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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Febroyarioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

To programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa sas to dwsw ayrio, analytika, dioti den egine to prwi h synanthsh mas me ton Prwqypoyrgo, logw ths ektakths synanthshs toy me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai sth synexeia, ths programmatismenhs synanthshs toy me ton Elbeto Prwqypoyrgo, poy ginetai ayth thn wra.

Yparxei mia anakoinwsh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. O Prwqypoyrgos, enocei toso ths kataqeshs ths ekqeshs Mplij ston OHE, thn Paraskeyh 14.2, oso kai twn epomenwn ejelijewn sto qema toy Irak, proteinei stoys hgetes twn 14 kratwn-melwn ths E.E. na synanthqoyn stis Bryjelles to brady ths 17hs Febroyarioy. Einai safes oti prokeitai gia prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, me antikeimeno thn ejetash ths katastashs, opws diamorfwnetai gyrw apo thn krish sto Irak kai th diereynhsh kai analhch prwtoboyliwn gia th zhtoymenh koinh stash ths E.E. Qa prohghqei, symfwna me thn protash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, atyph synanthsh twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn, to prwi ths idias hmeras. Qa ektimhqei h katastash kai stis dyo aytes synanthseis, sto plaisio ths apofashs 1441 toy OHE kai ths koinhs qeshs ths E.E. stis 27.1, kaqws kai to qema ths proodoy ths eirhneytikhs diadikasias sth Mesh Anatolh. Prokeitai gia mia akomh prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, me thn idiothta toy proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, poy hrqe meta apo thn enhmerwsh toy, gyrw apo tis epafes toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn Giwrgoy Papandreoy sth Nea Yorkh, alla kai sth Mesh Anatolh. Prokeitai gia mia prwtoboylia poy bebaiws exei akomh diereynhtiko xarakthra, alla deixnei th qelhsh ths ellhnikhs Proedrias na ejasfalisei, oso ayto einai dynato, thn koinh stash ths E.E. se ena meizon qema, opws einai h krish sto Irak. Einai safes oti akoma yparxoyn periqwria gia eirhneytikes prwtoboylies, oti akomh yparxoyn periqwria gia th, mesa apo politikes diadikasies, dieyqethsh ths krishs. O polemos den einai monodromos. Pros thn kateyqynsh ayth exoyn anaptyxqei polles prwtoboylies apo polles kybernhseis. Yphrxe h sxetikh protash toy Proedroy toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy, alla kai h epistolh pros ton k. Giwrgo Papandreoy kai apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs toy Belgioy. Hdh, proxwroyn oi sxetikes diereynhtikes diadikasies gi` ayth th synanthsh twn hgetwn. Elpizw oti mexri to brady qa eimaste isws se qesh na sas dwsoyme mia pio kaqarh eikona. Ekeino poy exw na prosqesw einai oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei, epishs, milhsei shmera me ton Germano Kagkelario k. Srenter kai me ton Prwqypoyrgo toy Belgioy. Fysika, den mporei na apokleistoyn, mexri to brady kai alles epafes me hgetes twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E.

