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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 17 Aprilioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTANTOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, poia einai h antidrash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs sthn epiqesh twn Israhlinwn sthn Tzenin; Pisteyete oti prokeitai gia sfagh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme, kat` epanalhch, anaferqei sta qemata ayta. Kaqe epiqesh poy ginetai odhgei se anaparagwgh toy kykloy ths bias kai toy aimatos. Exoyme katadikasei aytes tis epiqeseis kai exoyme zhthsei thn amesh efarmogh twn apofasewn toy OHE kai thn enarjh diadikasiwn gia thn oristikh epilysh toy problhmatos sthn perioxh me thn anakhryjh anejarthtoy palaistiniakoy kratoys. Einai gnwstes oi ellhnikes prwtoboylies se ayth thn kateyqynsh, toso me to mhnyma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oso kai me tis kinhseis toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy. Epitrecte moy, me thn eykairia, na sas pw oti yphrje nea epikoinwnia toy k. Papandreoy me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn toy Israhl. Akomh den exei ginei o diakanonismos ths koinhs episkechs me ton k. Tzem. Einai ena qema, omws, poy den exei kleisei, para tis dyskolies poy einai emfaneis.

FILHS: Paremferhs erwthsh: Sth dejiwsh poy paraqetei shmera o Israhlinos presbeyths sthn Aqhna gia thn epeteio ths idryshs toy kratoys toy Israhl, poios qa ekproswphsei thn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn kybernhsh qa ekproswphsei o Genikos Grammateas toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn G. Kwnstantinidhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O diakanonismos ayths ths episkechs perilambanei synanthsh me ton k. Arafat;

PRWTOPAPAS: H episkech toy k. Papandreoy kai toy k. Tzem exei ws stoxo na ginei synanthsh kai me thn israhlinh kai me thn palaistiniakh pleyra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prepei na pane mazi; Monos toy den mporei na paei o k. Papandreoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete ton enisxymeno symbolismo ayths ths episkechs, otan einai mazi Ellada-Toyrkia. Einai dyo xwres poy kata kairoys eixan megales diafores -kai polemikes sygkroyseis- dyo xwres omws poy exoyn apodeijei oti ektos apo thn odo ths sygkroyshs kai toy polemoy, yparxei kai h odos ths eirhnhs kai ths synennohshs. To paradeigma ayto mporei na ajiopoihqei kai symbolika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mporei h Ellada na exei dikh ths prwtoboylia;

PRWTOPAPAS: H Ellada exei analabei polles prwtoboylies mexri twra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To apotelesma twn opoiwn poio htan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti ayth th stigmh apetyxe h sxedon apetyxe -eyxomai na mhn ginei ayto telika, alla sxedon exei apotyxei- akomh kai h episkech toy Amerikanoy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn.

KOYIN: Shmera erxetai o lordos Rompertson kai qa synanthqei ayrio me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qa syzhthqei to qema toy eyrwstratoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti sxetikh syzhthsh egine xqes me ton k. Papandreoy kai ton Ispano ekproswpo ths Eyrwpaikhs Proedrias k. Pike kai me thn paroysia toy k. Solana. H xqesinh syzhthsh den katelhje se apotelesma. Yphrje mia sqenarh ellhnikh stash. Ejhghsame giati ayto to problhma den einai se kamia periptwsh diafora Elladas-Toyrkias, alla einai diafora metajy E.E. kai tritwn xwrwn, gyrw apo tis apofaseis kai thn anaptyjh ths dynamhs taxeias parembashs ths E.E. Xqes, den yphrje apotelesma. Makari, stis nees synanthseis, na yparjei diaforetiko pneyma. Emeis, pantws, to keimeno ths Agkyras na to apodexqoyme ws exei, apokleietai. Den qa to kanoyme.

