Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-02-28

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 28 Febroyarioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTWNHS: Giati h kybernhsh den dexqhke th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia tis paranomes ellhnopoihseis; Akoysame ola ayta sth Boylh, alla den bghke tipota. Kathgories kai tipota parapanw.

REPPAS: Nomizw oti o problhmatismos einai dikaiologhmenos mono otan anaferetai kaneis sto giati h Nea Dhmokratia phre ayth thn prwtoboylia. Qa sas dwsw thn apanthsh: H N.D. phre ayth thn prwtoboylia, prokeimenoy etsi na epibebaiwsei th stash poy krathse thn prwth periodo meta tis ekloges toy perasmenoy Aprilioy. Qymaste oti milhse gia noqeia. Milhse -ayto einai to megalo efeyrhma ekeinhs ths periodoy- gia isodynamo eklogiko apotelesma. H N.D., prokeimenoy na apoprosanatolisei toys apogohteymenoys opadoys kai filoys ths, prospaqhse na epirricei se alloys tis eyqynes ths dikhs ths httas. H N.D. nomizei oti twra einai h katallhlh stigmh, kaqws badizei pros to Synedrio, na syspeirwsei toys opadoys ths, na apofygei na antiparateqei, se programmatiko kai politiko epipedo, me thn kybernhsh, na analabei telika mia akomh prwtoboylia, me thn kataqesh aithshs gia th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Prwtoboylia h opoia synthrei ena noshro klima sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras kai dhlhthriazei thn politikh. Me ayto ton tropo, h hgesia ths httas ths N.D. epidiwkei na diathrhqei aklonhth sth qesh ths. Kanena allo nohma kai kamia allh prooptikh den eixe ayth h aithsh gia th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Htan mia katadikasmenh epilogh, opws kai alles poy prohghqhkan, opws kai aytes poy isws akoloyqhsoyn. Giati h N.D., me typopoihmenes kata kapoio tropo aithseis, prospaqei na ektrecei th Boylh apo thn pragmatikh apostolh ths kai apo nomoqetiko swma, apo pedio askhshs koinoboyleytikoy elegxoy na th metabalei se dikastiko swma. Ayto jerei, ayto kanei kai ayto mporei. Tipota allo qetiko den mporei na prosferei sth dhmosia zwh ths xwras.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Xqes, telika, egine h perifhmh synanthsh Papandreoy-Paoyel stis Bryjelles, synanthsh sthn opoia syzhthqhke to fasma olwn twn ellhno-toyrkikwn sxesewn kai to Kypriako. O k. Papandreoy, me dhlwseis toy, edeije mia aisiodojia gia tis ejelijeis, enw qa elega oti o k. Paoyel kapoy "pagwnei" tis ejelijeis, anakalei, frenarei, an qelete, thn prwtoboylia poy yphrxe mexri twra me thn apostolh ekproswpwn twn HPA se Agkyra, Leykwsia kai Aqhna kai oi synomilies menoyn metewres. Kata thn apoch sas, odhgoymaste se kalyteres meres h ta pragmata xeirotereyoyn gia tis ejelijeis sto Kypriako;

REPPAS: Htan h prwth synanthsh twn dyo politikwn andrwn. Antilambaneste pws se mia tetoia synanthsh den einai dynato na ginei leptomerhs syzhthsh epi olwn twn qematwn. Omws, to oti syzhthqhkan ayta ta qemata, metajy twn opoiwn kai to Kypriako, apodeiknyei me ton kalytero tropo poso chla sthn atzenta twn qematwn ths dikhs mas politikhs brisketai ayto to eqniko zhthma. Epishs, h qesh ths kybernhshs twn HPA einai h qesh poy eixe gia to qema ayto kai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, dhladh qesh symfwnh me tis apofaseis poy exei labei o OHE. H anazhthsh lyshs sto kypriako problhma, prepei na ginei entos toy plaisioy aytwn twn apofasewn toy OHE. Ayto to opoio allazei sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh einai to montelo poy qa isxysei pleon kai sto opoio den perilambanontai oi eidikoi apestalmenoi h oi ekproswpoi ths kybernhshs twn HPA gia to kypriako zhthma.

Qa parakoloyqei ta qemata ayta, apeyqeias, o epikefalhs toy Steit Ntipartment me toys amesoys synergates toy. Ayto einai mia epilogh ths kybernhshs twn HPA, h opoia mporei na exei kai kalytera apotelesmata. Einai kati to opoio qa to doyme sthn poreia. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai oti h kybernhsh twn HPA exei shmantiko endiaferon gia thn prowqhsh twn prospaqeiwn epilyshs toy kypriakoy zhthmatos. Emeis, to qema ayto -to exoyme, allwste, katasthsei safes- to qetoyme poly chla stis proteraiothtes mas. H synergasia twn dyo kybernhsewn poy einai aparaithth, pisteyoyme oti qa synexistei me tropo gonimo, prokeimenoy na odhghqoyme epiteloys se ena qetiko apotelesma gia to qema ayto.

