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Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-01-20

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 20 Ianoyarioy 2003

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas anakoinwsw to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, to opoio den einai akoma plhres.

Shmera o Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, brisketai sthn Patra. Exoyn ginei dhlwseis, enw to meshmeri qa ekfwnhsei omilia.

Thn Trith, stis 12 to meshmeri, qa synanthqei me to Roymano Prwqypoyrgo k. Nastaze. Sth synexeia, qa toy paraqesei geyma.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, qa yparjei kybernhtikh syskech gia ta qemata twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, me thn paroysia toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Nikoy Xristodoylakh, toy yfypoyrgoy Giwrgoy Flwridh, toy ypoyrgoy Politismoy Eyaggeloy Benizeloy, toy yfypoyrgoy N. Aleyra, toy G.G. Grammatea Nikoy Kartalh kai toy yfypoyrgoy Typoy Thlemaxoy Xythrh. Stis 12:30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton ypoyrgo Paideias Petro Eyqymioy kai stis 13:30 me to Grammatea toy PASOK Kwsta Laliwth.

Thn Pempth, kata pasa piqanothta, qa synedriasei kybernhtiko organo, o orismos toy opoioy qa ginei ayrio.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 12 to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me to Norbhgo omologo toy k. Mpontebik.

Ayrio, h politikh enhmerwsh qa ginei apo ton yfypoyrgo Typoy Thlemaxo Xythrh, stis 12:30. Egw anaxwrw se ligh wra gia tis Bryjelles, opoy qa kanw th sxetikh paroysiash, sthn armodia epitroph toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy, twn proteraiothtwn ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias gia ta optikoakoystika Mesa. Qa enhmerwqeite me sxetikh anakoinwsh. Qa epistrecw ayrio to brady.

Qelw na kanw eisagwgika mia dhlwsh, me aformh kapoies anafores gyrw apo to qema twn dhmosiwn ergwn: Eixa tonisei thn perasmenh ebdomada -to tonizw kai twra- oti ginontai idiaitera shmantika kai polla dhmosia erga sthn Ellada. Einai gnwsto oti h Ellada, ajiopoiwntas kai toys dikoys ths poroys, alla kai toys poroys toy G` KPS, allazei morfh. Ena megalo meros twn newn ypodomwn, oi opoies dhmioyrgoyntai, aforoyn dhmosia erga. Einai xarakthristiko oti apo ta erga ayta paragetai peripoy to 16% toy Akaqaristoy Eqnikoy Proiontos, enw apasxoleitai peripoy to 17-18% toy ergatikoy dynamikoy. Ginetai, loipon, ek toy gegonotos aytoy safhs h megalh shmasia twn dhmosiwn ergwn, poy ekteloyntai ayth th stigmh sthn Ellada, twn newn ypodomwn poy dhmioyrgoyntai gia to mellon ths anaptyjhs, gia thn poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai fysika gia to mellon ths apasxolhshs, to mellon ths idias ths Elladas. Me ta erga ayta, qa doqei h dynatothta gia akomh kalyteres synqhkes anaptyjhs, beltiwshs toy ependytikoy klimatos kai bebaiws, dhmioyrgias mias seiras ergasiwn kai epixeirhmatikwn drasthriothtwn, oi opoies me th seira toys, qa dhmioyrghsoyn polles xiliades nees qeseis ergasias. Qa einai, loipon, laqos gia ton opoiodhpote logo -kati poy ginetai bebaiws ek systhmatos apo orismenes politikes dynameis kai eidika apo th N.D.- na epixeiroyn kapoioi na rijoyn skies se ayta ta erga h na egeirontai mia seira amfisbhthseis, oi opoies, omws, den exoyn sxesh me pragmatika stoixeia h dedomena, toylaxiston ston tomea ths diafaneias kai ths apotelesmatikothtas, ta opoia h kybernhsh exei prosejei idiaitera. Ayto poy prepei na jekaqarisoyme einai oti ta erga ayta ginontai me diafaneia kai apotelesmatikothta. Allazoyme thn Ellada, dhmioyrgoyme to mellon ths, dhmioyrgoyme ena pio sigoyro ayrio gia thn anaptyjh kai thn apasxolhsh sth xwra mas. Kai qelw na anaferqw epigrammatika se orismena apo ayta ta zhthmata:

