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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 31 Maioy 2001

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI

KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Antikeimeno ths synedriashs htan h eyrwpaikh politikh, enocei kai ths proedrias toy a` ejamhnoy toy 2003, thn opoia qa askhsei h xwra mas. Basikos eishghths htan o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy. Gnwrizete oti ta qemata poy aforoyn thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh briskontai sthn epikairothta.

Shmera, episkeptetai th xwra mas o proedreywn Soyhdos Prwqypoyrgos Gkoran Person, o opoios qa synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Dhlwseis twn dyo Prwqypoyrgwn, anamenontai gyrw stis 17.30.

Thn epomenh ebdomada, o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei to Berolino kai qa exei synomilies me to Germano Kagkelario, me kyrio qema to ``mellon ths Eyrwphs''.

Th meqepomenh ebdomada, qa metabei sto Gketemporgk, gia na labei meros sth Synodo Koryfhs toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy.

H xwra mas proetoimazetai apo twra se oloys toys tomeis gia thn organwsh mias artias Proedrias. Exoyme epilejei th Qessalonikh, ws thn polh, sthn opoia qa pragmatopoihqei, apo 19 ews kai 21 Ioynioy 2003, h Synodos Koryfhs. H Atyph Synodos Koryfhs qa ginei stis Bryjelles, to Martio toy 2003, giati -opws gnwrizete- exei apofasistei apo thn E.E., h Atyph Synodos na ginetai pleon sthn edra twn yphresiwn ths E.E., kai oxi sth xwra poy askei thn Proedria. Qa ginei, bebaiws, enas megalos ariqmos Atypwn Symboyliwn Ypoyrgwn kai sthn Ellada, ektos apo ta epishma Symboylia.

Ypologizetai oti to synoliko kostos gia tis ypoxrewseis ths Proedrias qa anelqei peripoy sta 13 dis. draxmes.

Apofasisame gia logoys organwtikoys, texnikoys, diadikastikoys, yposthrijhs ths Proedrias, sth dioikhsh kaqe ypoyrgeioy mia eidikh yphresiakh monada na asxolhqei me ta qemata ayta. Oi yphresies poy yparxoyn qa employtistoyn kai qa anabaqmistoyn. Qa yparjei anaqesh sygkekrimenwn kaqhkontwn stis yphresies aytes poy mporoyn na stelexwqoyn me to analogo proswpiko. Se kaqe ypoyrgeio prepei na epilegoyn stelexh me ejeidikeymena prosonta gyrw apo ayta ta qemata.

Oi politikes poy qa probaloyme, kata th diarkeia ths Proedrias, qa syzhthqoyn kai se epomenes synedriaseis toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, me antikeimeno ta epimeroys qemata poy aforoyn thn E.E.

Einai sxetika nwris gia na katalhjoyme sta qemata ta opoia qa mas apasxolhsoyn, kata th diarkeia ths Proedrias. Allwste den ejartatai mono apo emas. Ejartatai apo th roh twn diaforwn qematwn, sto plaisio ths E.E. Den gnwrizoyme poia qemata qa exoyn ``kleisei'', poia qa paramenoyn ``anoikta kai ekkremh'' kai qa prepei na antimetwpisoyme h poia einai ayta poy, gia prwth fora, qa ``anoijoyn'' tote. Se synennohsh me thn E.E. -opws symbainei me kaqe xwra- h xwra mas qa kanei tis epiloges, oson afora to periexomeno twn politikwn, kata th diarkeia ths Proedrias mas. Gia na exoyme, omws, mia eikona gia to pws kinoyntai ta qemata ths E.E. shmeiwnw oti, to 2003 qa exei epikyrwqei kai h Synqhkh ths Nikaias, pragma poy shmainei oti h E.E. qa leitoyrgei me neoys Kanones. Epishs, einai piqano na exoyn oloklhrwqei oi diapragmateyseis me thn prwth, ypo entajh, omada xwrwn, sthn opoia perilambanetai kai h Kypros, gegonos poy shmainei oti to qema qa teqei pros syzhthsh kai isws na lhfqei h sxetikh apofash, kata th diarkeia toy A` ejamhnoy toy 2003. Exei diatypwqei apo polloys h qesh na oloklhrwqoyn oi diadikasies egkairws, wste oi nees xwres- melh ths E.E. na laboyn meros stis Eyrwekloges toy 2004.