Pleon ayths ths prwtoboylias, h opoia einai idiaitera shmantikh kai einai apo tis prwtoboylies poy eixame proanaggeilei, tis synexizomenes prwtoboylies ths ellhnikhs Proedrias, yparxei kai h prwtoboylia toy ypoyrgoy Amynas Giannoy Papantwnioy, sthn 30h Dieqnh Diaskech toy Monaxoy gia thn politikh asfaleias, h opoia synhlqe to Sabbato, 8 Febroyarioy, me th symmetoxh 40 ypoyrgwn Amynas, apo olo ton kosmo. O k. Papantwnioy htan apo toys ligoys omilhtes sth Diaskech, sthn opoia, ws gnwston, parabreqhke kai o Amerikanos ypoyrgos Amynas kai mia seira ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn kai egine kai h gnwsth syzhthsh, metajy toy k. Ramsfelnt kai toy Germanoy omologoy toy k. Fiser. O k. Papantwnioy sto geyma twn ypoyrgwn, alla kai sthn eishghsh toy, tonise oti h Eyrwph prepei na mila kai na dra enwmena, wste na mporei na askei epirroh stis ejelijeis, idiaitera se qemata eirhnhs kai polemoy. Tonise oti oi antiqeseis poy exoyn anaptyxqei sthn E.E., h diastash apocewn stoys kolpoys ths Eyrwphs, ejasqenei th qesh ths Eyrwphs kai gi ayto to logo, h ellhnikh Proedria kalei ta melh ths E.E. kai kyriws tis xwres poy symmetexoyn sto Symboylio Asfaleias, na synergastoyn mazi ths, na synergastoyn me thn Proedria, wste na diamorfwqei h koinh eyrwpaikh qesh kai na parembei apofasistika sto qema toy Irak. Se synexeia ths parembashs toy k. Papantwnioy kai twn parembasewn toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn Giwrgoy Papandreoy kai twn synanthsewn toy me toys omologoys toy twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E. poy metexoyn sto Symboylio Asfaleias, yphrje kai h shmerinh parembash ths Proedrias, dia toy proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, toy Prwqypoyrgoy, sthn kateyqynsh mias syzhthshs twn arxhgwn kratwn kai kybernhsewn gia na anazhthqei kai bebaiws me prooptikh na ejeyreqei h dynatothta koinhs stashs, koinwn prwtoboyliwn ths E.E., sto meizon qema toy Irak.

Eisagwgika, yparxei ena deytero qema poy afora ta qemata ths ellhnikhs Proedrias. Symfwna me apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, zhthqhke apo oloys toys ypoyrgoys, poy proedreyoyn symboyliwn ths E.E., na enhmerwnoyn, se takta xronika diasthmata, gia paradeigma, kaqe dyo h treis ebdomades, thn koinh gnwmh, mesa apo synenteyjeis Typoy, gyrw apo tis prwtoboylies poy aneptyjan, toso sta Symboylia, oso kai se Epitropes twn Symboyliwn, sta opoia proedreyoyn. Epishs, enocei twn typikwn kai atypwn Symboyliwn poy ginontai synexeia, yparxei stenh synergasia twn ypoyrgwn me to ypoyrgeio Typoy kai MME, prokeimenoy na mporoyme na sas enhmerwnoyme gia tis shmantikes prwtoboylies poy analambanei h ellhnikh Proedria kai to kyriotero gia ta apotelesmata poy yphrxan kai qa yparjoyn apo thn Proedria ayth. Dioti, mexri stigmhs, exoyn yparjei shmantika apotelesmata kai sto ECOFIN kai sto Symboylio twn ypoyrgwn Gewrgias, alla kai sto atypo Symboylio toy Nayplioy. Pragmatika qeloyme th bohqeia sas kai xreiazetai na anaptyjoyme oloi mazi prwtoboylies, giati ayto einai qema poy afora th xwra, thn Ellada kai oxi stena thn kybernhsh, gyrw apo thn anadeijh toy kai thn enhmerwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Epishs, se takta xronika diasthmata, qa ginetai kai eidikh syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, gyrw apo ta apotelesmata ths Proedrias, wste na yparxei kalyterh enhmerwsh kai antallagh apocewn gyrw apo ayta ta qemata.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Exoyme mia ekkremothta apo thn Paraskeyh. Sas eixa rwthsei na moy peite ti ginetai me tis perifhmes epistoles Anan, pros toys Prwqypoyrgoys ths Elladas kai ths Toyrkias. Hqela na moy peite ean apedexqh thn prosklhsh o k. Shmiths, se ti epipedo qa ginei ayth h synanthsh kai epeidh grafhke ston kypriako Typo, sas to anaferw kai ayto, mhpws ayto egkymonei kindynoys, mhpws telika to Kypriako to kanoyme ellhno-toyrkikh diafora, ean synanthqoyn oi Prwqypoyrgoi Elladas kai Toyrkias kai syzhthsoyn gia qemata asfaleias;

