Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-04-09

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 9 Aprilioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Qa qelate na sxoliasete to gegonos oti kata th xqesinh synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy den syzhthqhkan kaqoloy ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs kai h katastash sth Mesh Anatolh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, se mia synenteyjh o erwtwmenos apanta stis erwthseis. Den kaqorizei o idios, oyte to pedio, oyte thn atzenta. Ki oyte bebaia einai dynaton, eite h kybernhsh, eite opoiosdhpote diorganwnei th synenteyjh, na pei se kapoio synadelfo sas ti qa rwthsei kai pws. Ayto einai dikaiwma mono toy dhmosiografoy. O Prwqypoyrgos apanthse se o,ti erwthqhke.

MIXAHL: Pragmati se o,ti rwthqhke o Prwqypoyrgos, apanthse. Poios ton empodise, omws, o idios na kanei mia topoqethsh, exontas th diakanalikh akroamatikothta, sto flegon qema ths Meshs Anatolhs kai na qijei th stash ths Elladas se sxesh me ta genikotera qemata ejwterikhs politikhs; Den qa mporoyse, dhladh, na to kanei apo monos toy; Dioti diapistwsame apo th synenteyjh oti alla zhthmata, sta opoia o idios den rwthqhke, ta eqige me tis apanthseis toy. Giati, loipon, den qa mporoyse o idios na pei poia einai h qesh ths Elladas sto flegon zhthma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw -dioti eiste kai dhmosiografos- oti se mia synenteyjh o dhmosiografos kaqorizei to pedio twn erwthsewn kai twn qematwn poy qa teqoyn. Oi synadelfoi sas kaqorisan to pedio twn qematwn kai twn erwthsewn kai o Prwqypoyrgos apanthse stis erwthseis poy teqhkan. Den ekane diaggelma pros ton ellhniko lao. Ean eprokeito na kanei kapoio diaggelma, tote na eiste bebaios oti qa to ekane. Gnwrizete oti gia ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs yparxei analytikotath kai safhs dhlwsh toy. Den qa eixe kanena problhma na thn epanalabei. Alla, den htan aytos o skopos ths synenteyjhs. Kai nomizw oti h deontologia epiballei, otan oi synadelfoi sas kaqorizoyn apo monoi toys kai eleyqera -opws prepei ejalloy- to pedio twn erwthsewn kai twn qematwn poy qa qijoyn, o Prwqypoyrgos na apanta se ayta poy tiqentai. Kai egw qa hqela na teqoyn kai alla zhthmata, alla gnwrizete oti kaneis apo mas den kaqorizei to pedio.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ginomai manths kakwn. Sas to eixa pei dyo fores edw, dyo hmeres synexomenes, oti den qa teqoyn ta eqnika qemata. Kai tis dyo fores moy eixate pei oti einai egkyroi dhmosiografoi, politikoi syntaktes kai den einai dynato na mhn teqoyn. Otan, loipon, den eteqhsan, qa pw ayto poy eipe kai o synadelfos prin ligo: Mporoyse o Prwqypoyrgos na diakocei kapoia stigmh kai na pei "exoyme terastia qemata, E.E., thn Proedria, to Kypriako, thn entajiakh poreia, den exete na rwthsete ep` aytoy tipota;".

MIXAHL: (den akoygetai)

PRWTOPAPAS: Kyrie Mixahl, to erwthma poy ypobalate twra, mallon prepei na to apeyqynete se synadelfo sas.

