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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 14 Febroyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qelw, prwta ap` ola, prin eiselqoyme sth syzhthsh toy basikoy qematos poy qa mas apasxolhsei shmera, na anaferqw se orismenes eisagwgikes parathrhseis poy ekane sth shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy o Prwqypoyrgos. Anaferqhke se orismena genikotera qemata ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

Me aformh orismena dhmosieymata ypogrammise oti den einai ayth h eikona ths pragmatikothtas. Yparxoyn ejelijeis poy apodeiknyoyn thn apotelesmatikothta ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Anefere xarakthristika, anamesa se aytes tis ejelijeis, thn epityxia toy eyrw kai th synexish ths anaptyjiakhs prospaqeias me ychloys ryqmoys, gegonos poy apodeiknyei oti h oikonomikh poreia mas einai pragmati qetikh. Anaferqhke ston plhqwrismo, poy opws eixame problecei, ton Ianoyario htan pragmati kapws ayjhmenos. Ejaitias kai twn kairikwn synqhkwn, poy yphrjan sthn arxh toy etoys, ayjhqhke ligo perissotero. Omws, o plhqwrismos qa akoloyqhsei -opws epishmane o Prwqypoyrgos- mia ptwtikh poreia toys epomenoys mhnes kai qa fanei oti h anodos toy Ianoyarioy htan sygkyriakh.

Anaferqhke, epishs, sthn proodo poy shmeiwnetai se o,ti afora thn ylopoihsh toy G@ KPS kai proanhggeile oti, pros ta telh Martioy, qa ginei mia anaskophsh ths prospaqeias mas, h opoia qa synexistei ameiwta.

Anefere , epishs kai alloys tomeis stoys opoioys ylopoieitai to programma mas, opws o tomeas ths energeias, ston opoio to programma mas proxwra me idiaitera qetikoys ryqmoys -eixe malista sxetikh syzhthsh me ton armodio Ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs A. Tsoxatzopoylo- alla kai mia seira apo megala sxedia poy ejelissontai kai qa dwsoyn mia poly kalh, mia qetikh eikona.

Anaferqhke, bebaia kai sthn anagkh na prowqhsoyme me taxythta to synolo toy ergoy mas. Einai gegonos oti yparxoyn antidraseis se kapoies anagkaies allages, poy qa dwsoyn wqhsh sth genikoterh poreia ths xwras mas. Opws, gia paradeigma, oi antidraseis poy yphrjan apo toys panepisthmiakoys iatroys kai oi antidraseis poy yphrjan sto xwro twn TEI. Emeis, omws -opws ypogrammise o Prwqypoyrgos- prepei na doylecoyme gia na mhn anastaloyn aytes oi allages kai prepei na synexisoyme thn prospaqeia mas, wste na feroyme se peras to ergo poy exoyme proanaggeilei ston ellhniko lao.

Tonise akoma oti sthn periodo poy akoloyqei mexri to Septembrh, qa proxwrhsoyn orismena poly megala qemata, opws, gia paradeigma, to asfalistiko, h forologikh metarryqmish, to G@ K.P.S., h proetoimasia ths xwras gia thn Proedria ths E.E., poy qewreitai idiaitera shmantikh, h proodos sta eqnika qemata kai orismenes ryqmiseis gia tis sxeseis mas me ta Balkania.

Ypogrammise oti parallhla me ola ayta, me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia, merimna kai frontida, qa proseggisoyme kai ta alla problhmata toy ellhnikoy laoy, dinontas se kaqe periptwsh tis lyseis poy apaitoyntai.

Zhthse apo oloys toys ypoyrgoys na yparxoyn emperistatwmenes kai akribeis apanthseis stis dhlwseis ths N.D., wste na gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos, poia akribws einai h politikh mas. Zhthse akoma idiaiterh prosoxh sth synergasia mas me toys koinwnikoys foreis, alla kai emmonh ston koinwniko dialogo, wste na ejasfalizoyme pantote thn eyryterh dynath synainesh stis epiloges poy ginontai.

Kleinontas thn eisagwgikh parembash toy, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sto qema ths hmerhsias diatajhs, sthn politikh mas gia ta MME. Tonise oti ta MME apoteloyn qemeliwdh qesmo ths Dhmokratias, giati o rolos toys einai anantikatastatos, einai rolos kritikhs kai elegxoy aparaithtos. Omws, h kritikh, thn opoia bebaiws exoyn dikaiwma na askoyn, syndeetai me thn ypoxrewsh ths eyqynhs -eleyqeria me eyqynh- opws epishs kai me ena plaisio, to opoio prepei na ejasfalizei diafaneia, gia na mhn yparxoyn ekmetalleyseis kai kataxrhseis oikonomikhs ejoysias.

Oloi prepei na exoyme syneidhsh -epishmane o Prwqypoyrgos- oti h ryqmish ayth qa apotelesei antikeimeno entonhs dhmosias syzhthshs kai edwse entolh na yparjei koinwnikos dialogos kai se ena mhna apo shmera, na erqei sth Boylh to sxetiko nomosxedio.

Akoloyqhse oloklhrwmenh syzhthsh kai telika doqhke entolh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio na proxwrhsoyme to prosxedio nomoy poy sas exei dianemhqei kai exete sth diaqesh sas.

O fakelos poy exete sta xeria sas exei:

-Ston ariqmo 1, ena eisagwgiko shmeiwma gia thn politikh mas, sto opoio qa anaferqw.

-Ston ariqmo 2, yparxei h protash toy prosxedioy nomoy me ton titlo: ``periorismoi sth synach dhmosiwn symbasewn me proswpa ta opoia drasthriopoioyntai h symmetexoyn se epixeirhseis MME''.

-Ston ariqmo 3, yparxei o kwdikas deontologias toy ESR kai se ayto qa anaferqw sth synexeia.

-Ston ariqmo 4, yparxei ena enhmerwtiko shmeiwma gia thn ejelijh ths diadikasias xorhghshs adeiwn se thleoptikoys staqmoys eleyqerhs lhchs kai th xorhghsh adeiwn gia paroxh radiothleoptikwn syndromhtikwn yphresiwn, kai

-Ston ariqmo 5, yparxei mia analytikh anafora stis oikonomikes ypoxrewseis twn radiothleoptikwn staqmwn kai enas katalogos me ta prostima ycoys 1,6 dis. draxmwn, poy exoyn mexri twra epiblhqei.

Opws, hdh, sas eipa, proxwroyme shmera se mia akoma parembash, me bash to triptyxo nomimothta, diafaneia, poiothta. H sxesh mas me ta MME, opws xarakthristika tonise kai o Prwqypoyrgos, qeloyme na kaqorizetai apo to triptyxo ayto. Ayto exoyme kanei apo to 1995 kai meta, me tis parembaseis poy exoyme anaptyjei kai th nomoqesia poy exoyme eisagei.