POYLIDOY: Na parameinoyme sthn ejwterikh politikh. Se dhmosieyma twn "Newn" shmera anaferetai oti oi Amerikanoi probainoyn se diabhma sthn Ellada, prokeimenoy na aposyroyme dyo elikoptera poy exoyme egkatasthsei sthn Kypro, ta opoia emeis onomazoyme "diaswshs", enw oi Amerikanoi ta qewroyn epiqetika kai ara qewroyn oti empiptoyn sto empargko. Epibebaiwnete ayth thn plhroforia h ti mellei genesqai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema.

BITALHS: Den yparxei qema me ta elikoptera h den exei ginei diabhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai ta dyo. Den yparxei tetoio qema, opws plhroforhqhka apo to Epiteleio.

POYLIDOY: Den exei ginei diabhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyme, ayth th stigmh, oyte kapoio diabhma, oyte exoyme egkatasthsei elikoptera alloy, me thn ennoia toy "egkatasthsei".

POYLIDOY: Exoyme diaqesei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Den exoyme egkatasthsei alloy elikoptera, se kamia periptwsh. Twra, den gnwrizw, ean xreiasthke se kapoia stigmh na yparjei mia apostolh diaswshs h bohqeias. Den exoyme, omws, egkatasthsei elikoptera kai den yparxei diabhma.

KWNSTANTHS: Einai eyxaristhmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn epikoinwniakh politikh, giati akoysame xqes dyo koryfaia stelexh, thn k. Basw Papandreoy na leei oti den eimaste kai oi kalyteroi sthn epikoinwniakh politikh kai ligo argotera ton k. Laliwth na zhta eniaio kentro epikoinwnias kai na kalei ola ta stelexh na symbaloyn sthn epikoinwniakh politikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yphrje xqes mia syzhthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me to Grammatea toy Kommatos K. Laliwth, poy htan mia apo tis taktikes syzhthseis poy ginontai anamesa ston Proedro kai to Grammatea toy Kommatos. Syzhtoyn ola ta qemata ths epikairothtas kai bebaiws, ta politika zhthmata poy yparxoyn. Opws dhlwse o k. Laliwths, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, symfwnhqhke o syntonismos ths epikoinwniakhs kai politikhs strathgikhs mas. Ayto pisteyw oti einai ena qema poy eykola mporei na antilhfqei kaneis. Einai idiaitera qetiko. Einai gnwsto oti anazhtoysame kai anazhtoyme pantote tropoys, wste na beltiwnoyme ta zhthmata toy sxediasmoy mas kai ston epikoinwniako kai ton politiko tomea. Gia to logo ayto, qa yparjei thn Trith mia synedriash sto Megaro Majimoy, sthn opoia qa metasxoyn kai ekproswpoi toy kommatos kai eidikotera o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK K. Laliwths, o armodios Grammateas Epikoinwnias toy PASOK N. Aqanasakhs kai to melos toy E.G M. Neonakhs. Qa metasxoyn o ypoyrgos kai o yfypoyrgos Typoy kai MME , kaqws kai symboyloi toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o epikefalhs toy strathgikoy sxediasmoy N. Qemelhs kai o epikefalhs toy grafeioy Typoy G. Pantagias. Qelw na sas pw oti ayto to ad hoc epiteleio, opoy syzhtoyntai zhthmata sxediasmoy kai epikoinwnias, exei synedriasei hdh dyo fores, mexri twra, sth Xarilaoy Trikoyph. Qa synedriasei kai sto Megaro Majimoy, thn Trith. H arxikh ayth synedriash qa ginei me ayth th synqesh. Ean, omws, ektima o Prwqypoyrgos, se alles synanthseis qa kaloyntai kai alloi ypoyrgoi h stelexh toy kommatos, analoga me thn periptwsh kai to qema.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Se ayth thn Epitroph, katalabainw oti qa einai atyph kai oti qa synedriazei ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ad hoc, ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo, bebaiws, alla mporei na synedriasei, ean yparxoyn qemata kai kata periptwsh. Sas lew oti hdh exoyn ginei dyo synedriaseis, xwris ton Prwqypoyrgo.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Ara, na katalabw oti amesws meta ton Prwqypoyrgo, thn eyqynh qa exei o Grammateas toy PASOK se ayth thn Epitroph;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oles aytes oi epitropes poy einai atypes, dioti den apoteloyn oyte kybernhtika, oyte kommatika organa -kai ayto qelw na to katasthsw safes- sygkrotoyntai kai leitoyrgoyn me thn eyqynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy toy PASOK.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mia dieykrinish: Stis syskeceis poy eginan sth Xarilaoy Trikoyph, meteixe kai o k. Pantagias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, se mia syskech. Ayto den einai kati kainoyrgio. Merikes fores epixeiroyme na dinoyme dramatikoys tonoys. Einai mia anagkaiothta poy prokyptei. Xreiazetai, opws poly swsta tonise o k. Laliwths, enas syntonismos ths epikoinwniakhs politikhs mas, toy sxediasmoy mas kai ston politiko tomea. Milhse, xqes, gia ton eniaio sxediasmo kai syntonismo ths epikoinwniakhs kai politikhs strathgikhs mas. Hdh, eixan ginei ta prwta bhmata. O Prwqypoyrgos kai me thn idiothta toy Proedroy toy PASOK bebaiws, qa sygkalesei kai mia synedriash, ypo thn proedria toy, thn Trith, gia na prosdioristoyn mia seira qemata poy syndeontai me th leitoyrgia ayths ths ad hoc epitrophs. Bebaiws, me apofash toy, mporei kata periptwsh, analoga kai me ta qemata, na symmetexoyn kai alloi ypoyrgoi kai alla stelexh toy Kinhmatos. Ayto qa einai sth diakritikh eyxereia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy toy PASOK, ypo thn eyqynh toy opoioy leitoyrgoyn oi sxetikes epitropes.