PRWTOPAPAS: H epistolh Anan zhtaei na yparjei synanthsh ekproswpwn, sto plaisio toy OHE kai ths protashs toy Genikoy Grammatea, prokeimenoy na syzhthqoyn ta qemata eggyhshs kai asfaleias, ta opoia perilambanontai sthn protash. Opws synantatai o Proedros Klhridhs me ton k. Ntenktas gia na syzhthsoyn ola ta kefalaia toy Sxedioy Anan, zhteitai apo thn Ellada kai thn Toyrkia, kai malista grhgora -kai exei shmasia to ``grhgora'', giati profanws o OHE etoimazei kapoia nea prwtoboylia- na synanthqoyn gia na syzhthsoyn apokleistika ta qemata eggyhshs kai asfaleias poy perilambanontai sto Sxedio Anan. Qa sas enhmerwsoyme pote qa pragmatopoihqei ayth h synanthsh kai se ti epipedo, molis oristei. Alla, h Ellada den mporei na exei antirrhseis gia thn pragmatopoihsh ayths ths synanthshs, giati eimaste yper twn diapragmateysewn, basei toy Sxedioy Anan.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: ...den metatrepei to Kypriako apo dieqnes qema se ellhnotoyrkikh diafora;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, dioti oles oi syzhthseis ginontai sto plaisio toy OHE kai ypo thn aigida toy OHE. Kai me thn paroysia toy k. Nte Soto synantatai synhqws kai o Proedros Klhridhs me ton k. Ntenktas. Gia to pote qa ginei h synanthsh qa sas enhmerwsw.

BITALHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh krinei oti einai logiko na jekinhsei mia tetoioy typoy diapragmateysh kai sto plaisio toy OHE, ean den yparjei prohgoymena symfwnia ths toyrkokypriakhs kai ths ellhnokypriakhs pleyras epi toy Sxedioy Anan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai ypoxrewsh mas na antallagoyn apoceis gia to Sxedio kai ta qemata eggyhshs kai asfaleias;

BITALHS: Bebaiws, alla den yparxei mia kat` arxhn symfwnia anamesa stis dyo pleyres, ayto lew.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi dyo pleyres syzhtoyn synexeia. Opws gnwrizete, exoyn kanei eji synanthseis. Ara, diapragmateyontai. Sto plaisio panta toy OHE, prepei na ginei kai kapoia synanthsh, se kapoio epipedo, poy qa breqei fantazomai, wste na mh dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias. Den einai dimerhs synanthsh kai oyte ef` olhs ths ylhs. Qa syzhthqei ena kefalaio ths protashs, ena-dyo shmeia. Mono ayta.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ws eggyhtries dynameis tis kalei to eggrafo...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ws eggyhtries dynameis tis kalei, alla gia sygkekrimeno qema, gia sygkekrimeno kefalaio. Dhladh, h ellhnikh dynamh qa paei h oxi sthn Kypro h h toyrkikh, antistoixa. Kai an qa paei, posh qa einai, pws qa synennoeitai kai poy qa egkatastaqei; Xreiazetai h den xreiazetai; Dioti, opws gnwrizete, h Ellada, epi ths arxhs exei pei oti den xreiazetai. Alla, bebaiws, telikws ean katalhjoyme oti apaiteitai, qa pame sto elaxisto dynato. Ayta ta qemata prepei na syzhthqoyn kai metajy twn dyo. Emeis, exoyme pei, edw kai arketes hmeres, oti eimaste etoimoi kai ayto einai se gnwsh ths kypriakhs pleyras. Apo thn allh pleyra, oi Toyrkoi mexri twra den eixan pei nai. Apo tis dhlwseis toy Toyrkoy ekproswpoy toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, thn Pempth, fanhke oti yparxei mia tetoia piqanothta. Qa to doyme.