Epixeirhsame, apo to 1995, na baloyme tajh se ena topio sto opoio yphrxe plhrhs anarxia kai asydosia. O nomos poy chfise h ``sygkybernhsh'' toy 1989, idiaitera, omws, opws ton efarmose h kybernhsh Mhtsotakh, meta to 1990, odhghse se mia aney orwn, plaisiwn kai kanonismwn xorhghsh -entos pollwn eisagwgikwn- ``adeiwn'' se thleoptikoys kai radiofwnikoys staqmoys me apotelesma na dhmioyrghqei plhrhs anarxia kai asydosia kai ena topio antagwnismoy xwris oroys, xwris kanones, xwris plaisio kai xwris oria, poy gennhse dysmeneis katastaseis, tis opoies akomh kai shmera plhrwnoyme. Yparxei sobarh eyqynh ths N.D. gia olh ayth thn katastash.

Oi kybernhseis toy PASOK, me to nomo 2328/1995, to legomeno ``nomo Benizeloy'', alla sth synexeia me thn idiaitera sobarh doyleia toy tote Ypoyrgoy Typoy Dhmhtrh Reppa, prospaqhsame na baloyme tajh se olo ayto to topio.

Qelw na qymisw oti yphrjan peripoy 60 dioikhtikes prajeis, Proedrika Diatagmata kai ypoyrgikes apofaseis poy ekdoqhkan se efarmogh toy nomoy aytoy, yphrjan neoi nomoi poy katartisthkan kai chfisthkan eidika gia to ESR, yphrje to P.D. 100 kai yphrje kai o nomos me ton opoio ryqmizontai, kai malista me idiaitera qetiko tropo, ta qemata syndromhtikhs thleorashs. To ESR apekthse diaxronikh ypostash, domh, episthmones, anabaqmisthkan ta melh toy. Den einai pia h diakommatikh epitroph poy apla apoteleito apo ena aqroisma kommatikwn ekproswpwn, opws synebaine kata thn enarjh ths leitoyrgias toy.

Qelw na tonisw oti me tis parembaseis, me to plaisio poy fernoyme shmera, ayto to triptyxo, nomimothta, diafaneia, poiothta, ejyphretei apolyta. Den mporoyme me to xtyphma kapoioy magikoy rabdioy na fqasoyme jafnika, apo ena topio poy paleyoyme edw kai polla xronia na allajoyme me arketes epityxies, se mia rodinh katastash. Exoyme poly dromo akoma. Eimaste apofasismenoi na prowqhsoyme kai na efarmosoyme apolyta to nomoqetiko plaisio. Eimaste apofasismenoi na anabaqmisoyme to organo poy qa prwtostathsei sthn anabaqmish kai efarmogh aytoy toy plaisioy, to ESR dhladh kai na to enisxysoyme perissotero. Bebaiws, meta to neo diorismo poy qa kanei to Koinoboylio, me pleiochfia toylaxiston twn 4/5, ean oxi me omofwnia, qa symbaloyme oloi, ajiopoiwntas th mexri twra qetikh empeiria ths shmerinhs dioikhshs, na metatrapei se plhrws anejarthto organo, xwris kan ton elegxo nomimothtas toy ypoyrgeioy. Etsi qa mporei na mas eggyhqei pws o,ti chfizoyme, to plaisio ths Politeias, efarmozetai aparegklita kai aysthra pros oles tis kateyqynseis. Epishs, to ypoyrgeio einai apofasismeno, oxi mono na prowqhsei gia chfish kai na efarmosei ena swsto nomo, alla na parei kai mia seira alles prwtoboylies, oi opoies qa baloyn oristikh tajh sto radiothleoptiko topio, me nomimothta, diafaneia kai poiothta se oloys toys tomeis.

Sth dyskolh prospaqeia mas, poy qa perasei apo polla stadia kai anamfibola synanta empodia, xreiazetai h symbolh olwn. Se ekeinoys poy prepei prwta na apeyqynqoyme einai oloi oi organwmenoi foreis, ta politika kommata, alla kai oi aploi polites. Na toys poyme oti einai aparaithth h anagkh na symbaloyn se ayth thn prospaqeia, giati qa diamorfwsoyme kai mia nea sxesh, metajy ths organwmenhs Politeias kai twn MME. Mia nea sxesh poy na sthrizetai stis paradoxes toy asymbibastoy, metajy basikoy metoxoy radiothleoptikoy Mesoy h efhmeridas kai epixeirhmatia poy synallassetai me to Dhmosio, alla kai sthn tajh kai toys kanones poy fernei h xorhghsh twn adeiwn. Na diamorfwsoyme kai mia nea sxesh poiothtas sthn thleorash, poy qa ypobohqhqei kai apo toys kwdikes deontologias, alla kai apo thn anabaqmish toy ESR. Pisteyoyme oti ayth h apoch poy qa perigracw qa diamorfwqei sthn koinwnia. Ayth h nea apoch poy qa diamorfwqei ston polith, qa mas bohqhsei sto ergo mas, sth doyleia mas kai qa ferei sigoyra polla apotelesmata. Se ayto to plaisio qa doyme kai th genikoterh anabaqmish ths leitoyrgias ths kratikhs radiothleorashs, ajiopoiwntas ta qetika bhmata poy exoyn ginei mexri twra -kai einai polla- se synergasia me th nea dioikhsh poy qa prokycei meta tis 4 Martioy kai h opoia mporei na apotelesei to protypo, ton odhgo sthn prospaqeia ths poiothtas poy oloi epiqymoyme.

Qa anaferqw, analytika, sto prosxedio nomoy.:

Kat` arxas, yparxei h protash gia sxedio nomoy. Den einai to teliko sxedio. To nomosxedio qa erqei meta apo ena mhna sth Boylh. Epi ena mhna qa ginei o sxetikos dialogos me oloys toys foreis. Sto dialogo, kat` arxas, qa prepei na symmetexoyn oi dhmosiografikes organwseis. Dinoyme idiaitero baros sth symmetoxh twn dhmosiografwn kai sthn empeiria toys apo to dhmosiografiko kwdika. Gi` ayto, shmera, stis 7 to apogeyma, qa episkefqoyme ta grafeia ths ESHEA, opoy qa exoyme synanthsh me to D.S. kai ayrio, stis 13.30, qa exoyme synanthsh me thn POESY. Qa epakoloyqhsoyn synanthseis kai me tis alles dhmosiografikes organwseis, bebaiws kai thn ESHEM, alla kai tis eparxiakes enwseis. Gi` ayto to logo qa metabw sth Qessalonikh, sto telos toy mhna. Qa ginoyn syzhthseis me toys idiokthtes twn efhmeridwn kai twn radiofwnwn kai epeidh edw den yparxei foreas, qa epidiwjoyme synanthseis me toys idiokthtes twn thleoptikwn staqmwn.

