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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 6 Dekembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai xronia polla se osoys kai oses giortazoyn.

Shmera arxizei h epishmh episkech toy Proedroy ths Rwsikhs Omospondias k. Poytin. Einai ena idiaitera shmantiko gegonos. Opws gnwrizete h Rwsikh Omospondia anabaqmizei dieqnws to rolo ths. Einai melos toy S.A. toy OHE. Diadramatizei shmantiko rolo stis eyrwpaikes, alla kai tis dieqneis ejelijeis. Me thn Ellada exei mia poly stenh kai karpofora politikh synergasia, h opoia, bebaiws, qa anabaqmistei me thn episkech toy Rwsoy Proedroy. Polles fores eimaste sthn idia kateyqynsh. Qeloyme na yparxei stenh kai synexhs synergasia, toso sta qemata koinoy endiaferontos, oso kai sta megala dieqnh qemata. Ayth th stigmh, pragmatopoieitai h synanthsh toy me ton Proedro ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias Kwnstantino Stefanopoylo kai qa akoloyqhsoyn oi synanthseis, opws aytes problepontai sto programma ths episkechs.

Shmera, opws gnwrizete, synhlqe, sto Megaro Majimoy, se atyph synedriash, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai syzhthse thn poreia twn ejelijewn se mia seira qemata. Syzhthqhkan zhthmata poy aforoyn th Synodo Koryfhs poy pragmatopoieitai stis 14 kai 15 Dekembrioy sto Laaken, zhthmata poy aforoyn ton Eyrwstrato, th laqrometanasteysh, alla kai thn prooptikh dieyrynshs ths E.E. kai genikotera toy mellontos ths Eyrwphs.

Egine, akomh, syzhthsh gia ton programmatismo toy dialogoy apo to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs gia ta qemata ths apokentrwshs kai ths dhmosias dioikhshs, alla kai gia tis poiotikes allages poy prowqoyme sto politiko systhma mas. Opws, epishs, kai gia ta qemata toy Proypologismoy, ths emfanishs ths kybernhshs sth syzhthsh toy Proypologismoy, twn ejelijewn meta thn prosfath synedriash toy ECOFIN, h poreia twn qematwn toy agrotikoy kosmoy kai bebaiws ta qemata poy sxetizontai me tis teleytaies ejelijeis sto Kypriako. Ayto htan to qematologio ths syzhthshs sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Ejetasthke h poreia twn qematwn kai doqhkan odhgies apo ton Prwqypoyrgo gia toys epomenoys xeirismoys ths kybernhshs se ola ayta ta zhthmata.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KONTOPOYLOS: Hqela na rwthsw ean o Prwqypoyrgos ekane kapoia ektimhsh h sxolio gia th xqesinobradinh synanthsh twn k. Klhridh-Ntenktas kai gia thn epomenh programmatismenh synanthsh sthn eleyqerh Leykwsia.