ANTYPAS: Ayth h atyph omada anqrwpwn, h opoia qa leitoyrgei ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo, qa exei ws apokleistiko antikeimeno th drasthriothta toy Prwqypoyrgoy h qa apofasizei gia to pws qa ginetai, gia paradeigma, h forologikh metarryqmish;

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn apofash gia th forologikh metarryqmish thn lambanoyn ta kybernhtika organa. Yparxei Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, poy se kamia periptwsh den ypokaqistantai. Ayto einai safestato. Tis apofaseis gia thn kybernhsh tis lambanoyn ta kybernhtika organa, ta opoia synedriazoyn ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Tis apofaseis gia thn poreia toy kommatos tis lambanei to Ektelestiko Grafeio, poy synedriazei ypo thn proedria toy Proedroy toy Kinhmatos. Exei ayjhmenh eyqynh, epiteliko kai kaqodhghtiko rolo o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs Kwstas Laliwths. Den lambanontai apofaseis apo atypes epitropes. Syntonizontai kinhseis epikoinwniakoy xarakthra, beltiwnetai o politikos sxediasmos mas. Epiteleitai ena ergo sxediasmoy kai kalyterhs anadeijhs toy ergoy mas, twn politikwn kinhsewn mas.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Efoson lete oti tis apofaseis gia to forologiko tis lambanei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias@