Epishs, qa yparjoyn synergasies me ta politika kommata. Xairomai, giati, antapokrinomenoi sth sxetikh prosklhsh mas, o SYN kai to KKE, exoyn orisei toys ekproswpoys toys. Qa toys aposteiloyme taxista to sxetiko yliko kai qa arxisoyme, to taxytero dynato, kai me aytoys, thn prospaqeia koinhs epejergasias toy sxedioy. H N.D., ws gnwsto, arnhqhke na orisei ekproswpo. Thn afhnoyme sth monajia ths. Ejalloy, ferei th basikh eyqynh gia thn katastash poy dhmioyrghqhke. Arneitai to dialogo, arneitai opoiadhpote prospaqeia synaineshs kai majimalizei. Ws gnwsto, leei polla, aytos poy den qelei na ginei tipota, aytos poy qelei h katastash na synexisei na einai asydoth kai anarxh.

Epishs, qa yparjei apostolh toy sxetikoy ylikoy kai prospaqeia dialogoy kai me foreis poy, kata tekmhrio, ekfrazoyn thn organwmenh koinwnia, opws einai h GSEE kai oi ergodotikes organwseis poy ypografoyn thn eqnikh genikh syllogikh symbash ergasias. To idio qa epidiwjoyme na ginei kai me ta tria panepisthmia poy exoyn tmhmata Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs.

Qelw, epishs, na pw oti eimai anoiktos sto dialogo kai me opoiondhpote allo forea epiqymei na kataqesei tis apoceis toy.

Sto prwto arqro toy nomoy, ginontai oi basikoi orismoi gia to asymbibasto kai tis alles diatajeis. Orizoyme ti ennooyme "epixeirhsh Meswn Mazikhs Enhmerwshs" kai ti ennooyme "eyrytero dhmosio tomea". Perilambanoyme, oso to dynato, mia ektetamenh anafora sto dhmosio tomea, giati den qeloyme na yparxoyn epixeirhseis poy elegxei to Dhmosio, oi opoies den qa ypagontai stis diatajeis toy nomoy. Kaqorizoyme stis dhmosies symbaseis ena orio 250.000 eyrw kai anw, gia na mporoyme na to elegjoyme. Fysika, den mporoyme na elegjoyme thn paramikrh symbash toy Dhmosioy, twn 2, 3, 5 ekatommyriwn, giati yparxoyn kai problhmata diadikasiwn elegxoy. Den mporei, omws, na ginetai katatmhsh enos ergoy. Yparxei rhth diatajh nomoy gi` ayto. Tiqetai ena orio 250.000 eyrw, poy einai antikeimeno syzhthshs kai kaqorizetai kai h ennoia toy basikoy metoxoy me dyo tropoys:

Prwton, ws basikos metoxos orizetai kaqe fysiko h nomiko proswpo poy exei 5% kai anw sto metoxiko kefalaio ths epixeirhshs. Taytoxrona, omws, ws basikos metoxos qewreitai kai aytos poy exei ligotero apo 5%, ean einai o prwtos metoxos ths epixeirhshs, ean dhladh exei tis perissoteres metoxes, se sygkrish me toys alloys. Ean katexei dikaiwma kai gia alloys metoxoys, poy anebainoyn panw apo to 5%, ean exei dikaiwma na diorizei dyo melh D.S. apo to katastatiko h ena melos poy exei ektelestika kaqhkonta, einai dhladh proedros, antiproedros, dieyqynwn symboylos, symprattwn symboylos me ektelestika kaqhkonta kai toy dinei th dynatothta to katastatiko na exei mia ejoysia me ligotero apo 5% h einai basikos promhqeyths ths epixeirhshs. Dhladh, mporei na exei mia metoxh, alla mporei na promhqeyei thn epixeirhsh h na synallassetai mazi ths me panw apo to 1/5 toy tziroy ths. Kai aytos sthn oysia askei epirroh, ara mporei na onomastei basikos metoxos.

Opws blepete, kanoyme ena syndyasmo. Den einai mono to 5%. Yparxei kai seira diatajewn poy kai me ligotero apo 5% mporei na yparjei o xarakthrismos toy basikoy metoxoy. Den qeloyme na yparxei kanenas poy na exei epirroh sthn epixeirhsh kai na mhn ypagetai sto qema toy asymbibastoy.

Edw, qelw na anaferw ena paradeigma poy apanta se ayto poy eipe h N.D.

Ean pame sth logikh ths mias metoxhs kai den milhsoyme gia basiko metoxo, tote qa mporei opoiosdhpote na mplokarei opoiadhpote epixeirhsh. Dhladh, ean tyxaia mia epixeirhsh MME, poy einai eishgmenh sto Xrhmatisthrio -kai mporei, opws gnwrizete, na agorazei metoxes kai na exei xartofylakio- parei mia metoxh mias epixeirhshs poy synallassetai me to Dhmosio, kata th N.D., mporei na thn mplokarei. Ayta den einai sobara pragmata. Idiaitera se mia anoikth oikonomia poy leitoyrgei Xrhmatisthrio prepei na yparxoyn kapoia oria poy na kaqorizoyn ti shmainei epirroh. Epirroh den shmainei oyte mia, oyte deka, oyte ekato metoxes, ean yparxoyn ekatommyria se mia eishgmenh epixeirhsh.

Sth synexeia, perigrafoyme ti shmainei "dieyqyntika stelexh" kai erxomaste sto idiaitera sobaro qema twn parenqetwn kai twn oikonomika ejarthmenwn proswpwn poy anaferei to Syntagma. Perigrafoyme safws oti stis kathgories toy asymbibastoy qa paei kai opoiodhpote proswpo einai oikonomika ejarthmeno h energei basei genikhs h eidikhs symfwnias, kaq` ypodeijh h entolh alloy, opws, epishs kai ena fysiko h nomiko proswpo poy fainetai, alla den exei oikonomikh aytoteleia kai den mporei na thn apodeijei. Sto arqro 2, perigrafetai akribws ayth h apagoreysh ths synachs dhmosiwn symbasewn me epixeirhseis MME. Tonizoyme oti, epishs, perilambanei toys syzygoys kai toys syggeneis aperiorista kai ek plagioy, mexri kai tetartoy baqmoy kai twn fysikwn proswpwn poy empiptoyn sth diatajh ths par. 1, efoson den mporoyn na apodeijoyn oti diaqetoyn oikonomikh aytoteleia se sxesh me ta proswpa ayta. Gia to skopo ayto, yparxei epafh kai me to ESR, oi episthmones toy oi opoioi exoyn, hdh, epejergastei kai efarmozoyn apo twra, gia tis thleoptikes adeies, ta dikaiologhtika poy zhtoyn gia ton elegxo toy poqen esxes, se sxesh me problhmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me dhlwseis ths eforias, me pinakia metoxwn kai me otidhpote dikaiologhtiko poy prepei na elegxqei kai poy apodeiknyei thn yparjh h mh oikonomikhs aytoteleias. Gnwrizete oti symfwna me to Syntagma den mporei kaneis na apagoreysei se kanenan -ayto qa htan mia oloklhrwtikh antilhch- na exei th dikh toy epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta. Mporei na thn exei, alla prepei na apodeiknyei kai thn oikonomikh aytoteleia toy.