@Prwta apo ola sto qema ths diafaneias. Gnwrizete poly kala thn emmonh ths kybernhshs kai proswpika toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto megalo qema ths diafaneias stis symbaseis toy Dhmosioy. Einai xarakthristiko oti me prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs mas, oles oi symbaseis poy einai panw apo 1 dis draxmes, poy ypografei to Dhmosio bebaiws, phgainoyn gia elegxo sto Elegktiko Synedrio, poy einai anejarthto organo, idiaiteroy kyroys. Kaneis den mporei na amfisbhthsei ton elegxo, ton opoio diejagei to Elegktiko Synedrio se oles tis megales symbaseis.

@Deyteron, eidikotera gia ta erga. Edw kai merika xronia efarmozetai o legomenos ``maqhmatikos typos''. Gnwrizete oti mexri protinos (5-6 xronia) yphrxe h anaqesh twn dhmosiwn ergwn me diagwnismo, bebaiws, me to kaqestws twn ekptwsewn. Opoios edine th megalyterh ekptwsh, epairne to ergo. Ayto eixe ws apotelesma na ginontai ekptwseis peran ths pragmatikothtas, dioti ta erga phgainan synhqws sto meiodoth kai meta eixame poly megales yperbaseis kai anaqewrhseis twn symbasewn. Einai xarakthristiko oti me th meqodo ekeinh, kata meso oro oi yperbaseis sta dhmosia erga efqanan to 50%. Dhladh, ena ergo to opoio prokhryssotan, gia paradeigma, me 100 draxmes, ginotan me 150 kai katalabainete ta megeqh me ayto to pososto. Me to neo systhma toy ``maqhmatikoy typoy'' antikeimenikopoihqhkan ta krithria, efyge teleiws to ypokeimeniko stoixeio apo thn krish twn epitropwn kai ws apotelesma ayths ths parembashs, mesa se liga xronia, o antistoixos mesos oros twn yperbasewn -kaneis bebaiws den qelei tis yperbaseis, alla yparxoyn mia seira stoixeia poy dikaiologoyn tis epimeroys yperbaseis poy eixan ginei, gia paradeigma, gia logoys prostasias toy periballontos h gia peraiterw draseis poy krinontai aparaithtes, antiplhmmyrika k.a.- meiwqhke sto 20-21% mesa se merika xronia. Dhladh, yphrje ena 29-30% pososto beltiwshs toy meizonos aytoy problhmatos, ena pragmatika idiaitera megalo pososto, to opoio qa synexisoyme na to meiwnoyme. Den xreiazomaste kamia yperbash. Einai enas agwnas, ston opoio exoyme strateyqei. Qa eimaste eyxaristhmenoi, otan fqasoyme to sxetiko pososto sto mhden. Alla, hdh, mesa se elaxista xronia exei epiteyxqei mia poly megalh beltiwsh poy apodeiknyei to idiaitero baros poy exoyme dwsei sta qemata ths diafaneias kai toy periorismoy toy kostoys sta dhmosia erga. Kai ayto kaneis den mporei na to amfisbhthsei. Pareqesa sygkekrimena ariqmhtika stoixeia.

@Triton, oi sygxwneyseis. Fysika gia na ferei kapoios se peras toso megala dhmosia erga, xreiazetai na yparxoyn kai megales etaireies, oi opoies qa ta analaboyn. Ayto ginetai se olh thn Eyrwph, oxi mono sth xwra mas. Qa sas pw xarakthristika oti oi neoi organismoi, oi nees etaireies poy dhmioyrghqhkan apo sygxwneyseis, me bash to nomo, ton opoio kathrtise to YPEXWDE, einai perissoteres apo ekeines poy leitoyrgoyn se poly megalyteres se plhqysmo kai ektash xwres, opws einai h Germania, h Gallia kai alles. Dhladh, edw oi etaireies poy exoyn to anwtato "ptyxio" h omiloi poy exoyn to anwtato "ptyxio" gia na mporoyn na paroyn megala dhmosia erga, einai perissoteres se ariqmo apo ekeino poy yparxei se poly pio megales, me ektash kai plhqysmo, xwres.