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei hdh topoqethqei sth synenteyjh toy prin apo dyo hmeres. Xarakthrise ws ena qetiko bhma th synanthsh, tonise omws oti yparxei makrys dromos akomh. Eimaste se kalo dromo, alla xreiazetai pollh doyleia. Qeloyme na lyqei to Kypriako, qeloyme mia biwsimh kai dikaih lysh toy problhmatos, sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy OHE. Pisteyoyme oti h toyrkikh pleyra piesmenh apo th qelhsh ths dieqnoys koinothtas kai th qetikh stash ths E.E., se o,ti afora thn entajh ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, anaprosarmozei th stash ths. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme pws qa meinei se ayth thn kateyqynsh kai oti mesa apo to dialogo qa odhghqoyme sthn kateyqynsh mias lyshs poy qa antapokrinetai sta xarakthristika poy sas anefera. Parakoloyqoyme apo konta tis ejelijeis kai sthrizoyme thn prospaqeia toy Proedroy Glaykoy Klhridh kai ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Otan leei o Prwqypoyrgos "xreiazetai pollh doyleia" ti akribws qelei na pei; Oti qa paei se makros h ypoqesh ayth h oti exei amfibolies se o,ti afora tis toyrkikes proqeseis, mhpws, dhladh, h toyrkikh pleyra allajei rota sth diadromh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaneis den mporei na prokaqorisei xronika ayth thn ypoqesh. Gnwrizoyme oti h epomenh synanthsh qa einai stis 16 Ianoyarioy 2002. Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw einai: Yparxei -kai einai logiko na yparxei- seira erwthmatwn gyrw apo th mellontikh stash ths toyrkikhs pleyras. Ayto poy xreiazetai na kanoyme emeis einai na meinoyme staqera stis qeseis mas. Qeloyme lysh toy Kypriakoy, lysh biwsimh kai dikaih symfwna me tis apofaseis toy OHE kai sthrizoyme tis prospaqeies toy Proedroy Glaykoy Klhridh kai ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Einai logiko na epishmainoyme ta qetika bhmata kai ejisoy logiko na tonizoyme oti o dromos einai makrys kai oti xreiazetai synexhs prospaqeia kai parakoloyqhsh.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw gia thn enhmerwsh poy egine apo ton k. Skandalidh sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Epeidh akribws shmera eixe mia synanthsh me ton k. Tsobola kai hdh exei pragmatopoihsei tis epafes toy me ta alla kommata, poia einai h ektimhsh poy yparxei sthn kybernhsh; Ektimate oti o dialogos aytos qa exei apotelesmata h yparxei mia eikona, opws ayth poy bgainei kai pros ta ejw, oti ta kommata proballoyn epifylajeis oti h kybernhsh qa aifnidiasei, qa kanei allages ston eklogiko nomo k.t.l.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den prokeitai na aifnidiasoyme kanenan. Den mporei na yparxei h aisqhsh oti epikeintai allages ston eklogiko nomo. Kai dioti gia tis ekloges toy 2004 den mporei na isxysei enas neos eklogikos nomos ean den symfwnhsoyn ta 2/3 ths Boylhs, ara kai praktika to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias kai dioti ayto den einai oyte stis proqeseis mas, oyte sthn politikh mas, oyte sthn politikh mas filosofia. Alloi xrhsimopoioyn tetoies meqodoys. Proqesh mas einai na kanoyme ena eyry dialogo gia ta qemata ths apokentrwshs, ta megala zhthmata ths dhmosias dioikhshs kai bebaiws gia thn poiotikh anabaqmish toy politikoy mas systhmatos, opws ayta poy syndeontai me th xrhmatodothsh twn kommatwn, th symperifora twn ypochfiwn kata ton proeklogiko agwna, me th symperifora twn hlektronikwn MME sth diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy, me zhthmata eklogikwn katalogwn kai ths plhroys symfwnias twn politikwn kommatwn se ayta. Einai safes, oti jekina kai pali na syzhta h diakommatikh epitroph gi ayton ton kwdika, ton opoio palaiotera eixe proteinei h tote armodia ypoyrgos Basw Papandreoy kai twra proteinei o Kwstas Skandalidhs. Se ayto mporei na ginoyn para polles syzhthseis apo ta politika kommata mexri na erqei h wra poy h kybernhsh qa parei tis telikes apofaseis. Den yparxei, loipon, kamia prospaqeia aifnidiasmoy kai kamia prospaqeia na allajei kati, prin o ellhnikos laos katanohsei se poia kateyqynsh kinoymaste kai gia poio logo. Ekeino poy den mporei na leme einai: Den koybentiazoyme. Oloi endiaferomaste gia tis poiotikes allages sto politiko mas systhma kai prepei na exoyme to qarros na analambanoyme thn eyqynh, prokeimenoy me dialogo kai synainesh na tis prowqoyme.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Den moy apanthsate poia einai h ektimhsh sas gia thn antapokrish twn kommatwn. Pws antapokriqhkan ta kommata se ayto to dialogo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prin oloklhrwqei o kyklos kai prin yparjoyn telikes ektimhseis, qa htan laqos na arxisoyme na dhmioyrgoyme problhmata gyrw apo to qema ayto. Sas eipa poia einai h proqesh ths kybernhtikhs pleyras. Qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti stadiaka qa jeperastoyn oi opoioi problhmatismoi yparxoyn kai o anagkaios aytos dialogos gia thn poiothta ths dhmokratias qa jekinhsei.