Epishs, tonizoyme oti kapoios kai xwris na einai metoxos, ean askei -kai ayto mporei na apodeixqei amesa h emmesa- oysiwdh epirroh sth lhch twn apofasewn mias epixeirhshs, kai apokaleitai aytos basikos metoxos kai ypagetai sto asymbibasto. Kai ayto, bebaiws, einai pros apodeijh. Apo thn apagoreysh toy parontos arqroy, ejairoyntai orismenes drasthriothtes twn MME, opws gia paradeigma, na mhn perilabei mia efhmerida mia kratikh diafhmish h mia diafhmish gia to G` KPS. Ayto einai aytonohto.

Sto arqro 3, yparxei epishs to asymbibasto gia tis epixeirhseis.

Sto arqro 4, perigrafetai h ypoxrewsh gia diastayrwsh twn stoixeiwn poy anatiqetai sto ESR. Ayto xorhgei ta pistopoihtika. Kamia anaqetoysa arxh toy Dhmosioy den mporei na katoxyrwsei diagwnismo h anaqesh, ean den yparxei to pistopoihtiko toy ESR, mesa apo mia safh diadikasia poy perigrafoyme. Qa einai akyres oi symbaseis ekeines poy den exoyn thrhsei th diadikasia toy arqroy 4 toy prosxedioy nomoy poy paroysiazoyme.

Sto arqro 5, yparxoyn oi kyrwseis poy einai aysthres gia tis epixeirhseis kai ta fysika proswpa poy parabainoyn tis sxetikes diatajeis, oi opoies einai idiaitera aysthres kai ektetamenes gia na perilaboyn oles tis periptwseis. Dinoyn dynatothta sto ESR na kleinei kai thn periptwsh kapoioy poy den einai metoxos, alla emfanws exei ephreasei th lhch apofashs ths epixeirhshs.

Sto arqro 6, epiballetai h synergasia olwn twn forewn toy Dhmosioy gia na dieykolynoyn to ergo toy ESR ston tomea ayto.

Erxomai sto qema toy Kwdika Deontologias. Stis 27 kai 28 Febroyarioy to ESR, opws gnwrizete, exei programmatisei mia dihmerida thn opoia onomazei "diaboyleysh", akribws gia na syzhthqoyn qemata poy syndeontai me tis eidhseis kai tis enhmerwtikes ekpompes kai gyrw apo th deontologia aytwn. Qelw na pisteyw oti o Kwdikas aytos, o opoios shmera tiqetai ypoch sas kai einai protash toy ESR, qa employtistei mesa apo to dialogo poy qa ginei. Qelw na zhthsw apo oloys toys endiaferomenoys foreis na steiloyn tis apoceis toys gia ton Kwdika deontologias twn enhmerwtikwn, eidhseografikwn kai politikwn ekpompwn sto ESR. Ekei qa ginei h telikh epejergasia kai sth synexeia qa mas apostalei h protash toy, prokeimenoy na th metatrecoyme se P.D., to opoio qa mporei na parakoloyqeitai kai na efarmozetai apo to neo ESR.

Einai mia diadikasia poy jekina, poy prepei na oloklhrwqei kai poy mas bohqa idiaitera na dwsoyme th maxh ths poiothtas ths enhmerwshs, ths poiothtas twn eidhsewn.

Qelw na jekaqarisw oti qa proxwrhsoyme grhgora -kai ayth einai entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy- sta zhthmata ths xorhghshs adeiwn gia thleoptikoys kai radiofwnikoys staqmoys.

Opws exw proanaggeilei, exw ypogracei hdh tis 27 adeies ths Qessalonikhs kai sygkentrwnoyme mexri tis 12 Martioy toys texnikoys fakeloys poy problepei o nomos. Sth synexeia qa staloyn sto ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn, to opoio entos dimhnoy prokeitai na mas steilei tis adeies, oi opoies qa ekdoqoyn me dioikhtikh prajh. Ara, apo ton Ioynio qa exoyme plhrh tajh se ayto to qema. Qelw na pw oti osoi staqmoi den qa exoyn adeia, qa ypoxrewqoyn na kleisoyn. To idio qa ginei kai gia toys radiostaqmoys ths Aqhnas. Perimenw ta epishma praktika -dioti exw hdh eidopoihqei gia thn apofash- toy ESR, ews to telos ths ebdomadas, wste sth synexeia na syntaxqei kai na ekdoqei h ypoyrgikh apofash kai gia toys 15 enapomeinantes radiofwnikoys staqmoys ths Aqhnas. Ypenqymizw oti radiofwnikes adeies htan 20 arxika, poy exoyn doqei, kai 15 epipleon twra.

Exw synennohqei me to ESR na epitaxynqei idiaitera h diadikasia ths adeiodothshs gia toys eji thleoptikoys staqmoys eqnikhs embeleias. Entos toy Febroyarioy qa yparjei, opws me exoyn enhmerwsei, apofash toy ESR -oxi oloklhrwsh ths diadikasias- kai meta qa proxwrhsei h sxetikh diadikasia apo to ypoyrgeio, dhladh o elegxos nomimothtas k.t.l.

Apo ekei kai pera, qelw na prosejete ta prostima poy exoyn epiblhqei, giati akoyme kai grafontai orismenes fores oti den yparxoyn prostima. Kai prostima yparxoyn -1,6 disekatommyria draxmes einai to ycos toys mexri twra- kai xrhmata pairnoyme apo thleoptikoys staqmoys gia th xorhghsh twn syxnothtwn. Qelw na tonisw oti oi syxnothtes den anhkoyn stoys idiwtes, einai dhmosio agaqo kata to arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos.

Qelw epishs na sas enhmerwsw oti -kai meta apo erwthma poy ekane o Proedros ths Boylhs Apostolos Kaklamanhs- sto dialogo qa teqei kai to qema toy kata poson xreiazetai na proxwrhsoyme kai se neoys nomoys gia thn thleoptikh kalych twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs. Opws gnwrizete, oi ergasies ths Boylhs kalyptontai se ikanopoihtiko baqmo apo thn kratikh radiothleorash. Gnwrizete oti metadidontai ej oloklhroy oi syzhthseis, gia paradeigma, twn politikwn arxhgwn, o Proypologismos, basikes syzhthseis, enw yparxoyn kai eidikes ekpompes gia to nomoqetiko ergo.