@Tetarton, exoyn anaptyxqei idiaitera apotelesmatikoi mhxanismoi elegxoy. Pote den mporei kaneis na einai eyxaristhmenos, oso yparxoyn problhmata, alla oi mhxanismoi anaptyssontai kai olo kai perissotero qa kanoyn kalytera th doyleia toys. Einai xarakthristiko oti exei dhmioyrghqei to Swma twn Epiqewrhtwn Dhmosiwn Ergwn, to opoio malista me th nea nomoqesia ypagetai sthn Arxh, ths opoias topoqethqhke Proedros o k. K. Dafermos. Kai bebaiws, yparxoyn kai oi armodies Dhmosies Yphresies, poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei apo to YPEXWDE, oi opoies kaqhmerina parakoloyqoyn ta erga, me apotelesma na yparxei sobaros periorismos twn kakotexniwn kai na exoyn epiblhqei para polla prostima kai poines idiaitera ta teleytaia xronia, se baros twn ergolabwn poy den kanoyn kala th doyleia toys.

@Pempto kai teleytaio to zhthma ths poiothtas twn ergwn. Ayto twra exei meiwqei sto elaxisto, dioti exei ayjhqei poly h poiothta twn ergwn, exoyn perioristei shmantika oi kakotexnies sto systhma paragwghs dhmosiwn ergwn kai exoyme kai se ayton ton tomea idiaitera qetika apotelesmata.

Me ola ayta qelw na pw oti h kybernhsh kataballei mia poly megalh prospaqeia ston tomea ths diafaneias kai ths apotelesmatikothtas. Mas endiaferei na ginoyn ta dhmosia erga, na proxwrhsei h anaptyjh ths xwras. H xwra allazei morfh, dieyrynontai oi dynatothtes gia anaptyjh, ependyseis kai apasxolhsh kai ola ayta pantote me ta xarakthristika ths diafaneias kai ths apotelesmatikothtas. Einai safes oti ekeinoi poy kaqe fora -kai ennow bebaiws to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs- epixeiroyn na rijoyn skies -kata ton opoiodhpote tropo, synhqws me dhlwseis stelexwn toys, ligo prin apo ta egkainia kapoiwn dhmosiwn ergwn, gnwrizete poly kala oti exoyme shmera thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Patra, alla epontai kai ta egkainia ths Attikhs odoy kai polla alla erga sth synexeia- den petyxainoyn tipota allo, para na dhmioyrghsoyn ena qema, to opoio den bohqa oyte thn Ellada, oyte toys polites. Ayta, ws eisagwgikh parembash.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean o Prwqypoyrgos h opoiodhpote allo melos ths kybernhshs exei ginei koinwnos aithmatos epixeirhmatiwn h allwn Ellhnwn politwn, oi opoioi qa hqelan na toys synanthsoyn gia na toys anakoinwsoyn, kata thn krish toys, stoixeia sxetika me ayth thn peribohth ypoqesh twn ekbiasmwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw enhmerwsh gia kati tetoio.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean ta stoixeia poy edwsan oi ergolaboi ths Attikhs Odoy, se prosfath synenteyjh toys thn perasmenh ebdomada, symfwnoyn me toys ypologismoys poy twra mas dwsate gia tis yperbaseis. Milhsan gia ena tris apo to arxiko poso.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws sas exw pei, mhn ypologizete, se ayto to poso, tis apallotriwseis. Einai kati teleiws diaforetiko. Den gnwrizw ti stoixeia edwsan oi ergolaboi stis synenteyjeis toys. Me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas, qa hqela na sas pw oti osa sas anakoinwsa, qa analyqoyn apo thn ypoyrgo PEXWDE Basw Papandreoy, se synenteyjh Typoy, thn Pempth.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Sxetika me toys epiqewrhtes dhmosiwn ergwn stoys opoioys anaferqhkate, prosfates kataggelies poy eginan sto radiofwniko staqmo SKAI, aneferan oti ariqmei ayto to Swma peripoy to 1/5 toy synolikoy ariqmoy poy qa eprepe na ariqmei, oi perissoteroi ek twn opoiwn einai syntajioyxoi. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw stoixeia oti oi perissoteroi apo aytoys einai syntajioyxoi. To Swma ayto dhmioyrghqhke apo th dikh mas kybernhsh, leitoyrgei kanonika kai bebaiws gia na anabaqmistei h peraiterw leitoyrgia toy to entajame sto genikotero Swma twn Epiqewrhtwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs, to opoio qa leitoyrghsei ypo thn kaqodhghsh ths neas hgesias poy prosfata apekthse kai ennow ton k. Dafermo.

