Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-01-30

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 30 Ianoyarioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Shmera, opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos brisketai stis Bryjelles kai qa exei diadoxika synanthseis me ton k. Pronti, thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai me ton armodio gia th Gewrgia Koinotiko Epitropo k. Fisler.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Tis teleytaies hmeres exei anoijei mia megalh syzhthsh gyrw apo ton paranomo tzogo me tis diaplokes h -telos pantwn- me tis sxeseis toy me eyrytera zhthmata. Apokalyceis poy exoyn prokalesei akomh kai thn parembash toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh skopeyei na proxwrhsei se metra gia thn antimetwpish aytoy toy fainomenoy, to opoio fainetai na lambanei anejelegktes diastaseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, h kybernhsh qa labei metra. Qa yparjoyn sygkekrimena metra gia thn antimetwpish kaqe morfhs paranomoy tzogoy. Gnwrizete oti eginan, xqes, sxetikes anafores apo ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn N. Xristodoylakh. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti me prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy exei prosdioristei gia thn epomenh ebdomada synedriash Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs, ypo thn Proedria toy. Eimaste apofasismenoi na laboyme ola ta anagkaia metra, wste na threitai h nomimothta. Bebaiws, opws akoysate kai xqes apo ton ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn, qa fqasoyme kai se lyseis, akomh kai apagoreysewn, ean xreiastei.

KONTOPOYLOS: Wstoso, ean moy epitrepete, meta tis epidromes -as moy epitrapei ayth h ekfrash- toy SDOE sta katasthmata poy leitoyrgoyn nomima, exei prokycei kai ena deytero problhma antidrashs ergazomenwn se ayta ta katasthmata, poy oi idioi isxyrizontai oti ergazontai nomima kai oti me ton tropo ayto xanoyn th doyleia toys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai logiko na prokaloyntai kapoia problhmata. Se osa katasthmata, omws, akoloyqoyntai nomimes diadikasies, opoy yparxei efarmogh ths nomimothtas kai twn kanonismwn, kaneis den exei na fobhqei kati. Den einai, omws, swsto, kapoios na ergazetai kai na sygkalyptei me thn paroysia toy paranomes diadikasies. Panw apo ola einai to koinwniko synolo. Panw apo ola einai oi polites. Panw apo ola einai oi neoi mas. Einai, loipon, logiko, mia kybernhsh na endiaferetai prwta apo ola gia thn koinwnia, na prostateyei thn koinwnia kai na qetei diadikasies, kanones kai elegxoys poy prostateyoyn to koinwniko synolo.

SOYGLERHS: Meleta h kybernhsh thn epanafora twn armodiothtwn sthn astynomia, giati oles oi apoceis sygklinoyn oti h astynomia eixe kalytero rolo, megalyterh dynamh dhladh apo to SDOE, na mporei na elegxei thn paranomh drasthriothta twn "koyloxerhdwn" sthn Ellada. Ean den ginei to prohgoymeno, h kybernhsh desmeyetai na apofasisei na enisxysei me perissoterh dynamh (na proslabei kainoyrgioys ypallhloys) to SDOE;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa elega na afhsoyme ta sygkekrimena metra gia th synedriash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs, sthn opoia qa symmetexoyn kai alloi armodioi, thn epomenh Tetarth.

GARGALAKOS: Shmera o k. Laliwths kataqetei sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs. Mhpws qelete na kanete kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: H Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs syneklhqh meta apo epistolh toy k. Laliwth pros ton proedro ths Giannh Anqopoylo -thn idia epistolh eixe steilei kai palaiotera ston tote proedro ths Epitrophs Baggelh Malesio- prokeimenoy na syzhthqoyn dyo qemata:

To prwto exei na kanei me tis symbaseis toy Aerodromioy twn Spatwn. Opws gnwrizete, meta apo parembash ths kybernhshs kai toy YPEXWDE, yphrje metabolh twn arxikwn orwn ths symbashs, me skopo thn prostasia twn symferontwn toy Dhmosioy, to opoio kerdise polla dis draxmes apo tis kinhseis poy ekane o k. Laliwths, ws ypoyrgos PEXWDE.

