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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Martioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, me thn paroysia toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias Kwsth Stefanopoyloy, opws kaqe xrono etsi kai shmera doqhkan ta brabeia toy dhmosiografikoy Idrymatos Mpotsh. Se ayth th shmantikh ekdhlwsh eixa thn eykairia na tonisw oti yparxoyn dhmosiografoi -kai aytoi bebaiws ekfrazoyn thn pleiochfia twn synadelfwn sas- poy exoyn diakriqei kai gia to hqos kai thn poiothta ths doyleias toys. Ayto mas kanei oloys pio perhfanoys kai na elpizoyme gia megalytera poiotika almata ston idiaitera eyaisqhto gia th dhmokratia mas xwro ths enhmerwshs.

Qelw na kanw mia parathrhsh gia th dikh: Yparxoyn dyo taktikes. H mia einai na diapistwneis ta problhmata kai h allh na ta lyneis. Emeis eimaste yper ths deyterhs taktikhs, na lynoyme ta problhmata. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti ola ayta ta problhmata poy tiqentai pros to ypoyrgeio Typoy kai MME kai opoy ayto mporei na bohqhsei, opws ayta poy teqhkan sthn k. Sphliopoyloy oles aytes tis meres exoyn brei th lysh toys. Sxetikh einai h shmerinh dhlwsh toy proedreyontos ths ESHEA k. Sompoloy, o opoios eipe oti eixe shmeiwsei 27 problhmata kai oti exoyn "sbhstei" ola, ektos toy koryfaioy -ennoei thn thleoptikh metadosh ths dikhs- poy den einai qema ths ESHEA, oyte bebaiws kai toy ypoyrgeioy. To lew ayto, me aformh diamartyries gia thn pleyra poy einai topoqethmenh h tenta. Qa htan protimotero na pane sthn k. Sphliopoyloy gia na breqei lysh. Ayto einai poly eykolotero kai apotelesmatikotero. Synergazomaste gia na dinoyme lyseis.

Ena akomh qema poy sxetizetai me th dikh einai ayto poy eida shmera se orismenes efhmerides, giati gracame stis diapisteyseis "diapisteysh gia poinikh dikh". Yparxoyn poinikes kai astikes dikes. Anejarthta apo thn politikh shmasia mias dikhs, h dikh einai h poinikh h astikh. To ypoyrgeio eprepe na ekdwsei kartes gia diapisteysh se poinikh h astikh dikh. Den yparxoyn alloy typoy dikes sthn Dikonomia mas, anejarthta apo th shmasia kai tis proektaseis ths kaqe dikhs sto politiko pedio. Ara, orqotata ekdwsame kartes gia diapisteysh se poinikh dikh.