NIKOLAKAKHS: H ypoqesh brisketai sta xeria twn eisaggelikwn arxwn kai h kybernhsh den empleketai epoydeni me ayth thn ypoqesh, opws lete. Wstoso, to Sabbato o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke me ton k. Q. Aggelopoylo kai malista, meta apo ayth th synanthsh, yphrxe kai dhlwsh h aitiologhsh ths synanthshs, sthn opoia yphrxe kai krish gia th syneisfora toy k. Aggelopoyloy sth dialeykansh ths ypoqeshs. Ayto den synista emplokh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati, topoqethqhke kaneis sthn oysia; Oxi, bebaia.

NIKOLAKAKHS: Filojenhsan dhlwsh ola ta MME.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ta MME, opws gnwrizete, filojenhsan mia anafora poy egine apo kybernhtikoys kykloys -kai thn opoia epibebaiwnoyme- oti o Prwqypoyrgos ektima idiaitera th symbolh ths oikogeneias Aggelopoyloy sthn prospaqeia ejarqrwshs ths tromokratias, alla kai apokalychs kai allwn paranomwn kyklwmatwn, ta opoia oi idioi kathggeilan. Opws gnwrizete, o k. Aggelopoylos edwse kapoia stoixeia kai gia thn ereyna kata ths tromokratias kai gia th genikoterh ereyna paranomwn drasthriothtwn. Ayto einai mia syneisfora, mia symbolh. Qewrw oti einai qetiko na anagnwrizeis oti kapoios exei symballei se ayto qetika. Ayto qa ginotan gia opoiondhpote symballei sthn apokalych paranomwn prajewn.

NIKOLAKAKHS: Peran toy shmeiwmatos, otan yparxei ajiologhsh ths syneisforas, o Prwqypoyrgos diaqetei kapoia epipleon stoixeia ta opoia den gnwrizei h koinh gnwmh; Ti ajiologei o Prwqypoyrgos ws qetiko;

PRWTOPAPAS: Hmoyn poly safhs. Otan erxetai kapoios kai dinei kapoia stoixeia, ta opoia den yphrxan, prospaqei na symballei -den ta ajiologhsa egw, oyte kaneis allos ta stoixeia- kai sthn prospaqeia ejarqrwshs ths tromokratias, alla kai sthn apokalych allwn paranomwn drasthriothtwn. Ayth einai mia kinhsh poy tygxanei ths ektimhshs mas. Ayto apanthsame, ws kybernhsh, se sxetika erwthmata poy teqhkan. Pisteyw oti opoiosdhpote symballei sthn antimetwpish tetoiwn paranomwn drasthriothtwn, prepei na exei toylaxiston mia hqikh anagnwrish gia thn prospaqeia poy kanei, anejarthta apo to pws h Dikaiosynh qa thn ajiologhsei kai ti apofaseis qa labei, meta thn ereyna ths.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: An opoiosdhpote Ellhnas poliths eixe sth diaqesh toy ena stoixeio analoghs sobarothtas me to idioxeiro shmeiwma Aggelopoyloy, qa eixe thn eyxereia ths epiloghs gia to poy na to kataqesei; Dhladh, ston Prwqypoyrgo h tis eisaggelikes arxes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto einai to problhma; Qa milhsoyme oysiastika kapote; Dioti, telika ayta ta qewrw diadikastika kai aney endiaferontos. To pragmatiko endiaferon -kai sas parakalw na pame sthn oysia- einai oti, otan kapoios kataqetei stoixeia, ta opoia -kata th gnwmh toy- mporei na bohqhsoyn thn ereyna kata ths tromokratias kai thn apokalych allwn paranomwn drasthriothtwn, kanei mia shmantika qetikh prajh poy ofeiloyme na thn anagnwrisoyme. As exoyme to qarros, epiteloys, ta aytonohta, sthn Ellada, na ta anagnwrizoyme.