KARGOYDH: Ayth h qesh poy diatypwnetai sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti yparxoyn periqwria gia eirhneytikes prwtoboylies kai o polemos den einai monodromos, ayth h qesh, apo tis diereynhtikes epafes poy exei kanei h Proedria me tis 14 xwres, yioqeteitai omofwnws, kata pleiochfia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti ean eixe yioqethqei kati tetoio, qa eixan bgei kai apofaseis. Omws, yparxoyn polles xwres, kybernhseis, oi opoies zhtoyn th lhch eirhneytikwn prwtoboyliwn kai anazhtoyn ena syntonismo ths E.E. pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. H Ellhnikh Proedria exei thn idia apoch kai thn exei ekfrasei edw kai arketo kairo, oti yparxei o eirhnikos dromos gia na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata gyrw apo thn krish sto Irak, oti xreiazetai h E.E. na exei koinh stash se ayto to meizon dieqnes qema. Bebaiws, yparxei kai h apodoxh ths E.E. se ayth thn anagkaiothta, arxika me thn apofash ths 27hs Ianoyarioy sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn. Xreiazetai, omws, aytes oi prwtoboylies na ejelixqoyn. Kanoyme, loipon, mia protash -kai to tonizw ayto- kai diereynoyme shmera th dynatothta pragmatopoihshs ths synanthshs twn 15 hgetwn, akribws giati prepei na antallagoyn aytes oi apoceis kai na ginei ayth h politikh syzhthsh. Giati, prepei na breqoyn sto idio trapezi oi Eyrwpaioi hgetes kai na syzhthsoyn ena qema poy, ayth th stigmh, talanizei oloys toys laoys. Den einai siwphrh h Ellhnikh Proedria. Den einai qeaths twn ejelijewn. Me prwtoboylies, parembainei stis ejelijeis. Mexri arga to brady, qa gnwrizoyme poia qa einai ta telika apotelesmata gyrw apo ayth thn prwtoboylia. Qelw, omws, na pisteyw -giati ayto zhtoyn oi laoi ths Eyrwphs- oti oloi oi Eyrwpaioi hgetes qa dexqoyn na syzhthsoyn.

BITALHS: Epeidh ayth h diereynhsh twn qesewn twn Eyrwpaiwn hgetwn exei jekinhsei edw kairo, an qymamai kala meta thn ekdhlwsh prwtoboylias twn "8", hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Epeidh exoyn ginei kapoies epafes kai epeidh oi qeseis toylaxiston twn megalwn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn exoyn katagrafei gia to qema toy Irak, sas problhmatizei to gegonos mhpws pame stis Bryjelles kai syzhthsoyme kai anti na bgei kati qetiko, h E.E. epibebaiwsei ayth th baqia ths diaspash kai ayto poso qa ephreasei telika thn idia thn Ellhnikh Proedria;

PRWTOPAPAS: H Ellhnikh Proedria ofeilei na analambanei prwtoboylies se ayto poy pisteyei kai sthn kateyqynsh poy qewrei swsth. Oloi krinomaste. Oi laoi ths Eyrwphs mas parathroyn kai mas krinoyn. Sas diabebaiwnw gi` ayto. Oi laoi ths Eyrwphs qeloyn thn eirhnh, qeloyn thn koinh stash ths E.E..

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Apo to idio mikrofwno, edw kai arketes meres kai oxi mono mia fora, exete pei, metaferontas kai thn apoch toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oti mia tetoia kinhsh qa ginotan, efoson yphrje dynatothta koinhs stashs kai malista sthn kateyqynsh ths eirhnhs. Eixate pei, malista, oti an den yparxei tetoia dynatothta, mallon den qa ginei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gi` ayto, opws blepete, einai prosegmenh h diatypwsh. Ayth htan h kateyqynsh poy eixame, an qymamai kala, prin apo peripoy deka meres. Apo tote, kylhse poly nero st` aylaki.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Ayto qelw na rwthsw, exei allajei kati;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws. Exoyme polla kai shmantika politika gegonota. Thn prohgoymenh Tetarth, yphrje mia poly shmantikh synedriash toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Yphrje, epishs, h diaskech toy Monaxoy gia thn politikh asfaleias, opoy, parallhla me thn poly shmantikh parembash toy Ellhna ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas, yphrjan kai poly shmantikes parembaseis kai apo alles kybernhseis sthn idia kateyqynsh. Yparxoyn epistoles apo kybernhseis, opws toy Belgioy, alla kai apo to Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio, poy mas edwsan sygkekrimenes protaseis. Ola ayta ajiologhqhkan, opws ajiologeitai kai h dynamikh poy anaptyssetai stoys laoys ths Eyrwphs.

Safws, ofeiloyme na lambanoyme ypoch ta kinhmata poy dhmioyrgoyntai, tis prwtoboylies poy anaptyssontai, th qelhsh twn lawn kai na syntonizoyme ta bhmata mas sthn idia kateyqynsh. Bebaiws, opws qa prosejate, den proteinoyme Symboylio Koryfhs. Proteinoyme mia atyph diadikasia dialogoy, akribws giati gnwrizoyme tis dyskolies poy yparxoyn kai h opoia qa exei to xarakthra anazhthshs, diereynhshs kai antallaghs apocewn, efoson qeloyme na proxwrhsoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, oloi krinomaste.