Telos, qa hqela na anaferqw stis shmerines dhlwseis toy k. Roysopoyloy gia thn oikonomia kai na epishmanw ta ejhs: Anamfibola oles oi oikonomies yfistantai tis synepeies ths katastashs poy exei dhmioyrghqei gyrw apo thn krish sto Irak kai bebaiws yparxei kindynos na ypostoyn kai arnhtikes synepeies se periptwsh ekdhlwshs enos polemoy. Ayto isxyei gia oles tis oikonomies. Oydemia einai atrwth. Qa elega, omws, oti h ellhnikh oikonomia exei megalyteres dynatothtes apo polles alles oikonomies, pagkosmiws, dioti exei geres baseis kai idiaitera ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs. Me thn prosoxh, loipon, poy deixnoyme, me to ergo poy kanoyme, me thn emmonh mas sto syndyasmo ths staqerothtas, me toys ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs qa kataferoyme na antimetwpisoyme qetika tis opoies synepeies yparjoyn apo thn tyxon ekdhlwsh enos polemoy. Se ayto exoyme strateytei kai se ayto rixnoyme olh thn prosoxh mas. Qa prepei, omws, na epishmanoyme oti h N.D. qa prepei na staqei idiaitera prosektika kai me aisqhma eyqynhs apenanti se ayto to endexomeno. Den symballoyn dhlwseis kai kinhseis, oi opoies, se telikh analysh, to mono poy mporei na petyxoyn einai na dhmioyrghsoyn ena klima anasfaleias, to opoio den qa leitoyrghsei qetika, den qa prosferei sthn oikonomia. Kinhseis san kai aytes poy ekane shmera h N.D. synteinoyn aplws sto na enisxyqei ena klima anasfaleias logw toy tyxon polemoy kai tipota den prosferoyn. To mono poy mporei na ginei einai na dhmioyrghsoyn problhmata. Sto klima, bebaiws. Giati to klima einai para poly shmantikos paragontas sto xwro ths oikonomias. Qa prepei, loipon, na apofeygontai tetoies atyxes -kai kata th gnwmh moy- mizeres dhlwseis. Den prosferontai ayta ta qemata gia mikrokommatikh ekmetalleysh. Makria h mikrokommatikh ekmetalleysh se tetoies krisimes stigmes apo thn oikonomia. H ellhnikh oikonomia exei staqeres baseis, ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs kai mporei -me th bohqeia kai th symbolh olwn- na staqei gera kai se ayth th stigmh. Apo thn allh pleyra, qelw na parathrhsw, opws toylaxiston fainetai apo to dialogo poy egine, oti h N.D. gia mia akomh fora epideiknyei thn anyparjia politikoy logoy kai qesewn. Epishmainw oti se epaneilhmmenes erwthseis, gyrw apo tis tyxon protaseis ths N.D., to programma ths kai tis sygkekrimenes apoceis ths gia thn oikonomia, den yphrje kamia apanthsh, kamia topoqethsh, kamia protash. Kai ayto deixnei poly kaqara thn kenothta toy programmatikoy logoy toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mporeite na mas enhmerwsete an yphrje kapoia antidrash apo thn pleyra toy k. Miler gia tis dhlwseis poy feretai na ekane. Tis dieceyse, tis epibebaiwse, milhsate mazi toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den milhsa mazi toy. Moy thlefwnhse o akoloyqos Typoy ths amerikanikhs presbeias, o opoios moy eipe oti kata th gnwmh toy exoyn paranohqei oi dhlwseis toy k. presbh.

IWANNOY: Peran aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyoyn apolytws oi xqesines dhlwseis moy.

IWANNOY: Qewreite, dhladh, oti kakws parenebh o Amerikanos presbhs@

PRWTOPAPAS: Isxyoyn apolytws oi xqesines dhlwseis moy kai xwris thn epifylaktikothta, dioti eida poly kala ti eixe pei.

IWANNOY: Syndeete mhpws aytes tis dhlwseis poy einai se teleiws diaforetikh, opws eipate, kateyqynsh apo tis mexri twra dhlwseis toy Amerikanoy presbh, isws me tis ejelijeis sto Kypriako;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Ekeino, omws poy qelw na parathrhsw me thn eykairia poy moy dinete einai oti thn idia periergh biasynh edeijan shmera kai mia seira stelexh ths N.D., oi opoioi les kai den blepoyn oti ejelissetai h akroamatikh diadikasia, poy qa deijei se olo ton ellhniko lao oles tis leptomereies kai tyxon eyqynes poy yparxoyn gyrw apo to meizon qema ths drashs ayths ths tromokratikhs organwshs. As exoyn epiteloys ligh ypomonh. Edw den xreiazontai polla logia. Edw xreiazetai stash eyqynhs.

MIXAHL: Apantwntas sxetika me ton tropo poy diapisteysate kai ta sxolia poy akoysthkan, eipate oti yparxoyn poinikes kai astikes dikes sth dikonomia kai den yparxoyn politikes dikes. Qelw na sas rwthsw, oi dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs oti htthqhke ideologika h tromokratia kai h dhmokratia nikhse kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy ekane mia synolikh dhlwsh, kapoia stigmh to kalokairi, synexizoyn na isxyoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Amfisbhteite oti isxyoyn; Bebaiws, isxyoyn. Kata ta alla, sth dikonomia mas yparxoyn dyo eidh dikwn: poinikes kai astikes. Se mia poinikh dikh, o kathgoroymenos mporei na barynetai me kathgories gia prajeis poy eixan politikes epiptwseis. An me rwthsete, ean eixe politikes epiptwseis h tromokratia gia th xwra mas, bebaiws qa sas pw oti eixe. Ara, loipon, isxyoyn apolytws oi dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs. Me th syllhch ths 17N kataferqhke ena bary plhgma -kai ideologiko kai epixeirhsiako- s@ ayth thn tromokratikh organwsh, alla kai genikotera sthn Ellada.

