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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26 Martioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy tis epomenes hmeres:

Ayth thn wra o Prwqypoyrgos episkeptetai to Moyseio ths Akropolhs, opws sas eixa anakoinwsei apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Stis 14.00, qa dexqei thn yfypoyrgo Ejwterikoy Emporioy kai Ejwterikwn ths M. Bretanias k. Saimons. Stis 19.00, qa exei synanthsh me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy. Stis 20.30, qa synanthqei me ton ypoyrgo Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn Xrhsto Berelh kai ton yfypoyrgo Oikonomias Xrhsto Paxta, gia qemata poy syndeontai me to G@ KPS.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh. Stis 11 h wra, qa dexqei ton Proedro toy Synhgoroy toy Polith k. Nikhforo Diamantoyro. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa exei synanthsh me thn proedro ths Letonias k. Faimpergka. Stis 14.00, qa ginei syskech gia thn proetoimasia ths symmetoxhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn ethsia Synodo Diabalkanikhs Synergasias, poy qa ginei thn Pempth (28/3) sta Tirana. Opws gnwrizete, h Diaskech ayth ginetai se epipedo Arxhgwn Kratwn kai Kybernhsewn. Metexoyn oles oi xwres ths eyryterhs perioxhs ths Balkanikhs. Einai mia idiaitera shmantikh prwtoboylia, h opoia gia prwth fora eixe analhfqei to 1997 kai eixe pragmatopoihqei sthn Krhth. Kai h fetinh diaskech einai poly shmantikh, meta th lhjh twn exqroprajiwn se mia seira xwrwn ths Balkanikhs.

Thn Paraskeyh, to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei se erwthseis sth Boylh, ean yparxoyn. Sth synexeia, qa synedriasei to KYSEA sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, me qema thn amyntikh strathgikh ths xwras.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qa hqela na anaferqw se dyo qemata:

To prwto exei na kanei me th diadikasia toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy Radiothleorashs, sxetika me tis dyo gnwstes ekpompes gia tis opoies kat` epanalhch exoyme syzhthsei. Qelw na tonisw oti se dhlwseis moy thn Paraskeyh, meta th lhjh ths synedriashs toy ESR, eixa pei oti h apofash toy ESR einai qetikh, me thn ennoia oti dinei ena telos se ena klima ojynshs poy parathrhqhke tis teleytaies hmeres. Tonisa, omws, parallhla oti einai mia shmantikh eykairia gia toys idioys toys thleoptikoys staqmoys na kanoyn thn aytorryqmish toys kai na dwsoyn ena telos se ayth th diamaxh, allazontas th shmansh kai thn wra metadoshs twn sxetikwn ekpompwn. Exoyn perasei apo tote treis hmeres - poy bebaiws htan argies- kai sto diasthma ayto den egine kamia kinhsh apo thn pleyra twn dyo thleoptikwn staqmwn. Qelw na toys kalesw kai pali twra kai prin apo thn oloklhrwsh ths kyrwtikhs diadikasias, na analaboyn oi idioi prwtoboylies kai na kanoyn thn aytorryqmish toys, allazontas thn wra metadoshs kai shmanshs twn sxetikwn ekpompwn. Qelw, epishs, na tonisw oti thn Pempth synedriazei kai pali to ESR kai einai safes oti ean mexri tote den exoyn shmeiwqei ejelijeis, einai poly piqano -xwris na jerw ti qa kanei h Anejarthth Arxh- na proxwrhsei, symfwna kai me tis dhlwseis melwn toy, h sxetikh kyrwtikh diadikasia.

