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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4 Septembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Syzhthsame thn politikh mas gia th staqerothta, thn anaptyjh kai thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh. Qa kanei dhlwseis o Prwqypoyrgos, anaferomenos se sygkekrimenes apofaseis poy pairnei h kybernhsh kai aforoyn megala tmhmata toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy. Den qa mpw se leptomereies, arkoymai mono na kanw ena geniko politiko sxolio: Me thn politikh poy akoloyqhsame ston tomea ayto, ta teleytaia xronia, exoyme qesei tis asfaleis baseis gia thn poreia ths xwras ta epomena xronia. O sxediasmos ths politikhs mas se ayton ton tomea exei xroniko orizonta to 2004. Einai poly shmantiko ayto. Oi epidoseis ths ellhnikhs oikonomias epitrepoyn ayton to makroxronio sxediasmo. Einai kati poy ginetai gia prwth fora sthn patrida mas.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa anaferqei me leptomereies stis apofaseis poy phrame gia eidika qemata, gia metra poy aforoyn megalo tmhma toy plhqysmoy shmera. Tis epomenes hmeres, kata thn paroysia toy sth Qessalonikh, qa kanei ektetamenh anafora sto synolo twn qematwn aytwn. Qa anaferqei se oles tis pleyres, se oles tis ptyxes ayths ths politikhs.

Kleinontas, ayth thn poly mikrh eisagwgh, sas enhmerwnw -opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos- oti thn epomenh ebdomada , thn Pempth (13/9) qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, me antikeimeno syzhthshs thn eisagwgh kai xrhsimopoihsh toy "eyrw". Se ayth th synedriash qa kanei eishghsh o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias, alla qa einai parwn kai o Dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados k. Loykas Papadhmos, afoy h Trapeza ths Ellados einai h armodia arxh poy shkwnei ena megalo baros ths proetoimasias ths xwras mas gia th xrhsimopoihsh toy koinoy eyrwpaikoy nomismatos.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena sxolio, epeidh akoysa ton k. Karamanlh na exei kanei kapoies dhlwseis. Prwta apo ola prepei na ekfrasoyme thn aporia mas, pws einai dynato na krinei tis dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, xwris na gnwrizei to periexomeno aytwn twn dhlwsewn. H apogohteysh ths hgesias ths Neas Dhmokratias einai fanerh. Einai kakos symboylos h apogohteysh gia mia politikh paratajh. Pisteyw oti ayto symbainei se oles ekeines tis periptwseis poy mia politikh paratajh trefei froydes elpides. Ayth einai h periptwsh ths N.D.. H N.D. pasxei apo antipoliteytikh tyflwsh. An den qelei na dei thn pragmatikothta, oson afora tis epityxies ths kybernhshs ston oikonomiko kai koinwniko tomea, einai dikaiwma ths. Den einai dikaiwma ths, omws, na memcimoirei gia to oti h kybernhsh pairnei apofaseis poy bohqoyn tis asqenesteres koinwnika omades toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy na ejasfalisoyn kalyteroys oroys diabiwshs. Oi apofaseis ths kybernhshs aforoyn tis omades toy plhqysmoy poy exoyn anagkh ths bohqeias ths Politeias. H N.D. strefetai, oysiastika, enantion aytwn twn politwn, otan me ta ewla epixeirhmata poy xrhsimopoiei, me toys asthriktoys isxyrismoys ths, prospaqei na skiasei to epiteygma ths kybernhshs ston tomea ayto.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: O k. Shmiths anaferqhke se allo qema;

REPPAS: Den anaferqhke se kanena allo qema.