Deyteron, se sxesh me ayto poy eipe o k. Kwnstantinidhs, prepei na jerete oti o Prwqypoyrgos htan etoimos gia oles tis erwthseis. Eixame pei oti qa einai synenteyjh ef` olhs ths ylhs. Eidika sto Palaistiniako -opws gnwrizete- exei kanei prosfata oloklhrwmenh dhlwsh. Den exei na krycei tipota apo kanenan. Einai gnwsth h dhlwsh toy. Den exei siwphsei. Apo ekei kai pera, oi synadelfoi sas ekrinan, aytonoma kai eleyqera opws prepei, oti ta qemata ta opoia oi idioi epelejan gia na qesoyn -kai opws gnwrizete yphrje metajy toys syzhthsh kai synennohsh, xwris kamia parembash- htan ayta. Egw den exw dikaiwma na krinw kai oyte qelw na krinw kanenan. O Prwqypoyrgos apanthse sta erwthmata poy toy ypebalan oi synadelfoi sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O Prwqypoyrgos meta apo ayth th synenteyjh, h ellhnikh kybernhsh, einai ikanopoihmenoi apo thn eikona poy paroysiase ayth h synenteyjh; Enhmerwqhke o ellhnikos laos apo th synenteyjh ayth;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epitrecte moy na sas pw oti eteqhsan para polla qemata. Na mhn adikoyme toys synadelfoys sas poy eqesan polla kai krisima zhthmata, eqesan shmantika erwthmata kai bebaiws, o ellhnikos laos enhmerwqhke dia toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy se mia poly megalh seira qematwn gia tis kybernhtikes qeseis. An apo ekei kai pera, eseis oi idioi erxeste edw kai mas lete oti den syzhthqhke h ejwterikh politikh, qa prepei na symfwnhsw apolytws mazi sas. Alla einai laqos o xwros opoy tiqetai h erwthsh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Liges wres meta kai afoy exoyn ginei kai oi prwtes ektimhseis, qa hqela na moy peite poios htan o basikos skopos kai stoxos ths synenteyjhs kai ean qewreite oti ylopoihqhke kai epiteyxqhke.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa mporoysa na sas parapemcw, apla, sth xqesinh dhlwsh moy. Ean, omws, qelete na sas thn epanalabw, qa sas pw kai pali oti o Prwqypoyrgos edwse mia synenteyjh thn opoia parakoloyqhse poly megalo tmhma toy ellhnikoy laoy kai bebaiws, se ayth th synenteyjh, anaferqhke kai sto ergo ths dietias, alla kai stis prooptikes ths synexishs toy kybernhtikoy ergoy gia thn epomenh dietia. Kai ayto, kata th gnwmh moy, htan idiaitera shmantiko. Einai idiaitera shmantiko na enhmerwnetai o ellhnikos laos gia kapoia zhthmata apologismoy, alla kai -panw apo ola- gia tis prooptikes, gia tis proteraiothtes toy kybernhtikoy ergoy gia thn epomenh dietia. Na jerei ti qa ginei kai poy desmeyetai h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos gia thn epomenh dietia. Kai ayto, bebaiws, egine. Kaqenas mporei na to krinei. Alla egine kai to qewrw idiaitera shmantiko.

KAPPOS: Me dedomenh thn ptwsh -apo o,ti deixnoyn kai oi dhmoskophseis- ths epirrohs toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qewreite oti synebale h xqesinh synenteyjh sto na anasthlwqei h eikona toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn egklwbizeste, mh qewreite tipota dedomeno kai mh dinete toso megalh bash stis dhmoskophseis. Oi dhmoskophseis diamorfwnontai apo tis politikes. Kai opws gnwrizete, oi dhmoskophseis -exoyn thn ajia toys bebaiws kai kaneis den thn ypotima, o kaqenas bgazei ta symperasmata toy- apotypwnoyn, dikhn fwtografias, mia sygkekrimenh ektimhsh toy polith se mia sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh. H politikh, to ergo einai ekeino poy diamorfwnei tis dhmoskophseis.

KAPPOS: As apegklwbistoyme, loipon, apo tis dhmoskophseis. Zhtw ena politiko sxolio. Eiste empeiros politikos, exete antilhch toy ti symbainei sthn koinwnia, ton kosmo. Me bash ayth thn empeiria, pws krinete thn anasthlwsh h th mh anasthlwsh ths eikonas toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ektimw oti xreiazetai anasthlwsh h eikona toy Prwqypoyrgoy. O Prwqypoyrgos exei panta thn empistosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Qelw na sas qymisw oti exei kerdisei dyo fores tis ekloges, ton exei timhsei dyo fores o Ellhnas poliths kai ton empisteyetai. Na eiste bebaios gi` ayto. Kai qa fanei kai stis ekloges toy 2004, otan to ergo mas, oi desmeyseis mas apenanti sto ellhniko lao qa exoyn ginei prajh.