KARGOYDH: Me aformh thn ypoqesh twn ekbiasmwn, diaforoi paragontes toy dhmosioy bioy, ths N.D., alla kai toy dikoy sas kommatos -parakoloyqhsa kapoia apospasmata dhlwsewn toy k. Papaqemelh sth Qessalonikh- genikeyoyn kai qewroyn oti yparxei ena epipedo diafqoras poly megalo sto dhmosio bio ths Elladas. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ejartatai apo to ti exei pei o kaqenas. Pisteyw oti den prepei na aqroizoyme anqrwpoys poy exoyn pei diaforetika pragmata. Ayto poy qelw na sas pw egw einai oti ston tomea ths diaxeirishs toy dhmosioy xrhmatos kai twn dhmosiwn symbasewn, oi prospaqeies poy exei kanei h kybernhsh einai poly shmantikes kai exoyn odhghsei se qetikotata apotelesmata, oson afora th diafaneia. Anaferqhka stoys elegxoys toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy, sthn enisxysh twn mhxanismwn, sto "maqhmatiko typo" gia ta dhmosia erga kai se mia seira alla qemata opoy den exoyn na kanoyn me ta dhmosia erga, alla genikotera me tis dhmosies symbaseis. Opws, epishs, anaferqhka kai sthn chfish kai efarmogh toy nomoy gia to asymbibasto. An me rwtate, twra, an yparxoyn mesa sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh esties poy parathreitai diafqora, pisteyw oti oloi to exoyme paradexqei kai exoyme pei ti qa kanoyme gia na to antimetwpisoyme. Gnwrizete oti o k. Petsalnikos exei synergastei me toys dikastikoys leitoyrgoys, kaqws kai tis dhlwseis toy k. Kroystallakh pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Gnwrizete oti yparxei seira nomwn, oi opoioi exoyn enisxysei tis parembaseis mas ston tomea ths patajhs ths diafqoras sto Dhmosio kai oti exei dhmioyrghqei kai eidiko Swma Epiqewrhtwn, prokeimenoy na apotelesei enan akomh isxyro mhxanismo pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Ara, loipon, yparxei agwnas gia thn patajh ths diafqoras ston opoio kaloyntai oloi na symmetasxoyn qetika. Einai ena qema poy afora olh thn koinwnia mas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pws apantate ston k. Arsenh, o opoios milaei gia problhma leitoyrgias ths dhmokratias, anaforika me th diaplokh kai ta peri ekbiasmwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh apanthsei me th seira twn topoqethsewn moy.

IWANNOY: Eipate prohgoymenws oti o Prwqypoyrgos anagnwrise sthn kinhsh toy k. Aggelopoyloy th syneisfora toy sthn ejarqrwsh ths tromokratias kai twn kyklwmatwn@

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn paroxh stoixeiwn, ta opoia kata th gnwmh ths oikogeneias Aggelopoyloy qa mporoysan na symbaloyn.

IWANNOY: Qelw aplws na rwthsw, den einai ypoxrewsh kaqe polith poy gnwrizei kati na to dwsei sth Dikaiosynh kai oxi ston Prwqypoyrgo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pali "diadikastikologeite" kai ayth h "diadikastikologia" den einai xrhsimh s` aytes tis periptwseis. To xrhsimo einai to apotelesma. Yphrxe ena stoixeio to opoio den eixe doqei sth dhmosiothta kai to opoio doqhke kai xrhsimopoihqhke stis ereynes gia thn antimetwpish ths tromokratias. Sto baqmo poy xrhsimopoihqhke kai ton opoio den gnwrizw kai den mporw, bebaiws, na gnwrizw. Omoiws, to stoixeio ayto xrhsimopoieitai kai gia thn apokalych allwn paromoiwn drasthriothtwn. Ayto einai h oxi qetiko; Egw qa apantoysa eyqews pws einai qetiko. Ayth einai h fysiologikh apanthsh poy mporei na dwsei o kaqenas mas. Ta ypoloipa einai "diadikastikologies".