IWANNOY: Ti shmainei ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Shmainei oti ean den yparjoyn oi anagkaies prwtoboylies apo toys idioys toys thleoptikoys staqmoys -kai toys kalw shmera me qarros na analaboyn thn eyqynh toys kai na kanoyn thn aytorryqmish toys- einai safes oti to ESR qa proxwrhsei sthn kyrwtikh diadikasia, opws exei ejaggeilei. Den gnwrizw poies qa einai oi apofaseis toy, dioti opws gnwrizete einai Anejarthth Arxh. To ypoyrgeio, an yparjoyn kyrwseis, protiqetai se ayth thn periptwsh na tis ypogracei. Ayto qelw na to kanw safes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto qa ginei kai se periptwsh opoiwndhpote kyrwsewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean to ESR apofasisei kyrwseis -giati exei parei ena plaisio apofasewn, gia tis opoies exei proeidopoihsei- to ypoyrgeio protiqetai na tis epikyrwsei.

MIXAHL: (Den akoygetai)

PRWTOPAPAS: To ypoyrgeio exei ton elegxo nomimothtas. Einai safes oti otan yparxei mia proqesh, h proqesh ayth ekdhlwnetai me teleiws diaforetiko tropo. To gnwrizete poly kala ayto.

IWANNOY: Kai peri ths antifatikhs, opws eidame, symperiforas toy Proedroy toy ESR, ennow ws pros tis apofaseis@

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa. Ws gnwston, oloi krinomaste apo thn koinh gnwmh. Ayth th stigmh omws proexei mia apofash aytorryqmishs. Ayth einai h swsth ryqmish poy prepei na ginei. Mia gennaia apofash aytorryqmishs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto, dhladh, einai telesigrafo. An mexri thn Pempth h alliws@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena telesigrafo. Kanw politikes epishmanseis.

To deytero qema exei na kanei me tis ejelijeis gyrw apo to Asfalistiko. Bebaiws yparxoyn kai sxetikes dhlwseis toy armodioy ypoyrgoy Dhmhtrh Reppa. Qelw omws kai apo thn pleyra moy na tonisw oti tis teleytaies hmeres ginomaste kai pali martyres mias politikhs diglwssias kai ypokrisias apo th N.D.. Apo th mia pleyra stelexh ths N.D., opws gia paradeigma o k. Soyflias, bgainoyn se diaforoys radiofwnikoys kai thleoptikoys staqmoys kai kathgoroyn thn kybernhsh gia mia dhqen aneparkh metarryqmish kai apo thn allh, alla stelexh ths N.D., metajy twn opoiwn kai stelexh ths se mazikoys xwroys, arnoyntai th symmetoxh sto dialogo, me to epixeirhma oti einai mia metarryqmish katastrofikh gia toys ergazomenoys. Katalabainete, loipon, oti exoyme mia baqia ypokritikh stash ths N.D., exoyme kai pali tis gnwstes dyo glwsses, tis dyo symperifores, etsi wste, opws nomizoyn, me ayto to klima asafeias, abebaiothtas kai sygxyshs na apokomisoyn mikrokommatika ofelh. H N.D. omws den mporei na koroidecei kanenan. Kai ekeino poy qelw na epishmanw, einai oti kinhseis mh apodoxhs kai yponomeysh toy dialogoy poy diejagetai, einai se baros toy Ellhna ergazomenoy, einai se baros ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. To Asfalistiko den einai ena qema poy afora to PASOK h thn kybernhsh toy, mono. To Asfalistiko einai ena qema poy afora oloys mas, oloys toys Ellhnes polites, olh thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Einai se ejelijh enas dialogos kai o dialogos aytos den shmainei oti kat` anagkh qa katalhjei se plhrh symfwnia h plhrh diafwnia. Yparxoyn shmeia poy diereynatai h dynatothta synaineshs, yparxoyn shmeia poy exei epelqei symfwnia, shmeia poy paramenoyn ekkremh, shmeia poy ekdhlwnontai kai diafwnies. O dialogos aytos brisketai se ena krisimo stadio kai prepei na proxwrhsei, dioti ayto einai pros to symferon ths ellhnikhs koinwnias kai eidikotera toy Ellhna ergazomenoy, toy Ellhna syntajioyxoy. Kaqe ti poy parempodizei kai yponomeyei ayto to dialogo einai se baros ths koinwnias. Kai ayto kanoyn me th stash toys ta sygkekrimena stelexh toy kommatos ths N.D.. Ayto epidiwkoyn kai malista thn idia stigmh poy xrhsimopoioyn th diglwssia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poies einai oi dyo glwsses; Eipate oti o k. Soyflias milaei gia aneparkh metarryqmish kai oi syndikalistes -gi` aytoys lete- lene oti "den syzhtame, den synexizoyme to dialogo, giati einai aneparkhs". Poia einai h diplh glwssa; Thn idia glwssa milane kai oi men kai oi de. O enas den metexei sto dialogo kai o allos kathgorei@