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa ta kybernhtika organa. Tetoies shmantikes apofaseis den tis lambanei mono ena ypoyrgeio.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Efoson tis apofaseis gia thn kybernhsh tis lambanoyn ta kybernhtika organa kai gia to komma to Ektelestiko Grafeio, poia htan h anagkh na dhmioyrghqei ayth h atyph, as poyme, omada; Poia htan ayth h anagkaiothta, pws proekyce;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei prokycei para polles fores kai gi` ayto mas exei apasxolhsei. To exoyme syzhthsei polles fores kai me ton Kwsta Laliwth. Na sas pw giati; Giati, peran twn apofasewn, erxetai h stigmh ths epikoinwnias, h stigmh toy sxediasmoy. Erxontai oi epiloges twn kinhsewn poy qa ginoyn. Den einai mono oti lhfqhke mia apofash. Prepei na anadeixqei kai na ginei katanohth apo to lao, prepei na syzhthqei me koinwnikoys foreis kai omades, prepei na syzhthqei me kommatika stelexh kai ekproswpoys forewn, prepei na organwqei se o,ti afora thn epikoinwnia ths, to dialogo poy xreiazetai kai bebaiws prepei na enisxyqei me th strateysh stelexwn kai thn anadeijh toy pragmatikoy periexomenoy ths. Yparxoyn, epomenws, mia seira apo zhthmata politikoy sxediasmoy kai epikoinwnias poy sxetizontai me thn kalyterh anadeijh kai prowqhsh toy ergoy mas. Aytos einai o stoxos: H kalyterh anadeijh kai prowqhsh toy ergoy mas. Pisteyw oti einai poly swsto kai exei janaginei sto parelqon.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Twra jerete ti moy lete; Moy lete oti den mporeite na synennohqeite eseis, o k. Laliwths kai endexomenws kai merika alla stelexh kai pate se omada ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mporoyme na synennohqoyme para poly kala, eidika me ton Kwsta Laliwth, alla kai me ta alla stelexh. Protimoyme, omws, na kaqierwsoyme mia taktikh synanthsh, para na ginontai oi synennohseis apo to thlefwno ad hoc. Einai para poly aplo. Protimoyme na synantiomaste, se takta xronika diasthmata, kai na antallassoyme apoceis, para na milame dia toy thlefwnoy kaqe fora poy to programma toy kaqenos epitrepei. Einai kalytero, leitoyrgikotero kai poly apodotikotero. Kata th gnwmh moy qa symbalei shmantika, qa lysei problhmata kai qa bohqhsei sto syntonismo ths epikoinwniakhs politikhs kai toy politikoy sxediasmoy mas, opws akribws anefere xqes o Grammateas toy kommatos Kwstas Laliwths.

GARGALAKOS: O prwinos kafes qa synexisei na leitoyrgei;

PRWTOPAPAS: O prwinos kafes den afora zhthmata politikoy sxediasmoy, alla to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai mono.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sas akoysame polles fores na anafereste qetika stis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Laliwth, kyriws omws anaferqhkate sthn ekfrash toy "peri eniaias drashs". Giati; Yphrxe kapoio problhma; Den htan eniaia mexri twra; O politikos sxediasmos gia th xarajh ths epikoinwniakhs politikhs den htan eniaios; Poia h anagkh ths epishmanshs toy k. Laliwth kai deyteron ths dikhs sas anaforas poy thn tonizete malista.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mia kybernhsh poy epitelei ena terastio ergo kai ena komma poy leitoyrgei kai paragei ena terastio ergo epishs, idiaitera enocei twn dhmotikwn kai nomarxiakwn eklogwn, einai logiko kapoies stigmes na emfanizoyn kapoia problhmata se zhthmata epikoinwnias, se zhthmata sxediasmoy. Ayto den einai kako. Ayta ta zhthmata mporoyme kallista na ta antimetwpisoyme kai na ta lysoyme me ayton ton tropo. Den nomizw oti apotelei kai koryfaio gegonos;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Eixame tetoia problhmata teleytaia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kata kairoys, panta anafyontai tetoia problhmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ton Koyloyrh@

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Koyloyrhs einai eklektos syntrofos, synagwnisths kai synadelfos sth B@ Aqhnwn.