Thn Ellhnikh Proedria sthn earinh Atyph Synodo Koryfhs, qa apasxolhsei -etsi ki alliws- h ejelijh twn qematwn poy apofasisthkan, ws plaisio, sth Synodo Koryfhs ths Lissabonas. Gnwrizete oti ta qemata ayta poy aforoyn thn Apasxolhsh kai thn Antagwnistikothta sth nea oikonomia, thn oikonomia ths gnwshs, paramenoyn pantote sto trapezi.

Qa mas apasxolhsei, epishs, h politikh poy qa akoloyqhsei h E.E. se tomeis, opws einai o tomeas toy Aqlhtismoy, enocei twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004.

Ston pagkosmio Organismo Emporioy to 2003, lhgei h legomenh ``rhtra eirhnhs'' kai tote polla qemata qa syzhthqoyn.

Shmeiwnw, epishs oti sthn EYRWzwnh h xwra mas qa askhsei kaqhkonta Proedrias gia 12 mhnes, afoy h xwra poy prohgeitai, dhladh h Dania, den symmetexei sthn EYRWzwnh. Ara h Ellada analambanei kaqhkonta proedreyoysas xwras, apo ton Ioynio toy 2002 ews ton Ioynio toy 2003.

Qemata me idiaitero endiaferon einai ayta poy aforoyn ta Balkania, thn politikh asfaleias sthn perioxh, thn politikh gia tis meionothtes, th laqrometanasteysh, toys prosfyges. Sto shmeio ayto qa hqela na sas pw oti, opws anefere o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy, ta Balkania htan sto epikentro twn syzhthsewn, sth prosfath Synodo toy NATO poy egine sth Boydapesth.

Ypenqymizw oti einai stoxos ths E.E. kai anamenetai, to 2003, na exei oloklhrwqei h sygkrothsh ths dynamhs twn 60.000 stelexwn toy ``eyrwpaikoy stratoy''. Kai ayto einai ena qema poy qa yparxei sthn atzenta ths E.E.

Oson afora to mellon ths Eyrwphs kai th syzhthsh poy ginetai, exoyn diatypwqei, opws gnwrizete, diafores apoceis. O Prwqypoyrgos kai alla kybernhtika stelexh, stis 11 Ioylioy sto Zappeio Megaro, gia prwth fora, qa anaptyjoyn to plaisio twn apocewn ths kybernhshs gia ola ayta ta qemata. H syzhthsh ayth einai poly endiaferoysa kai qa epektaqei se baqos xronoy. Ta protypa, ta opoia mporoyme na akoloyqhsoyme gia thn eyrwpaikh oloklhrwsh einai:

Prwton, h omospondiakh morfh ths Eyrwphs, poy problepei mia omospondia eqnikwn kratwn.

Deyteron, h diakybernhtikh morfh synergasias.

Triton, to koinotiko montelo poy antapokrinetai peripoy sto shmerino sxhma.

H Ellada anoigei ta xartia ths sthn ekdhlwsh poy qa ginei stis 11 Ioylioy sto Zappeio.

Ayto htan to plaisio ths syzhthshs. Prepei na sas pw oti yparxei problhmatismos, me polles endiaferoyses apoceis, gia to an sto plaisio ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias qa epilejoyme na anaptyjoyme ena kentriko qema, to opoio qa ferei th sfragida ths dikhs mas Proedrias. Einai ena qema poy endiaferei oloys toys Eyrwpaioys polites kai qa epidiwjei th qetikh symbolh gia thn antimetwpish toy. Ayto poy epiqymoyme einai na einai qema poy qa ephreasei to mellon ths Eyrwphs. Ola ayta ginontai se synennohsh me alles xwres ths Eyrwphs. Epiqymoyme na exoyme mia apotelesmatikh Proedria, wste na epityxoyme kata th diarkeia ths sygkekrimena apotelesmata.

Sth synexeia, o Giwrgos Papandreoy ekane syntomh enhmerwsh gia dyo qemata:

-Oson afora to toyrkiko wkeanografiko, to qema ayto antimetwpisthke meta tis dieykriniseis ths toyrkikhs pleyras kai den yparxei zhthma.