IWANNOY: Den qa labei apofash, dhladh, ayth h Synodos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai Synodos, einai synanthsh. H synanthsh den exei ton typiko xarakthra gia na labei apofaseis. An, omws, apo th synanthsh ayth prokycei h dynatothta apofasewn, einai poly eykolo ayto.

POYLIDOY: An qymamai kala, apo thn atyph synanthsh twn hgetwn, perysi, gia thn tromokratia, eixan bgei symperasmata.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti, an katalhjoyme kapoy, h typikh ekdosh symperasmatwn einai poly eykolh, eite me ena chfisma, eite me keimeno, eite me ena atypo symboylio, eite me Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn. Ekei qa einai oi ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn. Mh stekomaste sto typiko meros. Exei to xarakthra ths syzhthshs kai oxi toy atypoy symboylioy. Qa doyme pws qa diamorfwqei. Ayth h shmantikh prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy exei to xarakthra ths syzhthshs twn hgetwn, akribws gia na tonisei oti edw erxomaste gia na antapokriqoyme se mia apaithsh twn lawn mas, se ena zhthma poy afora olo ton kosmo. Na cajoyme na broyme pws h E.E. qa staqei sthn krish sto Irak kai pws qa mporesoyme na anazhthsoyme prwtoboylies sthn kateyqynsh ths eirhnikhs epilyshs ths diaforas. Qa diereynhqei kai an katalhjoyme, qa to ependysoyme typika. An den katalhjoyme, safws qa enhmerwqoyn oloi kai qa kriqoyme.

POYLIDOY: Ara, gia na katalabw, akoma ki an enas hgeths dhlwsei oti den qewrei anagkaia th symmetoxh toy, qa ginei synanthsh h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Hdh, ginontai epafes me oloys toys hgetes kai qa eimaste se qesh, isws arga to brady h ayrio to prwi, na sas enhmerwsoyme. Ayto to qema apaitei leptoys xeirismoys.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: H Megalh Bretania, h Ollandia qa symmetasxoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prin sas synanthsw, yphrje epikoinwnia me ton k. Srenter kai me to Belgo Prwqypoyrgo, poy prosanatolizontai na symmetasxoyn. Alla, ayto qa kriqei syntoma.

