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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 14 Martioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YFYPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

THLEMAXO XYTHRH

Geia sas.

Kat` arxas, epeidh milw se dhmosiografoys, qa hqela na kanw mia timhtikh mneia sto reporter poy skotwqhke sth Mesh Anatolh kai na ypogrammisw, gia mia akomh fora, poso dyskolo kai spoydaio einai to epaggelma toy dhmosiografoy kai toy fwtoreporter, poy prospaqoyn na enhmerwsoyn thn koinh gnwmh me kindyno ths zwhs toys. Ta qymata ayta, opws gnwrizete, einai arketa. Malista, h idia efhmerida h CORRIERE DE LA SERA, eixe prosfata kai allo ena qyma, mia dhmosiografo, sto Afganistan.

Qa einai, omws, kalo na syneidhtopoihsoyn oloi -kai oi dhmosiografoi- to rolo ths sobarhs enhmerwshs.

Gia to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Barkelwnh enhmerwqhkate, xqes, apo ton Ypoyrgo Typoy Xr. Prwtopapa, se ayth thn aiqoysa. O Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei, ayrio brady sto deipno, kai gia ton eyrwstrato, qetontas tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs sto qema ayto. Qa anaptyjei, epishs, kai tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs sth syzhthsh poy qa ginei gia thn krish sto Mesanatoliko. Qeseis tis opoies syzhthse o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn me toys omologoys toy ths E.E., tis prohgoymenes hmeres, kataqetontas ta pente ellhnika shmeia.

Yparxei mia kalh prwtoboylia apo thn pleyra toy OHE kai elpizoyme na exei synexeia.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Xqes, o k. Laliwths anaferqhke se kapoies dhmoskophseis poy deixnoyn thn anagkaiothta ths synergasias toy PASOK me thn Aristera, akoma kai se kybernhtiko epipedo. H kybernhsh, ayto to sxoliasmo kai tis dhlwseis toy k. Laliwth, pws tis blepei; Tis kalyptei, blepei qetika dhladh mia tetoia ejelijh;

XYTHRHS: Paroti einai qema toy kommatos, sas apantw aplws kai mono, epeidh o idios o Prwqypoyrgos kai Proedros toy PASOK milhse proxqes gia to qema. Einai mia staqerh qesh toy PASOK h synergasia twn proodeytikwn dynamewn, poly perissotero twra poy briskomaste mesa sthn Enwmenh Eyrwph. Pisteyoyme oti mia programmatikh synergasia einai aparaithth, einai swsth kai apotelei monodromo, kata thn apoch mas.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, sxetika me thn taktikh poy akoloyqoyn oi kyrioi Reppas kai Spyropoylos gyrw apo to asfalistiko. Stis synanthseis poy eixe me toys koinwnikoys etairoys xqes kai proxqes, anefere ti skeptetai h kybernhsh gia toys sygkekrimenoys kladoys poy ekproswpoyn, apefyge omws gia allh mia fora na anaferqei sto qema ths xrhmatodothshs, eite trimeroys, eite mono toy kratoys -na milhsei gia th dikh toy syndromh- se ayto to stadio. Giati ayth h mystikopaqeia;

XYTHRHS: Einai enas dialogos, o opoios synexizetai. Profanws, ta merh poy symmetexoyn sto dialogo exoyn tis erwthseis toys, tis opoies kataqetoyn kai syzhtoyn ekei. Kai pairnoyn, ekei, tis apanthseis. O dialogos aytos synexizetai swsta -tis dhlwseis tis gnwrizete- kai pisteyw oti me th synergasia poy yparxei qa exei kai aisio peras. Kai ayto einai poly kalo gia toys Ellhnes ergazomenoys kai gia ena asfalistiko systhma dikaio kai biwsimo.

