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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 6 Ioynioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARGOYDH: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, xqes, se kapoia parembash toy sth Boylh, zhthse na ``pagwsei'' o politikos dialogos h h politikh diapragmateysh me thn Toyrkia. Hqela na rwthsw, yparxei tetoia diadikasia se ejelijh, epikeitai mia tetoia diadikasia; Poio einai to mhnyma ayths ths parembashs;

REPPAS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos eipe sth Boylh, epi lejei, oti den mporei oxi mono amesa, alla oyte emmesa, na teqei qema politikhs diapragmateyshs metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Gnwrizete poly kala oti den yparxei politikh diapragmateysh metajy twn dyo xwrwn gia opoiodhpote qema. Exoyme katasthsei safh th qesh mas, milwntas kat` epanalhch, gia tis ellhno-toyrkikes sxeseis. Ara, loipon, symfwnoyme oloi oti den tiqetai qema politikhs diapragmateyshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ``pagwma'' milhse@

REPPAS: Exw, akribws, tis dhlwseis, opws eginan. Einai sth diaqesh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den milaei gia ``pagwma'';

REPPAS: An qelete na qesete kapoia erwthsh, parakalw, sth diaqesh sas, na apanthsw.

PITTARAS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh thn kinhsh ths Ierarxias na prosfygei sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias;

REPPAS: H prosfygh sto StE einai askhsh syntagmatikoy dikaiwmatos. H askhsh syntagmatikoy dikaiwmatos einai aytonohth energeia se tetoies periptwseis. Ws ejelijh einai qetikh, giati pisteyw oti orioqetei to plaisio entos toy opoioy kaqe pleyra prepei na analambanei prwtoboylies kai na oloklhrwnei tis kinhseis ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos leei oti h Toyrkia den exei kanei pisw se kamia apo tis paraloges diekdikhseis ths. To ``pagwma'' ths syzhthshs einai monodromos. Ta eipe ayta h den ta eipe;

REPPAS: Symfwnoyme apolyta me tis dhlwseis poy ekane sth Boylh o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, stis opoies sas parotrynw na prosfygete, prokeimenoy na exete mia plhrh gnwsh toy ti eipe.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opote, oi syzhthseis poy ginontai ``pagwnoyn'';

REPPAS: Oi apanthseis poy edwsa prin, htan safeis kai plhreis, giati -epanalambanw- exw sth diaqesh moy ta osa eipe. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos -opws antilambaneste- me thn idiothta toy ws ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas kai logw ths symmetoxhs toy sta koryfaia kybernhtika kai kommatika organa, einai apo toys prwtergates. Kata to sxediasmo kai thn askhsh ths ejwterikhs politikhs exei ena idiaitero rolo. Einai apo toys koryfaioys prwtagwnistes ayths ths politikhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi` ayto sas lew. Aytes oi epitropes poy synantwntai, poy miloyn, poy etoimazoyn symfwnies, stamatoyn;

REPPAS: Ayto den exei kamia sxesh me diadikasia politikhs diapragmateyshs. Profanws, epeidh den gnwrizete pws exei to qema, kanete ayth th sygxysh kai proxwrate sth diatypwsh ayths ths erwthshs. Den exei kamia sxesh olh ayth h proseggish, h opoia epixeireitai gia epimeroys qemata, me thn politikh diapragmateysh, sthn opoia anaferomaste kai oloi exoyme apokleisei.

KAPPOS: Ta qemata katoxhs sthn Kypro, sto qylaka poy dhmioyrghsan teleytaia, milhsan gia mia morfh copyright @ Pws protiqetai na antidrasei h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H energeia ayth einai aparadekth. Strefetai enantion toy OHE. Gnwrizete poly kala oti o idios o Genikos Grammateas toy dieqnoys organismoy k. Anan exei epilhfqei toy qematos. Exei analabei tis sxetikes prwtoboylies. Perimenoyme na apodwsei karpoys h kinhtikothta ayth, thn opoia o idios o Genikos Grammateas toy OHE exei qesei se efarmogh. H stash ayth toy k. Ntenktas, mporei na pei kaneis oti ypakoyei se kapoies skopimothtes, epeidh akribws einai se ejelijh o tritos gyros twn syzhthsewn sth Geneyh. Apo thn allh, den payei na einai mia prajh h opoia einai apolytws arnhtikh kai deixnei, me apokalyptiko tropo, oti h Toyrkia kai o k. Ntenktas den einai etoimoi na symbaloyn sthn anazhthsh lyshs sto kypriako qema. Alla, epanalambanw oti h kinhsh ayth, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, afora kai ton OHE -kyriws ton OHE- o opoios exei analabei prwtoboylies gia thn antimetwpish ths kinhshs Ntenktas.