GIANNISHS: Yparxei to xqesino dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "KAQHMERINH", poy apokalyptei eggrafa twn mystikwn yphresiwn ths prwhn Anatolikhs Germanias, ta opoia emfanizoyn na empleketai Ellhnas epixeirhmatias. Gnwrizei ayta ta eggrafa h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prokeitai gia eggrafa me thn typikh morfh toys, alla gia to hlektroniko arxeio ths tews mystikhs yphresias "Stazi", ths tews Anatolikhs Germanias. Epeidh diereynhsa arketa to qema xqes, ta sygkekrimena ntokoymenta den exoyn perielqei se gnwsh eite twn ellhnikwn Arxwn, eite twn dikastikwn kai eisaggelikwn arxwn poy diereynoyn to qema. Yparxei, bebaiws, h sxetikh diereynhsh apo ton eisaggelea kai malista exei askhqei poinikh diwjh gia tetoia zhthmata, poy egine prin merikoys mhnes kai h ypoqesh ereynatai. Einai, loipon, safes oti oi eisaggeleis qa kanoyn th doyleia toys, qa zhthsoyn kai ayta ta stoixeia. Opoios mporei na syneisferei mporei na to kanei. Se kaqe periptwsh kai epishmws qa zhthqoyn ayta ta stoixeia kai se kaqe periptwsh, oi eisaggeleis qa proxwrhsoyn kai qa oloklhrwsoyn th doyleia ths diwjhs ayths, bgazontas to porisma toys. Exoyme empistosynh sthn ellhnikh Dikaiosynh kai xreiazetai na plhroforhqei o ellhnikos laos ti ginetai gyrw apo ayth thn ypoqesh.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Sthn periptwsh poy h eisaggelikh ereyna epibebaiwsei ta stoixeia poy yparxoyn, ayto qa shmanei kati gia tis synergasies toy sygkekrimenoy epixeirhmatia me to Dhmosio; To rwtw ayto, giati enw brisketai hdh se ejelijh h poinikh diwjh, to ellhniko Dhmosio synexizei na ypografei symbaseis me to sygkekrimeno epixeirhmatia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, to ellhniko Dhmosio kanei dieqneis kai dhmosioys diagwnismoys. Den ypografei symbaseis "kata protimhsin" me kanenan. Deyteron, yparxei mia arxh sto Syntagma mas, thn opoia kai throyme. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, prepei oloi na zhthsoyme na proxwrhsei h eisaggelikh ereyna kai na exoyme ta apotelesmata ths. Yparxei poinikh diwjh me bash thn opoia proxwrei h eisaggelikh ereyna. Sas epanalambanw oti ta nea stoixeia, apo o,ti plhroforhqhka, den htan ypoch twn armodiwn. Qa ajiologhqoyn kai qa yparjei ena porisma. Apo ayto kai th synexeia poy qa yparjei, qa kriqoyn ola. Etsi leitoyrgoyn h Dikaiosynh kai h ellhnikh Politeia. Symfwna me to Syntagma mas, enoxos einai aytos gia ton opoio yparxei sxetikh apofash apo to dikasthrio. Ayto poy prepei na zhtoyn oloi shmera einai na proxwrhsei h ereyna se ena toso sobaro qema. Exoyme empistosynh sth Dikaiosynh, poy prepei na kanei kala kai grhgora th doyleia ths, wste na exoyme to porisma kai th synexeia toy qematos.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Prin apo ligo, o k. Mhtsotakhs me dhlwseis toy ejefrase thn apoch, oti kalo qa htan h ypoqesh na anateqei se Efeth Anakrith, gia na ginei pio grhgora h diadikasia, yponowntas safws oti fobatai ton kindyno paragrafhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena qema kaqysterhshs gia paragrafh, prepei na to jekaqarisoyme. Oles aytes oi ypoqeseis poy kata ton opoiodhpote tropo endiaferoyn amesa to dhmosio bio ths xwras kai thn oikonomia ths xwras, epomenws kai thn ellhnikh koinwnia, qa proxwrhsoyn kanonika. Opws jerete, yparxei sxetikh entolh, efarmozontai nomoi gia thn epitaxynsh twn diadikasiwn. Prosfata o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse apo ton Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy na epitaxynei tis diadikasies kai na dwsei apanthseis se ola ayta ta qemata. Den yparxei, loipon, kanenas kindynos kaqysterhshs poy na odhghsei se paragrafh.

IWANNOY: Mporeite na mas enhmerwsete akribws gi` ayto to neo kroysma sthn Eqnikh Odo, xqes, sto ycos ths Tripolhs; Htan qema kakotexnias h gewlogiko; Ti akribws qa kanei h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa yparjei sxetikh analytikh enhmerwsh, giati afora qemata texnikhs fysews, apo thn armodia ypoyrgo PEXWDE Basw Papandreoy gia to qema ayto, syntoma. Hdh exoyn prohghqei sxetikes dhlwseis apo toys kyrioys Basileioy kai Matsigko se arketoys radiofwnikoys staqmoys. Anamfibola, ej oswn prokyptei -kai epanalambanw xwris na eimai eidikos epi toy qematos- apo th sxetikh enhmerwsh poy exw, yphrjan sobares elleiceis stis gewtexnikes meletes. Oson afora to sygkekrimeno shmeio ths Eqnikhs Odoy Korinqoy-Tripolews yphrxe apo palia mia problech se sxetikh meleth gia ena dromo me mia syn mia lwrides kykloforias. Sth synexeia, to 1990, an den kanw laqos, egine problech gia dyo syn dyo lwrides kykloforias, opote allajan oi sxetikes meletes, akoloyqhsan oi sxetikes apofaseis kai o dromos aytos paradoqhke to 1992. Pantws, se oles aytes tis ypoqeseis - kai qa prosejate oti den epixeirw na politikopoihsw to qema ayto - yphrjan sobares elleiceis stis gewtexnikes meletes. Qelw de na qymisw, oti ta teleytaia xronia, exei katablhqei megalh prospaqeia ws pros th beltiwsh twn meletwn aytwn, idiaitera apo th stigmh poy ginetai epimhkynsh twn odwn, symfwna me ta dieqnh protypa.