MIXAHL: Den moy apanthsate. O dialogos den ginetai mono metajy oswn parabriskontai gyrw apo to trapezi, apo th mia oi ypoyrgoi kai apo thn allh oi ekproswpoi twn koinwnikwn forewn. Ginetai kai dhmosia, oxi dia kapoiwn oi opoioi "den exoyn amesh sxesh me to qema" -poy oloi mas ligo-poly exoyme, giati oloys mas noiazei- alla kai twn idiwn twn syzhtoyntwn, oi opoioi meta kanoyn dhlwseis. Exoyn qesei, loipon, qema oti sto erwthma poy exoyn balei stoys kyrioys Reppa kai Spyropoylo, den exoyn parei apanthsh, giati den desmeyontai h giati den lene ti skeptontai gia to qema ths xrhmatodothshs. Kai ayto sas to lew, giati xqes eidame, se syzhthsh se thleoptiko staqmo, oti epaneilhmmenws teqhke to qema -to poy qa ta breite einai zhthma mias allhs syzhthshs- giati den leei ean qa xrhmatodothsei kai kata poso qa xrhmatodothsei ayth thn prospaqeia h kybernhsh. Einai, dhladh, qema taktikhs;

XYTHRHS: Kat` arxas, exei doqei apanthsh oti h xrhmatodothsh qa einai trimerhs. Apo ekei kai pera to ycos ths xrhmatodothshs ejartatai akribws apo thn poreia toy dialogoy kai thn antimetwpish twn qematwn, ta opoia, ena-ena, tiqentai. Apo ekei qa bgei kai to poso kai to ycos toy. Opws antilambaneste kai o k. Polyzwgopoylos ekproswpwntas th GSEE, kai o k. Papaspyroy ekproswpwntas thn ADEDY, gia to qema ayto -opws oloi kai eseis asfalws- exoyn endiaferon. Epomenws, me thn proodo toy dialogoy, qa yparjoyn apanthseis se ola.

MIXAHL: Lete oti exei doqei apanthsh gia trimerh xrhmatodothsh. Poies eggyhseis yparxoyn pws, ean symfwnhsete pragmati me toys koinwnikoys foreis se kapoia sygkekrimena shmeia -den xreiazetai na mpoyme se leptomereies- kai peite meta ws kybernhsh, oti "jerete, gi` ayta ta shmeia poy symfwnoyme mporoyme na symballoyme me tosa", ta opoia mporei na apodeixqoyn poly ligotera apo ayta poy xreiazontai. Pws qa mporesete, poies eggyhseis yparxoyn pros toys koinwnikoys etairoys na poyn, an den jeroyn ti qa balete eseis, oti symfwnoyn h oxi;

XYTHRHS: Mhn kanete ypoqetikes erwthseis. Afhste to dialogo na ejelixqei kai na eiste sigoyroi oti oi koinwnikoi etairoi exoyn ameso endiaferon.

IWANNOY: Sthn ekpomph ths kas Stah, xqes ston ANT1, se erwthsh toy Giwrgoy Aytia, o k. Spyropoylos afhse anoixto to endexomeno to kratos na brei xrhmata mesw newn eisforwn. Epibebaiwnete h diaceydete ayth thn eidhsh, poy eipe o k. Spyropoylos, allwste: Eipe "den yparxoyn polloi alloi tropoi".

XYTHRHS: Otan to kratos eggyatai kati, ayto shmainei oti etsi qa ginei. To prwto, epomenws, einai h eggyhsh ths trimeroys xrhmatodothshs. Apo ekei kai pera, to ycos qa bgei mesa apo to dialogo.

IWANNOY: Gia tis nees eisfores poy sas rwthsa;

XYTHRHS: Qa doyme to ycos. Apo ekei ejartwntai ola.

KANELLOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh synexizei na symmerizetai apoceis poy exoyn diatypwqei, oti "o SEB apotelei ena propyrgio, ena "magazi" ths synthrhtikhs paratajhs, ths Dejias" kai oti einai entolodoxos twn symferontwn toy SEB h N.D. kai oysiastika o SEB apotelei "magazi ths Rhgillhs". Sas rwtw, me aformh th xqesinh eklogh toy diadoxoy toy k. Manash ston OTE, opoy ena stelexos toy SEB fainetai na einai diadoxos toy k. Manash.

XYTHRHS: Kat` arxas, me rwtate gia mia dhlwsh poy exei kanei o k. Laliwths.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Nai, akribws.