KAPPOS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh oti oysiastika, opws ejelissontai oi ek toy syneggys synomilies, dieykolynetai h toyrkokypriakh pleyra, me th diakoph poy qa yparjei, gia thn epeteio ths eisbolhs, meta thn opoia qa epistrecei gia na synexisei tis synomilies;

REPPAS: Einai poly prowro na eimaste kathgorhmatikoi ws pros to pws qa oloklhrwqei aytos o gyros twn syzhthsewn. Mporei na oloklhrwqei tis epomenes hmeres. An ayto ginei, ola ayta ta opoia qetete me thn erwthsh sas, den qa exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Emeis pisteyoyme oti o tritos gyros twn synomiliwn einai mia poly kalh eykairia na prowqhqoyn oi prospaqeies poy kataballontai apo polles pleyres gia thn ejeyresh lyshs sto kypriako qema. Se teleytaia analysh, to elaxisto poy mporoyme na petyxoyme einai, gia mia akomh fora na fanei dieqnws oti h Toyrkia kai o Ntenktas den einai etoimoi na symmorfwqoyn pros tis apofaseis toy OHE.

FILHS: Entelws dieykrinistika, exete kapoia plhroforhsh oti h Ierarxia prosefyge sto StE;

REPPAS: Exw thn plhroforhsh oti prwtoboylia politwn prosefyge sto StE. Gi` ayto, akribws, milhsa gia thn askhsh syntagmatikoy dikaiwmatos politwn.

FILHS: O synhgoros twn katoikwn toy Distomoy, o k. Stamoylhs, meta th synanthsh toy, xqes, me ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs k. Staqopoylo, eipe stoys dhmosiografoys oti ayrio h to argotero th Deytera, dikastikoi epimelhtes qa pane sto Germaniko Institoyto Gkaite gia na proxwrhsoyn se ektelesh ths dikastikhs apofashs gia tis germanikes apozhmiwseis. Ti qa prajei h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Den qa krinw egw tis prwtoboylies enos synhgoroy. Askei ta kaqhkonta toy, kata tropo poy ekeinos nomizei oti prepei na to kanei. Prepei na pw oti h kybernhsh, epeidh diatypwqhke kai mia tetoia ekdoxh mesw diarrown, den einai symfwnh me mia tetoia prwtoboylia. Einai anakribes otidhpote sxetiko legetai. Qewroyme oti to qema ayto qa prepei na ejetastei me poly megalyterh prosoxh. Den symfwnoyme, loipon, me ayth thn epispeysh, me ayth thn prwtoboylia. H kybernhsh qa kanei ayto to opoio prepei na kanei, symfwna me ta osa isxyoyn sto nomiko plaisio ths xwras. Kai bebaiws -epanalambanw- kalei oles tis pleyres se synergasia kai synennohsh gia na antimetwpisoyn ayto to qema me th deoysa eyqynh kai me gnwmona to eqniko symferon.

FILHS: Se sxesh me to qema ths diadikasias ekteleshs, profanws parapempete se kapoies dikastikes arxes. Ayrio, qa paei o dikastikos klhthras. Qa exoyme skhnes apeiroy kalloys sto Gkaite; Qa leei, katasxw to trapezi ayto gia th germanikh apozhmiwsh@

REPPAS: Me kaleite na perigracw skhnes toy mellontos. Edw qa eimaste ayrio, edw qa eimaste kai th Deytera kai qa syzhthsoyme ta sxetika qemata. As mhn to kanoyme shmera.

FILHS: Toso o k. Glezos, ws Proedros ths Eqnikhs Epitrophs gia tis apozhmiwseis, oso kai o kaqhghths k. Magkakhs, ws Proedros ths Kinhshs ``Enwmenh Eqnikh Antistash'', kat` arxas, diafwnhsan me thn kinhsh ayth toy k. Stamoylh kai zhthsan apo thn kybernhsh na egeirei to qema, sto plaisio twn ellhno-germanikwn sxesewn, twn germanikwn apozhmiwsewn, gia na katalhjoyn se kapoia diakratikh symfwnia. Ep` aytoy, ti leei h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw apo shmerina dhmosieymata tis qeseis twn dyo shmantikwn paragontwn ths dhmosias zwhs. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h kybernhsh exei epidiwjei, kai pisteyoyme oti prepei na synexistei ayth h diadikasia, thn epikoinwnia kai th synennohsh me toys amesws h emmesws emplekomenoys foreis sto qema ayto, prokeimenoy na exoyme to kalytero dynato apotelesma. Epiqymoyme, loipon, na oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia synennohshs kai synergasias sto eswteriko ths xwras mas, prokeimenoy na katalhjoyme oloi mazi se mia qesh, h opoia qa einai symfwnh me to eqniko symferon, xwris na parakamptei ta dikaiwmata twn politwn, poy exoyn dikaiwqei me apofash dikasthrioy.