IWANNOY: Den einai diadikastiko. Opoios exei kapoia stoixeia sta xeria toy den prepei na ta dwsei sth Dikaiosynh; An ta eixe apokrycei, qa htan kati allo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Paradoqhkan sth Dikaiosynh kai to gnwrizete. Efqasan amesws sta xeria ths Dikaiosynhs, toylaxiston oson afora thn kybernhsh. Kai sas anefera -kalws h kakws- kai to onoma toy eisaggelea poy ta parelabe. Alla anefera kai to onoma gia na enisxysw ayth thn eikona, oti ws kybernhsh den eixame tipota na krycoyme apo kanenan.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: O xronos paradoshs den paizei kanena rolo sthn poreia twn ereynwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: O eisaggeleas ta parelabe sxedon taytoxrona me thn kybernhsh, me diafora kapoiwn wrwn. O Prwqypoyrgos ta paredwse ston armodio ypoyrgo kai o ypoyrgos ston k. Diwth. To exw pei ayto, toylaxiston, pente fores mexri twra. Den katalabainw ti prospaqoyme na broyme. Prospaqoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme qema ekei poy den yparxei; Mporei na ejyphretei diafores skopimothtes, alla den ejyphretei thn oysia toy zhthmatos.

Qa moy epitrecete na kanw mia anafora se orismenes aitiaseis, oi opoies egeirontai gyrw apo to qema ths eyrwpaikhs poreias ths Toyrkias. Kat` arxas, qelw na jekaqarisw oti ayth h anafora moy den exei xarakthra apanthshs se kanena, dioti sebomaste oles tis apoceis. Einai mia anafora oysias, dioti yparxoyn arketoi, toys opoioys sebomaste apolyta, oi opoioi anaptyssoyn -kai blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas tetoies apoceis ston Typo, alla kai sta hlektronika MME- antiqetes apoceis. Kai epeidh ayto ginetai kai egine idiaitera to teleytaio diasthma, ekrina skopimo na kanw anafora sto qema.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Poy anafereste; Ston Arxiepiskopo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anaferomai se polles apoceis poy diatypwqhkan apo arketoys, dioti yphrjan dhlwseis kai thn Kyriakh, dhmosieythkan kai arqra, yparxoyn kai anafores jenwn politikwn paragontwn poy dhmosiopoihqhkan. Qelw, loipon, na jekaqarisw kati: Sebomaste oles tis apoceis kai ayth thn apoch kai den exoyme kamia diaqesh antidikias. Epi ths oysias qa milhsoyme. Sebomaste tis apoceis twn stelexwn mas kai twn Eyrwpaiwn politikwn paragontwn, oi opoioi ejefrasan mia tetoia apoch kata ths eyrwpaikhs poreias ths Toyrkias, opws kai thn apoch toy Makariotatoy Arxiepiskopoy, o opoios thn ejefrase me thn eykairia kapoias allhs anaforas. Qelw na qymisw th qesh mas epi ths oysias: H geitonikh xwra einai mia megalh xwra, me dekades ekatommyriwn katoikwn. Kapoioi lene oti piqanon mesa se merika xronia na eggizei ena pragmati poly megalo ariqmo, peripoy 100 ekatommyria katoikwn. Einai, omws, mia xwra me megala eswterika problhmata kai antifaseis kai arketes astaqeies. To zhthma poy tiqetai einai, ti qeloyme emeis, ti einai kalytero gia thn perioxh, ti einai kalytero gia thn Ellada. Pisteyw oti to kalytero einai na exeis mia geitona megalh xwra, h opoia na leitoyrgei me ta eyrwpaika dedomena, na sebetai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata, na leitoyrgei ws eyrwpaiko kratos. An to exeis ayto, mporeis tote na milas gia genikoteres synqhkes eirhnhs, asfaleias, staqerothtas, anaptyjhs sthn perioxh. Mporeis na milas gia meiwsh twn ejoplismwn, gia perissoteroys poroys gia koinwnikh politikh, gia perissoteres ependyseis kai nees qeseis ergasias. Ara, h Ellada exei kaqe symferon na enisxysei ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo ths Toyrkias kai oxi monon ayto. Na "enisxysei", ypo thn hqikh bebaia kai politikh ennoia, kai oles ekeines tis dynameis sto eswteriko ths Toyrkias, oi opoies oramatizontai h diakhryssoyn thn anagkh toy eyrwpaikoy prosanatolismoy ths Toyrkias.