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Ypoqetw oti etsi egine h katanomh twn rolwn apo th Rhgillhs. Alla den einai etsi, oyte ta pragmata, oyte oi isxyrismoi. O men enas isxyristhke oti h metarryqmish den exei baqos kai den pairnoyme tolmhra kai sklhra metra, opws prepei, analoga me ekeina ths periodoy '90-'93 (ayto eipe o k. Soyflias). Alla kai stelexh ths N.D. isxyrizontai oti ta metra poy pairnontai einai tolmhra kai se baros twn ergazomenwn, gi` ayto to logo prepei na diakocoyn to dialogo. Oi men, loipon, miloyn gia aneparkh kai oi de gia poly shmantika kai dysmenh metra. Katalabainete, loipon, oti yparxei diglwssia, ypokrisia, prospaqeia yponomeyshs mias baqias metarryqmishs poy einai pros to symferon ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Ayto qeloyme na to kataggeiloyme enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy.

KARELIAS: Ean synexistei ayto kai h GSEE, opws diafainetai den katalhjei se koinh stash, ennow oti oi paratajeis den symfwnhsoyn, kai den proselqei sth synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias, protiqetai h kybernhsh na kanei kapoia allh xeironomia; Dhladh na perimenoyme kati allo apo thn pleyra sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa elega na perimenoyme prwta tis telikes apofaseis ths GSEE. Sebomaste to dialogo kai mas endiaferei na proxwrhsei. Basikh epidiwjh mas einai h dhmioyrgia klimatos synaineshs, symfwnias se ena toso krisimo qema. Exoyme kai th deoysa ypomonh kai pisteyoyme oti me th bohqeia ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, pros thn opoian ejalloy prosblepoyme, o dialogos aytos qa proxwrhsei.

MIXAHL: Ligo h poly oloi eidame h plhroforhqhkame ta ektropa poy eginan meta to ntermpi sto podosfairo. Qelw na rwthsw, kata poso h kybernhsh skeftetai na labei metra oson afora thn asfaleia stoys aqlhtikoys xwroys. Dioti, oi kataggelies, peran twn allwn poy syzhtioyntai, einai oti adranhse h Astynomia.

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh exei hdh parembei. Gnwrizete oti brisketai se ejelijh syskech toy yfypoyrgoy Politismoy G. Koyrakh me toys ekproswpoys twn armodiwn enwsewn. Yparxei kai mia seira apo alles kinhseis poy qa epakoloyqhsoyn. Ayto poy oloi ofeiloyme na epishmanoyme einai oti ta idiaitera qlibera gegonota poy eidame den timoyn kaqoloy to podosfairo. Htan pragmatika mia idiaitera arnhtikh, mia mayrh selida sthn istoria toy ellhnikoy podosfairoy. Prwtoi apo oloys, oi proedroi kai oi ypeyqynoi twn podosfairikwn anwnymwn etairiwn, prepei na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys kai na dwsoyn to kalo paradeigma. Einai ekeinoi poy prepei na dinoyn to kalo paradeigma gia to "ey agwnizesqai" kai thn katadikh, thn apofygh, thn prolhch opoiwndhpote aparadektwn fainomenwn bias. Den einai dynaton, eite na prwtostatoyn, eite na sygkalyptoyn tetoia fainomena kai tetoies ekdhlwseis. Qelw na tonisw oti to prwtaqlhma diorganwnetai apo thn EPAE kai oi proedroi twn podosfairikwn anwnymwn etairiwn exoyn thn kyria eyqynh gia thn omalh diejagwgh toy.