Kai to deytero, na enhmerwsei gia thn gnwsth ypoqesh ths liberianhs etaireias MAYO, poy syndeetai -opws gnwrizete- me tis adiafaneis diadikasies xrhmatodothshs toy kommatos ths N.D. Kai gia ta dyo ayta qemata qa enhmerwqeite shmera apo ton Kwsta Laliwth.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw, enocei ths synanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Fisler, poia einai h skopimothta ayths ths synanthshs kai poia qemata qa qesoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa syzhthqoyn genikotera zhthmata poy aforoyn thn poreia mas, thn poreia ths Koinhs Agrotikhs Politikhs. Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe parembei ston k. Fisler otan diamorfwnontan h symfwnia toy bambakioy poy qa kaqorize tis posothtes bambakioy gia thn Ellada, to 2002. Einai logiko na qelei na syzhthsei mazi toy gia kapoies apo tis mellontikes kinhseis, se sxesh me toys Kanonismoys gia to bambaki kai alla agrotika proionta. Bebaiws, gnwrizete oti exoyn katateqei aithmata apo thn Ellada sxetika me to qema twn apozhmiwsewn, ta opoia qa syzhthqoyn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Xqes, eixame ek neoy mazikes parabiaseis kai parabaseis ston enaerio xwro toy Aigaioy. Dierwtwmai, pws mporei ena dialogos Elladas-Toyrkias, se opoio epipedo ki an breqei, na petyxei otan h Toyrkia parabainei kaqe kanona Dieqnes Dikaioy, me ayta poy kanei. Einai dynaton na proxwrhsei aytos o dialogos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai dynaton na proxwrhsei dialogos me thn Toyrkia kai yparxei mia epikairh anafora toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy. Qewroyme oti o dialogos, pragmati, mporei na proxwrhsei. Mhn jexnate oti exoyme arxisei dialogo, edw kai dyo xronia, o opoios katelhje se orismena zhthmata. Exoyme ypogracei, peripoy 10 symfwnies, oi opoies epikyrwqhkan apo th Boylh kai synebalan wste na yparjoyn kales sxeseis geitonias. Exoyme, epishs, jekaqarisei oti aytos o dialogos qa ginei sto plaisio toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy, twn Dieqnwn Synqhkwn. Bebaiws, h Toyrkia -kai ayto einai kati poy prepei na tonizoyme panta- endiaferetai gia thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths. Ki emeis qeloyme thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias, poy kaqorizetai kai apo tis apofaseis toy Symboylioy Koryfhs sto Elsinki. Alla, se kaqe periptwsh, ean se ayto to dialogo paroysiastoyn opoiadhpote problhmata h opoiesdhpote diekdikhseis apo thn Toyrkia poy qetoyn qema eqnikwn symferontwn, yparxei kai to ellhniko, oxi. Tipote den to apokleiei. Kai ean xreiastei, bebaiws, qa to poyme. Yparxoyn xeirismoi idiaitera eyaisqhtoi gia ta eqnika qemata. Oi prwtoboylies poy lambanoyme mas fernoyn sthn kardia twn ejelijewn. Dhmioyrgoyn prooptikes lysewn sta eqnika qemata kai etsi prepei na proxwrhsoyme.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epeidh sto shmerino Typo ta pragmata, meta apo tis dhlwseis toy G. Papandreoy, periplekontai, sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs, qa elega oti fainetai ligo peripeplegmeno to gegonos ean pame se dialogo ef` olhs ths ylhs h oxi, gia to qema toy Aigaioy. Ayto den shmainei dialogos ef` olhs ths ylhs, shmainei dialogos gia qemata, poy qa ta elega, epoysiwdh, enw to qema toy Aigaioy einai terastio. Epomenws, poy odhgoyme to qema toy Aigaioy;

