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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Maioy 2000

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa moy epitrecete, arxikws, na ekfrasw thn odynh mas gia to tragiko symban poy odhghse sthn apwleia ths zwhs dyo eklektwn ajiwmatikwn ths Polemikhs Aeroporias. Na ekfrasw thn odynh mas gia thn apwleia ths zwhs enos akomh eklektoy ajiwmatikoy, meta thn ptwsh toy A -7, kai epishs, na dhlwsw me ayth thn eykairia, pws timoyme apolyta toys ajiwmatikoys ths Ellhnikhs Aeroporias, toys xeiristes twn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn, poy kataponoyntai, ekpaideyontai kai -prokeimenoy na diathrhsoyn se ychlo epipedo to ajiomaxo twn Enoplwn Dynamewn- diatrexoyn ana pasa stigmh polloys kindynoys, me synepeies tragikes, opws ayth poy zoyme twra.

Oi ajiwmatikoi Moyxtoyrhs, Alejandrakhs kai Agiosofiths qa parameinoyn sth mnhmh mas. Opws sth mnhmh mas qa meinoyn kai ta dyo nea koritsia, me ayth thn tragikh moira, gia thn apwleia ths zwhs twn opoiwn eimaste sygklonismenoi. Den yparxoyn logoi parhgorias gia toys dikoys toys, stoys opoioys me syntribh ekfrazoyme th baqia lyph mas. Ta dyo koritsia, h Kollia kai h Papaxaralampoys, ekeinh thn wra meletoysan mesa sto spiti opoy katepese to aeroplano.

To tragiko atyxhma egine shmera to prwi, stis 10.45, kaqws to maxhtiko aeroskafos typoy F @ 4 petoyse panw apo ton Korinqiako Kolpo kai katepese sto xwrio Antikyra ths Boiwtias.

H pthsh htan ekpaideytikh. To aeroskafos eixe jekinhsei apo thn Andrabida kai qa epestrefe sthn Andrabida meta thn ekpaideytikh pthsh. Ston topo toy tragikoy symbantos phgainoyn, hdh, o yfypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas Dhmhtrhs Apostolakhs kai o Arxhgos toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Aeroporias k. Litzerakos.

Ekfrazw kai pali th lyph mas, thn odynh mas. Pisteyw oti h stash twn ajiwmatikwn ths Aeroporias einai pragmatika sygklonistikh. Den mporoyme na syzhtoyme, ayth thn wra, gia ta aitia toy atyxhmatos. Qa prepei na diejaxqei h sxetikh ereyna, prokeimenoy na exoyme asfalh symperasmata. Einai prowro kai epipolaio, qa elega oti einai kai blasfhmo, ayth thn wra na poyme otidhpote perissotero.

Akoyw tis erwthseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den mporoyme opwsdhpote na milhsoyme gia ta aitia, alla omws dyo gegonota mesa se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma dhmioyrgoyn to erwthma, mhpws yparxei problhma me th synthrhsh twn maxhtikwn mas aeroplanwn.

REPPAS: Ta maxhtika aeroskafh einai ajiopista, synthroyntai, einai se ychlo epipedo leitoyrgias kai gi` ayto akribws oi ajiwmatikoi poy ta xeirizontai prosferoyn kyriolektika ton kalytero eayto toys, prokeimenoy na ajiopoihsoyn sto epakro tis dynatothtes aytwn twn aeroskafwn. Gnwrizete poly kala pws an qeleis na diathrhseis se ychlo epipedo to ajiomaxo enos aeroskafoys, sto plaisio tetoiwn askhsewn, to kataponeis kai esy polles fores qeteis th zwh soy se kindyno, me synepeia na yparxei kai ayto to moiraio apotelesma. Asfalws, ta maxhtika aeroskafh synthroyntai kai h leitoyrgia toys paramenei se ychlo epipedo kai gi` ayto akribws xrhsimopoioyntai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti to aeroplano to kataponoyn. Dhladh, einai kataponhmena ayta ta aeroskafh kai parola ayta, synexizoyn na petane;