MIXAHL: Profanws, oi idioi krinoyn kai me th stash toys katadeiknyoyn kai to pws proseggizoyn to problhma, kata mia ermhneia. Wstoso, yparxei h eyqynh ths Politeias. H Astynomia, gia paradeigma, den einai ekei mono gia na toys blepei na tsakwnontai gia to poios exei dikio h adiko, gia to an o enas adikeitai h o allos eynoeitai h otidhpote allo. H Astynomia einai gia na diasfalizei thn tajh. Otan, loipon, oi kataggelies einai oti adranhse kai otan apo thn allh diatassetai EDE gia tis piqanes eyqynes astynomikwn organwn, meridio ths eyqynhs ths Politeias, mesw dia ths Astynomias, den yparxei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto qema ths asfaleias, to mono poy qa mporoyse na pei kaneis einai "giati den phge h Astynomia me th lhjh toy paixnidioy na prostateysei to diaithth". Ean xreiazetai gi` ayto na apodoqoyn eyqynes, na eiste bebaioi oti qa ginei. Kata ta alla, yphrxe eparkhs paroysia ths Astynomias kai entos kai ektos toy xwroy. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, den einai h Astynomia poy eyqynetai gia tis emprhstikes dhlwseis paragontwn kai malista proedrwn twn PAE, oyte gia thn prospaqeia -poy htan kyriolektika aparadekth- na dhmioyrghqei politiko zhthma gyrw apo to pws ekrine o kaqe proedros to apotelesma enos podosfairikoy agwna. To zhthma poy yparxei kai einai ena pragmatika shmantiko koinwniko qema, einai h qliberh eikona poy emfanisthke, gia thn opoia exoyn eyqynh oi anwnymes etairies. Kai exoyn eyqynh, giati to podosfairo einai ena laiko aqlhma poy apeyqynetai ston kaqe polith, se oikogeneies, opws ginetai se oles tis xwres ths Eyrwphs. Den mporei na paroysiazei ayth thn eikona poy paroysiase tis teleytaies hmeres, h opoia diesyre th xwra mas sto ejwteriko, oson afora thn aqlhtikh eikona ths. Ean yparxoyn kapoies, giati den mphke h Astynomia egkairws me to sfyrigma ths lhjhs, ayto qa diereynhqei kai opoies eyqynes yparxoyn qa apodoqoyn. Alla, h kyria phgh toy problhmatos htan o tropos me ton opoio xeiristhkan oi ypeyqynoi kai oi proedroi twn PAE to qema.

POYLIDOY: Oi eyqynes ths Astynomias, oxi mono na diereynhqoyn gia to xroniko shmeio poy mphkan kai anelaban drash, alla kai giati epairnan to meros thleoptika ths mias h ths allhs omadas, dinontas martyries sta kanalia thn wra akribws toy brasmoy twn epeisodiwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Shmeiwnw thn parathrhsh sas, giati to eida kai egw. Ekeino, omws, poy qelw na pw einai na jekinhsoyme apo th genesioyrgo aitia toy problhmatos. Jerete poly kala oti h Astynomia mporei na kanei kata ton kalytero tropo th doyleia ths, alla otan exoyn dhmioyrghqei emprhstikes katastaseis kai otan exoyme na kanoyme me polles xiliades kosmoy, dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata, oso kala kai an kanei th doyleia h Astynomia. Den qa eixe dhmioyrghqei kanena qema, ean oi idioi oi proedroi kai oi alloi oi ypeyqynoi twn PAE -giati den htan mono proedroi- den prwtostatoysan oysiastika, eite me thn ennoia toy fysikoy, eite me thn ennoia toy hqikoy aytoyrgoy, sth dhmioyrgia klimatos bias kai epeisodiwn. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta.