Gnwrizete, epishs, oti kai stis dyo chfiakes platformes poy yparxoyn ayth th stigmh, yparxei h ypoxrewsh apo th symbash toys -kai to throyn ejalloy- na metadidoyn dwrean to synolo twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs. Prokeitai, dhladh, gia to kanali "Boylh" kai stis dyo chfiakes platformes. Ayta problepontai apo to nomo. Apo to dialogo qa ektimhqei an prepei na lhfqoyn kai prosqeta metra. Einai ena qema poy qa qesoyme sth diarkeia twn epafwn mas me oles tis Enwseis kai qa apofasisoyme ws to telos toy mhna. Opoiosdhpote endiaferomenos mporei, epishs, na kataqesei tis apoceis toy.

Telos, qelw na tonisw ena shmeio akomh. Akoysa xqes ekproswpoys ths N.D. na mas lene oti den ylopoioyme ta ypoloipa kommatia twn arqrwn 14 kai 15 toy Syntagmatos. Qelw na toys ypenqymisw -dioti orismenoi ej aytwn eprepe na to gnwrizoyn- oti ean h yparxoysa nomoqesia kalyptei tis apaithseis toy Syntagmatos, den xreiazetai kat` anagkh na allajei. Kai eidika gia ta prwta edafia sto arqro 14 paragrafos 9 toy Syntagmatos, yparxei plhrhs kai eparkestath nomoqesia, kyriws sto n.2328, alla kai se seira allwn nomwn kai Diatagmatwn, poy apagoreyoyn kai th sygkentrwsh twn Meswn Enhmerwshs, alla kaqorizoyn kai toys oroys diafaneias ths leitoyrgias toys. Giati na kanoyme nea nomoqesia, xwris logo;

Kai deyteron, qelw epishs na ypenqymisw, oti se sxesh me ton ektelestiko nomo gia to arqro 15 toy Syntagmatos yparxei synennohsh me ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn Kwsta Skandalidh kai qa symperilhfqei se oloklhrwmeno nomo poy qa erqei gia th xrhmatodothsh twn kommatwn, twn ypochfiwn kai toys kanones ths proeklogikhs periodoy kai to kommati poy afora ta radiothleoptika Mesa kai tis ypoxrewseis toys.

Qa eprepe, loipon, na ta gnwrizoyn ayta oi anhsyxoyntes. Toys ta ypenqymizw en pash periptwsei gia na ta plhroforhqoyn.

Kleinw, legontas oti qeloyme th bohqeia kai th symbolh sas se ayth thn prospaqeia. To triptyxo "nomimothta - diafaneia - poiothta" kaqorizei tis energeies mas.

Skopos mas einai na baloyme tajh sto radiothleoptiko topio. Me synainesh, alla kai apofasistikothta, me efarmogh twn nomwn, alla kai me dialogo prin proxwrhsoyme stis nees nomoqetikes parembaseis. Me th bohqeia olhs ths organwmenhs koinwnias gia ena swsto Kwdika Deontologias twn ekpompwn. Kai th symbolh olwn mas sth dieykolynsh toy ergoy kai thn anabaqmish toy ESR, gia na exoyme ena isxyro organo poy qa eggyatai th swsth thrhsh twn kanonwn kai thn timwria twn parabatwn.

Me ayto to plaisio, me pollh, organwmenh kai epiponh doyleia, para tis dyskolies poy yparxoyn, pisteyw oti qa kataferoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme kalyteres syneidhseis kai epomenws na epiferoyme kai megalyteres allages sto shmerino topio.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ektos apo ayta poy mas eipate syzhthqhke kai kati allo sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio; Kai anaferomai sygkekrimena gia th basilikh perioysia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws. Egine, omws, mia poly mikrh anafora enhmerwtikoy xarakthra apo ton k. Xristodoylakh kai symfwnhqhke na proxwrhsei h synergasia twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgeiwn, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn kata ton kalytero dynato tropo apo to ellhniko Dhmosio oi paraloges kai proklhtikes apaithseis toy tews basilews.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Posa, dhladh, dinei to ellhniko Dhmosio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den syzhthqhkan posa. Syzhthqhke mia organwtikh diadikasia kalyterhs, plhroys proetoimasias mas, prokeimenoy oi aparadektes kai ejwfrenikes apaithseis toy tews na antimetwpistoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eprepe na perasoyn toses hmeres gia na apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos ston k. Pagkalo oti h eikona ths kybernhshs einai kalh; Giati apo ekei jekinhsan ola ayta ta dhmosieymata oti den yparxei kybernhsh kai den kybernatai o topos. Eprepe na perasei mia ebdomada gia na apanthsei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn to eklabete ws apanthsh se kamia periptwsh. Opws prosejate apo thn anafora moy, prokeitai gia mia qetikh gia to kybernhtiko ergo anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Kai pantote o Prwqypoyrgos -to ekane ejalloy kai me th dhlwsh toy, ejerxomenos toy Proedrikoy Megaroy xqes- anaferetai stis eisagwgikes parathrhseis toy, sth genikoterh proodo toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Prepei na enhmerwnetai o ellhnikos laos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete "opoy yparxei nomoqesia kai kalyptetai den xreiazetai na bgaloyme kainoyrgia". Kai Kwdikas Deontologias yparxei, giati bgazete kainoyrgio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Giati o Kwdikas Deontologias einai apo thn epoxh poy yphrxe monon h ERT. Einai logiko polla na exoyn allajei apo tote. H zwh trexei kai allazei. Prepei ki emeis na prosarmozomaste. Tonizw oti o Kwdikas Deontologias einai protash toy ESR kai oxi dikh mas energeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poy anhkei to ESR, peite mas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den "anhkei", k. Stamatopoyle. Giati an sas pw kai ta proswpa qa diapistwsete oti den "anhkei".

IWANNOY: Sto qema ths basilikhs perioysias, otan eixe anakycei prin apo kapoioys mhnes kai pali ayto to zhthma, eixame akoysei apo ta pio epishma kybernhtika xeilh kai apo ton k. Xythrh kai apo alloys ypoyrgoys, oti to ellhniko Dhmosio den prokeitai na dwsei oyte mia draxmh. Shmera o k. Xristodoylakhs, ejerxomenos apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, ekane kapoia dhlwsh -kai o k. Benizelos- legontas oti "qa dwsoyme mia dyskolh maxh", afhnontas na ennohqei oti qa plhrwsoyme, aplws den jeroyme poso qa epibarynqei to ellhniko Dhmosio. Ti den phge kala;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den einai etsi ta pragmata. Poly orqa milhse o k. Xristodoylakhs -alla kai o k. Benizelos- gia mia dyskolh maxh. Kai qa einai mia dyskolh maxh. Apo ekei kai pera, gia thn kalyterh proetoimasia mas gi ayth th maxh sto stadio ths ekdikashs sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio, yphrje shmera h anafora gia thn anagkaiothta enos plhroys syntonismoy. Exoyn ginei para polles kai swstes prospaqeies pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Eprepe na syzhthqoyn kapoia zhthmata poy aforoyn ton kalytero syntonismo mas. Symfwnhqhke h diadikasia kai na eiste bebaioi oti sthn ypoqesh ayth qa pame etoimoi, me ola ekeina ta epixeirhmata poy qa antikroysoyn tis ejwfrenikes, paraloges kai proklhtikes apaithseis toy tews basilews.