ANANIADHS: Se sxesh me th laqrometanasteysh, yphrje kapoio neo shmantiko stoixeio sthn olh optikh; Epishs, xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe -para th sygxysh poy yphrje ston Typo- kaqara oti mexri to telos toy 2001 qa exoyn syllhfqei 150.000 laqrometanastes...

PRWTOPAPAS: Na to ennooyme ws epanaprowqhqei@

ANANIADHS: Den qymamai ton akribh oro, synennohqhkame omws. Exoyn epanaprowqhqei 150.000; Eimaste bebaioi; Qa hqela na aposafhnistoyn ta noymera h na ta epanalabete. Ean exoyn epanaprowqhqei 150.000 se mia xwra poy exoyme 5.000 fylakismenoys, einai mia eikona pogkrom. Poy briskontai aytoi; Kai kati akoma: Oi mazikes epanaprowqhseis ginontai kyriws se aytoys poy proseggizoyn th xwra apo th qalassa, apo ta nhsia. Posoi akribws einai aytoi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eginan kapoies genikes ektimhseis. Oyte pogkrom yparxei, oyte egine pote. Kai prepei na prosexoyme tis lejeis poy xrhsimopoioyme.

ANANIADHS: Oi 150.000 den einai terastios ariqmos;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti para polloi poy me diafora mesa epixeirhsan na perasoyn ta synora mas -kai otan lew synora, ennow ta boreia synora mas h ta qalassia- den to kataferan. Ayto den egine dynato, giati yphrxe froyrhsh kai twn boreiwn kai twn qalassiwn synorwn mas. Bebaiws, panta milame gia tajh megeqoys. Den mporei kaneis na exei akribh ariqmo. Alla, einai safes -kai pisteyw oti oloi oi Ellhnes symfwnoyn- pws den eimaste xwra anoiktwn synorwn. To exoyme jekaqarisei kai edw polles fores kai to anefere kai o Prwqypoyrgos stis xqesines dhlwseis toy. Den mporei, dhladh, o kaqenas opote qelei, paranomws, me opoiondhpote tropo krinei, na eiserxetai sth xwra mas. Ayto den to krycame pote. Gi` ayto dhmioyrghsame kai Swma Enoplwn Froyrwn sta boreia synora mas, gi` ayto kai exoyme diatajei tis Limenikes Arxes, alla kai alles dynameis, prokeimenoy na perifroyrhqoyn kai ta qalassia synora mas, giati exoyme kaqhmerinws sxedon tetoia kroysmata. Einai logiko, se mia xwra h opoia exei periqalcei dekades h kai ekatontades xiliades laqrometanastes, kapoia stigmh na prepei na mpoyn kapoia oria sto qema ayto. Gnwrizete oti eimaste h xwra poy exoyme ferqei kalytera stoys laqrometanastes apo oles tis xwres ths Eyrwphs. Exoyme kanei dyo fores kinhseis kai exoyme dwsei eykairies gia th nomimopoihsh toys. Prepei na throyntai kai kapoia oria. Kai h sygkekrimenh anafora exei na kanei me thn prooptikh dhmioyrgias kai mias oloklhrwmenhs eyrwpaikhs politikhs gia th laqrometanasteysh, gia thn epilysh aytoy toy problhmatos. Einai safes oti mesa se ayta yparxei kai h protash gia th dhmioyrgia enos eyrwpaikoy parathrhthrioy metanasteyshs -opoy qa htan eyktaio, otan apofasistei, na mporoyse na egkatastaqei sthn Ellada- mesa apo to opoio qa mporoysan parapera na epejergastoyn kai na anaptyxqoyn aytes oi politikes. Eimaste anqrwpoi kai deixnoyme thn anqrwpia mas, periqalpontas aytoys toys anqrwpoys. Phrame mia gennaia apofash kai nomimopoihsame polles ekatontades xiliades apo aytoys. Pisteyw oti den yparxoyn alles dynatothtes sth xwra mas kai den mporei na eimaste mia xwra anoiktwn synorwn.