PRWTOPAPAS: To mono edafiko qema, to opoio paramenei gia mas anoikto, einai to qema ths yfalokrhpidas. Ayto einai safes. Apo kei kai pera, ean h toyrkikh pleyra, kata th diarkeia twn prwtoboyliwn dialogoy, poy qa yparjoyn -opws gnwrizete qa prohghqoyn oi diereynhtikes epitropes- qesei qemata ta opoia ektimoyme oti antistrateyontai ta eqnika dikaiwmata kai symferonta mas, einai safes oti qa yparjei to ellhniko, oxi. Omws, den prepei na jekinoyme kat` ayto ton tropo. Prepei na jekinoyme me pisth stis qetikes synqhkes kai th qetikh eikona poy exei dhmioyrghsei h xwra mas sth dieqnh koinothta. Na odhghsoyme se eqnikes lyseis ta eqnika mas qemata. Gia paradeigma, oson afora to qema ths yfalokrhpidas mporoyme na diereynhsoyme th dynatothta na synexisoyme to dialogo, wste na fqasoyme sto synyposxetiko kai na pame sth Xagh.

ARGYROS: Prin apo sxedon ena mhna to epaggelmatiko organo twn podosfairikwn omadwn eixe zhthsei th dhmioyrgia eidikwn aiqoyswn-klamps, opoy qa paizontai kai tyxera paixnidia. O yfypoyrgos Aqlhtismoy G. Koyrakhs eixe pei oti to qema qa to ejetasei h kybernhsh. Qa hqela thn apanthsh sas kai ean qa syzhthqei sth Diypoyrgikh Epitroph.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa to ejetasoyme. Opws, gnwrizete to klima den einai qetiko gia tetoia zhthmata.

PAPAHLIOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes, sthn ekpomph toy MEGA ``oi fakeloi'' , o Toyrkos dhmosiografos Ali Mpirant eipe me kathgorhmatiko tropo oti oi ellhnikes kai toyrkikes mystikes yphresies synergasthkan sthn ypoqesh Otsalan poy katelhje sthn paradosh toy. Ti lete gi ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto plaisio ths katapolemhshs ths dieqnoys tromokratias yparxoyn synergasies metajy twn armodiwn yphresiwn. Ayto einai mia genikh arxh, gia thn opoia exoyme enhmerwsei polles fores. Otan exoyme na antimetwpisoyme th dieqnh tromokratia, einai logiko na yparxoyn synergasies me tis arxes pollwn xwrwn. Fysika den anaferomai se ena sygkekrimeno qema. Ayto einai mia genikh arxh poy panta yparxei. Nomizw, omws, oti xqes, kata th diarkeia olhs ayths ths ekpomphs, eixame thn eykairia na parakoloyqhsoyme ton k. Pagkalo poy edwse plhreis apanthseis, periegrace ta gegonota kai den afhse kanena erwthmatiko. Htan, pragmatika, plhreis oi apanthseis toy.

MIXAHL: Pianomai apo thn teleytaia apanthsh sas gia na sas rwthsw, ean gia thn Ellada, akoma kai twra, o Otsalan einai dieqnhs tromokraths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai gnwsth h apanthsh poy exei dwsei h ellhnikh pleyra se ayta ta zhthmata. Gnwrizete oti olh h dieqnhs koinothta exei topoqethqei apenanti sto PKK.

MIXAHL: Allo an katadikazoyme kai den egkrinoyme tis energeies toy PKK kai allo oti einai dieqneis tromokrates.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti exei topoqethqei, hdh, h dieqnhs koinothta gia to PKK kai exei symperilabei ayth thn organwsh stis tromokratikes organwseis.