IWANNOY: Bebaia, egw rwthsa gia to oikonomiko skelos. H kybernhsh elege oti den prokeitai na plhrwsei oyte mia draxmh. Ayto fainetai oti anaireitai pleon.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti ayto einai epidiwjh mas. Pame na dwsoyme th maxh etoimoi kai panoploi.

IWANNOY: Eipate prohgoymenws, milwntas gia to asymbibasto, oti "@kai opoio proswpo, anejarthta apo to an exei h oxi metoxh, paizei kapoio oysiastiko rolo stis apofaseis". Ayto pws apodeiknyetai; Milhsate gia apodeiktika stoixeia, alla den eipate kati sygkekrimeno.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxoyn oi arxes opoy mporei na apodeixqei. Otan yparxei enas nomos, o nomos aytos krinetai. Kai krinetai apo oles tis armodies arxes me prosfygh kapoioy.

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MIXAHL: Ta paradeigmata poy efere o k. Shmiths sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oti h katastash sth xwra einai kalh, me to eyrw, gia thn kalh poreia ths oikonomias mas, gia thn energeia, ola ayta einai h mia pleyra. Yparxei, omws, to IKA, ta problhmata me toys agrotes, ta problhmata sthn Paideia, ola ayta poy edwsan thn aformh se synadelfoys sas, alla kai sthn antipoliteysh na poyn oti ayth th stigmh yparxei ena perirreon klima, to opoio einai arnhtiko gia thn kybernhsh kai kapoioi milhsan kai gia ``akybernhsia''. Ti exete na peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaneis den prepei na yioqetei yperboles, dioti otan yioqetoyntai yperboles bgazei idiaitera lanqasmena symperasmata. H xwra kybernatai kai kybernatai kala. Pisteyw oti einai xrhsima ta paradeigmata, giati mas parapempoyn kai se sygkekrimenes periptwseis, tis opoies den prepei na jexname. Bebaiws, safws yparxoyn problhmata. Oydeis isxyristhke pote oti o laos mas den antimetwpizei problhmata kai oti emeis den doyleyoyme mazi me to lao kai konta sto lao gia na lynoyme ayta ta problhmata. Ayto kaname kai sthn periptwsh twn bambakoparagwgwn. Antimetwpisame me megalh synesh , me pollh prosoxh kai idiaiterh apotelesmatikothta ta yparkta problhmata toys. Kai eidate poia htan h sygkekrimenh poreia twn kinhtopoihsewn, kaqws, epishs kai toys xarakthrismoys poy allhloektojeythkan apo orismenoys ek twn prwtagwnistwn. Ekeino poy epidiwkoyme einai na synexisoyme to dialogo mazi toys, giati yparxoyn akomh problhmata. Qa yparjoyn endexomenws kai sto mellon kai qa prepei na antimetwpistoyn. Pote den eipame oti den yparxoyn problhmata. Emeis leme oti doyleyoyme pros thn kateyqynsh ths epilyshs toys. Ergazomaste pros th swsth kateyqynsh kai me idiaitera apotelesmatiko tropo.

Gnwrizete oti kai gia thn periptwsh toy IKA exoyn ginei epaneilhmmena synanthseis twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn. Se kaqe periptwsh ejetazoyme ton tropo me ton opoio qa dwsoyme tis kalyteres lyseis.

KARGOYDH: Me poia krithria kaqorisate to pososto toy basikoy metoxoy sto 5%; Giati, gia paradeigma den einai 4% h 6% ;

PRWTOPAPAS: Phrame ena pososto poy dinei orismena dikaiwmata sto metoxo kai to opoio problepetai apo th shmerinh nomoqesia. Symfwna me thn isxyoysa nomoqesia o metoxos poy katexei ena pososto 5% exei dikaiwma na zhthsei mia enhmerwsh, kapoia eggrafa, exei to dikaiwma ths parembashs kai ths enhmerwshs kai endexomenws na zhthsei kapoies ejhghseis apo thn epixeirhsh. Ayto to qewrhsame ws prokrima, dedomenoy oti mporoyse na apotelesei ena staqero shmeio anaforas gia thn protash mas. Ean mas eixe protaqei kati allo, endexomenws kalytero, den eixame logo na mhn to yioqethsoyme.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Problepetai 2,5%.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den problepetai 2,5%. To pososto ayto exei na kanei me onomastikopoihseis metoxwn. Einai teleiws diaforetikh periptwsh. Afora ta prostima.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Gia paradeigma, ta prostima, einai kai alla edafia poy problepetai to 2,5% Koinopoioyntai stoys metoxoys poy exoyn pososto 2,5% kai panw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayta einai ta prostima poy epiballei to ESR, alla sthn emporikh nomoqesia, giati h emporikh nomoqesia einai ekeinh poy krinei. Sthn koinotikh nomoqesia basikos metoxos qewreitai ekeinos poy katexei pososto panw apo 10%, yparxoyn anafores sthn ellhnikh nomoqesia poy merikes fores orioqetoyntai apo to 5%, idiaitera se qemata plhroforhshs kai parembashs toy metoxoy sthn etaireia. Oxi gia ta prostima, alla gia mia pragmatikh sxesh toy metoxoy me thn etaireia. Den yparxei kati kalytero, alla bebaia ean kapoios exei na proteinei kati diaforetiko, ena allo pososto, as to kataqesei sto dialogo. To xeirotero pragma poy exei na kanei kaneis einai na mhn metexei sto dialogo. Aytos poy leei oti mporei kaneis na ftasei mexri mias metoxhs -ayth den einai sobarh protash, einai protash gia na mhn ginei tipota, na mhn elegxetai tipota, ayto epidiwkoyn oi empneystes ths- to mono poy qa petyxei einai na mplokarei ta panta. Qewroyme oti aytoi poy proteinoyn th periptwsh ths mias metoxhs, oysiastika odhgoyn se majimalismo. O majimalismos einai gia na mhn ginei tipota, na mhn allajei tipota, na mhn beltiwqei tipota. Epiteloys, ayth h taktikh ths N.D. ypokryptei skopimothtes, oi opoies oxi mono den prowqoyn th diafaneia, alla anaparagoyn th shmerinh anarxh katastash.

KARGOYDH: Anaforika me thn eishghsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eipate oti o Prwqypoyrgos epishmane me aformh dhmosieymata, oti h eikona poy emfanizetai den einai akribhs, toylaxiston. Antilambanomai eite oti o Prwqypoyrgos epekrine sygkekrimena MME, eite ...

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den epekrine kanenan.