GARGALAKOS: Giati genikeyete; Lete oi proedroi twn PAE. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh enas proedros htan.

PRWTOPAPAS: Milhsa gia proedroys kai ypeyqynoys, ypo thn ennoia oti yphrjan ekeinoi poy prwtostathsan kai ekeinoi poy erijan "ladi sth fwtia". Eimaste dikaioi pros oles tis pleyres. Bebaiws, kapoios sygkekrimenos -o k. Filippidhs, gia na milhsw anoikta- epixeirhse na rijei eyqynes sthn kybernhsh. Ayto htan epieikws aparadekto. O k. Filippidhs exei sobarh eyqynh gia th dhmioyrgia klimatos epeisodiwn kai exei kai sobarh eyqynh ws proedros mias megalhs kai istorikhs podosfairikhs anwnymhs etairias, symboloy toy aqlhtismoy sthn Ellada. Ayto prepei na to prosexei idiaitera. Kai bebaia na qymhqei oti armodia gia th diorganwsh toy prwtaqlhmatos einai h EPAE, sthn opoia metexei kai h etairia toy.

SOYGLERHS: Sto parelqon h hgesia ths Astynomias eixe zhthsei na aposyrei th dynamh ths mias kai to prwtaqlhma einai epaggelmatiko kai ta swmateia na analaboyn thn asfaleia twn agwnwn me dikh toys idiwtikh astynomia. Prokeitai na ginei kati tetoio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto symbainei se polles apo tis xwres ths Eyrwphs, opoy h paroysia ths Astynomias einai typikh. Yparxoyn elaxistoi astynomikoi, oi opoioi einai kai oi monoi poy exoyn to dikaiwma na syllaboyn polith, ean parektrapei kai einai mono gia thn thrhsh twn poinikwn nomwn. H tajh threitai se polles eyrwpaikes xwres apo thn asfaleia poy exoyn oi idies oi podosfairikes etairies. Ayto qa htan eyxhs ergo na mporoyse na ginei kai sthn Ellada. Fysika mexri na ginei, qa epitelei h Astynomia kai ayto to rolo. Gi` ayto den yparxei kamia amfibolia. Lambanontai synexws metra. Polles fores, omws, den arkoyn gia na empodisoyn th dhmioyrgia epeisodiwn. Giati polla epeisodia, opws gnwrizete, den ginontai kata kanona sto ghpedo. Polles fores ginontai se xwroys poy einai poly makria apo ghpeda kai den gnwrizw poso eykolo einai na ta prolabei kaneis. To kyrio einai h dhmioyrgia syneidhshs kai nootropias kai h Politeia einai apofasismenh na symbalei se ayto. Sas eipa oti, hdh, o armodios yfypoyrgos anelabe sxetikes prwtoboylies. Alla, qeloyme kai th bohqeia twn EPAE, ths EPO kai olwn twn podosfairikwn swmateiwn gia na yparjei mia tetoia dhmioyrgia syneidhshs kai nootropias. Gia na exoyme mia ygih syneidhsh kai nootropia, den mporei na ginontai ybristikes dhlwseis. Den mporei na prwtostatoyn oi anqrwpoi, oi ypeyqynoi twn PAE se epeisodia. Den mporei na prospaqoyn aparadekta kai antideontologika na politikopoihsoyn katastaseis. Den mas endiaferei poia politika fronhmata exei o k. Filippidhs, alla den mporei na mila gia eyqynes toy Prwqypoyrgoy, gia paradeigma, otan aytos prwtos exei tis dikes toy eyqynes.

Ola ayta ta zhthmata prepei na ta baloyme katw. Na ginei katanohto oti ayth h mayrh selida sto ellhniko podosfairo prepei na einai h teleytaia. Na dhmioyrghsoyme -analambanontas oloi tis eyqynes mas kai diamorfwnontas nees nootropies kai syneidhseis- mia nea katastash me nea dedomena sto xwro toy podosfairoy.