GIANNISHS: Qa synedriasei to KYSEA gia tis kriseis sthn Astynomia;

REPPAS: To KYSEA synedriazei mono gia thn epilogh toy Arxhgoy. Den exei programmatistei kati tetoio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti h kybernhsh einai aqwa apo ola ayta. Se aytoys toys mafiozoys poios edwse ta diabathria, poios toys ellhnopoihse;

REPPAS: H xqesinh syzhthsh sth Boylh htan apokalyptikh. Kai kanei entypwsh oti h N.D. epikaleitai ta apotelesmata mias ereynas, poy ekane mia omada stelexwn ths kai agnoei ta apotelesmata ereynwn, poy eginan meta apo kataggelies apo to Swma twn Epiqewrhtwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Oi ereynes aytes katelhjan se porismata, ta opoia me tekmhriwmeno tropo apodeiknyoyn oti oi teleytaioi poy mporei na kathgorhqoyn gi` ayto, einai h kybernhsh kai oi ypoyrgoi ths, pragma to opoio epixeirhse na anadeijei h N.D. Ayto einai gia to opoio kathgoroyme th N.D. Ean yparxoyn problhmata se opoiondhpote tomea, ayta mporei na antimetwpistoyn me thn anazhthsh kai apodosh eyqynwn sta organa h tis yphresies poy exoyn aytes tis eyqynes, ean exoyn eyqynes. Alla apo to shmeio ayto mexri toy shmeioy na kataggelletai h kybernhsh kai na zhteitai sth Boylh systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, gia th diereynhsh dhqen eyqynwn melwn ths kybernhshs, h apostash einai toso megalh poy mono h epipolaiothta, h aneyqynothta h h skopimothta poy diakrinei thn politikh ths N.D. mporoyn na th dianysoyn me toso eykolo tropo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas rwthsa allo pragma. Emena den me endiaferei ti leei h N.D.

REPPAS: To gnwrizw!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw sas lew, se aytoys toys mafiozoys, poios edwse ta diabathria; Giati h kybernhsh toys edwse diabathria kai toys ekane Ellhnes, mporeite na moy peite;

REPPAS: Edwsa apanthsh se ayto to qema. Eipa oti se sygkekrimenes yphresies kai sygkekrimenoys foreis, oi opoioi asxoloyntai me ayto to qema, exoyn ginei ereynes. Se polles periptwseis, oi ereynes synexizontai. Ayto, omws, afora th leitoyrgia twn yphresiwn. Den exei kamia sxesh me ayto to opoio syzhthqhke sth Boylh. O,ti problhma yparxei se ayto ton tomea antimetwpizetai, symfwna me osa problepei o nomos. Gnwrizete oti exoyme proxwrhsei kai se allages, oson afora to sygkekrimeno systhma poy isxye mexri protinos. Kata ta alla, h stash olwn twn kommatwn, ektos ths N.D., sth Boylh, apokalyptei oti h N.D. -egine antilhpto pia apo oloys- xrhsimopoiei ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ante pali me th N.D. Allo rwtaw allo apantate.

REPPAS:...gia logoys poy aforoyn thn epidiwjh ths na askei ayth th steira antipoliteysh kai na strefetai enantion ths kybernhshs, xwris na yparxei oysiastikos logos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa moy apanthsete sthn erwthsh poy eqesa;

REPPAS: Den qa apanthsw etsi opws qelete eseis. Alla, apanthsh edwsa sthn prwth erwthsh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na sas rwtw egw gia na apantate sth N.D.; Ayto qelete; Ayto kanete synexeia.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti asxoloyntai oi armodies yphresies me ayta ta qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas rwtw: Ypoyrgoi einai mplegmenoi mesa; Ypoyrgoi einai mplegmenoi me th mafia;

REPPAS: Asfalws den einai. Den to apanthsa ayto; Apo thn prwth stigmh to apanthsa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai; Ton Mpazarebits poios ton ekane Ellhna; Den einai mplegmenoi ypoyrgoi apo th Qessalonikh;

REPPAS: Kai monon o ekneyrismos sas deixnei thn apogohteysh sas. Lypoymai gia tis apogohteyseis sas. Sas yposxomai oti den qa einai h teleytaia fora!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den eimai apogohteymenos. Gia na akoyte to lew, den exw mikrofwna.

REPPAS: Akoyte poly kala kai eytyxws akoyn poly kala kai oi Ellhnes polites.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den exete sxesh me th mafia, dhladh.

REPPAS: Na ypogracoyme ypeyqynh dhlwsh, ean ayto sas ikanopoiei!