KARGOYDH:...eite Ypoyrgoys sas poy dia twn MME dinoyn mia arnhtikh eikona ths kybernhshs. Alliws den mporw na to ejhghsw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. Oi Ypoyrgoi den dinoyn arnhtikh eikona ths kybernhshs, oyte kamia sygkekrimenh anafora yparxei. Merikes fores emfanizetai mia diaforetikh eikona apo thn pragmatikh. Kai einai logiko o Prwqypoyrgos me sygkekrimena paradeigmata kai anafores stoys tomeis ths kybernhtikhs politikhs na apeyqynetai ston ellhniko lao kai na paroysiazei thn pragmatikh eikona toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Den nomizw oti ayto dhmioyrgei kapoio problhma. Ejalloy, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke se sygkekrimena paradeigmata.

MPOYATAR: Ean yioqethqei o kwdikas deontologias, problepontai kai kyrwseis se periptwseis parabasewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, einai aytonohto. Kyrwseis problepontai kai shmera. Oi kyrwseis qa epiballontai apo to ESR.

KOYIN: Prin synexisete me ta amigws radiothleoptika, sta genikotera poy eixate pei, mhpws jerete ean exei yparjei ejelijh sto qema ths O.A., gia to pote qa lhfqei telika ayth h apofash;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimaste sto teliko kai apofasistiko stadio. Molis oloklhrwqoyn oi diadikasies, qa sas enhmerwsoyme. Mh moy zhtate na sas pw sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia.

KOYIN: Eixate pei shmera, gi ayto rwtaw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eixa pei sygkekrimena gia shmera. Eixa pei oti einai qema hmerwn. Apo kei kai pera, otan yparxoyn ejelijeis -kai sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, opws antilambaneste yparxoyn ejelijeis- aytes prepei na diereynwntai. To zhtoymeno einai na broyme mia sigoyrh lysh.

KAPPOS: Sto arqro 2, par. 2, poy ginetai anafora sta syggenika proswpa, ta opoia diaqetoyn oikonomikh aytoteleia, anarwtiemai ayto airei to koino symferon syggenikwn proswpwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti symfwna me tis diatajeis toy Syntagmatos kaqe Ellhnas exei dikaiwma sthn epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta. Exoyme Syntagma dhmokratiko kai fileleyqero. H logikh ths syllogikhs kai oikogeneiakhs eyqynhs anhkei se alla kaqestwta kai se alles epoxes.

KAPPOS: Den anaferomai se ayto. Antilambaneste poia einai h erwthsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas apanthsa oti to Syntagma mas einai safes. Den mporw na empodisw ton adelfo moy na exei aytotelh oikonomikh, epixeirhmatikh h allh drasthriothta. H epoxh poy epeidh egw, gia paradeigma, eixa mia drasthriothta politikh, oikonomikh, epixeirhmatikh h koinwnikh kai hmoyn paranomos kai me synelambanan, synelambanan kai ton adelfo moy epeidh egw hmoyn paranomos, anhkei anepistrepti sto parelqon.

KAPPOS: Qa mporoysa na sas qesw alla paradeigmata, mh paranomias. Dwsate mia apanthsh, telos pantwn, den epimenw. Na epanelqoyme ston kwdika deontologias. Anarwtiemai, ki an kanw laqos diorqwste me, oles oi diatajeis poy yparxoyn aforoyn tis eidhseografikes ekpompes. Ap o,ti parathrhsa ginetai ektetamenh kai epaneilhmmenh anafora stis eidhseografikes ekpompes kai den aforoyn to synoliko proion twn MME.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia th diafhmish kai gia tis cyxagwgikes ekpompes yparxoyn sxetikes anafores sth nomoqesia mas, poy krinontai eparkeis.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qa hqela na kanw mia dieykrinish, oson afora tis efhmerides. Ean ypoqesoyme oti ena ekdotiko sygkrothma ypografei mia symbash me to Dhmosio kai katexei kyriws efhmerides, qa prepei o basikos metoxos shmera katexei to 50%, na to meiwsei sto 5%, wste na einai synnomh ayth h prajh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ean oi symbaseis poy ypografontai me to Dhmosio empiptoyn stis diatajeis toy nomoy -einai peripoy 250.000 eyrw k.o.k.- einai safes oti prepei eite na mhn ypografontai, eite allajei th metoxikh toy symbash.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ypografei o... adelfos mas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na sas pw anaforika me ayth thn periptwsh, oti poly syntoma qa enhmerwqeite gia ta dikaiologhtika poy apaitoyntai apo to ESR, oson afora tis periptwseis twn syggenikwn proswpwn, alla kai twn paraktiwn etaireiwn. Epeidh ta dikaiologhtika poy qa apaitoyntai qa einai polla, leptomerh kai plhrh, na eiste bebaios oti, opoy den yparxei oikonomikh aytodynamia, qa diapistwnetai.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H trith paragrafos toy deyteroy arqroy, anaferei ta ejhs: Apo thn apagoreysh toy parontos arqroy, ejairoyntai oi dhmosies symbaseis, twn opoiwn to antikeimeno exei sxesh me to antikeimeno twn drasthriothtwn twn epixeirhsewn MME. Estw, loipon, mia etairia MME na exei sto katastatiko ths skopo gia jenodoxeiakh drasthriothta...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den empiptei. Den mporei na synacei symbash me jenodoxeiakh drasthriothta. Den einai MME.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qa mporei na ekdidei eisithria.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Oyte to eisithrio einai MME. O oros exei mpei gia thn kratikh diafhmish. Den yparxei shmera periptwsh, na mporesei na staqei h opoiadhpote efhmerida, ean den exei dikaiwma na parei kapoia kratikh diafhmish. Kapoia zhthmata den xreiazontai epejhghseis. Ta gnwrizete.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O dialogos jekina twra me toys endiaferomenoys foreis h hdh exei jekinhsei me toys ekdotes;

PRWTOPAPAS: O dialogos jekina apo shmera.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Me toys ekdotes poy synanthqhke o Prwqypoyrgos, mporeite na mas peite me poioys synanthqhke kai ti syzhthqhke kai me poioys prokeitai na synanthqei;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei, hdh, synanthqei me orismenoys ekdotes, to eixa proanaggeilei se palaioterh enhmerwsh mas. Prokeitai na synanthqei kai me alloys. Alla se aytes tis synanthseis den ginetai syzhthsh gia to nomosxedio, opws katalabainete. Oi syzhthseis aytes ginontai, kata kairoys. Den einai h prwth fora poy syzhtoyntai tetoia qemata. Tis synanthseis aytes apasxoloyn genikotera qemata kai oxi syzhthseis panw se nomosxedia.

KOYIN: Aytos o nomos qa exei anadromikothta;

PRWTOPAPAS: O nomos apaitei amesh prosarmogh. Opws eidate, den yparxei oyte metabatikh diatajh sto prosxedio.