MIXAHL: Dhladh, mphkate kateyqeian sth syzhthsh@

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe akribws oti o sxediasmos mas exei orizonta to 2004 kai edwse to logo ston k. Papantwnioy, o opoios ekane ektetamenh anafora sthn katastash ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai bebaiws anafora kai sta qemata ta opoia qa apotelesoyn kai to kat` ejoxhn antikeimeno ths dhlwshs sthn opoia qa probei se ligh wra o Prwqypoyrgos.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti o sxediasmos sas gia thn oikonomia exei orizonta to 2004. Prwton, poy basizete ayth thn aisiodojia sas kai deyteron, poso sigoyroi eiste oti to 2004 qa eiste eseis kybernhsh, dedomenoy oti exoyme ekloges. Pws mporeite apo twra na prodikasete oti qa efarmosete ayta poy twra ligo-poly exete apofasisei na dromologhsete;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, gnwrizete oti to 2004 einai o orizontas ayths ths tetraetoys qhteias ths kybernhshs. Exoyme, loipon, to pronomio -eimaste isws h prwth kybernhsh, edw kai polles dekaeties sthn Ellada- na sxediazoyme thn politikh mas me ayto to baqos xronoy. Kai ayto ofeiletai sto oti exoyme qesei tis ygieis baseis, wste h oikonomia ths xwras mas na anamenetai na anaptyxqei kai ta epomena xronia me oroys kai pososta poy einai se poly ychlo epipedo. Kai malista sygkrinomena me ta antistoixa poy isxyoyn se alles xwres ths Eyrwphs, prepei ta epipeda poy exoyme kerdisei na mas kanoyn na niwqoyme dikaiologhmena ikanopoihsh.

Oi ryqmoi anaptyjhs sth xwra mas einai poly ychloi. Sto etos ayto qa kinhqoyn sto 4,6%. To pososto ayto einai poly chlotero, sxedon to diplasio, apo to meso oro poy xarakthrizei toys ryqmoys anaptyjhs stis xwres ths Eyrwzwnhs. Epishs, gnwrizete poly kala, oti kai gia ta epomena xronia oi probleceis gia thn Ellada einai aisiodojes. Poly perissotero, epeidh anamenetai mia anakamch sth dieqnh oikonomia, h opoia twra gnwrizete oti alloy perissotero, alloy ligotero brisketai se yfesh. Megales xwres, isxyres oikonomies, opws oi HPA, h Iapwnia, h Germania, gnwrizoyn yfesh. H anakamch poy anamenetai apo oloys gia ta epomena xronia qa bohqhsei, wste na yparxei ena kalytero dieqnes periballon. Qa bohqhsei kai th xwra mas na diathrhsei aytoys toys ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs. Gia to 2002, fer` eipein, problepetai oti h Ellada qa exei ena ryqmo anaptyjhs poy qa ftanei sto 5%. Qa einai, dhladh, chloteros apo to ryqmo poy petyxame gia th xronia poy se ligoys mhnes teleiwnei. Ayth einai h dikaiologhmenh aisiodojia poy exoyme, h opoia mas epitrepei na kanoyme ayto to sxediasmo.

TAKHS: Mias kai anaferqhkate stis dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh, epishs zhthse dhmosio dialogo ef` olhs ths ylhs apo ton k. Shmith. To eixe zhthsei kai sto parelqon. Yparxei periptwsh na dexqei o Prwqypoyrgos ayth thn prosklhsh;

REPPAS: Emeis eimaste ypermaxoi ths diapalhs twn idewn, ths antiparaqeshs twn epixeirhmatwn, giati pisteyw oti exoyme kalytera "opla" sth diaqesh mas. Exoyme epixeirhmata, exoyme ta apotelesmata ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, exoyme sygkekrimeno programma, exoyme kalytera stelexh. O dialogos aytos ginetai toso sth Boylh, oso kai sth dhmosia sfaira. Ews twra, kat` epanalhch, exoyn antiparateqei oi dyo politikes paratajeis kai oi dyo politikoi hgetes. Pisteyw oti exoyme kaqe logo na to epidiwkoyme ayto na ginei ston idio baqmo h kai pio systhmatika sto mellon, giati qewroyme oti h kybernhsh mas kai to PASOK apo tetoioy eidoys antiparaqeseis bgainoyn pantote kerdismenoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa kanei, dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos dialogo, se mia thleorash, apeyqeias me ton k. Karamanlh; Ayto to apodexetai dhladh;