ARGYROS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gi` ayth thn eikona poy metadidetai synexws me to diaithth na einai aimofyrtos stis thleoraseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kalw oloys na stamathsoyn na rixnoyn "ladi sth fwtia". Htan mia mayrh selida. Twra prepei na koitajoyme mprosta pws qa thn jeperasoyme, pws qa diamorfwsoyme mia nea katastash, mia nea selida, me nea dedomena. Den bohqa na synexisoyme thn antiparaqesh se ayta ta zhthmata. Katagrafhkan oi eikones, htan idiaitera arnhtikes, htan mia qliberh katastash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ws ypoyrgos Typoy, mporeite na moy peite, giati o Proedros ths Dhmokratias den ekane, xqes, dhlwseis meta thn parelash; Gia prwth fora Proedros ths Dhmokratias den kanei dhlwseis. Yparxei kapoio problhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, den yphrje kanena qema. To giati den ekane dhlwseis o Proedros ths Dhmokratias einai diko toy qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ton odhghsan pros ta kanalia gia na kanei dhlwseis kai den ekane! Efyge monos toy!

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, kaneis den odhgei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn plhrofories oti ta kratika kanalia agnohsan ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai epeidh eiste proistamenos twn kratikwn kanaliwn, den jerw ean gnwrizete, den phge kanenas konta ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias apo ta kratika kanalia kai aytos htan o logos poy den ekane dhlwseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean anafereste se dhmosieymata, htan kai kratika kai idiwtika kanalia ekei. Den gnwrizw ean htan aytos o logos, oyte mas exei anaferqei tipota apo thn Proedria ths Dhmokratias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, eseis den to ejetazete ayto kaqoloy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa ejetasw, giati o Proedros ths Dhmokratias den ekane dhlwseis;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to qewreite sobaro to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan o Proedros ths Dhmokratias qelei na pei kati, na eiste bebaios oti to leei pros oles tis kateyqynseis. Den qa toy ypodeijoyme emeis ti qa kanei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ton agnoeite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaneis den agnoei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, ton opoio idiaiterws h kybernhsh tima kai sebetai apolyta. Qa parakaloysa, se ayto to shmeio, na eiste poly prosektikos.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean gnwrizete kati peri twn shmerinwn dhmosieymatwn, gia th diamaxh ths kas Mpesmpea me to k. Abramopoylo, gia to qema ths parelashs ths Dhmotikhs Astynomias. Kapoioi, malista synedesan ayth thn antiparaqesh kai me thn telikh apofash toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias na mhn kanei dhlwseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Akoysame shmera tis ejhghseis olwn twn pleyrwn. Xreiazetai apo th Nomarxia Aqhnwn mia egkrish gia na symmetasxei kapoios sthn parelash, h egkrish ayth den eixe doqei kai gi ayto to logo den symmeteixe h Dhmotikh Astynomia. Den yparxei allo qema.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio apo esas, apo thn kybernhsh, gia th synenteyjh poy edwse ston Kyriakatiko Typo, o Arxiepiskopos k. Xristodoylos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme tonisei, kat epanalhch, to sebasmo mas stoys diakritoys roloys Ekklhsias kai Politeias. Ayto prepei kai na to leme kai na to ennooyme. Kaneis den mporei na dianohqei oti h Ekklhsia qa mporoyse na apotelesei meros enos kommatikoy h politikoy ``paixnidioy'' h diamaxhs. Ayto qa htan ejw apo to rolo ths.