REPPAS: Htan poly safh ayta poy eipa kai pragmatika me stenaxwreitai, otan epimenete na diastreblwnete ayta poy lew. Mhn to kanete sas parakalw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: ``Otan to kataponeis'', eipate.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala pws sto plaisio mias ekpaideytikhs askhshs ena aeroskafos xrhsimopoieitai sta oria ths leitoyrgias toy. Ayto deixnei th diaqesh, to zhlo twn xeiristwn twn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn na kanoyn me ton artiotero tropo thn askhsh. Na dhmioyrghsoyn, dhladh, dyskoles synqhkes, ypo tis opoies oi idioi diatrexoyn poly megalytero kindyno. To tolmoyn ayto kai gi` ayto toys timoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto poy lete gia toys pilotoys den to amfisbhtw egw, se kamia periptwsh. Alla, otan moy lete oti otan to kataponeis, peftei to aeroskafos, paei na pei oti den yparxei kalos programmatismos.

REPPAS: Den eipa ayto. Den exei kamia sxesh ayto poy lete kai yponoeite me ayto poy eipa. To aeroplano qa prepei na anaptyjei taxythtes, na kanei eligmoys, sto plaisio mias ekpaideytikhs askhshs kai asfalws kataponeitai. Kai otan oi ajiwmatikoi mas qeloyn na dhmioyrghsoyn synqhkes dyskoles, wste h askhsh na einai oso ginetai pio petyxhmenh, asfalws, antilambaneste pws epibarynoyn th leitoyrgia toy aeroskafoys. Ayto deixnei thn tolmh, to qarros toys, thn apaithsh twn idiwn twn xeiristwn na kanoyn thn askhsh me tetoio tropo, wste h askhsh ayth na diejaxqei katw apo tis dysmenesteres synqhkes poy mporei na yparjoyn gia ena aeroplano. Einai poly safh ayta ta opoia lew.

KONTOPOYLOS: Mhpws hrqe h wra na epitaxynqoyn oi diadikasies aposyrshs twn A @ 7 kai twn F @ 4, ta opoia einai palia aeroskafh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti ta aeroskafh ayta xrhsimopoioyntai gia ekpaideytikoys skopoys kai oti h Ellhnikh Aeroporia ananewnei kai eksygxronizei ta aeroskafh ths. To ejoplistiko programma gia thn Aeroporia einai se ejelijh. Einai ena shmantiko programma. Ola ayta antimetwpizontai apo thn hgesia twn Enoplwn Dynamewn me th deoysa eyqynh. Qelw na sas diabebaiwsw gi` ayto.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eilikrinws, k. Ypoyrge, den qelw na epimeinw se ayta, giati h fortish einai megalh kai h dikh sas kai h dikh mas. Alla, pera apo ta sygkekrimena stoixeia toy parontos tragikoy dystyxhmatos, h kybernhsh den problhmatizetai apo to gegonos oti ton teleytaio kairo, afenos, exoyme polla tetoia dystyxhmata kai an qelete na to paroyme kai sth bash toy to qema. Yparxoyn polles kataggelies oti ayth thn wra stis aeroporikes baseis oi efedroi smhnites kai ajiwmatikoi kanoyn skopia epta kai oktw wres thn hmera. Einai dynaton ena stelexos ths Aeroporias, otan kaqetai froyros epta wres, na mporei thn allh wra na einai kalos kai na ektelei eyorkws ta kaqhkonta toy;