MPOTWNHS: Einai problhmatismenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo dhlwseis, typoy Spyrioynh, oti exei kleisei o kyklos toy kai qa pame se allagh hgesias sto telos ths tetraetias h toylaxiston ayto qelei; Mhn jexname oti exoyme 154 boyleytes kai yparxei kai allh antidrash mesa sto PASOK gi` ayto to qema. Yparxei kapoio sxolio;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yphrje kamia antidrash kata ths politikhs toy PASOK poy na dhmioyrgei astaqeia sthn kybernhsh. Mhn taytizoyme anomoia pragmata metajy toys. Afoy, omws, epimenete na rwtate me poio Prwqypoyrgo qa pame stis ekloges, qa sas parapemcw stis poly safeis apanthseis moy, ths prohgoymenhs Tetarths -tis opoies poly kala ekana kai edwsa me ayto ton tropo- poy paramenoyn panta epikaires.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Xqes, gia tis agrotikes kinhtopoihseis, dexqhkate orismenes erwthseis kai kaythriasate th qesh ths N.D. oti den pairnei mia safh qesh, oson afora to "kocimo" ths Elladas sta dyo. Xqes, o k. Karamanlhs, apo o,ti eida, ekane mia safh dhlwsh oti einai enantion ths "kophs". Sas ikanopoiei ayth h dhlwsh toy k. Karamanlh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqe tetoia dhlwsh einai qetikh. Yparxei, omws, ena pragmatiko problhma. Synexizontai, gia trith hmera, oi agrotikes kinhtopoihseis. Qelw na epishmanw oti aithmata peri epaneqnikopoihshs ths politikhs mas ston agrotiko tomea, ta opoia akoygontai apo orismenoys ekproswpoys twn agrotikwn syllogwn, qa odhgoysan -ean ginontan apodekta- se dramatikes ejelijeis, gia toys idioys toys agrotes. H politikh epaneqnikopoihshs ths gewrgias poy proteinoyn orismena stelexh twn agrotikwn syllogwn, qa dhmioyrgoyse idiaitera arnhtikes katastaseis, qa erixne se pagides, qa dhmioyrgoyse arnhtika fainomena gia toys idioys toys agrotes kai thn paragwgh toys. Einai ena qema poy prepei na prosejoyme idiaitera. Den mporei na diatypwnontai aithmata ta opoia einai epizhmia gia ton agroth kai thn paragwgh toy. Ayto qeloyme na to epishmanoyme. Throyme, apenanti se aytes tis ejelijeis, stash eyqynhs. Mas endiaferei na lynontai ta problhmata, na beltiwnetai to agrotiko eisodhma, na odhgoyme se qetikes ejelijeis ta qemata poy aforoyn ton Ellhna agroth.

Oson afora tis kinhtopoihseis, plhroforhqhka oti shmera qa yparjoyn kapoies prospaqeies apokleismoy eqnikwn odwn. Toylaxiston ayto eipan orismenoi apo toys syndikalistes. H endexomenh prospaqeia apokleismoy eqnikwn odwn den einai prajh eyqynhs. Erxetai se antiqesh me ta symferonta ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Erxetai se antiqesh me ta symferonta toy Ellhna polith. Parempodizei thn omalh oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh. Qelw na zhthsw apo toys empneystes tetoiwn energeiwn na anaqewrhsoyn ayta poy dhlwnoyn kai na staqoyn ypeyqyna apenanti stoys polites, apenanti sto synolo ths koinwnias mas.

Oson afora ta politika kommata, pisteyoyme oti prepei na paroyn safh qesh. Polla stelexh twn agrotikwn enwsewn, kyriws oi kyrioi Pattakhs kai Mpoytas einai stelexh toy KKE kai malista o k. Pattakhs einai kai eyrwboyleyths. To KKE, loipon, prepei na topoqethqei. Einai praktikh o apokleismos twn eqnikwn odwn; Egkrinei tetoies politikes; Symfwnei me politikes poy antistrateyontai ta symferonta ths koinwnias; Symfwnei me politikes poy dhmioyrgoyn problhmata ston polith;

Oson afora th N.D., yparxei h xqesinh dhlwsh toy arxhgoy ths, alla yparxoyn kai polles akribws antiqetes prajeis stelexwn ths. Epiteloys, to komma ayto prepei na exei mia synepeia logwn kai ergwn. Kai to perimenoyme.