ANANIADHS: Mporoyme, omws, na exoyme mia ektimhsh gia to posoi mphkan h prospaqhsan na mpoyn apo th qalassa;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw stis xqesines analytikes dhlwseis.

ANTYPAS: Eipate oti den qa ginei tipota prin o ellhnikos laos katanohsei thn kateyqynsh kai thn anagkaiothta twn allagwn, an qymamai kala th frash sas. Pote h kybernhsh einai se qesh na mas dwsei ayto to sxedio, oytws wste na enhmerwqei kai o ellhnikos laos gia tis skeceis poy yparxoyn gyrw apo tis allages;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei mia seira apo anafores kai enhmerwseis poy exoyn hdh ginei apo ton armodio ypoyrgo K. Skandalidh sta politika kommata. Epishs, yparxoyn kai palaioteres protaseis poy exoyn katateqei apo to armodio ypoyrgeio pros ta politika kommata kai exei systaqei mia diakommatikh epitroph. Ola ayta, einai ypo syzhthsh. Meta tis giortes, apo tis arxes toy epomenoy etoys, qa analhfqei mia seira prwtoboyliwn apo to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs. Aytes oi prwtoboylies den qa aforoyn ton eklogiko nomo, gia na mhn yparxei kamia paranohsh. Qa aforoyn megala zhthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn poreia kai thn apotelesmatikothta ths apokentrwshs, me thn parapera apotelesmatikothta kai ton eksygxronismo ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai sth synexeia me ta zhthmata ths poiothtas toy politikoy mas zhthmatos. Se ola ayta den mporei kaneis na einai antiqetos sto dialogo.

ANTYPAS: Se o,ti afora thn apokentrwsh, dedomenoy oti erxontai kai oi dhmotikes ekloges, yparxei kapoio sxedio poy einai amesa efarmosimo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kamia allagh mexri tis dhmotikes ekloges poy na tis ephreasei. Ta problhmata oloi qeloyme na lyqoyn.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Me dedomeno oti egine syzhthsh sthn K.E. gia ta agrotika qemata kai me dedomeno oti to Sabbatokyriako, opws maqainoyme, qa paei kybernhtiko kai kommatiko klimakio sth Qessalia, yparxei kati poy na synista ejelijh se o,ti afora thn pleyra ths kybernhshs se epipedo entolwn h kateyqynsewn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme anaferqei, kat` epanalhch, stoys xeirismoys toy ypoyrgeioy Gewrgias, alla kai th sthrijh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sta qemata twn kapnoparagwgwn kai twn bambakoparagwgwn, poy eixan ikanopoihtika kai idiaitera qetika apotelesmata. Ayta, akribws, ta apotelesmata qeloyme na ta gnwstopoihsoyme mexri kai sto ligotero enhmerwmeno ayth th stigmh Ellhna agroth. Qeloyme oloi na gnwrizoyn kai ta apotelesmata twn prospaqeiwn kai tis prooptikes poy dianoigontai. Kata th diarkeia ths episkechs toy kybernhtikoy kai kommatikoy klimakioy sth Larisa, qa analyqei kai apo ton k. Dry o programmatismos mas gia th nea kallierghtikh periodo. Einai h prwth fora poy h kybernhsh qa anaferqei apo to Dekembrio se genikoteroys programmatismoys poy aforoyn thn perioxh gia th nea kallierghtikh periodo.