MIXAHL: Apo th stigmh poy egine ayto to bary ideologiko plhgma, den mporei na einai poiniko ayto, politiko qa einai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw, giati isws den egina katanohtos: Dyo dikes problepei h dikonomia, thn poinikh kai thn astikh. Den yparxei trito eidos dikhs. Ara, h diapisteysh eprepe na ginei h gia poinikh h gia astikh dikh. H dikh ths 17N ginetai kata to poiniko Dikaio.

MIXAHL: Efoson ideologika kai politika exei htthqei h tromokratia kai efoson exei ypostei plhgma kata tis isxyoyses akomh dhlwseis toy k. Shmith kai toy k. Xrysoxoidh, rwtw, pws ginetai na exei htthqei ideologika kai thn idia wra na dikazontai poinika.

PRWTOPAPAS: H dikh ginetai, symfwna me tis diatajeis ths dikonomias. Den yparxei periptwsh na dikastoyn ideologika. Einai poly aplo. H Ellada exei nomoys toys opoioys kai efarmozei. H tromokratia exei kai politikes proektaseis. H drash mias tromokratikhs organwshs, piqanon, na exei kai politikes epiptwseis, me apotelesmata se baros ths xwras. Dioti, ean se mia xwra yparxei kaqestws anasfaleias, yparxoyn politikes proektaseis. H parapomph se dikh kathgoroymenwn gia tromokratia, prepei na ginei symfwna me toys kanones ths poinikhs dikonomias, symfwna me to Syntagma kai toys nomoys. Symfwna, loipon, me to Syntagma kai toys nomoys, yparxoyn dyo eidh dikwn, oi poinikes kai oi astikes. Den syzhtame ayth th stigmh gia to politiko periexomeno ths tromokratias. An qelete na syzhthsoyme, eyxaristws. Syzhtame gia to diadikastiko meros ths poinikhs dikhs. Ayto den to lew egw, to leei h dikonomia mas, to Syntagma kai oi nomoi. Biasthkan merikoi -piqanon apo agnoia- na prosdiorisoyn to xarakthra ths dikhs. Den mporei kapoios na dikastei gia politikoys - ideologikoys logoys. Den diafwnoyme, loipon, oti h tromokratia exei kai politikes epiptwseis. Den diafwnoyme, epishs, oti sthn tromokratia yparxoyn kai ideologika zhthmata poy prepei na katapolemhsoyme.

KARGOYDH: Xqes, to eyrwbarometro ebgale kapoia apotelesmata poy aforoyn th stash toy mesoy Eyrwpaioy polith, enanti twn epilogwn ths amerikanikhs hgesias. To erwthma eteqh gia prwth fora kai ta pososta ths dyspistias poy shmeiwnontai sthn Eyrwph se epipedo politwn gia tis epiloges ths amerikanikhs hgesias, einai poly ychla. Hqela na rwthsw, ean ayto to lambanei ypoch ths h ellhnikh Proedria kai an protiqetai na analabei prwtoboylies se ayto to mhkos kymatos.

PRWTOPAPAS: H ellhnikh Proedria leitoyrgei me bash mia oloklhrwmenh strathgikh kai oxi me bash tis metrhseis. Bebaiws, ola lambanontai ypoch kai ola meletwntai. Alla, yparxei mia oloklhrwmenh strathgikh gia ta qemata toy polemoy kai s@ ayta ta zhthmata exoyme milhsei kat@ epanalhch. An me rwtate, ean qa yparjoyn kai nees prwtoboylies, sas apantw oti exoyn yparjei polles prwtoboylies mexri twra. Piqano na ekdhlwqoyn kai nees, otan ayto kriqei apo thn Proedria.