MIXAHL: Ektimate oti oles aytes oi kinhtopoihseis kai h stadiakh klimakwsh apo thn pleyra twn agrotwn exei politiko periexomeno kai oxi periexomeno diekdikhshs twn aithmatwn toys, oson afora ayth kaq` ayth thn agrotikh paragwgh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ekana plhrh topoqethsh sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh.

MIXAHL: Synergazetai to KKE kai h N.D. me logikh antipoliteyshs, mesw twn kinhtopoihsewn, enantion ths kybernhshs; Nai h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyw oti moy anagnwrizete to dikaiwma na apantw, opws qelw egw.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Diabazw ston Typo, shmera, kai den jerw ean symfwneite, oti telika h Ellada krata ena pososto apo tis epidothseis poy dinei h E.E. pros toys agrotes. Ayto einai alhqes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den krata kanena pososto. An anafereste se kapoia topoqethsh toy k. Alabanoy, afora pososta aporrofhshs kai oxi oti kratame apo tis epidothseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Diamartyreste gia to kleisimo twn dromwn. Otan eseis kleinate toys dromoys ws Proedros ths OTOE, den enoxloysate toys alloys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti edw apantw ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos kai oydepote qa apanthsw se erwthseis poy me aforoyn ws proswpo, anejarthta apo to an me symferei h oxi to na parw qesh se ena qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, ola sas akoloyqoyn. Den stamata pote o politikos...

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, symfwnw mazi sas. Qa sas apanthsw, omws, me thn allh idiothta moy, toy boyleyth, kai qa sas ejoysiodothsw na koinopoihsete thn apanthsh moy sthn efhmerida poy ergazeste me thn idiothta poy prepei kai oxi kanontas kataxrhsh toy leitoyrghmatos moy. Qelw na qymisw, omws -ean rwtate ayto- oti oydepote to PASOK yioqethse morfes kinhtopoihsewn oi opoies strefontan se baros ths koinwnias. Oydepote synebh ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den kleinate dromoys edw sthn Aqhna, thn Panepisthmioy, th Stadioy, den mpainate mprosta kai kleinate toys dromoys; Yparxoyn fwtografies, mhn orkizeste...

PRWTOPAPAS: Oydepote to PASOK symfwnhse me tetoies diadikasies. Bebaiws, otan brisketai se ejelijh mia poreia, qa perasei mesa apo kapoioys dromoys...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai oi agrotes apo dromoys pernoyn...

PRWTOPAPAS: As kanoyn poreia kai oxi na kleinoyn toys dromoys kai idiaitera se wres aixmhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: ...sas "ponaei" twra...

PRWTOPAPAS: An kapoion "ponaei" to kleisimo twn dromwn einai o Ellhnas poliths. Se ayton exei epiptwseis to kleisimo twn dromwn.

POYLIDOY: Hjera oti mexri twra yphrxe mia diakommatikh synainesh sta agrotika. Ola ta kommata symfwnoysan oti h Ellada prepei na antitiqetai sthn epaneqnikopoihsh ths Koinhs Agrotikhs Politikhs. Epeidh diabazw oti to qema qa epanelqei syntoma se eyrwpaiko epipedo, giati to qelei h Germania, mhpws skopeyei h Ellada na anaqewrhsei th stash ths, me dedomeno oti yparxoyn dynameis ston elladiko xwro poy epiqymoyn thn epaneqnikopoihsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: To antiqeto. Qa rwthsoyme tis dynameis aytes na mas poyn, poy odhgei h politikh toys. H Ellada einai kerdismenh apo thn Koinh Agrotikh Politikh. O Ellhnas gewrgos, o Ellhnas agroths exei kerdisei apo ayth thn politikh kai toys Kanonismoys ths E.E. Ean gia opoiodhpote logo -dioti exete dikio oti yparxoyn diafores antilhceis- epaneqnikopoihqei apo thn E.E. h politikh sto gewrgiko tomea, o prwtos xamenos qa einai o Ellhnas agroths. Ayto qelw na to epishmanw kai na apeyqynqw se ekeinoys poy me tetoia eykolia kai xwris kamia analysh h meleth diatypwnoyn tetoia aithmata.

Sas eyxaristw.

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