XYTHRHS: Sas ypenqymizw oti o k. Laliwths ekane kai episkech sto SEB, doqhkan ejhghseis kai yphrje ena poly kalo klima. Ayto ws apanthsh sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas. Gia to deytero skelos poy afora ton OTE, qelw na sas pw oti ta teleytaia xronia o OTE eixe mia poly megalh anodo kai mia anaptyjh toso entos, oso kai ektos Elladas. Se ayto exoyn syneisferei oloi, oi ergazomenoi, h dioikhsh kai o apelqwn Proedros kai dieyqynwn symboylos toy Organismoy k. Manashs. Eimaste sigoyroi oti kai me th nea dioikhsh qa synexistei ayth h poreia anaptyjhs toy OTE, mesa se ena olo kai perissotero antagwnistiko periballon.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Sas rwthsa, ean oi apoceis aytes isxyoyn kai twra. Moy eipate oti yphrje mia synanthsh se kalo klima. Wstoso, exoyn lexqei pragmata ta opoia kalo einai na ta qymomaste. Diabazw: "H hgesia toy SEB apoteleitai apo sygkekrimena proswpa. Ayta ta sygkekrimena proswpa exoyn proxwrhsei se diafores paraskhniakes drasthriothtes". Ti synebh; Laqos ektimhsh eixe kanei tote o k. Laliwths h doqhkan ejhghseis; Kai an doqhkan, poies einai aytes oi ejhghseis;

XYTHRHS: Sas apanthsa. Na sas pw kai kati epipleon: Me thn eklogh toy k. Antwnakopoyloy sth dioikhsh toy OTE, shmainei oti apo thn pleyra toy SEB yparxei empistosynh pros thn kybernhsh kai thn anaptyjh toy sygkekrimenoy organismoy. Ayto einai qetiko.

KANELLOPOYLOS: O k. Antwnakopoylos den htan mplegmenos se diafores paraskhniakes drasthriothtes; Einai prosfates aytes oi dhlwseis.

XYTHRHS: Sas exw apanthsei. Sas eipa kai gia thn episkech toy k. Laliwth sto SEB, kaqws kai gia tis dhlwseis poy eginan sth synexeia.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Ta osa elexqhsan tote -kai diapistwnoyme oloi oti htan baries oi kathgories- den htan pragmati swsta; Giati, exoyme mia strofh 180 moirwn. Twra o SEB apolambanei thn empistosynh ths kybernhshs kai sygkekrimena o k. Antwnakopoylos;

XYTHRHS: Epimenete se mia erwthsh poy hdh exei apanthqei.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Nai, alla eixan kathgorhqei oti htan ferefwna kai "magazi" ths N.D.

XYTHRHS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Einai gegonos oti yparxei mia istorikh apofash, oson afora to Palaistiniako, me th symfwnh gnwmh, malista, twn HPA. Dierwtwmai, giati h Amerikh eqelotyflei -th mia fora to ekane ston Kolpo, opoy swsta parenebh, to kanei kai twra- kai den kanei kamia prospaqeia na pei stoys Toyrkoys na einai pio diallaktikoi, wste na breqei mia dikaih kai monimh lysh sto Kypriako. Qa gnwrizete oti proxqes, sth nea synanthsh Klhridh-Ntenktas, o Ntenktas edwse ena eggrafo pros ton k. Klhridh, to opoio aperrifqh amesws, giati htan aparadekto. Miloyse gia anagnwrish toy ceydokratoys, gia dyo krath kai alla stoixeia poy einai aparadekta. Dierwtwmai, giati h Amerikh 28 xronia ennoei na mhn prospaqei na pei sthn Toyrkia na epilysei to Kypriako, kata tropo dikaio.

XYTHRHS: Rwtate emena na sas pw gia thn Amerikh; Qa sas pw oti h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai staqerh, oti epidiwkoyme th lysh toy Kypriakoy kai sthrizomaste stis apofaseis toy OHE. Apo ayth th staqerh qesh, pisteyoyme oti, meta thn teleytaia fash toy dialogoy, parola osa epishmainete, mporei na prokycei dikaih lysh gia to Kypriako.