MIXAHL: Se prohgoymenh apanthsh sas eipate pws apodeiknyetai oti h Toyrkia kai h toyrko-kypriakh pleyra den symballoyn sthn anazhthsh lyshs sto kypriako qema. Afoy den einai etoimoi na symbaloyn se mia ejomalynsh, se eisagwgika h xwris eisagwgika, twn ellhno-toyrkikwn sxesewn, tote emeis giati proxwroyme; Kai sas rwtw, giati kyriarxo stoixeio, symfwna me thn ierarxhsh apo thn kybernhsh, einai oti akribws, enw emeis kanoyme energeies gia na ejomalynqoyn oi sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn, ekeinoi menoyn ametakinhtoi kai sto Kypriako kai se mia seira alla zhthmata.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala, giati kat` epanalhch exoyme milhsei gia ta qemata ayta, oti to kypriako problhma brisketai chla sthn proteraiothta ths atzentas ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths kybernhshs. Apo thn allh, gnwrizete oti sto plaisio twn ellhno-toyrkikwn sxesewn, h Ellada exei epityxei, meta tis apofaseis poy elhfqhsan sth Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki, ena sygkekrimeno plaisio me to opoio prepei na enarmonistei h Toyrkia. Ayto einai poly shmantiko gia mas, giati, metajy twn allwn, periexei thn anafora sthn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E., xwris na einai proypoqesh gia toyto h epilysh toy kypriakoy qematos. Einai poly shmantiko ayto gia thn Kypro. Qa elega oti apotelei ena poiotiko alma, se sxesh me to parelqon, gia ejelijeis poy aforoyn thn Kypro kai to kypriako qema. Oi sxeseis mas me thn Toyrkia epiqymoyme na ejomalynqoyn, giati pisteyoyme oti ayto qa symbalei, oxi mono sthn kalyterh synergasia twn dyo xwrwn, alla qa exei qetikes epiptwseis sto kypriako qema. Allwste, to Kypriako einai kai paramenei h lydia liqos, opoy dokimazetai h ajiopistia ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths Toyrkias. Giati miloyme gia ena problhma katoxhs enos anejarthtoy kratoys toy OHE, to opoio oydeis mporei na agnohsei, oses prwtoboylies kai an analabei se alloys tomeis. To kypriako qema paramenei alyto kai ayto ta leei ola. Den fantazomai na qelete eseis h opoiosdhpote allos, na proxwrhsoyme se polemikh syrrajh, na analaboyme tetoioy eidoys prwtoboylies h na kleisoyme tis portes mas se opoiadhpote morfh epikoinwnias me thn Toyrkia. Gnwrizete oti oi dieqneis ejelijeis epiballoyn thn proseggish kai th synennohsh, alla ayto, pantote, prepei na ginetai me bash kanones, arxes, oroys, proypoqeseis poy isxyoyn dieqnws. Ayto prepei na sebastei h Toyrkia kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Mexri twra, den to exei kanei. Menei, loipon, na apodeijei oti einai mia xwra, h opoia sebetai keimena, ta opoia dieqnws exoyn symfwnhqei, an pragmati qelei na entaxqei se aytoys toys qesmoys, tis domes ths Eyrwphs.