IWANNOY: Oi kommatikoi antipaloi sas , oysiastika, xarakthrizoyn aytes tis kinhseis, toso th xqesinh ``epistrateysh'' toy k. Laliwth, poy qymizei etsi kapoia pio sobarh periodo kybernhtikhs krishs, toylaxiston etsi elegan oi kommatikoi antipaloi sas kai xarakthrizoyn toso ayth thn kinhsh, oso kai thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy ws spasmwdikes kinhseis, apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs. Pws to sxoliazete;

PRWTOPAPAS: An o k. Karamanlhs, o opoios to mono poy deixnei einai ``h politikh ths katsaridas'', tis xarakthrizei epikoinwniakes kinhseis, tote ti na sxoliasw; Einai kaqaro, oti h N.D. den einai se qesh na paragei sobaro politiko sxediasmo. Sthrizei thn politikh ths sthn "politikh ths katsaridas". Prospaqei na brei aformh gia na dhmioyrghsei politiko qema. Emeis ofeiloyme na doyleyoyme. Omws, otan se ena komma -kai malista ena komma poy diekdikei thn ejoysia- exei meinei na kanei monon ayto, apodeiknyetai h pragmatikh ftwxeia toy, h adynamia kai h mizeria toy. Ayth einai h apanthsh mas stis kathgories poy ejapelyse o Proedros ths N.D.

IWANNOY: Ti egine me thn ypoqesh toy k. Kakaloy; Eidame oti ``nayaghse'' h prospaqeia toy PASOK na ton prosetairistei. O idios ebgale mia anakoinwsh poy dieykrinizei oti telika den qa einai oyte me to PASOK, oyte me th N.D. Ti den phge kala stis metajy sas diapragmateyseis;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den parakoloyqhsa to qema toy k. Kakaloy.

FILHS: Na pame twra se ena qema poy afora thn koinwnia, giati ola ayta einai oikogeneiaka sas qemata. Ayrio exoyme apergia. Sarantapente ergatika kentra kai trianta omospondies apergoyn gia to qema toy asfalistikoy kai shmera yparxoyn kapoia apergiaka proeortia me alla aithmata, oxi to asfalistiko. Qa qelame mia ektimhsh ths kybernhshs gi ayth thn koinwnikh antidrash sthn kybernhtikh politikh, sthn opoia antidrash symmetexoyn, toylaxiston se epipedo syndikatwn, kai koryfaia stelexh ths PASKE.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qelw na krinw antidraseis ergatikwn kentrwn kai swmateiwn. Einia gnwsto oti, oson afora eidika to asfalistiko, h politikh mas einai safhs. Einai mia politikh poy lynei to asfalistiko, ws prosfora ston polith kai oxi ws anagkaio kako. Einai gnwsto pws den yphrje antiqeth apofash apo to D.S. ths GSEE. Kapoia swmateia h kapoia ergatika kentra exoyn antiqeth apoch. Sthn Ellada exoyme dhmokratia kai oi syndikalistikes diekdikhseis einai eleyqeres. Emeis qa proxwrhsoyme sto dialogo gia to asfalistiko. Exoyme ejasfalisei th xrhmatodothsh toy gia ta epomena 30 xronia, exoyme ejasfalisei mia ygih lysh poy leitoyrgei yper twn symferontwn twn ergazomenwn kai twn syntajioyxwn. Fysika qa proxwrhsoyme gia na oloklhrwsoyme th metarryqmish me sxetikh nomoqesia.

FILHS: Lete oti oi qeseis ths kybernhshs einai jekaqares. Diabazoyme, omws, se efhmerides shmera, oti alla elege sthn arxh o k. Reppas, gia th syntajiodothsh twn gynaikwn, poy kaqhsyxaze oti den qa qigei to yfistameno kaqestws kai alla leei to analytiko keimeno toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias me tis protaseis poy exoyn dwsei oi syndikalistes. Dhladh, enw h yfistamenh nomoqesia mila gia 5.500 enshma, prokeimenoy na syntajiodothqoyn oi gynaikes, to keimeno poy edwse o k. Reppas, mila gia 6.000 enshma. Ti apo ola isxyei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayta ta epimeroys qemata....