IWANNOY: Polloi synadelfoi sas apo th N.D. erwtwmenoi shmera gia ta metra poy ejhggeile xqes h kybernhsh gia thn patajh ths diafqoras, ekfrazoyn thn amfibolia toys gia to poso mporei na einai apotelesmatika kai gia to poso mporei kat` oysia na pataxqei to fainomeno ths diafqoras. Eseis ti pisteyete;

XYTHRHS: O k. Skandalidhs anakoinwse, xqes, ta metra poy lambanei h kybernhsh kata ths diafqoras. Dhlwse eyqarsws poy exoyn parathrhqei fainomena diafqoras. Gia na yparjei, omws, ejaleich toy fainomenoy, ektos apo to sxetiko elegxo kai ta metra poy lambanontai apo thn kybernhsh, xreiazetai h energos symmetoxh twn politwn kai allagh nootropias. Prosqetw kai kati akomh poy epidiwkei h kybernhsh kai to opoio, stis periptwseis aytes, krinetai apotelesmatiko, opws exei deijei h sxetikh peira apo to ejwteriko: Endeiknytai oi synallages twn politwn me tis diafores yphresies toy Dhmosioy na ginontai mesw ths sygxronhs texnologias. Ayto qa apaleicei polles periptwseis diafqoras poy paroysiazontai shmera. Se kaqe periptwsh, h N.D. einai antipoliteysh, kritikh kanei, alla den prepei na jexna oti synwnymo ths Dejias sthn Ellada gia polla xronia yphrje h diafqora.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Gia poia periodo milate k. Ypoyrge;

XYTHRHS: Otan h Dejia htan sta pragmata. Tote, htan kai h diafqora sta pragmata. Politikh diafqora kai oikonomikh diafqora.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Prin apo to 1981, dhladh;

XYTHRHS: Otan htan sta pragmata.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epi Kwnstantinoy Karamanlh ennoeite; Me sygxwreite na to jekaqarisoyme.

XYTHRHS: Otan h Dejia htan sthn kybernhsh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Na ypologisoyme apo to 1950 @.. kai meta;

XYTHRHS: Opote nomizete.

MPOTWNHS: Pws sxoliazete tis toyrkikes pieseis gia dialogo ef` olhs ths ylhs poy ayto diafanhke apo thn prwth synanthsh twn presbeytwn Elladas
-Toyrkias sthn Agkyra kai me dedomeno oti milame gia diekdikhseis kai peran ths yfalokrhpidas; Epishs, qa hqela na mas enhmerwsete ean qa yparjei synanthsh toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Toyrko omologo toy sth Barkelwnh.

XYTHRHS: H prwth synanthsh poy egine metajy twn antiproswpeiwn twn dyo xwrwn htan diereynhtikh. Qa akoloyqhsei kai deyterh, epishs diereynhtikh, synanthsh edw sthn Aqhna. Gia synanthsh metajy twn dyo Prwqypoyrgwn sth Barkelwnh, den gnwrizw.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Me sygxwreite, htan diereynhtikes ontws aytes oi synomilies. To erwthma einai to ejhs: Apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias teqhkan qemata Aigaioy, braxonhsidwn kai alla synafh zhthmata; Allo, an ta aperrice h ellhnikh pleyra. Teqhkan sto trapezi twn synomiliwn ayta ta zhthmata;

XYTHRHS: Sas eipa oti qa akoloyqhsei kai deyterh diereynhtikh synanthsh sthn Aqhna. Ola ayta ta qemata eite tiqentai apo th mia, eite apo thn allh pleyra qa exoyn ena apotelesma kaq` oti oi synanthseis einai diereynhtikes. An to apotelesma einai qetiko qa synexistei o dialogos. Apo to diereynhtiko epipedo qa proxwrhsei se syzhthseis epi ths oysias. An den katalhjoyn aytes oi diereynhtikes synomilies den qa akoloyqhsei peraiterw dialogos. Pros to paron paramenoyme sto diereynhtiko xarakthra twn synomiliwn.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mallon na sas rwthsw diaforetika. Kyrie yfypoyrge Typoy, giati h erwthsh moy afora tis armodiothtes sas ws yfypoyrgoy Typoy....

XYTHRHS: Lege me, Thlemaxe...