-Oson afora thn katastash sto geitoniko kratos twn Skopiwn, pragmati einai krisimh. H paroysia twn Dieqnwn Organismwn einai ikanopoihtikh, ws pros ta apotelesmata poy epitygxanei. Prepei na eimaste prosektikoi, na parakoloyqoyme thn ejelijh ths katastashs sth geitonikh xwra. Kata ta alla, oi diafores dhlwseis poy ginontai einai -qa moy epitrecete na pw- aney shmasias gia mia xwra san th dikh mas poy den prepei na exei fobika syndroma. Diaforoi fantasioplhktoi kai anistorhtoi, oi opoioi anadeiknyoyn qemata poy, metajy twn allwn, periexoyn kai mia diastash se baros ths xwras, antimetwpizontai apo emas kai th Dieqnh Koinothta me ena kai mono tropo: Me apodokimasia kai periqwriopoihsh. Prokeitai gia paragontes poy den ajizei na sxoliazoyme perissotero.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARAGIANNH: Symfwna me dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``Eleyqeros Typos'', BAN yphresiwn twn HPA katopteyoyn kaqhmerina thn Khfisias. To dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas anaferetai se sygkekrimena stoixeia kai paroysiazei kai fwtografies gia th drasthriothta toys. To erwthma einai, ean h drasthriothta ayth einai se gnwsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, twn armodiwn ellhnikwn arxwn kai sth bash poias symfwnias h synergasias metajy twn dyo xwrwn, ekdhlwnontai ola ta parapanw;

REPPAS: O presbhs twn HPA sthn Aqhna kai stelexh ths amerikanikhs presbeias akoloyqoyntai apo synodeytika oxhmata kai, typoy BAN, me diafora tetoia ejarthmata gia logoys asfaleias. Prepei -kai ayto to gnwrizoyn oi armodies ellhnikes yphresies kai exoyn symfwnhsei- na antimetwpisoyme prolhptika kaqe endexomeno tromokratikhs energeias se baros twn sygkekrimenwn atomwn.

KARAKWSTAS: Gia th stelexwsh twn eidikwn monadwn se kaqe ypoyrgeio. Exete kati perissotero na mas peite;

REPPAS: Einai yparxoyses yphresies, oi opoies qa dieyrynqoyn. Mporei na allajoyn morfh, na anabaqmistoyn. Einai qema poy qa antimetwpisei kaqe ypoyrgeio. Apaiteitai h proslhch shmantikoy ariqmoy stelexwn, prokeimenoy na antapokriqoyme stis ypoxrewseis ths Proedrias.

KARAKWSTAS: Qa einai orismenoy xronoy oi symbaseis;

REPPAS: Ena tmhma twn atomwn poy qa proslhfqoyn, asfalws qa proslhfqoyn me aytoy toy typoy tis symbaseis. Dhladh, qa xrhsimopoihqoyn mono kata thn periodo ths Proedrias.

MIXAHL: To qema ayto to eqese h k. Papandreoy;

REPPAS: Oxi. To eqese o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai einai gnwsto oti oloi symfwnoyme se ayto. Einai kati poy antimetwpizei kaqe xwra poy prokeitai na askhsei kaqhkonta Proedrias sthn E.E. Den antimetwpizetai, loipon, gia prwth fora apo mia xwra.

MIXAHL: Katateqhke sth Boylh to porisma twn eidikwn episthmonwn gia tis radiosyxnothtes. Milane gia tria enallaktika senaria kai anebazoyn ton ariqmo twn diaqesimwn syxnothtwn, xwris kanena problhma, stis 39. To erwthma einai an eseis qa dexqeite to porisma ayto ws armodios Ypoyrgos.