FILHS: Epimeroys qemata, na doyleyoyn dyo kai tria xronia parapanw oi gynaikes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epimeroys qemata poy aforoyn to asfalistiko den exoyn kleisei. Eidika, oson afora tis gynaikes, yparxei proqesh sthn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn, na brei synainetika me th GSEE thn kalyterh dynath lysh. O dialogos den exei kleisei. Den yparxoyn telikes apofaseis. Synexizoyme to dialogo, qa antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata toy asfalistikoy kai me bash to dialogo me toys armodioys foreis kai th GSEE kai tis apofaseis mas gia th xrhmatodothsh toy systhmatos qa proxwrhsoyme se nomoqetiko keimeno. Ara, tetoia zhthmata, opws ayta poy epishmainete, qa anadeixqoyn mesa apo to dialogo, qa antimetwpistoyn kai qa proxwrhsoyn.

FILHS: O dialogos, bebaiws, exei mesa kai tis apergies. To jerete ws palaios syndikalisths. Ara, qewreite oti h ayrianh kinhtopoihsh einai meros toy dialogoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti den krinw tis syndikalistikes diekdikhseis. Kai ayto einai mia stash zwhs. Prepei na sebomaste tis diekdikhseis twn ergazomenwn. Den qa probaloyme metwpo mprosta stis syndikalistikes diekdikhseis.

FILHS: Yparxei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias gia stelexh ths K.E. toy PASOK, ean chfisoyn kati diaforetiko apo th grammh toy k. Polyzwgopoyloy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai grammh toy k. Polyzwgopoyloy, einai grammh ths paratajhs. Ej oswn gnwrizw -giati exw kai eidikh eyaisqhsia me to qema ayto- exei synedriasei o syndyasmos kai exoyn apofasisei monoi toys, xwris kommatikes parembaseis na krathsoyn th sygkekrimenh stash, thn opoia ekfrazei o k. Polyzwgopoylos. Qewrw oti einai mia stash, h opoia pragmatika syspeirwnei thn pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn. Apo kei kai pera, kanenas den protiqetai na parembei se zhthmata leitoyrgias twn syndikatwn kai se ergatikes diekdikhseis. Ean einai dynaton. Einai parelqon oi epoxes poy ginontoysan tetoies parembaseis.

FILHS: O k. Polyzwgopoylos sxoliazontas ek twn ysterwn thn prwtofanh kinhtikothta twn ergatikwn kentrwn yper ths apergias, eipe oti an gnwrize pws yparxei ayto to klima, isws na epairne ki aytos meros sthn apergia. Prooiwnizetai, mhpws, mia afypnish kai twn kommatikwn stelexwn ths PASKE sth GSEE;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apeyqynete lanqasmena thn erwthsh. Oi erwthseis poy aforoyn ton k. Polyzwgopoylo prepei na apeyqynontai ston idio.

FILHS: Ma, eniaio den einai to kentro; To kentro den einai eniaio telika;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Polyzwgopoylos exei kai tis gnwseis kai thn ikanothta. Einai Proedros ths GSEE kai me th genikoterh stash toy exei timhsei ayto to qesmo. Qa parakaloysa na mhn ton emplekoyme se kommatika zhthmata.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na mas peite ean qa ypogracete thn apofash toy ESR.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sthn ayrianh synanthsh mas qa yparjei sxetikh anakoinwsh.

FILHS: Qa thn ypogracete h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Na moy epitrecete na apanthsw ayrio kai na sas dwsw kai to sxetiko keimeno.

FILHS: Yparxei qema, dhladh; Ayto mas lete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epitrecte moy na kanw th doyleia moy opws krinw pio swsta. Thn hmera poy qa qesw thn ypografh moy qa yparjei kai sxetikh anakoinwsh. Exw apofasisei ayrio na kanw ayth thn anakoinwsh. Qelw na sas qymisw oti egine se xrono rekor. Oydepote sto parelqon eixame katalhjei mesa se mia ebdomada.

KONTOPOYLOS: Exei oloklhrwqei o elegxos nomimothtas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na diabasete ta sxetika praktika.