KOYIN: Swsta. Alla an to eixa prin;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai allo qema. Apo thn chfish toy nomoy kai meta, oiadhpote symbash ypokeitai stis diatajeis toy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: To ESR apo thn ews twra nomoqesia poy to diepei den elegxei -kai den einai ypoxrewmeno na elegxei- tis etaireies, tis ekdotikes epixeirhseis. Dhladh, mexri twra den diaqetei stoixeia kai oyte htan ypoxrewmenes oi ekdotikes epixeirhseis na kataqetoyn stoixeia. Me ton paronta nomo to ESR anagetai se organo elegxoy kai gi aytes tis epixeirhseis. Qa yparjei kati neotero, kati symplhrwmatiko sth nomoqesia gia to ESR;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi prosarmoges qa ginoyn sto teliko keimeno toy sxedioy nomoy. Qa ginoyn oles oi allages, oi prosarmoges wste na leitoyrghsei plhrws o nomos poy qa chfistei. Einai safes ayto. Perilambanontai hdh, alla en pash periptwsei, an kata th diarkeia toy dialogoy xreiastei nomotexnika na prosqesoyme kapoia pragmata, eimaste sth diaqesh twn synomilhtwn mas. H proqesh mas einai ayto poy eipate: To ESR qa einai to meso poy qa elegxei ola ayta ta zhthmata kai thn efarmogh toy nomoy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Den lew oti den exei plhrh nomoqesia, alla einai epta ta kainoyrgia melh, xwris anaplhrwmatika, syn ena proswpiko 50 atomwn, syn ena tmhma diafaneias apo oso jeroyme mexri twra, me enan tromero ogko doyleias hdh ston elegxo ths agoras kai ths epopteias toy periexomenoy kai twra toys dinete kai tis ekdotikes epixeirhseis gia tis opoies den exoyn kanena stoixeio kai oyte pote xreiasthke.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa zhthqoyn ta stoixeia kai qa ta exoyn poly syntoma. Ejalloy, oi ekdotikes epixeirhseis den einai para polles.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Poia qa einai h metabatikh periodos gia na symmorfwqoyn oi idiokthtes twn MME, otan chfistei o nomos; Epishs qa hqela na rwthsw, an ejetazete to endexomeno na prokhryjete kai neo diagwnismo gia adeies panelladikhs embeleias, an yparxei ayth h dynatothta kai an ejetazete to endexomeno na doqoyn 4 adeies diktywshs kapoiwn radiofwnikwn staqmwn, wste na ginoyn panelladikhs embeleias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Jekinwntas apo to trito erwthma sas, sas lew oti proqesh toy ypoyrgeioy einai na ryqmisoyme to zhthma poy yparxei sto qema ths diktywshs mexri thn oloklhrwsh twn apofasewn toy ESR gia toys perifereiakoys staqmoys. Yparxei mia adikia ayth th stigmh se baros twn perifereiakwn staqmwn gia to qema ths diktywshs kai qa antimetwpisoyme. Pisteyw oti einai mia koina apodekth ryqmish.

Oson afora to deytero erwthma sas, den einai proqesh mas se kamia periptwsh ayth th stigmh na qesoyme qema allaghs toy ariqmoy twn adeiwn. Bebaiws, gnwrizete oti to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn katartizei enan eqniko xarth syxnothtwn. An xreiastei na ejagoyme nea symperasmata, qa ta ejagoyme apo ekei. Ayth th stigmh den yparxei kamia allagh.

Se o,ti afora to prwto erwthma sas, sas lew oti den xreiazetai metabatikh periodos. Kat` arxas, problepetai periqwrio enos mhnos, diasthma sto opoio oloi mporei na prosarmostoyn. Qa xreiastei kai ena logiko diasthma mexri na chfistei kai na dhmosieytei o nomos, gegonos poy shmainei oti yparxei prosqetos xronos na prosarmostoyn. An kapoios den prolabei, den xreiazetai na ypografei symbaseis me to Dhmosio mexri thn prosarmogh toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poioys exei dei mexri twra o Prwqypoyrgos kai poioys alloys qa dei. Mporoyme na jeroyme;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ypoxreoytai kaneis na pei pote eide ton kaqena kai ti toy eipe. Sas eipa oti qa yparjei enas kyklos synanthsewn, opws yphrje palaiotera kai opws qa yparjei kai sto mellon. Panta yparxoyn tetoioi kykloi synanthsewn, antallassontai apoceis kai ayto ginetai apo oloys. Den apotelei eidhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa toys dei oloys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas apanthsa. Den apotelei eidhsh.

KAPPOS: Prohgoymenws kanate ejairetikh anafora sto qema ths kratikhs diafhmishs. Anarwtiemai pws qa katanemetai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Analogika isotima. Yparxei, opws jerete, ena P.D. Eixa zhthsei apo ton prohgoymeno Geniko Grammatea Niko Aqanasakh kai sth synexeia apo thn k. Sphliopoyloy kai exoyme dhmioyrghsei mia eidikh omada dioikhshs ergoy, h opoia epejergazetai tis anagkaies allages poy qa prepei na ginoyn sto Proedriko Diatagma. Skopos mas einai na efarmozetai to P.D. plhrws kai na elegxetai. Qewrw oti einai ena swsto P.D. Isws pasxei ligo ston tomea toy elegxoy efarmoghs toy. Ayth h katanomh poy kanei, 40% oi efhmerides kai ena megalo pososto se eparxiaka Mesa, einai mia swsth katanomh. Pisteyw oti bohqame kai to qema ths yparjhs aytwn twn fwnwn kai to qema ths poiothtas. Skopeyoyme na diathrhsoyme ayta ta pososta, alla mas endiaferei na ta efarmosoyme kalytera.

GIANNISHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, shmera o ekproswpos Typoy toy YPEJ k. Mpegliths, erwthqhke kai anaferqhke sto qema ths dikastikhs syndromhs ths Elladas sth dikh Milosebits. Eipe oti ayta ta stoixeia exoyn sygkentrwqei kai qa apostaloyn sth Xagh kai malista prokeitai gia ogkwdeis fakeloys. Ayto shmainei oti o k. Milosebits sthn Ellada eixe ektenh drasthriothta. Th gnwrize h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh kinhqhke me bash to aithma kai tis sygkekrimenes anafores poy ekane to Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs kai sygkekrimena h k. eisaggeleys. Zhthqhkan sygkekrimena pragmata, sygkekrimenoi logariasmoi, yphrjan sygkekrimena erwthmata. H apanthsh einai ep` aytwn poy mas zhthqhke. Thn ajiologhsh toys den mporoyme na thn kanoyme emeis, dioti den mporoyme na th diastayrwsoyme me alla gegonota h me alla qemata poy gnwrizei h k. eisaggeleys. H diastayrwsh kai ajiologhsh qa ginoyn apo to Dieqnes Dikasthrio. Sas epanalambanw oti emeis dwsame o,ti mas zhthqhke.

Sas eyxaristw.

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