapoia koina apodekth lysh -to tonizw- sto qema.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh den epanhlqe pali to Symboylio Politikwn Arxhgwn, den einai desmeytikh h apofash ayth;

PRWTOPAPAS: Desmeytikes apofaseis sta ejwterika qemata, oi opoies exoyn lhfqei pro 12etias, exoyn ylopoihqei. Exoyn anakycei sygkekrimena apotelesmata, exei perasei kairos kai exoyn dhmioyrghqei nea dedomena, exoyn anaptyxqei neoi dieqneis sysxetismoi kai exei allajei olh h perioxh. Ola ayta synektimwntai, den eimaste se gyala. Eimaste sth zwh kai sth dieqnh politikh. Opoios den to blepei kako diko toy.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Gia na ginw pio sygkekrimenos, koybentiazoyme pleon to onoma ``Makedonia'' ws piqano;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa kati tetoio. An me rwtate eyqews, ean yparxei kati tetoio, apantw oxi. Oti anazhtoyme lysh, anazhtoyme.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Th lysh panta thn anazhtoysame.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den thn anazhtoysame panta. Yphrxan kapoies politikes poy prokaloysan alla dedomena. Nomizw oti se olh ayth th diadikasia mporei na symbaloyn arketoi apo toys politikoys kai oles oi politikes dynameis, alla kai eidika oi politikoi poy exoyn gnwsh toy qematos. Gnwrizete oti symferon gia thn Ellada einai na breqei mia koina apodekth lysh. Kai ayto shmainei oti, nai men den qa apodexqoyme thn apoch ths allhs pleyras, alla ki emeis prepei na kanoyme sxetikes kinhseis. Ayto bohqa th xwra mas kai ta pragmatika symferonta mas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Pisteyw oti ta nea dedomena, bebaiws, yparxoyn se o,ti afora thn ejeyresh lyshs. Eyqews rwtw, se o,ti afora thn onomasia h paragwgo ths lejhs ``Makedonia'', exei allajei tipota, exoyn allajei ta dedomena;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti ennoeite;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Eixe lexqei na yparxei enas epiqetikos prosdiorismos me th lejh ``Makedonia''.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prosxwroyme se kamia apoch kanenos. Jeroyme, omws, na ejyphrethsoyme me tis anagkaies kinhseis thn ekmetalleysh twn dieqnwn sysxetismwn ta dika mas symferonta, ta opoia proypoqetoyn ajiologhsh ths shmerinhs katastashs kai oxi dogmatismoys. Proypoqetoyn strathgikh kai stoxoys, ekmetalleyshs twn dieqnwn sysxetismwn kai sygkekrimena bhmata sthn kateyqynsh ejeyreshs lyshs. Mono opoios den qelei, den to katalabainei.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Apla rwtaw, to onoma to syzhtame;

PRWTOPAPAS: To onoma einai synarthsh pollwn pragmatwn kai ola ayta ta syzhtame. Ola synektimwntai sth dieqnh politikh, thn opoia ajiologeis kaqe fora, prokeimenoy na kaqoriseis th strathgikh soy. Ara, ean mporoyse na breqei mia lysh, poy qa elyne ayto to problhma -einai h teleytaia ekkremothta poy menei- kai h opoia qa einai koina apodekth, qa qemeliwnotan mia sxesh eirhnhs, synergasias me th geitona xwra, qa htan kalytero gia oloys kai gia thn Ellada.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Einai agkylwsh na epimenei kapoios sthn apofash toy Politikoy Symboylioy, se o,ti afora to qema toy onomatos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eixa thn entypwsh oti exoyme wrimasei.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epeidh melos ths kybernhshs kai sygkekrimena o k. Mpisths, milwntas xqes sth Qessalonikh ejefrase apoceis -ek meroys ths kybernhshs fantazomai- kai kathgorhse gia agkylwsh th N.D. sto onoma ths onomasias ths FYROM. Milhse gia emmonh kai esfalmenh apofash toy Symboylioy twn politikwn arxhgwn. Rwtw, ektima h kybernhsh oti htan esfalmenh h apofash ayth, otan ena shmerino melos ths, th xarakthrizei etsi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa parameinw sthn topoqethsh moy poy htan safhs. Mono anohtoi den katalabainoyn shmera oti xreiazetai na einai h politikh mas, mia politikh synennohshs ston eyrytero xwro ths Notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs, mia politikh epilyshs twn problhmatwn, mia politikh eirhnhs kai synergasias. Den kathgorhsa th N.D. Eipa oti mono anohtoi den katalabainoyn oti ayth einai h swsth politikh. Ap` o,ti exw prosejei kai sto xwro ths N.D. yparxoyn polles fwnes poy synainoyn se ayto poy lew, gi@ ayto kai den toys kathgorhsa.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Pws sxoliazete, loipon, tis dhlwseis stelexoys ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa. Kyrie Kanellopoyle, exete pesei se ena sobaro atophma. Den ypoballete eyqews thn erwthsh sas. Exw apanthsei.