PALAIOLOGOS: Syzhthqhke, shmera, ean den kanw laqos, se mia Diypoyrgikh syskech to qema toy Eqnikoy Sxedioy Drashs gia thn Katapolemhsh ths Ftwxeias. Mporeite na moy peite, gia poio logo h kybernhsh aisqanetai twra, se enan tetoio timing, thn anagkh na ejaggeilei gia pollosth fora -an den kanw laqos, tetarth- to Eqniko Sxedio Drashs mesa se tria xronia; Mhpws kati den exei paei kala;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to ejhggeile. Parejhghsate thn ennoia ths shmerinhs synedriashs. H kybernhsh leitoyrgei. Den asxoleitai me diafora koytsompolia poy akoygontai apo dejia kai apo aristera. Yparxei to oloklhrwmeno, sygkrothmeno, sxediasmeno kybernhtiko ergo kai ayto ylopoioyme. Qelw na qymisw, gia paradeigma, oti shmera egine o elegxos efarmoghs kai oxi ejaggelia toy Eqnikoy Sxedioy Drashs gia thn Katapolemhsh toy Koinwnikoy Apokleismoy. To Sxedio ayto eixe katateqei perysi sthn E.E. Einai logiko na epiqymei o Prwqypoyrgos, me thn paroysia olwn twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn kai stelexwn, na ejetazei thn poreia ylopoihshs aytoy toy Sxedioy kai, an diapistwnei adynamies, na dinei odhgies, wste me epitaxynsh twn ryqmwn ergasias apo oloys mas, na kalyptontai oi tyxon adynamies. O Prwqypoyrgos hqele na ginei enas apologismos, enas elegxos gia epitaxynsh twn diadikasiwn pros th swsth kateyqynsh. Ayrio, qa exoyme thn eykairia sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, na syzhthsoyme gia ta qemata ths Oikonomias. Na diapistwsoyme to pragmatika spoydaio ergo poy ginetai ston tomea ths oikonomikhs politikhs, na epishmanoyme ta pleonekthmata kai ta tyxon meionekthmata, tis yperoxes kai ta problhmata poy paroysiazontai, na paroyme oloklhrwmenes apofaseis.

Thn epomenh Deytera, qa synedriasei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Qa ejetastei pali, sto synolo ths, h olympiakh proetoimasia.

Thn epomenh Trith, o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, opoy qa exete thn eykairia na enhmerwqeite kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, alla kai apo ton armodio ypoyrgo K. Skandalidh, gia to poly shmantiko ergo poy ginetai se mia seira apo tomeis, eite aytoi exoyn na kanoyn me ta idiaitera zhthmata ths Aytodioikhshs, eite me ta megala qemata toy polemoy, poy exoyme khryjei kata ths diafqoras kai ths anabaqmishs toy politikoy systhmatos mas.

Thn epomenh Pempth, qa synedriasei kybernhtiko organo, me antikeimeno mia seira apo qemata poy apasxoloyn thn koinwnia.

Ejelissetai, epitaxynetai kai anadeiknyetai to synolo toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Ayto einai to shmantiko zhthma, ayto einai to prwto megalo qema poy mas apasxolei.

MPOTWNHS: Akoysa th dhlwsh sas xqes, gia th basilikh perioysia, alla taytoxrona th N.D., opws kai alloys paragontes, na katalogizoyn sthn kybernhsh eyqynes -malista, milane gia kybernhtikes gkafes- kai etsi qa plhrwsei o ellhnikos laos poly akriba olh ayth thn istoria. Ti exete na peite, ep` aytoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Safws, den ektimoyme oti exoyn ginei gkafes kai aporriptoyme oloys aytoys toys asthriktoys isxyrismoys. As mas pei h N.D. ti proteine kai ti proteinei. Dioti -opws gnwrizete- otan ekleise to qema, h N.D. epixeirhse na kanei symbibasmo me ton tews basilia. Ena symbibasmo poy qa htan se baros twn symferontwn toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai fainetai oti h N.D. den exei balei myalo. Synexizei sto idio motibo. En pash periptwsei, einai gnwsth h politikh ths kai th gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos.