MIXAHL: Yparxei shmera seira dhmosieymatwn poy lene oti xqes o k. Papandreoy stis syzhthseis poy eixe me toys politikoys arxhgoys, syzhthse kai to qema twn Skopiwn. Malista, ta dhmosieymata miloyn kai gia apodoxh synqeths onomasias twn Skopiwn. Ta diaceydete ayta ta dhmosieymata, ta epibebaiwnete, telos pantwn, ti symbainei;

REPPAS: Oyte diaceydw, oyte epibebaiwnw. Epeidh den hmoyn parwn, den mporw na sas metaferw ti diameifqhke stis syzhthseis toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn me toys politikoys arxhgoys. Ayto mporei na to kanei to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai oi ekproswpoi twn politikwn kommatwn. Ayto poy mporw na pw einai oti to sygkekrimeno qema -kai etsi to qetei o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn stis synomilies- antimetwpizetai sto plaisio toy OHE. Apo th dikh mas pleyra exoyme dhlwsei, kat` epanalhch, oti prepei na antimetwpistei kai ayth h ekkremothta, giati h beltiwsh twn sxesewn, metajy twn dyo kratwn, einai shmantikh ta teleytaia xronia. Prepei na enisxyqei kai na epitaxynqei ayth h beltiwsh twn sxesewn me ta Skopia. Kai ayto qa epiteyxqei an, epiteloys, breqei mia dikaih lysh kai sto qema ths onomasias, pragma to opoio h allh pleyra, opws fainetai mexri twra, para ta osa kata kairoys legontai, den qelei na eyodwsei me th stash ths.

MIXAHL: Poia einai h dikaih lysh; H ellhnikh qesh einai oti den mporei na dexqei, toylaxiston an exei allajei na mas to peite@

REPPAS: Epi polla xronia exoyme syzhthsei to qema ayto. H qesh mas den exei allajei.

BIDALH: Gnwrizete pws diamorfwnetai ayth th stigmh h katastash sta Strobilia; Exoyn paei dynameis ths OYFIKYP; Yparxei dynamh ths Eqnofroyras; Giati akoysa xqes to brady katoiko ths perioxhs na ekfrazei mia anhsyxia giati den yphrxe dynamh ths OYFIKYP.

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia emplokh twn dynamewn ths Eqnofroyras. Gnwrizete poly kala oti sthn perioxh brisketai h bretanikh bash, o Dioikhths ths opoias, opws exoyme plhroforhqei, exei apeyqynqei ston OHE. Opws sas eipa prin analytika, o OHE exei analabei prwtoboylies gia na antimetwpisei to qema poy dhmioyrghqhke meta thn kinhsh twn katoxikwn strateymatwn. Den qa prepei na yparxei paranohsh, giati kai ayth fainetai oti exei epikrathsei se kapoioys. Den prokeitai gia kinhsh proelashs pros thn eleyqerh Kypro, den prokeitai gia kinhsh, h opoia -se teleytaia analysh- ginetai sth nekrh zwnh. H kinhsh ayth ginetai entos twn katexomenwn edafwn. Einai mia idiomorfh periptwsh. Prepei na jerete poio einai to istoriko ths perioxhs kai na exete ypoch sas polla akomh alla stoixeia, gia na antilhfqeite ti akribws shmainei ayth h kinhsh. To sygkekrimeno xwrio, ta Strobilia, kata thn kinhsh twn stratiwtikwn strateymatwn to 1974, epeidh qewrhqhke oti anhke sth bretanikh bash, den katakthqhke apo toys Toyrkoys stratiwtes kai apo tote ypagetai se ena eidiko kaqestws. Dipla einai h bretanikh bash. H kinhsh twn dynamewn toy Ntenktas egine se ayto to pedio. Yphrxe ena parathrhthrio sto opoio, peran twn dynamewn toy OHE, symmeteixe stis leitoyrgies toy kai enas Toyrkokyprios stratiwths. Sthn idia perioxh dhmioyrghsan ena allo parathrhthrio me Toyrkokyprioys stratiwtes kai ekei ycwsan kai tis shmaies toys. Ayth thn kinhsh antimetwpizei o OHE. Den yparxei kamia emplokh ths Eqnofroyras.

BIDALH: Oi dynameis ths OYFIKYP yparxoyn;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti dynameis ths OYFIKYP yparxoyn sthn perioxh, alla bebaiws kinoyntai me bash tis entoles poy exoyn apo ton OHE.

KAPPOS: Dhladh, to qema twn Strobiliwn einai zhthma toy OHE;

REPPAS: To qema ths katoxhs ths Kyproy prepei na to antimetwpisei o OHE. Qewrhtikws to exei antimetwpisei. Exei ekdwsei seira chfismatwn, sta opoia anaferetai, metajy twn allwn, poia prepei na einai h lysh poy qa doqei sto problhma poy anekyce meta to 1974. Asfalws, einai qema toy OHE. Den einai qema polemoy metajy twn dyo xwrwn, prokeimenoy etsi, me thn polemikh antiparaqesh na lyqei to qema.