BITALHS: Epeidh, loipon, mphkan arketa qemata, xqes, sth synenteyjh kai alla den erwthqhkan, qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, anaferqhke se mia desmeysh toy gia koinwnikh kai oikonomikh sygklish ths Elladas me tis ypoloipes eyrwpaikes xwres. Milhse gia anaptyjh. Kata poso ayth h desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, aytos o programmatismos poy exei kanei, mporei na ephreastei apo tis ejelijeis sth Mesh Anatolh kai eidika apo thn kinhsh toy Santam Xoysein na kocei to petrelaio, h timh toy opoioy fqanei sta ych ayth th stigmh kai ti epiptwseis mporei na exei; Exei metrhsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh tis epiptwseis poy mporei na exei h kinhsh ayth;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai pragmati mia erwthsh gia ena qema poy qa mas apasxolhsei. Kai qewrw shmantiko ayto poy qetete, dioti den afora mia krish sth xqesinh synenteyjh, alla mia mellontikh ejelijh h opoia piqano na einai dysmenhs. Kaqe anataraxh poy ginetai sto dieqnes pedio kai idiaitera sthn eyryterh perioxh sthn opoia brisketai h xwra mas, exei th dikh ths shmasia, tis dikes ths synepeies. To idio synebh me to tromokratiko xtyphma ths 11hs Septembrioy, ton polemo poy akoloyqhse sto Afganistan, poy eixan tis dikes toys dysmeneis epirroes. Qelw, omws, na tonisw oti h ellhnikh oikonomia einai isxyrh, exei pleon steraies baseis, exei th dikh ths dynamikh, exei ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs kai einai bebaio oti einai se qesh, me tis dikes mas dynameis, me th dikh mas prospaqeia, me th synergeia me tis zwntanes dynameis toy laoy mas, na jepername ta opoia problhmata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta th xqesinh ekdhlwsh, qa ginoyn kai alles ekdhlwseis me dhmosiografoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai stis skeceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Alla, gi ayta ta zhthmata, qa apofasisei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos. Einai, omws, stis skeceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy h diarkhs epafh toy kai me toys dhmosiografoys bebaiws, alla kai me tis koinwnikes omades kai toys ekproswpoys twn forewn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Rwtw, ean qa ginei allh ekdhlwsh, opws thn apokalese o Prwqypoyrgos, me polloys dhmosiografoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa ejetastoyn oi sygkekrimenes epikoinwniakes kinhseis. Einai safes oti den qa meinoyme edw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: ...Gia na syzhthqoyn kai ta qemata poy den syzhthqhkan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto poy lete to sebomai, qa to ejetasoyme.

KARGOYDH: Apo xqes to brady exoyn prokycei kapoies ejelijeis kai anaferomai sthn anakoinwsh apoxwrhshs apo kapoies perioxes twn israhlinwn strateymatwn kai th dhmosiopoihsh kapoias protashs apo thn pleyra toy Germanoy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, gia eyrwpaikh parembash mazi me tis HPA kai ton OHE. Qa hqela thn antidrash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsto oti yparxoyn ejelijeis, yparxei kinhtikothta gyrw apo thn apoxwrhsh twn israhlinwn strateymatwn. Den gnwrizoyme, omws, poso apotelesmatikes qa einai. Yparxoyn, epishs, oi dhlwseis toy k. Paoyel, o opoios krinei enqarryntikh, alla oxi arketh, thn apoxwrhsh twn israhlinwn strateymatwn apo dyo poleis ths Dytikhs Oxqhs. Pisteyw oti mporei kaneis na symfwnhsei mazi toy. To zhtoymeno den einai mono na ginoyn kapoies kinhseis, eite einai kalhs qelhshs, eite oxi. To zhtoymeno einai na yparxei apoxwrhsh twn israhlinwn strateymatwn apo tis palaistiniakes poleis kai na arxisei h politikh diadikasia gia to anejarthto palaistiniako kratos kai na doqoyn oles oi aparaithtes eggyhseis, wste oi israhlinoi polites na zoyn asfaleis kai na mhn exoyn to fobo tromokratikwn energeiwn. Oles oi pleyres prepei na arqoyn sto ycos twn peristasewn. Qewrw oti den yparxei xronos gia na synexizetai o kyklos ths bias kai toy aimatos. Prepei twra na stamathsei kai h Dieqnhs Koinothta prepei na klimakwsei tis prospaqeies ths pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Me thn eykairia qelw na tonisw, oti yparxoyn kinhseis apo thn ellhnikh pleyra gia th metafora anqrwpistikhs bohqeies, idiaitera me tis prwtoboylies toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

KARGOYDH: Gia thn protash toy k. Fiser, exete katalhjei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyw oti ayta diamorfwnontai sto plaisio ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas. Oles oi protaseis exoyn th dikh toys xrhsimothta. Gnwrizete oti den einai h monh poy yparxei. Qewrw oti kaqe protash poy einai sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE, mporei na apotelesei xrhsimo stoixeio ston anagkaio dialogo poy qa epakoloyqhsei. Alla, prwto kai kyrio stoixeio einai na teleiwsoyn oi exqroprajies kai na aposyrqoyn ta strateymata.