REPPAS: Ligo prin katebw sthn aiqoysa, plhroforhqhka oti pragmati katateqhke sxetiko porisma apo episthmones sthn Epitroph Apotimhshs Texnologias ths Boylhs. Den exw ypoch moy to periexomeno toy porismatos. Ayto, antilambaneste apotelei antikeimeno armodiothtas toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn. Qa to melethsei kai qa ajiopoihsei ola ekeina ta stoixeia, prokeimenoy na enhmerwsei kai emas gia to texniko plaisio poy prepei na laboyme ypoch mas gia na proxwrhsoyme, an ayto einai efikto -makari na einai- sth xorhghsh kai newn adeiwn gia th leitoyrgia radiofwnikwn staqmwn sto Nomo Attikhs. Einai prowro na poyme otidhpote apo thn pleyra mas. Arkoymai na epanalabw th diatajh toy nomoy poy leei oti eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na prokhryssoyme kai na xorhgoyme adeies gia kaqe diaqesimh syxnothta. Efoson prokyptoyn diaqesimes syxnothtes -pragma to opoio mono to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai oi yphresies toy mporoyn na pistopoihsoyn- tote qa prajoyme ki emeis analogws, sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn mas. Alla, den einai dikh mas armodiothta na orizoyme ton ariqmo twn syxnothtwn poy qa diateqoyn.

MIXAHL: Giati biasthkate na prokhryjete tis prohgoymenes 28 adeies kai den perimenate ayth th diadikasia, ayto to porisma twn episthmonwn na paei sto ypoyrgeio Metaforwn, na peistei kai na pei pragmati oti exete dikio kyrioi, etsi opws to proteinete den to eixame skefqei kai ara, na mhn prokycoyn 28 alla 39 adeies.

REPPAS: Kanete ena laqos. Profanws, den parakoloyqhsate thn apanthsh moy. Sas eipa oti ton ariqmo twn syxnothtwn ton orizei to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn. Emeis prokhryjame, prokeimenoy na xorhghsoyme adeies leitoyrgias radiofwnikwn staqmwn, toses syxnothtes oses mas ypedeije, me th meleth poy ekane, to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn me tis yphresies toy. Ara, loipon, to ypoyrgeio Metaforwn prepei na allajei qesh sto sygkekrimeno qema. Den afora emas.

MIXAHL: Den sas rwthsa ws Ypoyrgo Typoy, alla ws Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo...

REPPAS: H diadikasia ayth exei jekinhsei, edw kai kapoia xronia. Den einai diadikasia poy jekinhse xqes. Exei jekinhsei apo to 1997.

MIXAHL: Nai, alla yparxoyn kainoyrgia stoixeia poy allazoyn teleiws ta dedomena.

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta stoixeia, qa melethqoyn apo tis armodies texnikes yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn, oi opoies qa katalhjoyn se sygkekrimeno ariqmo syxnothtwn poy mporei na diateqoyn. O ariqmos aytos qa lhfqei ypoch kai apo emas. Ayto einai to swsto. Alla, mexri tote, den prepei na bgazoyme teliko symperasma.

KAPPOS: Se sxesh me ta dedomena poy dhmioyrgei h anakoinwsh toy UCK, parathrw sth shmerinh dhlwsh sas mia metabolh sth qesh ths kybernhshs kai ena xamhlwma twn tonwn, sxetika me th xqesinh prwth antidrash toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Yparxei kati kainoyrgio poy dikaiologei ayth thn allagh twn tonwn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti o legomenos UCK exei xarakthristei apo oloys ws mia omada me tromokratikh drash. H idia h kybernhsh ths geitonikhs Albanias exei apodokimasei tis energeies twn melwn toy. Apo ekei kai pera, eimaste mia xwra poy prepei na antimetwpizei ta panta me sobarothta. Kai antimetwpizeis sobara ta opoia qemata, otan ta antimetwpizeis sth swsth diastash toys. Qa moy epitrecete na sas qymisw poies syzhthseis proklhqhkan, otan kapoioi aytoapokaloymenoi "Makedones sto Aigaio" eqetan qemata epiboyleyomenoi thn edafikh akeraiothta ths xwras mas. Polles fores, antimetwpisame tetoioy eidoys aitiaseis apo jenes dynameis h paragontes, me enan tropo -qa moy epitrecete na to pw twra- yperboliko. Den exoyn kamia praktikh synepeia, kamia epiptwsh kai den dhmioyrgoyn kanena kindyno gia th xwra mas oles aytes oi dhlwseis kai drasthriothtes. Apo thn allh, bebaiws, prepei na parakoloyqoyme stena o,ti dhlwnoyn diaforoi kai opoia drasthriothta anaptyssoyn. Ayto exoyme ypoxrewsh na to kanoyme, alla den prepei na dinoyme kamia allh diastash. Giati, antilambaneste oti, an kaqe fora poy kapoios dhlwnei kati gia mia xwra poy einai melos ths E.E., ths ONE, toy NATO, qewroyme oti aytomata dhmioyrgeitai kindynos gia thn akeraiothta ths xwras mas h gia ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata mas kai etsi na dhmioyrgoyme emeis qema, asxoloymenoi me ayto poy dhlwse enas tritos, qa exoyme hdh paijei to paixnidi toy. Gi` ayto, lew na deixnoyme sobarothta kai na antimetwpizoyme ta qemata sth swsth diastash toys. Posoi kata kairoys exoyn kanei dhlwseis gia tetoia qemata kai pws ta antimetwpisame; Qa moy epitrecete na zhthsw kai apo esas, poy ergazeste sta MME, na antimetwpizoyme ayta ta qemata sth swsth diastash toys. Kaqoloy den ta parablepoyme. Alla, den prepei na toys dinoyme allh diastash apo ayth poy pragmatika exoyn.