Pisteyw oti kai h E.E. -anejarthta apo tis diaforetikes apoceis poy yparxoyn- arxizei na einai sthn idia kateyqynsh kai ayto apodeiknyetai apo to gegonos, oti para toys problhmatismoys poy diatypwqhkan sthn teleytaia Synodo Koryfhs ths Kopegxaghs, yphrje antikeimenika mia epitaxynsh sthn enarjh twn diapragmateysewn. Anagnwrizetai, dhladh, h anagkh na doqoyn eykairies sthn Toyrkia gia ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo ths. To erwthma einai, qa ajiopoihsei h Toyrkia aytes tis eykairies; Qa kanei bhmata stoys tomeis ths eirhnhs, ths asfaleias, ths staqerothtas, ths epilyshs toy Kypriakoy, twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, wste na enisxysei ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo ths; Ayto einai agnwsto kai abebaio. Afora, omws, thn Toyrkia. Den afora emas. Emeis qa exoyme prajei ayto poy einai swsto, ayto poy apaitei to symferon ths xwras, ths koinwnias mas, genikotera to symferon ths Eyrwphs. An h Toyrkia prajei kati diaforetiko kai den mporei na proxwrhsei pros thn E.E., ayto einai se baros ths kai twn dynamewn poy qa exoyn epikrathsei kai qa exoyn epideijei adiallajia se ola ayta ta metwpa. Ayth einai h apoch ths kybernhshs kai xairomai epeidh apotelei kai apoch pollwn politikwn dynamewn, poy epideiknyoyn mia ypeyqynh stash se ayto, dhladh na eimaste yper ths eyrwpaikoy prosanatolismoy ths Toyrkias. Dioti ayto einai yper ths anaptyjhs kai staqerothtas, yper ths synergasias olwn twn lawn ths perioxhs, sth N.A. Eyrwph, yper ths meiwshs twn ejoplismwn, yper twn symferontwn toy laoy mas. Ayth einai h dikh mas qesh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Dhladh, an katalaba kala, mas eipate twra oti emeis qa yposthrizoyme thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias, estw kai an h Toyrkia epimenei na einai adiallakth sto Kypriako kai ta ellhnotoyrkika.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa oti qa yposthrizoyme ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo ths Toyrkias@

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Estw kai an ekeinh kanei o,ti kanei@

PRWTOPAPAS: @ws strathgikh epilogh. Ean xreiastei na antiparateqoyme -kai antiparatiqemeqa- se o,ti kanei h toyrkikh h toyrkokypriakh pleyra gia to Kypriako, bebaiws kai qa to kanoyme. Eipame ta pragmata me to onoma toys kai as analaboyn tis eyqynes toys. Kai otan lew eyqynes, ennow ypo thn ennoia ths topoqethshs kai ths parembashs kai mesa sthn Eyrwph kai toys dieqneis Organismoys. Den distazoyme na poyme ta pragmata me to onoma toys, oyte distazoyme na yphrethsoyme tis apoceis mas. Exoyme, omws, ws strathgikh epilogh, thn enisxysh toy eyrwpaikoy prosanatolismoy ths Toyrkias.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Afoy den qeloyn oi anqrwpoi@

PRWTOPAPAS: To "den qeloyn" h oxi einai mia katastash, h opoia krinetai. Ean epikrathsoyn oi dynameis poy "den qeloyn", analambanoyn kai thn eyqynh.

KOYROYNIS: Aytos o ekdhmokratismos, o sebasmos twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn apo thn Toyrkia mporei na ginei mono sto plaisio ths E.E.; Aparaithtws gia na einai mia xwra dhmokratikh kai na sebetai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata qa prepei nte kai kala na einai mono sthn Eyrwph;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Eipa oti o eyrwpaikos prosanatolismos proypoqetei ola ayta. Kai oi dynameis poy epiqymoyn thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias, epiqymoyn epomenws kai ola ayta. Epiqymoyn, dhladh, ton ekdhmokratismo kai to sebasmo twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, dioti alliws den noeitai eyrwpaikh poreia. Ara, gia to an qa prepei na enisxyqei - ayto htan to erwthma- h eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias, apanthsa eyqews nai. Dioti proypoqetei ola ta parapanw kai dhmioyrgei swstes synqhkes synergasias sthn perioxh. Apo ekei kai pera, an h Toyrkia den qelei thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths, alla qelei na sebetai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata, na prowqei ton ekdhmokratismo ths kai na sebetai toys geitones ths, makari na ginei etsi. Den exoyme kanena problhma.

Sas eyxaristw.


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