MIXAHL: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos paradexqhke oti yparxoyn polla problhmata kai adynamies. Eipe oti o stoxos ths epomenhs 2etias einai h prowqhsh ths koinwnikhs sygklishs me tis ypoloipes xwres ths E.E. Sas rwtw, poies eggyhseis yparxoyn, me dedomeno oti diapistwqhkan ayta ta problhmata thn prwth dietia, oti den qa janaparoysiastoyn kai den qa empodizoyn thn pragmatopoihsh twn stoxwn gia thn koinwnikh sygklish;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exete akoysei th synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, sas parapempw se ayth. Htan safestatos kai apanta kai sthn erwthsh sas.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Ti exei allajei sthn optikh, poy mexri shmera eblepe o Prwqypoyrgos, sthn ypoqesh toy Xrhmatisthrioy kai enw, mexri xqes, me polles parembaseis kratoyse mia safh kai staqerh stash, symboylece xqes toys dhmosiografoys kai kat epektash toy ependytes na krathsoyn tis metoxes toys;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos htan apolytws safhs. Sas parapempw sthn apanthsh toy. Gnwrizete oti otan yparxei topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy menoyme se ayth. Eseis exete dikaiwma sto Meso poy ergazeste na peite thn apoch sas.

KAPPOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw poy sthrizetai h aisiodojia toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia, xwris na yparxei akoma to fasma ths petrelaikhs krishs, apo th stigmh poy hdh apo to Febroyario, oles oi endeijeis lene oti o plhqwrismos qa kymainetai peripoy sto 3,7%, enw anamenetai kyma anatimhsewn.

PRWTOPAPAS: H xqesinh apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy htan safhs.

KAPPOS: To megeqos toy plhqwrismoy to dexeste;

PRWTOPAPAS: Htan safhs o Prwqypoyrgos.

KOTTARIDHS: Yparxoyn plhrofories apo thn Agkyra, symfwna me tis opoies o k. Papandreoy sxediazei na metabei sth Mesh Anatolh me ton k. Tzem. To epibebaiwnete ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw kapoia plhroforhsh ayth th stigmh. Gnwrizete oti o k. Papandreoy brisketai sto ejwteriko kai sygkekrimena sth Laikh Dhmokratia ths Kinas. Qa epikoinwnhsoyme kai qa sas apanthsw. Den mporw na to epibebaiwsw.

MIXAHL: Thn antidrash ths N.D. pws th sxoliazete; Epipleon, qa hqela na rwthsw ean phrate thn apofash toy ESR gia ta gnwsta ``paixnidia''; Ti qa kanete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora tis dhlwseis, toso toy ekproswpoy Typoy, oso kai stelexwn ths N.D. den xreiazetai na pei kaneis polla. Ektimw oti yparxei mia ekdhlh anhsyxia kai ekneyrismos ths N.D. kai twn stelexwn ths meta th synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Den exoyme kanena logo na to sxoliasoyme ayto. Afora th N.D. Qelw, omws, na tonisw oti orismenoi xarakthrismoi, poy ejapolyqhkan apo kapoia stelexh ths N.D. -idiaitera xqes to brady se thleoptikoys staqmoys- deixnoyn thn alazoneia aytoy toy kommatos. Emeis den exoyme para na epistrecoyme toys xarakthrismoys, ws aforwntes mono thn paratajh toys.

Oson afora to deytero erwthma sas, xqes to apogeyma, parelaba ta praktika toy ESR. Shmera qa paralabw kai ena sxedio, to opoio einai se synexeia twn praktikwn. Ta praktika einai polles selides. Xreiazontai kapoies hmeres gia th meleth toys kai thn sxetikh epejergasia twn nomikwn. Stis arxes ths epomenhs ebdomadas qa exete tis apofaseis mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ektos apo boyleytes ths N.D. egw akoysa shmera kai boyleytes toy PASOK, opws ton k. Arsenh, poy ekane dhlwseis kai eipe oti sth synenteyjh den eixe tipota na pei o Prwqypoyrgos. Ti exete na peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn parermhneyete tis dhlwseis. Qa sas synistoysa na diabasete analytika tis dhlwseis olwn twn stelexwn toy PASOK.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw tis diabasa, eseis tis gnwrizete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas synistoysa, epeidh gnwrizw oles tis dhlwseis twn stelexwn, na tis diabasete analytika.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Thn ekdhlh anhsyxia poy eipate sto sxolio sas gia th N.D. poy thn topoqeteite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo to keimeno ths dhlwshs toy k. Royssopoyloy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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