MPOTWNHS: Gia poso kairo qa talaipwroyntai oi synanqrwpoi mas sto Qessaliko kampo kai qa kobetai h Ellada sta dyo me toys agrotes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anoigete ena poly sobaro qema. Kat` arxas, qewrw adianohto na kopei h Ellada sta dyo. Den mporei na plhrwnei o ellhnikos laos, ena epimeroys problhma poy yparxei kai to opoio qa sas analysw.

Qelw na pisteyw oti oi sygkekrimenoi agrotes -kai oxi oloi genika oi agrotes- oi opoioi kanoyn tis sxetikes kinhtopoihseis, qa analaboyn tis eyqynes toys. Dioti, gia kapoio problhma poy yparxei, sxetika me thn paralabh toy bambakioy - kai malista, isws, paranoma paraxqentos bambakioy - den mporei na kopei h Ellada sta dyo, den mporei na diataraxqei h oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh ths perioxhs. Sas lew pws exei to qema.

Opws jerete, fetos -kai persi bebaiws, alla eidika fetos- yphrje plhrhs efarmogh toy Kanonismoy ths E.E. gyrw apo thn kalliergeia bambakos. Oristhkan oi perioxes, ta stremmata kai h mesh kata stremma apodosh, me bash kai thn prohgoymenh empeiria apo thn perioxh, alla kai ola ta eyrwpaika stantart. Malista oristhke oti h mesh apodosh qa eprepe na einai gyrw sta 325 kila, kata stremma. Ti synebh; Anoijan ta ekkokkisthria kai paradoqhke to bambaki kanonika, symfwna me oti proeblepe o Kanonismos. Dhladh, ginotan elegxos apo toys armodioys gia to ti eixe dhlwsei o agroths, posa stremmata eixe symfwnhqei oti qa mpoyn ston Kanonismo gia to bambaki ki an h posothta thn opoia paredidan htan, kata meso oro, konta ston ypologisqenta kai symfwnhqenta meso oro me thn E.E.. Kai giati synebaine ayto; Dioti apo ekei qa kaqorisqoyn oi epidothseis. Oi epidothseis, pleon, den ginontai anejelegkta. Ginontai katopin symfwnias gia thn posothta poy qa paraxqei kai me thn kata meso oro stremmatikh apodosh.

Ti apaitei, loipon, to pragmatiko symferon twn agrotwn; Na thrhqei o Kanonismos. Giati ayto; Giati tote h timh toy bambakioy qa einai idiaitera ychlh. Giati oi agrotes oi opoioi parhgagan bambaki me bash th symfwnia, h opoia eixe yparjei mazi toys gia thn thrhsh toy Kanonismoy, qa paroyn ychlh timh gia to proion toys. Ayto symferei ton Ellhna agroth kai eidika ton Ellhna bambakoparagwgo.

Yphrjan, omws, kai orismenoi oi opoioi isxyrizontai oti den prolaban. Ean ayto exei na kanei me logoys anwteras bias (gia paradeigma, proekyce kati aifnidiastika se kapoioys) o Kanonismos ths E.E. problepei oti to Martio poy qa anoijoyn jana ta ekkokkisthria qa prepei na epikalestoyn logoys anwteras bias gia to syntomo xroniko diasthma poy qa jananoijoyn, prokeimenoy na paradwsoyn to bambaki toys. Kai pisteyw oti ki ekeinoi poy eixan pragmati kapoio logo anwteras bias, qa ton epikalestoyn kai symfwna me ta stremmata poy dikaioyntai, qa paradwsoyn to bambaki toys. Ean, omws, prokeitai gia alloys oi opoioi qeloyn na paradwsoyn bambaki poy antistoixei se poly perissotera stremmata h yparxei ejwpragmatikh stremmatikh apodosh -giati akoysthke oti merikoi qeloyn na paradwsoyn to bambaki me apodosh antistoixoysa se 800 kila ana stremma- ayto den ginetai. Milame pragmatika gia paranomia, h opoia einai emfanhs.