KARGOYDH: Hqela na rwthsw, ean sta qemata poy perielhfqhsan sthn K.E. htan kai h tyxh ths O.A.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den syzhthqhke kati tetoio, shmera. Ejalloy, den einai dynato na syzhthqei, otan synexizetai h ejetash ths deyterhs prosforas.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh, xqes, parakoloyqhsa mia synenteyjh sthn thleorash toy k. Liakoynakoy, apokomisa thn entypwsh oti o k. Liakoynakos apesyre thn protash toy h en pash periptwsei den yphrje qetikh katalhjh, giati qewroyse asymfora tria zhthmata gia ton idio ws epixeirhmatia. To ena htan to ergasiako, to deytero htan to kostos toy aerodromioy twn Spatwn kai to trito htan to spatoshmo. Qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh protiqetai se ayta ta tria zhthmata aixmhs, me to deytero ypochfio, na exei pio eyelikth politikh.

PRWTOPAPAS: O dialogos se ayta ta krisima zhthmata den prepei na ginetai apo thleorasews kai malista katopin eorths. O dialogos prepei na ginetai panw sta problhmata kai kata th diarkeia ths ejetashs twn prosforwn. H kybernhsh syzhta me ton prosferonta, panw se pragmatikoys oroys, sto trapezi toy dialogoy kai oxi me ayto ton tropo. Apo ekei kai pera, sas parapempw se mia seira dhlwsewn toy k. Berelh, o opoios exei enhmerwsei analytika gyrw apo mia seira zhthmata.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: O k. Liakoynakos, xqes, eipe oti oi syzhthseis poy ekane me thn kybernhsh proeblepan, metajy allwn -kai to lew ayto, giati proxqes o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti h kybernhsh qa frontisei toys ergazomenoys- 2.000 ergazomenoi na apoxwrhsoyn, eite me syntajh, eite me oikonomika krithria. Isxyei kati tetoio; Yparxei protash ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Liakoynakos anaferqhke stis protaseis ths etairias toy, oi opoies ayth th stigmh den isxyoyn, dedomenoy oti den ekplhrwse oroys ths prosforas kai toy diagwnismoy poy eixe analabei.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Epibebaiwnete thn plhroforia oti o Prwqypoyrgos synefage, xqes to brady, me thn k. Aggelopoyloy kai an yparxei kati apo ayth th synanthsh poy na afora kai toys Olympiakoys Agwnes;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizw, alla den apotelei qema ths politikhs enhmerwshs mas.

ROYMELIWTH: Eipate oti sto plaisio ths Synodoy Koryfhs sto Laaken, qa syzhthsete kai to qema toy Eyrwstratoy. Exete katalhjei sto poia qa einai h platforma twn qesewn poy qa yposthrijei h ellhnikh pleyra, me bash oti gnwrizoyme kai to bretaniko keimeno;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai shmantikh h erwthsh, dioti ayto to qema apotelei ena apo ta krisimotera zhthmata ths Synodoy. Yphrje h xqesinh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn kai Eqnikhs Amynas. Syzhthqhke, pragmati, h diamorfwsh ths ellhnikhs qeshs, afoy eixe prohghqei h prosektikh ejetash toy keimenoy kai h diapragmateytikh qesh poy exei h Ellada se ayta ta zhthmata. To keimeno qa paroysiastei shmera kai sth Synodo toy NATO, alla den qa syzhthqei ekei. Qa syzhthqei ekei poy prepei, dhladh th Deytera, sth Synodo twn ypoyrgwn Genikwn Ypoqesewn ths E.E. opoy qa parabrisketai kai o Ellhnas YPEJ. Ekei, qa ginei h syzhthsh kai ean men yparjei apofash -poy opws gnwrizete proypoqetei omofwnia- qa erqei to qema kai sto Symboylio Koryfhs. Diaforetika, mporei na erqei to qema sto Symboylio Koryfhs, xwris na yparxei h eishghsh toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn, gia na lhfqoyn oi telikes apofaseis. As doyme thn oysia: Einai ena keimeno me prwtoboylia ths bretanikhs kai amerikanikhs pleyras. Me to keimeno ayto exei symfwnhsei kai h Toyrkia. Gia thn ellhnikh pleyra h qesh einai safhs: Prepei na yparjoyn allages se ayto to keimeno, wste na einai symfwno me to gramma kai to pneyma twn apofasewn ths Synodoy Koryfhs ths Nikaias. Pros ayth thn kateyqynsh exoyn hdh analhfqei prwtoboylies ths ellhnikhs pleyras kai pros toys syntaktes toy keimenoy, alla kai pros alla krath-melh ths E.E.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Poies akribws allages ennoei h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh ennoei allages se dyo shmeia, sta opoia ektima oti yparxoyn asafeies h elleiceis poy mporei na dhmioyrghsoyn parermhneies. Tonizw oti meta th diamorfwsh ths telikhs ellhnikhs diapragmateytikhs qeshs panw se ayto to keimeno, qa yparjei kai h anagkaia enhmerwsh pros ta politika kommata. Ayth, bebaiws, qa ginotan meta th diamorfwsh ths telikhs qeshs, gi ayto kai den biasthkame.