MIXAHL: Kyrie Xythrh, loipon, na sas rwthsw, ean parakoloyqeite kai ypoqetw oti parakoloyqeite olh th dhmosia syzhthsh poy ginetai gyrw apo to poy phgainei kai to ti klima kai to ti eikona dinei sthn ellhnikh koinwnia h ellhnikh thleorash. Kai pio sygkekrimena, me olh ayth th syzhthsh peri twn diaforwn ekpompwn typoy Bar, typoy Big brother, h emporikh thleorash kat` arxhn elegxetai; Epeidh, loipon, anakoinwnontai ychles thleqeaseis, eseis ws ypoyrgeio elegxete thn etaireia poy kanei aytes tis thleqeaseis; An oxi eseis, kapoios allos foreas poy leei, pws metrate thn thleqeash, ti eikona dinete, giati to kanete ayto; Yparxei ayth h diadikasia poyqena, ginetai apo kapoion;

XYTHRHS: H diadikasia ths metrhshs ths thleqeashs ginetai apo ejeidikeymenes etaireies sthn eleyqerh agora. Oi etaireies aytes analambanoyn me sygkekrimenes meqodoys na kanoyn aytes tis metrhseis. Ean ta kanalia empisteyontai tis metrhseis aytes, einai diko toys qema. Ta kanalia anaqetoyn se aytes tis etaireies na kanoyn analoges metrhseis gia diafores ekpompes.

MIXAHL: Elegxos ginetai; Ayto rwtaw. Ean ginetai elegxos aytwn twn metrhsewn apo kapoion epoptiko forea, an oxi apo to ypoyrgeio, apo kapoion allon;

XYTHRHS: Profanws, oi etaireies aytes den einai afaneis, ypokeintai se elegxoys, opws kai kaqe etaireia.

MIXAHL: Ws oikonomikh drasthriothta.

XYTHRHS: Apo ekei kai pera einai qema -epanalambanw- to pws eklambanetai apo kaqe kanali h ajiopistia aytwn twn metrhsewn. Kai ennow ton tropo me ton opoio ginontai aytes oi metrhseis, pws lambanontai ta sxetika deigmata k.lp..

MIXAHL: Exete pistopoihsei ayta ta apotelesmata twn metrhsewn, giati afora kai thn kratikh thleorash thn opoia epopteyete. Gia paradeigma, oles oi metrhseis deixnoyn xamhlh thleqeash ths ERT. Eseis exete pistopoihsei pws prokyptei ayth h thleqeash kai, telos pantwn, ti apotelesmata bgazei;

XYTHRHS: Oi metrhseis ginontai basei deigmatos. Se kaqe ereyna to deigma ayto exei megalh shmasia, prwtisth qa elega. Shmasia exei kai mia seira apo alla erwthmata poy symperilambanei h sxetikh ereyna. Me bash ayta ta dedomena kaqenas bgazei ta symperasmata toy.

MIXAHL: H kratikh thleorash, giati den symmetexei se ayth th diadikasia, giati den dexetai na plhrwsei kai na metrhqei kai ayth opws ola ta emporika kanalia kai na pei oti efoson oloi lete kai kybernhtika stelexh kai alloi paragontes oti h kratikh thleorash exei anabaqmistei, giati den metrietai;

XYTHRHS: Den ypodeiknyoyme emeis sthn kratikh thleorash to pws qa leitoyrgei. Diaqetei Dioikhtiko Symboylio, to opoio kai apofasizei. O proedros kai dieyqynwn symboylos ths ERT A.E., o opoios einai ypeyqynos gia to manatzment, apofasizei gia thn politikh poy qa akoloyqhsei se diaforoys tomeis.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Epanerxomai se ayto poy sas rwthsa sthn arxh. Mhpws mporeite na moy peite, ean symmorfwqhke o SEB stis kathgories poy toy eixan apodoqei h allaje gnwmh h kybernhsh;

XYTHRHS: Giati epimenete toso poly;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den epimenw, mia dieykrinish zhtw. Symmorfwqhke o SEB...

XYTHRHS: Giati epimenete gia mia epilogh poy ekane h genikh syneleysh twn metoxwn toy OTE;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den sas katalaba. H erwthsh moy einai allh: Symmorfwqhke o SEB se aytes tis parathrhseis kai tis kataggelies poy eginan eis baros toy h h kybernhsh diapistwse oti htan laqos kai isws yperbolikes kai fqasame shmera se ayto to apotelesma;

XYTHRHS: Sas apanthsa stis prohgoymenes erwthseis poy moy qesate kai htan paremfereis.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mporeite na moy epanalabate thn apanthsh sas;

XYTHRHS: Sas epanalambanw oti yphrje synanthsh toy k. Laliwth me to SEB.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Doqhkan dieykriniseis;

XYTHRHS: Exoyn ginei dhlwseis kai sas parapempw se aytes.

Sas eyxaristw.

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