KWNSTANTHS: O k. Mpisths ektos apo ayta ta qemata, eqese kai kapoia qemata gia thn kybernhsh. Leei oti qa sthrijei tis qetikes pleyres ths kybernhtikhs politikhs kai tis eksygxronistikes prospaqeies ths Kybernhshs, enw qa askhsei aysthrh kritikh gia orismenes epiloges, gia opisqodromhseis kai gia paraleiceis kai epipleon sto qema ths ananewshs kai dieyrynshs twn chfodeltiwn toy PASOK@

PRWTOPAPAS: Moy zhtate na sxoliasw dhlwseis melwn ths kybernhshs;

KWNSTANTHS: Bebaiws. Einai melos ths kybernhshs, kanei sxolia gia thn kybernhsh, zhtaei na exei logo sthn ananewsh twn chfodeltiwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Mpisths metexei sthn kybernhsh kai ylopoiei -oles apo o,ti gnwrizw- tis kybernhtikes epitages poy apofasizoyme. Apo kei kai pera, anhkei se enan politiko sxhmatismo, o opoios synergazetai kai me to PASOK kai mesa apo ayton, otan syzhta politika, leei thn apoch toy. Opws ki egw, mporw na ekfrasw thn apoch moy sthn Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK. Qa me rwthsete, ws kybernhtiko ekproswpo, giati se mia eswkommatikh diadikasia aneptyja thn apoch moy; Einai logiko; Einai sobara pragmata ayta; O kaqenas mas metexei se ena komma. Otan prokeitai gia eswkommatikh diadikasia ekfrazontai kapoies apoceis. Fantasteite ti qa ginei, an apagoreysoyme stoys ypoyrgoys poy einai melh ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs na ekfrazontai eleyqera -ayta ta pragmata den ginontai bebaia- epeidh thn epomenh qa sxoliazontai oi dhlwseis toys kata thn politikh enhmerwsh. Einai diaforetiko ws ypoyrgos na ylopoieis thn kybernhtikh politikh - kai thn ylopoioyn oloi oi ypoyrgoi kai yfypoyrgoi mas- kai einai teleiws diaforetiko ws melos enos kommatos, sta organa toy kommatos soy, na kaneis mia genikoterh politikh anafora. Kai qa htan anepitrepto na th sxoliasoyme.

KWNSTANTHS: Edw eseis mas legate, proxqes, gia tis polles grammes kai tis polles qeseis poy exei h N.D. kai twra lete oti einai anepitrepto na sxoliazontai oi qeseis enos meloys ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, anepitrepto. Otan ekfrazetai sta organa toy kommatos, opws gia paradeigma sthn Kentrikh Epitroph; Sxoliasa egw pote dhlwseis stelexwn ths N.D. kata th diarkeia twn syzhthsewn toys se kommatikes diadikasies; Oydepote. Sxoliasa mono dhmosies dhlwseis stelexwn ths N.D. ektos kommatos, sta Mesa Enhmerwshs. Qa sxoliaza pote an sth diarkeia ths synedriashs twn tomearxwn ths N.D. ginotan diarroh oti kapoios tomearxhs eipe to alfa h to bhta; Dikaiwma toy einai. Ejalloy, giati ginontai oi synedriaseis; Ti nohma exei na ginontai synedriaseis twn kommatwn, an bgainoyme kai sxoliazoyme to kaqe ti poy eyqarsws aneptyje kapoio stelexos, ws gnwmh toy, mesa sto sygkekrimeno organo; Ekeino poy sxoliazoyme einai oi dhmosies parembaseis kai dhlwseis stelexwn ektos kommatikhs diadikasias. Fantazomai oti to exete prosejei ayto.

KWNSTANTHS: Ws dhmosia parembash@

PRWTOPAPAS: Ws dhmosia parembash to sxoliazoyme.

KWNSTANTHS: Ws dhmosia parembash loipon, gia mia allh apostrofh ayths ths omilias toy k. Mpisth@

PRWTOPAPAS; Poy egine ayth h omilia;

KWNSTANTHS: Sth Qessalonikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto komma toy.