GARGALAKOS: Apo o,ti plhroforhqhka, h ebraikh koinothta, diamartyrhqhke gia bandalismoys se tafoys Israhlinwn. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei anakoinwsh toy kentrikoy israhlinoy symboylioy, symfwna me thn opoia bebhlwqhke xqes to ebraiko nekrotafeio twn Iwanninwn kai to mnhmeio toy Olokaytwmatos sth Qessalonikh. Qewroyme aparadekth kai katadikazoyme me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo th barbarh ayth energeia. Thn katadikazoyme oloi omofwna kai omocyxa. Den einai dynato, se mia xwra poy sebetai panta ton anqrwpino pono, se ena mnhmeio poy exei na kanei me mia poly dyskolh stigmh ths anqrwpothtas -kai milw gia to Olokaytwma- na ekdhlwnontai tetoies barbarothtes. Einai gnwsto oti o ellhnikos laos prostateyse kai perieqalce, kata tis pio dyskoles wres, tis wres poy h nazistikh qhriwdia proxwroyse sto Olokaytwma, toys polites toy ebraikoy qrhskeymatos. To mnhmeio ayto einai afierwmeno se Ellhnes polites ebraikoy qrhskeymatos kai pragmatika aisqanomai oti prepei na ekfrasw thn plhrh apostrofh ths kybernhshs apenanti se ayth thn energeia.

FILHS: Sthn anakoinwsh, omws, prostiqetai kai kati allo: Ginetai enas sysxetismos kai apodidontai eyqynes ston ellhniko Typoy, peripoy gia hqikh aytoyrgia apenanti se aytoys toys bandalismoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den pisteyw oti mporei kaneis na symfwnhsei se kati tetoio.

FILHS: To leei, omws, h anakoinwsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den topoqetoymai me bash thn anakoinwsh.

FILHS: Exei shmasia, omws, dhmioyrgei klima, oti opws katadikazei o Saron einai san na...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exei katadikastei h politikh Saron apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo kai xwris na afhnei kanena periqwrio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia th basilikh perioysia, ti proteinete; Qa mas dwsete telika ayto to porisma; Yparxei mesa symbibastikh lysh gia poso; Lete ena poso, alla den prosdiorizete to poson;

PRWTOPAPAS: Egine mia enhmerwsh xqes, apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, sthn opoia sas parapempw.

BITALHS: Kai milate eseis, oti den prokeitai na dwsoyme oyte ena eyrw. Swsth ayth h qesh poy lete, den lew, alla otan mila to epishmo ypomnhma poy stelnoyme gia "eylogo timhma", ti na ypoqesoyme;

PRWTOPAPAS: Na janadiabasete prosektika th xqesinh dhlwsh moy. Opws qa diapistwsete, den yparxei anafora gia ena eyrw. Ayto mporei na ejaxqei ws epikoinwniako trik. Den einai kako, giati pragmatika ayth einai h proqesh mas. Alla, den anaferetai ayto sthn anakoinwsh moy. Anaferetai oti proqesh mas einai na mh diapragmateyqoyme, se kamia periptwsh, me ton tews basilia. Yparxei mia safhs aporrich twn paranomwn apaithsewn toy. Akomh ki an yphrxe mia syzhthsh peri symbolikoy timhmatos, qa eprepe na lhfqei ypoch kai mia seira apo alloys paragontes, oi opoioi oysiastika to mhdenizoyn. Kai tetoioi paragontes einai oi foroi klhronomias kai metabibashs opws epishs kai to gegonos oti polla apo ayta ta akinhta exoyn xarakthristei dasikes ektaseis kai arxaiologikoi xwroi. Eimai safhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh to Dikasthrio Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn den leitoyrgei me trik, qelei oysia...

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai emeis epi ths oysias topoqetoymaste.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto to "eylogo timhma" to anaferete mesa. Ti eiste diateqeimenoi na dwsete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei. Den gnwrizw ean sas ikanopoiei h apanthsh moy, alla exw apanthsei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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