KAPPOS: Xqes kai pali sth Boylh egine logos gia casus belli. Ayto, toylaxiston, bghke apo to reportaz. Isxyei, nai h oxi;

REPPAS: H politikh poy akoloyqei h xwra mas ston tomea ayto den exei allajei. To tonizw, to epanalambanw giati yparxei paranohsh. Apo kei kai pera den nomizw oti kapoios eishgeitai polemikh anametrhsh me thn Toyrkia. Ektos kai an yparxei kapoios kai parakalw na moy ton ypodeijete.

BIDALH: Mia dieykrinish, epeidh eipate oti h perioxh brisketai se bretanikh bash kai ypokeitai se ena eidiko kaqestws. Ti ennoeite;

REPPAS: Den eipa ayto. Qewrhqhke apo toys katakthtes oti ta Strobilia einai tmhma ths bretanikhs bashs. Den gnwrizan oti prokeitai gia xwrio poy katoikoysan Ellhnokyprioi. Telika, den katakthqhke ekeinh thn periodo. Sto xwrio ayto apodoqhke ena eidiko kaqestws. Ayto eipa. Nomisan oti einai tmhma ths bretanikhs bashs, enw den htan.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ma, einai mia nea katastash pragmatwn sthn Kypro, k. Ypoyrge. H antidrash mas apodeiknyei@

REPPAS: Kanete ena terastio laqos otan lete oti yparxei mia nea katastash pragmatwn sthn Kypro. Nea katastash pragmatwn sthn Kypro, mporei na pei kaneis, oti qa apoteloyse h metakinhsh ths grammhs toy Attila se baros ths eleyqerhs Kyproy. Kati tetoio den symbainei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Me sygxwreite, ayta den anhkoyn sthn eleyqerh Kypro;

REPPAS: Ola anhkoyn sthn eleyqerh Kypro. Kai ta katexomena anhkoyn sthn eleyqerh Kypro. Eipa oti prokeitai peri problhmatos katoxhs sthn Kypro kai tonisa oti prepei na epilhfqei o OHE. Pros ayth thn kateyqynsh exoyn ginei oles oi kinhseis.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: An ayrio o Ntenktas mpei sthn prasinh grammh, 300 metra mesa, ti qa kanoyme; Qa siwphsoyme;

REPPAS: Egw mporw na parw olh thn eyqynh kai na sas kaqhsyxasw oti ayto den prokeitai na symbei. Alla, na eiste sigoyros oti h kalyterh qwrakish ths Kyproy mporei na prosferqei an h Kypros enswmatwqei stis eyrwpaikes domes, toys eyrwpaikoys qesmoys. Ayto einai to megalo epiteygma ths kybernhshs mas, me thn apofash poy elabe h E,E, sth Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki. Kai se teleytaia analysh, exoyn perasei polla xronia. Polles diakymanseis xarakthrisan thn prospaqeia anazhthshs lyshs toy Kypriakoy. Den eixame mia tetoia ejelijh, thn opoia twra fobaste. Gia ola ayta ta qemata pisteyw oti qa prepei na eimaste poly prosektikoi kai bebaiws, qa prepei na anagnwrisoyme ston OHE ena poly shmantiko rolo, kalwntas toys paragontes toy na paijoyn ayto to rolo apotelesmatika kai mexri teloys.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kai stis oikogeneies poy einai aixmalwtes, ti lete eseis twra;

REPPAS: Oi oikogeneies poy zoyn sto sygkekrimeno xwrio einai oktw atoma.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Exei shmasia ayto;

REPPAS: Kamia. Kai enas na yphrxe kai kanenas na mhn yphrxe. Alla, oxi mono aytoi poy zoyn sto sygkekrimeno xwrio, yparxoyn kai alloi poy zoyn -opws gnwrizete- sthn katexomenh Kypro. Den exoyme poleis poy exoyn katakthqei; Ara, loipon, h eyaisqhsia mas einai ligoterh gia ekeines tis perioxes; Kai einai ayjhmenh gia ayth th sygkekrimenh perioxh poy proshlkyse to endiaferon mas me aformh to teleytaio epeisodio; H eyaisqhsia mas einai to idio ayjhmenh gia oles tis perioxes ths katexomenhs Kyproy.

KAPPOS: Na jekaqarisoyme kati. Ta Strobilia einai ypo kaqestws katoxhs h oxi;

REPPAS: Oxi. Sas eipa oti to xwrio ayto brisketai ypo eidiko kaqestws.

Sas eyxaristw.

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