KAPPOS: Epeidh, akribws, prospaqoyme na to antimetwpisoyme sth swsth toy diastash, anarwtiemai poia einai h swsth diastash. Einai h ektimhsh toy dieqnoys paragonta, h ektimhsh poy ekane xqes o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn h ayto poy mas lete eseis;

REPPAS: Den eipa oti akomh kai h kybernhsh ths Albanias, toys Albanoys toy UCK toys exei xarakthrisei paragonta tromokratias, apostaqeropoihshs kai exei katadikasei th drasthriothta toys; An, loipon, oi idioi, poy einai toso stena syndedemenoi mazi toys, toys apodokimazoyn kai toys katadikazoyn, antilambaneste poia einai h qesh twn allwn paragontwn ths dieqnoys zwhs.

KAPPOS: H diatypwsh sas htan shmantikh. Einai qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs oti yparxei stenos syndesmos anamesa sthn kybernhsh ths Albanias kai stoys Albanoys toy UCK;

REPPAS: Toylaxiston, oloi anagnwrizoyn oti einai omoeqneis. Den nomizw na to amfisbhtei kaneis ayto. Me ayth thn ennoia, yparxei enas desmos, enas syndesmos. Sas parakalw na mhn anakalyptete qemata ekei poy den yparxoyn.

MPOTWNHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh thn epiqesh poy dexqhke xqes apo to SEB gia mia seira apo qemata, paroysia toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, gnwrizete oti xarh sthn oikonomikh politikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh, katorqwse h xwra mas na ginei melos ths ONE. H ellhnikh oikonomia gnwrizei ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs. Exoyme epityxei epidoseis poy polles alles xwres qa hqelan na epityxoyn. Ola ayta, ofeilontai, kata kyrio logo, stis politikes epiloges poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh mas. Asfalws, h symbolh olwn twn forewn kai twn etairwn einai shmantikh. Den thn paragnwrizoyme. H politikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh afora th xwra kai to synolo toy ellhnikoy laoy. Den einai mia politikh gia mia sygkekrimenh koinwnikh omada. Kaqe koinwnikh omada, mesw twn ekproswpwn ths, asfalws mporei na anadeiknyei tis qeseis poy qewrei oti exoyn proteraiothta, epeidh krinei oti einai shmantikes. Emeis, omws, exoyme mia politikh h opoia afora to synolo ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. H anaptyjh den einai enas acyxos deikths. Einai h idia h zwh, h cyxh twn anqrwpwn. Einai h kaqhmerinothta toys, h poiothta twn dhmokratikwn qesmwn, h koinwnikh allhleggyh, h synoxh se mia koinwnia. To koinwniko kratos apotelei qemeliwdes stoixeio ths politikhs mas. Einai h bash, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsoyme ena politiko, koinwniko kai oikonomiko periballon, to opoio qa eynoei ychloys ryqmoys anaptyjhs. Ayto den prepei kaneis na to parablepei. Ayth einai h politikh poy akoloyqhse kai akoloyqei h kybernhsh. H politikh ayth mporei na apotimhqei eyxerestata, giati exoyme ta praktika apotelesmata ths. Oloi anagnwrizoyn, entos kai ektos ths xwras, oti einai mia epityxhmenh oikonomikh politikh. Kai ayth synexizoyme. Kaqenas leei tis apoceis toy kai einai sebastes. Giati, oi koinwnikoi foreis kai oi koinwnikoi etairoi diadramatizoyn shmantiko rolo sthn ejelijh, oxi mono ths oikonomias, alla kai ths koinwnias mas, sto synolo ths. Apo ekei kai pera, den qewroyme oti yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys antiparaqeseis kai antipalothtes. Pisteyoyme oti xreiazetai synainesh kai synepeia, prokeimenoy na petyxoyme enan koino skopo poy einai h anaptyjh ths xwras kai h eyhmeria twn politwn.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Yphrje eishghsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth shmerinh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa probei, se ligh wra, se dhlwseis. Anaferqhke en syntomia sta qemata poy mas apasxolhsan. Den ekane anafora se opoiodhpote allo qema, peran twn qematwn poy anaferontan sthn hmerhsia diatajh, an ayto rwtate. O Prwqypoyrgos qa epanelqei, gia ta qemata poy aforoyn thn Eyrwph kai thn prooptikh ths, sthn ekdhlwsh poy, opws proanhggeila, qa ginei stis 11 Ioylioy, sto Zappeio Megaro.