REPPAS: H apanthsh poy edwsa htan safhs. Lypoymai giati h antilhch poy eseis exete gia to dhmokratiko dialogo ejantleitai se mia syzhthsh, mesw twn thleoptikwn staqmwn. Gnwrizete oti sth Boylh poly syxna exoyn ginei syzhthseis se epipedo arxhgwn. Kai bebaiws h antiparaqesh sth dhmosia sfaira mesw ths antallaghs epixeirhmatwn -epixeirhmatwn apo th dikh mas pleyra, atekmhriwtwn isxyrismwn apo thn pleyra ths N.D.- odhgoyn toys polites sto na bgaloyn ena asfales symperasma. Kai to symperasma poy bgazoyn oi polites, opws exei apodeijei h chfos poy dinoyn sta kommata mexri twra, mporei na pei kaneis oti mas dikaiwnei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, mesw thleorashs den ginetai dhmokratikos dialogos;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti oi erwthseis poy jekinoyn me ena "dhladh" zhtoyn mia peraiterw epejhghsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O dialogos mesw thleorashs, den einai dhmokratikos; Na mh balw to "dhladh".

REPPAS: Asfalws, einai. Alla den einai ayto poy oloklhrwnei th dhmokratikh diadikasia sto plaisio ths antiparaqeshs twn politikwn kommatwn, opws thn antilambaneste eseis. Ayto ginetai thn katallhlh stigmh kai me tetoio tropo, wste oloi na gnwrizoyn poies einai oi qeseis twn kommatwn. O ellhnikos laos exei antilhfqei oti h kybernhsh exei programma. Den blepei kati analogo sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Gi` ayto, allwste, o laos kat` epanalhch chfizei to PASOK gia na kybernhsei th xwra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, ektos apo thn ayjhsh toy EKAS kai twn syntajewn toy OGA, thn ayjhsh kata 10% twn epidomatwn se atoma me eidikes anagkes, thn katabolh toy oikogeneiakoy epidomatos kai stoys dyo syzygoys, thn ayjhsh kata 50% twn epidomatwn teknwn kai gamwn kai thn ef` apaj xorhghsh enos ekatommyrioy gia to trito paidi, qa pei kai alla;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, lypamai...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh lete oti den ta jerame, oti den ta hjere kanenas. Ta exei diarreysei ola o k. Papantwnioy kai lete oti den ta hjere kanenas.

REPPAS: Poio einai to problhma poy exete eseis; To oti qa doqoyn ayta ta shmantika posa gia thn enisxysh asqenesterwn omadwn; Blepw oti dhmioyrgei se kapoioys mia enoxlhsh sta oria ths politikhs apogohteyshs. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai na efarmostoyn ta metra ayta to syntomotero dynato. H arxh toy neoy xronoy einai h xronikh afethria efarmoghs aytwn twn metrwn. Se synexeia allwn metrwn poy exoyme apofasisei sto parelqon kai exoyn hdh efarmostei, qa odhghsoyme sto na beltiwqei to epipedo ths zwhs enos megaloy tmhmatos toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy. Ayto prepei na mas xaropoiei oloys, anejarthtws ths paratajhs sthn opoia anhkoyme, giati synista mia proodo gia th xwra. O Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios qa probei se sxetikes dhlwseis, prepei ekeinos na anakoinwsei ta metra ayta. Egw mporw na to kanw, an qelete, alla qa sas koyrasw me ariqmoys kai stoixeia poy qa einai kai dyskolo na ta parakoloyqhsete.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi, ta jeroyme ayta ta metra. Ayto sas lew.

REPPAS: Kalws. Exete labei ta ....metra sas!