Qelw na apeyqynqw s` aytoys toys agrotes kai na toys pw oti mporei men na epiqymoyn na kerdisoyn kati perissotero, alla me ayto ton tropo dhmioyrgoyn problhma, kai malista meizon, sto synolo twn bambakoparagwgwn, dioti qa pesei poly h timh, an ginei yperbash ths timhs poy exei prokaqoristei apo thn E.E..

Poio einai, loipon, to pragmatiko symferon twn bambakoparagwgwn; Na thrhqei o Kanonismos h na ypokycoyme stoys elaxistoys paranomhsantes; H apanthsh fysika einai na thrhqei epakribws o Kanonismos. Kai o Kanonismos perilambanei sxetikh problech gia osoys pragmatika den prolaban gia kapoio logo anwteras bias.

Einai safes, oti den prosferetai ayth h istoria gia kommatikh ekmetalleysh. Qelw na jekaqarisw oti emmenoyme s' ayth thn politikh. Prepei oloi n' analaboyme tis eyqynes mas kai prwta ap' ola ekeinoi oi opoioi epixeiroyn na dhmioyrghsoyn problhmata se baros toy koinwnikoy synoloy.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh h krish eswstrefeias poy fainetai na exei jespasei sto kybernwn komma; Mnhmoneyw tis dhlwseis toy Sabbatokyriakoy apo koryfaia stelexh peri "politikhs anorejias", "emporopanhgyrh" k.l.p.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei krish eswstrefeias. Oi dhlwseis, stis opoies anafereste apo sygkekrimena stelexh, einai synhqeis. De ginontai gia prwth fora. Twra, an kapoioi epixeiroyn na syndesoyn tessera diaforetika pragmata kai na poyn oti yparxei krish sto PASOK, den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Dioti eida na syndeetai h periptwsh ths paraithshs toy k. Pantagia, me dhlwseis allwn stelexwn, me synenteyjeis poy kataqetoyn ton problhmatismo gia to mellon kai thn poreia toy Kinhmatos kai me egkyklio toy Grammatea toy Kommatos poy exei na kanei me thn anasygkrothsh toy PASOK. Den einai swsto na syndeontai ola ayta. Ti anaferei h egkyklios toy Grammatea toy PASOK; Perigrafei th diadikasia, thn poreia kai thn antilhch gia thn anasygkrothsh toy Kinhmatos. Ayto einai qetikh prajh, qetikh prwtoboylia. Den einai eswstrefeia. To idio exei na kanei kai me alles dhlwseis stelexwn. To na exei kapoios protaseis kai apoceis gia to mellon kai ta zhthmata ananewshs toy Kinhmatos, den apotelei, oyte krish eswstrefeias, oyte arnhtikh prajh.

KARELIAS: "Orejh" exete;

PRWTOPAPAS: An anafereste stis dhlwseis toy k. Xrysoxoidh, den q' apanthsw me eyfyologhma, den qelw. Kai ayto giati; Dioti qewrw para poly sobaro ton problhmatismo poy exei kataqesei. Einai enas sobaros problhmatismos gia thn ananewsh toy Kinhmatos kai th mellontikh poreia toy. Analogos problhmatismos, qetikos kai dhmioyrgikos, exei katateqei kai apo polla alla stelexh. Giati qa prepei na ta krinoyme ayta; Eimaste ena megalo dhmokratiko Komma kai einai logiko na yparxei enas problhmatismos nhfalios kai ypeyqynos apo ta stelexh mas.

KARELIAS: Ti exete na peite gia ayth th barbarh eikona poy edeijan, xqes, ta thleoptika diktya, me merikoys enstoloys "palikarades" na klwtsoyn enan anyperaspisto filaqlo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kala kanete kai me rwtate. Qelw na katadikasw me ton pleon kathgorhmatiko tropo th sxetikh energeia. Eyelpistw oti h ereyna poy qa ginei qa apodwsei eyqynes se ekeinoys oi opoioi xeiristhkan me tetoia barbarothta to problhma. Kanenas de symfwnei me paromoies energeies. Panw ap' ola, prepei na yparxei sebasmos sto synanqrwpo mas. Kai aytos einai o rolos twn Arxwn Asfaleias. Opoies parekbaseis yparxoyn, qa ereynwntai kai qa timwroyntai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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