KWNSTANTHS: Sth DEQ, einai dhmosia emfanish. Anaferqhke sthn ananewsh toy PASOK kai zhtaei oysiastika sto plaisio ths synergasias me to PASOK na exei ki aytos logo ws pros th dieyrynsh twn chfodeltiwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Profanws milhse se ekdhlwsh ths AEKA, dhladh se ekdhlwsh kommatos. Milhse ws AEKA. O k. Mpisths, opws gnwrizete, anhkei sthn AEKA. Einai enas sygkekrimenos politikos sxhmatismos kai synergazetai me th kybernhsh. Qa sas parakalesw poly, se aythn edw thn aiqoysa na krinete kai na me rwtate gia tis kinhseis twn kybernhtikwn stelexwn, oson afora to kybernhtiko ergo toys kai oxi gia tis parembaseis toys sta plaisia kommatikwn diadikasiwn, giati einai allo to ena kai allo to allo. Otan exoyme ena synergazomeno me to PASOK politiko sxhmatismo, o opoios den metexei sth Boylh kai synergazomaste ypo thn ennoia oti symmetexei sth kybernhsh ayto den shmainei oti qa toy afaireqei o logos stis dikes toy diadikasies. To qema, qa etiqeto, ean se kapoia kybernhtikh apofash -se kapoia apofash, gia paradeigma, ypoyrgikoy symboylioy- yphrxe diafwnia. Den yphrje, omws, pote kati tetoio. Ara, den blepw kai to logo na sxoliasw ta osa dhlwse o k. Mpisths.

KWNSTANTHS: Gia esas einai aney shmasias; Einai aney shmasias otan ena melos ths kybernhshs me allh idiothta leei kapoia pragmata, ta opoia mporei na erxontai se antiparaqesh h antifash me ekeina poy aspazetai ws kybernhtiko stelexos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Fainetai oti exw allh apoch peri Dhmokratias. Den fimwnoyme kanenan gia tis politikes toy apoceis. Allo kybernhtikh drasthriothta kai allo politikh apoch.

MPOTWNHS: Sthn prosfath synenteyjh toy k. Karamanlh sth Qessalonikh akoysame na leei oti mia apo tis prwtes apofaseis poy qa parei otan kerdisei tis ekloges einai na katarghqei to SDOE, dioti exei epandrwqei me kommatika stelexh. Eseis exete paroysiasei mia poly diaforetikh eikona gia to SDOE kai den akoysa kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs, aytes tis hmeres.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat` arxas, exoyn ginei dhlwseis sta MME apo to Geniko Grammatea toy SDOE k. Takh Mpatzelh, o opoios einai kybernhtiko stelexos. Apo kei kai pera, poy aposkopei h dhlwsh toy k. Karamanlh; Ean hqele o k. Karamanlhs na allajei thn hgesia ths SDOE, ean pote kybernoyse me thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy, ayto qa mporoyse na to pei. O k. Karamanlhs eipe oti qa katarghsei to qesmo. Kai na sas pw giati to eipe ayto; Dioti den ton qelei. Qelei thn asydosia kai qelei na kanei orismena politika anoigmata se kapoioys xwroys, toys opoioys ejyphretei h elleich enos elegktikoy mhxanismoy. O kabgas einai gia to paplwma, den einai gia to an yparxei h oxi kapoios ``Pasokos'' sto SDOE. Einai gia ta symferonta, gi ayto kai ekane th sxetikh anafora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto poy eipate oti qa kanete diafores kinhseis, mesa se ayto einai na zhthsete systash ejetastikhs epitrophs epi twn pragmatwn ths Boylh gia na elegjei to Xrhmatisthrio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ennooysa politikes kinhseis. To qema ths systashs ths ejetastikhs epitrophs exei syzhthqei tesseris fores kai exoyme anaptyjei ta epixeirhmata mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis exete allh apoch gia thn kybernhsh ws ypoyrgos kai allh ws melos ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa moy sterhsete th dynatothta na lew tis apoceis moy sth K.E. toy PASOK.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean yparxei symfwnia metajy Ellada kai Toyrkias sthn periodo ths Olympiadas na yparjei meiwsh twn pthsewn panw apo to Aigaio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia tis pthseis stratiwtikwn aeroplanwn kalo qa htan -kai to lew gia thn Toyrkia ayto, giati emeis den kanoyme parabiaseis- h geitonikh xwra na katalabei oti to qema twn parabiasewn kai parabasewn, stis opoies syxna probainei, oxi mono den thn ejyphretoyn, alla thn ekqetoyn dieqnws. Kala qa kanei na stamathsei ayth thn istoria, dioti oxi mono den ths prosferei, alla thn ekqetei sth dieqnh koinothta.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Gia politikes pthseis exete kati;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

IWANNOY: Sxetika me to SDOE, qa hqela mia dieykrinish. Mhpws o k. Karamanlhs ennooyse oti qa katarghsei ayton kai qa ftiajei enan anejarthto qesmo poy qa kanei thn idia doyleia kai na mhn einai kybernhtikos; Rwtw, ean mporei eseis na dwsete kai ayth thn ermhneia h mono ayto poy eipate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eimai to katallhlotero proswpo gia na analysw cyxologika ton k. Karamanlh.

IWANNOY: Apokleiete thn allh ermhneia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Krinw ayto poy eipe. Ean ennooyse kati allo, den einai dikh mas eyqynh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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