KARGOYDH: Yparxoyn polla dhmosieymata gia sxediasmoys ths kybernhshs, oson afora parembaseis stis astynomikes dynameis. Epeidh ta dhmosieymata einai antifatika, hqela na rwthsw, sthn kentrikh sas kateyqynsh einai h patajh ths diafqoras entos twn astynomikwn dynamewn h h epaggelmatikh toys eparkeia;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den einai h prwth fora poy exoyme antikroyomena dhmosieymata. Ayto den einai kati neo kai nomizw oti se kaqe dhmokratikh xwra ayto einai ena poly syxna epanalambanomeno fainomeno. Oson afora tis prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs, gnwrizete oti oloklhrwnetai h proetoimasia toy nomosxedioy gia thn antimetwpish toy organwmenoy egklhmatos, me eyqynh toy ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs kai th synergasia episthmonwn kai empeirognwmonwn poy sygkrothsan th nomoparaskeyastikh Epitroph sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. Meta apo arketoys mhnes exoyn katalhjei stis protaseis toys. Apo thn allh -einai allo qema ayto- to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs poy prokeitai na analabei nomoqetikh prwtoboylia gia ton tropo me ton opoio ta stelexh ths Astynomias qa xrhsimopoioyn ta opla, ean ayto einai aparaithto, gia to pws qa yperaspizontai ton eayto toys kai pws qa antimetwpizoyn ektaktes katastaseis, oi opoies apaitoyn -pera apo thn empeiria, apo thn ekpaideysh- kai efodia, dhladh ta mesa poy prepei na exei sth diaqesh toy kaqe astynomikos. Ara, loipon, yparxei to qema ths nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias poy analambanei h kybernhsh, mesw toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. Yparxei kai ena qema nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias poy akoloyqei -h prwtoboylia ayth einai aytonomh se sxesh me thn prohgoymenh- apo to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs. Ayth h deyterh nomoqetikh prwtoboylia afora, opws sas eipa, ton tropo leitoyrgias twn astynomikwn organwn, th xrhsh oplwn ta opoia mporei na exoyn sth diaqesh toys katw apo orismenes synqhkes k.t.l.

MPOTWNHS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn kybernhsh gia thn talaipwria poy ypesthsan xqes oi syntajioyxoi, aytes tis ateleiwtes oyres ths ntrophs poy eidame;

REPPAS: Edw ginetai mia tomh. Yparxei allagh ston tropo katabolhs twn syntajewn. To IKA einai o megalyteros asfalistikos organismos. Prepei na katabalei syntajeis se peripoy 850.000 sympolites mas. H talaipwria ayth afora enan sxetika mikro ariqmo sympolitwn mas. Ayto, bebaiws, den mas ikanopoiei. Kai enas sympoliths mas na talaipwreitai einai problhma poy mas kanei, oxi apla na stenaxwriomaste, alla kai na niwqoyme oti exoyme akomh megalyterh eyqynh na to antimetwpisoyme. To problhma proekyce epeidh ta mhxanografika deltia asfalismenwn den htan eykolo na anagnwristoyn apo to hlektroniko systhma twn yphresiwn poy exoyn pleon thn armodiothta na kataballoyn tis syntajeis stoys asfalismenoys toy IKA. Kaqe mera h katastash beltiwnetai kai qa elega oti beltiwnetai me qeamatiko tropo. Opws exoyn pei kai oi armodioi, entos toy Martioy qa exei ejomalynqei olo ayto to systhma katabolhs twn syntajewn, wste na mh dhmioyrgeitai kanena problhma kai na mh diatypwnontai pleon parapona.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos apo ta mpalkonia proeklogika eixe pei oti qa dwsei 152.000 draxmes syntajh apo 1.1.2001. Paei kai o deyteros mhnas kai den exei dwsei mia. Mporeite na moy peite pote qa ta dwsei;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh exei deijei ajioqaymasth synepeia stis desmeyseis poy anelabe apenanti ston ellhniko lao. Kai ekei poy yparxei akomh kaqysterhsh, h katabolh qa ginei kai qa exei isxy apo thn hmeromhnia poy ejaggeilame thn periodo twn eklogwn. Mhn exete kamia amfibolia gi` ayto.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote qa ginei, mporeite na moy peite;

REPPAS: Ma, exei ginei. Se kapoies kathgories ayto, hdh, efarmozetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta dwsate; 152.000 katwtero orio syntajhs;

REPPAS: Bebaiws, den to gnwrizete; Sas lew oti kai stis kathgories ekeines poy akomh den exei oloklhrwqei h katabolh twn poswn aytwn, h katabolh qa ginei me tetoio tropo, wste na antapokrinetai stis desmeyseis poy exoyme analabei, oti dhladh h ayjhsh isxyei apo 1.1.2001.

Sas eyxaristw.

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