ANTYPAS: Ean einai anakoinwsimo kai den parembainoyme sthn diapragmateytikh praktikh, poia einai ayta ta dyo shmeia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epeidh akribws einai poly lepta shmeia kai qa xreiazotan arketos xronos gia na ta analysoyme, qa sas anaferw mono oti to ena qema afora thn periptwsh erwthshs h symmetoxhs -oxi omws me dikaiwma veto, allla ypo th symboyleytikh ennoia- xwras-meloys toy NATO, mh meloys ths E.E. gia askhseis h epixeirhseis, poy qa analhfqoyn apo ton Eyrwstrato. Yparxei mia protash gia tis askhseis h epixeirhseis poy qa analhfqoyn apo ton Eyrwstrato, na erwtatai -ypo th morfh ths diaboyleyshs omws, kai oxi toy veto, opws exw tonisei- tyxon endiaferomeno melos, to opoio einai melos toy NATO. To qema einai oti emeis qeloyme mia diatypwsh poy na diasfalizei plhrws th safhneia twn diadikasiwn.

To deytero shmeio, exei na kanei me diatypwseis, opoy ekfrazontai oi aytonohtes arxes, oti h E.E. den exei logo na amfisbhtei toys symmaxoys ths, alla apo thn allh pleyra qa prepei na analambanontai kai analoges ypoxrewseis apo pleyras symmaxwn -ennow sto plaisio toy NATO- xwrwn-melwn ths E.E. Kai oi symmaxoi den prepei se kamia periptwsh na amfisbhtoyn thn eqnikh kyriarxia twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E. Ayto einai qema, opws antilambaneste, diatypwsewn kai allagwn poy prepei na yparjoyn sto keimeno. Einai safes oti gia thn ellhnikh pleyra prepei an yparjoyn allages. Pros ayth thn kateyqynsh exoyme energopoihqei, dhmioyrgoyme tis analoges proypoqeseis synennohshs kai me ta alla krath-melh ths E.E. Ypenqymizw oti den yparxei apodoxh h symfwnia ths E.E. sto keimeno. Kanoyme th doyleia mas symfwna me ta eqnika symferonta mas.

ROYMELIWTH: O Prwqypoyrgos sth synenteyjh toy kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn exoyn yposthrijei oti ginontai epafes me tis xwres-melh ths E.E. wste na yparxei symmaxia. Mexri ayth th stigmh, aytes oi diaboyleyseis exoyn apoferei apotelesma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Se aytes tis periptwseis isxyei to ``oper edei deije''. Kanoyme oles tis anagkaies kinhseis. Eimaste apolyta etoimoi. Zhtoyme sygkekrimenes allages sto keimeno. Qeloyme na proxwrhsei o Eyrwstratos, alla mesa sto pneyma, to gramma kai to plaisio twn apofasewn ths Nikaias. Pros ayth th kateyqynsh analambanoyme oles tis anagkaies prwtoboylies. Qa exoyme thn eykairia, meta th Deytera, na kanoyme ton prwto apologismo aytwn twn energeiwn.