KARGOYDH: Se poia kateyqynsh qa einai aytes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporoyme na allazoyme kateyqynseis. Einai zhthmata ths sygkekrimenhs strathgikhs poy efarmozoyme. Einai safhs h strathgikh poy akoloyqoyme.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Epeidh, opws eipate, meta ton k. Miler kai dyo stelexh ths N.D., toylaxiston dyo gnwrizw egw, ton k. Mhtsotakh kai ton k. Lykoyrezo...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai kai alloi.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Aytoys toys dyo akoysa. Politika, pws to ejhgeite ayto; Dhladh, otan jekina h dikh, na qetoyn en amfibolw to gegonos oti odeyei sthn ejarqrwsh ths h tromokratia sthn Ellada.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, topoqethqei. Alla, den qa koyrastw na lew oti me th syllhch kai th diejagwgh ths dikhs gia thn tromokratikh organwsh 17N, eperxetai h kaqarsh se ena gegonos poy talanise peripoy gia treis dekaeties thn ellhnikh koinwnia. An kapoioi apo toys Ellhnes politikoys exoyn diaforetikes apoceis, as tis kataqesoyn. An exoyn kati diaforetiko na prosqesoyn, kapoia stoixeia, na mas ta poyn. Alliws, toys synistw na exoyn th stoixeiwdh ypomonh kai na parakoloyqhsoyn apo konta thn akroamatikh diadikasia. Ekei qa paroyn tis apanthseis poy anazhtoyn. Qelei eyqynh, den qelei logia ayth h periodos.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Kai kati akomh: Epeidh eixate pei, xqes, otan erwthqhkate, an protiqetai h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se systaseis pros ton Amerikano presbeyth sthn periptwsh poy epibebaiwqei oti apodoqhkan swsta oi dhlwseis toy, to antimetwpizete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi dhlwseis mas dinoyn th diastash toy qematos.

KWNSTANTHS: Pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh ths paratetamenh fqinoysa poreia toy Xrhmatisthrioy; Kata to parelqon miloysate para poly gi ayto to qema. Polloi, malista, analytes syndeoyn th synexizomenh ptwsh toy Xrhmatisthrioy kai me kapoies dysleitoyrgies ths oikonomias. Qa labei kapoia metra h kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei ayth th tragikh eikona toy Xrhmatisthrioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti to Xrhmatisthrio yfistatai tis synepeies mias genikoterhs katastashs poy epikratei dieqnws kai oti bebaiws, se mia makroxronia periodo antikatoptrizei tis opoies synqhkes dhmioyrgoyntai sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Ara, ayth thn periodo einai logiko ola ta xrhmatisthria toy kosmoy na yfistantai tis synepeies ths apeilhs toy polemoy. O rolos mas, omws, den einai na ginoyme ermhneytes fainomenwn, alla na antimetwpizoyme thn katastash. Me th genikoterh politikh mas, me th diathrhsh ychlwn ryqmwn anaptyjhs kai thn idiaitera prosextikh politikh poy askoyme ston tomea ths oikonomias, qa mporesoyme na feroyme gera to karabi ths ellhnikhs oikonomias se asfalh limania kai na dhmioyrghsoyme kalyteres synqhkes, toso gia tis epixeirhseis, oso kai gia thn kefalaiagora.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Pws krinete tis enstaseis kathgoroymenwn gia th synqesh toy dikasthrioy kai tis aixmes peri xwrofylakwn poy akoysate xqes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den epiqymw na parembw me kanenan tropo sth diejagwgh ths dikhs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O k. Anan se dhlwseis poy exei kanei shmera, exei pei oti meta tis 10 Martioy, ean den breqei lysh metajy twn dyo pleyrwn, den qa mporei piqanotata na prosferei tis yphresies toy sto mellon se ayto to baqmo. Fobaste, anhsyxeite;

PRWTOPAPAS: To qema einai na doyleyoyme se mia kateyqynsh. Kai emeis kai h Kypriakh Dhmokratia, opws ekfrazetai me tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy k. Tasoy Papadopoyloy, doyleyoyme sthn kateyqynsh ths ejeyreshs leitoyrgikhs kai biwsimhs lyshs gia to politiko problhma ths Kyproy. Ayth einai, oxi apla kai mono h agwnia mas, alla kai h prospaqeia, h kateyqynsh sthn opoia estiazetai ton endiaferon kai h doyleia mas. Ergazomaste gia na breqei lysh, leitoyrgikh kai biwsimh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Exei apofasistei poios qa ekproswphsei th xwra mas sth Xagh, ean dhladh qa paei o Prwqypoyrgos h o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas enhmerwsoyme ayrio.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Eixame shmera mia synenteyjh toy Arxiepiskopoy Xristodoyloy, sthn opoia leei xarakthristika oti h politikh den prepei na ejyphretei skoteina kentra ejoysias kai symferonta kai oti hgeths poy den exei hqos den einai hgeths. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti h synenteyjh toy Arxiepiskopoy dhmioyrgei kapoio problhma. Diapistwseis genikoy xarakthra diatypwnei.

IWANNOY: O polemos pote qa ginei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Synexizoyme na elpizoyme oti den qa ginei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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