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh prokeitai na steilei ayto to porisma poy katateqhke sth Boylh apo to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai to opoio to eixe apokrycei, qa to steilei ston eisaggelea;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, h N.D. anazhtei alloqi gia thn prosfath eklogikh htta ths. Gia tis epomenes httes poy prokeitai na ypostei h N.D., den gnwrizw ti allo mporei na epikalestei. Sto synolo twn "ellhnopoihsewn" -as to pw etsi- poy exoyn ginei ta teleytaia 10 xronia kai anerxontai ston ariqmo twn 104.000, oi 56.000 apodoseis iqageneias se polites, exoyn ginei mesa se mia trietia. Thn periodo, dhladh, poy kybernhse h N.D. Ayto kai mono deixnei poia einai h periodos ekeinh sthn opoia yphrje adiafaneia, oson afora ayth th dioikhtikh prajh. Kata ta alla, gnwrizete oti to porisma ayto einai apotelesma mias ereynas poy egine apo paragonta toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, meta apo entolh poy edwse o idios o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Kai to porisma ayto, diapistwnei oti xreiazetai peraiterw ereyna se orismenes pleyres, pragma to opoio einai se ejelijh. Ayth thn wra, synexizetai h ereyna sto YPEJ. Otan oloklhrwqei, asfalws qa apotelesei antikeimeno, prokeimenoy na ejaxqoyn symperasmata kai na apodoqoyn eyqynes se aytoys poy tis exoyn. Einai fanero giati h N.D. anakinei ayto to qema. Den qa petyxei tipota, opws den petyxe tipota kai sto prosfato parelqon poy kai pali katapiasthke me analoga zhthmata. Qa prepei na paradexqei oti h htta ths sthn eklogikh anametrhsh ths me to PASOK, ofeiletai sto oti, akribws, stereito programmatos, oramatos kai se aytoys toys tomeis qa prepei na beltiwsei thn epidosh ths. Oso den prospaqei gi` ayto, h N.D. einai katadikasmenh na httatai apo to PASOK.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sthn erwthsh qa moy apanthsete;

REPPAS: Apanthsa me leptomereies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Rwthsa: Qa to steilete ston eisaggelea to porisma; Kai eseis moy eipate gia th N.D. Ti me noiazei emena gia th N.D.;

REPPAS: Ma, to jerw oti den sas noiazei gia th N.D., gi` ayto milw me ayto ton tropo, giati jerw oti den sas enoxlw. Alliws, an sas enoxloyse, den qa miloysa etsi, giati den qelw na sas dysarestw. Ayto to opoio, omws, exei shmasia -kai to lew- einai oti h ereyna synexizetai. Kai epeidh h ereyna synexizetai, qa prepei na oloklhrwqei, prokeimenoy na apodoqoyn oi eyqynes. To idio to "porisma Dhmhtrioy" sto opoio anafereste, leei xarakthristika oti qa prepei na yparjei peraiterw ereyna se polles pleyres aytoy toy qematos. Ayth h ereyna, loipon, einai twra se ejelijh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` aytoys, k. Ypoyrge, poy mila gia eyqynes. Ayto qa to steilete ston eisaggelea, nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Asfalws kai qa apodoqoyn oi eyqynes se aytoys poy tis exoyn. Qa plhrwsoyn to timhma aytoi poy den exoyn askhsei ta kaqhkonta toys me nomimo tropo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote; Otan paragrafei, dhladh. Gi` ayto to trabate, gia na paragrafei!

REPPAS: Ayth h lejh den prepei na xrhsimopoieitai apo ekeinoys, idiws apo thn pleyra ths N.D....

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ante pali h N.D.!

REPPAS: ...giati h periodos poy kybernhse h N.D. einai sxetika makrinh. O kindynos paragrafhs yparxei gia ekeinh thn periodo poy egine to megalytero pososto apodoshs iqageneias se polites.

TAKHS: Epeidh diabasa, xqes, to eggrafo ths N.D. gia to porisma, kanei logo gia 150.000 palinnosthseis apo to 1993 kai meta. Kai rwtw, poia apo ayta ta stoixeia einai swsta;

REPPAS: Jerete, se ayto to megalo ariqmo ypologizontai kai polloi oi opoioi hrqan sthn Ellada, meta metakinhqhkan apo th xwra mas kai epanhlqan sthn Ellada kai stoys opoioys den exei apodoqei h ellhnikh iqageneia. O ariqmos aytos einai sxetikos, afoy polloi, peripoy 40.000, zoyn sthn Ellada, xwris na exoyn apokthsei thn ellhnikh iqageneia. Kai sas eipa poios einai o synolikos ariqmos twn politwn stoys opoioys exei apodoqei ellhnikh iqageneia. O ariqmos aytos anerxetai gia thn teleytaia 10etia stis 104.000, ek twn opoiwn oi 56.000 apodoseis ellhnikhs iqageneias se polites eginan thn 3etia poy kybernhse h N.D.

Sas eyxaristw.

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