KAPPOS: Parafrazontas mia erwthsh poy sas eqese thn prohgoymenh ebdomada enas synadelfos edw, ws pros to an oi astynomikoi einai to kratos, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, telika thn eyqynh gia th xqesinh epiqesh twn MAT kai ton jylodarmo foithtwn mprosta sto ypoyrgeio Paideias, poios thn analambanei;

REPPAS: Thn eyqynh gia tis epixeirhseis ths ELAS, opws kai kaqe allhs yphresias, thn exei h hgesia ths, oi epikefalhs ths, aytoi poy sxediazoyn kai epixeiroyn. An se kapoia periptwsh yparxoyn drasthriothtes poy jepernoyn ta oria toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn, apodidontai eyqynes. Alla, qa moy epitrecete na epishmanw, gia mia akomh fora, oti sthn Ellada ginontai sebasta ta dikaiwmata twn politwn. Kaqenas ekfrazei eleyqera tis apoceis toy, oi opoies akoygontai me prosoxh. Den prepei, omws, ayto na odhgei se lanqasmeno symperasma, oti kapoios mporei, diatypwnontas tis apoceis toy, na epimenei na epikratoyn aytes oi apoceis me biaioys tropoys. Ayto den einai dynato na ginei dekto. Yparxei Politeia, kai gia to sygkekrimeno tomea yparxei Ypoyrgeio, yparxei h Boylh poy chfizei nomoys kai oi nomoi prepei na ginontai sebastoi kai na throyntai.

KAPPOS: Aytes oi synexeis epiqeseis ths Astynomias enantion diadhlwtwn, einai sto plaisio aytoy poy mas perigrafete;

REPPAS: Den yparxoyn synexeis epiqeseis ths Astynomias. Antiqetws, qa elega oti kai ta organa ths Astynomias, syxna, ginontai stoxos epiqesewn apo polloys diadhlwtes, se polles periptwseis.

KAPPOS: Mia epiqesh, mporeite na mas perigracete;

REPPAS: Einai polles oi periptwseis opoy omades diadhlwtwn epitiqentai me tropo ton opoio den qa xarakthriza biaio h mh biaio...

KAPPOS: Dhladh, ena abgo isodynamei me dakrygona kai gklomps, ayth einai h analogia;

REPPAS: Dhladh, eseis epiqymeite h Astynomia na petaei ...abga stoys diadhlwtes; Ayto lete; Giati h erwthsh sas odhgei se ayto to symperasma. Sas parakalw, sobareyteite.