POYLIDOY: Hqela na sas rwthsw, sxetika me ta podosfairika: Me thn ojynsh poy phre kai me thn apodosh eyqynwn ston Prwqypoyrgo, poy epixeirhqhke, yparxei, kata th gnwmh sas, politiko ypostrwma se ayth thn antiparaqesh h mporei na yparjei mia nea anazwpyrwsh toy polemoy twn diaplekomenwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti yphrjan tetoia zhthmata. Nomizw oti htan atyxeis oi dhlwseis, mesa sthn piesh poy profanws eixe ekeinh th stigmh o k. Filippidhs, logw toy klimatos entashs kai twn epeisodiwn. Bebaiws, o k. Filippidhs kai alloi paragontes erijan ladi sth fwtia. Parakoloyqhsame kai alles dhlwseis apo thn allh pleyra. Pisteyoyme oti tetoies dhlwseis kai kaqe eidoys ypokinhsh klimatos antiparaqeshs prepei na apofeygontai.

IWANNOY: H kybernhsh ejetazei to endexomeno diakophs toy prwtaqlhmatos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti yparxei tetoio klima. Alla, bebaiws, na mhn prokatalaboyme mia syzhthsh poy qa ginei me oloys toys armodioys, thn EPAE kai thn EPO kai den gnwrizw ti skeftontai. Thn kybernhsh, pantws, den thn exei apasxolhsei tetoia skech. Oyte, ejalloy, einai armodia na diakocei th diorganwsh prwtaqlhmatwn Ean, apo kei kai pera, oi diorganwtes qeloyn na paroyn ta opoia metra, as ta poyn kai as apofasisoyn. Den einai diko mas qema.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O k. Filippidhs kalese sxetika ton Prwqypoyrgo kai toy apodwse eyqynes. O Prwqypoyrgos protiqetai na symmorfwqei me tis ypodeijeis toy k. Filippidh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh apanthsei. Ekeino poy qa perimename gia logoys stoixeiwdoys synepeias kai sobarothtas, qa htan na anaklhqei to sxetiko apospasma twn dhlwsewn apo ton idio ton k. Filippidh.

SOYGLERHS: Na symmorfwqoyn kai oi diaithtes stis ypodeijeis toy Papoytsh, poy eipe oti den toy arese h diaithsia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa to sxoliasw.

BITALHS: Yparxei endexomeno dialogoy anamesa sthn ellhnikh kai toyrkikh pleyra, ypo ton ICAO, gia to qema twn aerodiadromwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prokeitai na synanthqoyn ton Ioynio eidikoi texnikoi ths YPA me toys armodioys ths toyrkikhs pleyras, sto plaisio toy Dieqnoys Organismoy. Ekeino poy qa syzhthsoyn einai oi neoi aerodiadromoi, peripoy 10, oi opoioi prepei na symfwnhqoyn, prokeimenoy na diasfalistei plhrws h aeroploia sto Aigaio. Einai kaqara qemata asfaleias ths aeroploias. Mhn ta sygxeete oyte me ton ellhno-toyrkiko dialogo, oyte me opoiadhpote politikh prajh.

BITALHS: Symfwna me to dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``Eleyqerotypia'' einai sygkekrimeno, poioi aerodiadromoi syzhtoyntai. Akoma kai oi aerodiadromoi poy toys exei qesei se amfisbhthsh h Toyrkia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti kaneis den exei qesei ypo amfisbhthsh aerodiadromoys. To qema htan allo. Htan oi syxnothtes kai ta sxedia pthsewn mesa sto FIR. O aerodiadromos den teqhke se amfisbhthsh. Apo kei kai pera, syzhtoyntai kai neoi aerodiadromoi, dioti yparxei to qema ths asfaleias twn pthsewn. Kai mono katw apo to prisma ths asfaleias twn pthsewn qa ginei o sxetikos dialogos. Ejalloy, den ginetai apo politika proswpa. Qa ginei apo toys eidikoys twn yphresiwn politikhs aeroporias twn dyo xwrwn, poy qa einai stelexh, eidika gia qemata asfaleias twn pthsewn kai aerodiadromwn kai den exoyn kamia politikh idiothta kai ejoysiodothsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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