BATIKIWTHS: Na epistrecoyme sto qema twn laqrometanastwn. Se periptwsh poy epanaprowqoyntai metanastes, poia dynatothta exoyn na kataqesoyn aithsh gia politiko asylo; Mhpws, dhladh, ayth h taktikh twn epanaprowqhsewn sthn prajh oysiastika katargei th dynatothta aithshs politikoy asyloy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kamia tetoia proqesh, dioti gnwrizete oti xqes syzhthqhke sthn Epitroph twn ypoyrgwn kai qema epitaxynshs twn diadikasiwn xorhghshs politikoy asyloy stoys metanastes.

BATIKIWTHS: Nai, alla otan ena karabi to diwxnoyn apo ta ellhnika xwrika ydata kai to stelnoyn pisw, ean mesa ekei yparxoyn politikoi prosfyges, opws yphrxan kai sthn periptwsh ths Zakynqoy...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ypoqetoyme oti yphrxan.

BATIKIWTHS: To dhlwse h Dieqnhs Amnhstia. Dhmosieyse malista kai ta onomata toys, htan apo ta ``leyka kelia'' apergoi peinas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti ayto prepei na ejetastei gia na yparxei kai h symfwnia ths ellhnikhs pleyras. Alla, bebaiws, den exoyme kamia antirrhsh. Opoy prepei na xorhgoyme politiko asylo, symfwna me tis genikoteres kateyqynseis toy OHE, qa xorhgoyme. Peri aytoy den yparxei kamia amfibolia. Apo kei kai pera, den einai dynaton h Ellada na metatrapei se xwra anoiktwn synorwn. Katalabainete ti qa ginei, ean kaqe fora poy enas doylemporos stelnei ena ploio me 1000 h 2000 anqrwpoys ayrio, emeis eimaste anoiktoi kai etoimoi na toys ypodexqoyme sthn ellhnikh koinwnia kai oikonomia. Qa dhmioyrghqoyn meizona problhmata.

BATIKIWTHS: H Ypath Armosteia toy OHE parathrhse se anakoinwsh ths meta th symfwnia kai to prwtokolla poy ypografhke metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias, oti den ginetai kamia sygkekrimenh anafora sth Synqhkh ths Geneyhs. Epishs, oi epanaprowqhseis einai apagoreymenes apo th Synqhkh ths Geneyhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Twn prosfygwn.

BATIKIWTHS: Nai, alla prepei na toys doqei h dynatothta.

PRWTOPAPAS: Nai, alla, twn politikwn prosfygwn h allwn anqrwpwn poy exoyn toys xarakthrismoys poy exei qesei o OHE. Edw, den prokeitai gia prosfyges. Gnwrizete poly kala oti olh ayth h istoria exei dhmioyrghsei ena fainomeno ekatontadwn xiliadwn laqrometanastwn sthn Ellada. Einai diaforetikh h ypodoxh enos prosfyga -kai ayto perilambanetai stis dieqneis synqhkes- kai diaforetiko qema h laqrometanasteysh. Den mporoyme na sygxeoyme sto bwmo dyo anomoia pragmata. Katalabainoyme oti yparxei eyaisqhsia.

BATIKIWTHS: Sto politiko asylo sygkekrimena, kyrie Ypoyrge.

PRWTOPAPAS: Megalh eyaisqhsia sto politiko asylo kai kalws kanete kai thn exete. Ki emeis thn exoyme. Pisteyw oti oloi sth xwra mas exoyme idiaiterh eyaisqhsia sta qemata politikoy asyloy kai den ejairw kanenan. Alla, allo to politiko asylo kai allo, ayrio, h paroysia allwn ekatontadwn xiliadwn laqrometanastwn. Analogisteite ti problhmata mporei na prokycoyn, oxi mono sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Den to ejetazw apo th skopia ayth. Analogisteite ti problhmata mporei na prokycoyn kai ti fainomena mporei na anaptyxqoyn. H Ellada kai perieqalce kai frontise ekatontades xiliades laqrometanastes kai edwse dyo eykairies, mexri twra, gia th nomimopoihsh toys. Analogisteite thn prospaqeia poy kaname pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Alla ola ayta einai dynata ws ena baqmo. Apo kei kai pera, den mporoyme. Den eimaste xwra anoiktwn synorwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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