SOYRMELIDHS: O k. Roki, prwhn melos ths omadas diereynhshs gia to apemploytismeno oyranio sto Irak, opws grafei shmera to "Pontiki", dhlwnei oti yphrje eishghsh ston k. Klinton na mhn xrhsimopoihqoyn ayta ta blhmata sta Balkania, giati yparxoyn epiptwseis. Qa hqela na rwthsw, an protiqetai h kybernhsh na merimnhsei jana gia to qema kai na zhthsei ejhghseis, giati prokeitai gia stelexos ayths ths omadas, o opoios ekdiwxqhke apo thn armodia yphresia, meta apo aytes tis dhlwseis toy.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, ta qemata poy mas aforoyn -giati prepei na asxoloymaste me ta toy oikoy mas, me ta qemata poy aforoyn thn asfaleia h thn ygeia twn politwn ths xwras mas- ta antimetwpisame sto plaisio ths teleytaias apostolhs episthmonwn sth Gioygkoslabia. Gnwrizete poio einai to teliko porisma poy exei ekdoqei apo to Dhmokrito. Symfwna me tis ereynes poy eginan, diapistwqhke oti den dikaiologeitai anhsyxia, dioti den proekyce kindynos apo th xrhsh aytwn twn oplwn gia polites oi opoioi strateyqhkan kai elaban meros stis apostoles se ayth thn perioxh. Ara, loipon, exoyme thn egkyrh apanthsh enos Organismoy gia to qema ayto. Dhladh oti den yparxei kanenas kindynos gia thn ygeia twn sympolitwn mas. Sto plaisio twn yphresiwn twn HPA, kapoioi paragontes exoyn diatypwsei diaforetikes apoceis. Den einai qema poy mporoyme na qijoyme emeis, den mas afora se teleytaia analysh. Ayto poy mas afora idiaitera einai, na eimaste parontes sthn perioxh kai na prostateyoyme me opoion apotelesmatiko tropo mporoyme ta symferonta ths xwras. Kai sta symferonta ths xwras, sygkatalegoyme prwtistws thn asfaleia gia th zwh kai thn ygeia twn Ellhnwn politwn.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an apo thn empeiria twn dyo prohgoymenwn Proedriwn poy eixe h Ellada, mporoyme na prosdiorisoyme ton ariqmo twn atomwn poy qa proslhfqoyn gia tis anagkes ths ellhnikhs Proedrias.

REPPAS: Einai kati sto opoio den mporw na anaferqw me ayth thn ariqmhtikh leptomereia twra, doqentos oti h teleytaia Proedria poy askhsame htan to 1994, sthn Kerkyra. Htan mia poly petyxhmenh Proedria. Tote ypegrafh h dieyrynsh ths E.E. me alles xwres. Twra, oi xwres-melh ths E.E. einai perissoteres, ta symboylia einai perissotera kai polyplhqestera. Exoyn metablhqei oi anagkes kai oi ypoxrewseis. Ara, ypo ayto to prisma, qa prepei na doyme poies einai oi proteraiothtes , oson afora thn antimetwpish aytwn twn anagkwn. Proteraiothtes se ypodomh, ejoplismo kai stelexh. Sygkekrimeno ariqmo den mporw na anaferw twra. Mhn jexnate oti eimaste peripoy enamish me dyo xronia prin apo ayth thn periodo. Poly syntoma qa jekaqarisoyme kai ayto ton tomea.

SOYRMELH: H apanthsh poy dwsate gia thn prostasia twn Ellhnwn politwn kai thn paroysia ths Elladas sthn perioxh, dhmioyrgei etsi mia proswpikh erwthsh, dhladh h Ellada den endiaferetai gia toys polites twn Balkaniwn kai ths Eyrwphs;

REPPAS: Asfalws, endiaferetai kai gi` ayto einai paroysa sthn perioxh. H erwthsh poy eqese o k. Soyrmelidhs afora tis eswterikes diadikasies mias dioikhshs mias orismenhs xwras. Omws -kai prepei na to jekaqarisoyme ayto- den mporoyme na ephreasoyme tis eswterikes diadikasies mias allhs xwras, opws den qeloyme kai mia allh xwra na ephreazei tis eswterikes diadikasies ths ellhnikhs dioikhshs. Asfalws, eimaste enantion ths xrhshs pyrhnikwn, enantion ths xrhshs oplwn poy dhmioyrgoyn problhmata sth zwh kai thn ygeia twn politwn se olo ton kosmo, se opoiadhpote perioxh. H qesh mas ayth einai gnwsth. Milame, omws, gia sygkekrimena opla, ta opoia htan kataskeyasmena kai me ena yliko to opoio ekpempei radienergo aktinobolia kai mporoyse na dhmioyrghsei problhmata sthn ygeia twn politwn. Den miloyme genikws, miloyme gia apemploytismeno oyranio. Ayto eqese o k. Soyrmelidhs. Den milhse genikws.

Sas eyxaristw.

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