REPPAS: Na epanalabw oti o Kanonismos leitoyrgias twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, ths Polemikhs Aeroporias sygkekrimena, einai aytos o opoios problepei pws akribws ajiopoieitai to anqrwpino dynamiko. Den qa mpw se leptomereies, giati den einai toy parontos kai den einai qema ayths ths syzhthshs. Mporw, omws, kai pali na diabebaiwsw esas kai ton ellhniko lao oti to anqrwpino dynamiko ths Polemikhs Aeroporias ektelei ta kaqhkonta toy, symfwna me ta osa problepei o Kanonismos leitoyrgias toy Oploy kai bebaia, symfwna me tis entoles, tis odhgies twn anwterwn. Kai pantote h hgesia, oi kata periptwsh armodioi kai ypeyqynoi, xeirizontai ta qemata me tetoio tropo, wste na diasfalizoyn kai th swsth leitoyrgia kai pthsh twn aeroskafwn, alla kai thn apotelesmatikh askhsh twn kaqhkontwn apo thn pleyra twn ajiwmatikwn, xwris na tiqetai se kindyno h zwh toys. Ola ayta ta qemata, ta opoia ta syzhtoyme eykairiaka -to epishmainw ayto, me aformh ena tragiko symban- kalo einai na mas apasxoloyn diaxronika. Mporw na sas diabebaiwsw oti tis armodies yphresies, thn hgesia twn Enoplwn Dynamewn kai ths Polemikhs Aeroporias thn apasxoloyn ayta ta qemata kai ta antimetwpizei. Ara, den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote memcimoiria h entash gia to oti exei dhqen proyparjei kapoia ameleia poy odhgei se ayta ta apotelesmata. Den symbainei kati tetoio.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den exw tetoia diaqesh, oyte exei tetoia skopimothta h erwthsh moy. Alla, den moy apantate. H kybernhsh problhmatizetai;

REPPAS: Sas edwsa mia politikh apanthsh kai eseis qelete mia texnikh apanthsh. Sas eipa, loipon, oti yparxoyn kanones, basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgei to sygkekrimeno Oplo. Oi kanones aytoi throyntai. H hgesia ths Polemikhs Aeroporias exei analabei prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy oi ajiwmatikoi ths, symfwna me ta osa problepontai, na askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Toylaxiston, h kybernhsh mporei na elegjei to gegonos, an aytos o ariqmos twn dystyxhmatwn einai fysiologikos me thn analogia twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Dioti, kaqe fora poy ginetai ena tetoio atyxhma, eykairiakws opws lete, mas lete ayta ta opoia pleon exoyn ginei ``klise''. Oloi kanoyme to stayro mas, eimaste fortismenoi, sygkinhmenoi. Oloi einai @

REPPAS: Eseis qesate pote tetoio qema, sxetiko me th leitoyrgia twn aeroskafwn, otan den yphrxe atyxhma; Twra to qetete. Ayto shmainei oti to endiaferon sas prokaleitai apo ena ejwgenh paragonta. Ayto to opoio prepei na kanoyme ayth thn wra, einai na anamenoyme na oloklhrwqoyn oi ereynes gia na exoyme ena symperasma.

Oson afora to deikth atyxhmatwn gia thn Polemikh Aeroporia, den dikaiologei tetoioy eidoys kathgories. Alla, en pash periptwsei, oydeis mporei na xarakthrisei ws fysiologiko ena atyxhma. Oydeis mporei na pei oti anamenomeno einai, sto plaisio askhsewn, na exeis kai ayta ta atyxhmata. Den mporeis na to peis ayto. Einai kati, omws, poy symbainei.

MOYRTZHS: To sxedio pthshs se poio ycos proeblepe oti qa petoyse to aeroskafos;

REPPAS: Ola ayta, me sygxwreite poy paramenw se ayth th genikh diatypwsh, einai prowro na ta syzhthsoyme twra. Qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno ereynas kai qa ekdoqei to sxetiko porisma.

BIDALH: Qa hqela na sxoliasete to dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``PONTIKI'', symfwna me to opoio anamenetai ekqesh twn HPA, gia thn Ellada, meta tis ekloges.

REPPAS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

SOYRMELH: Qa hqela na rwthsw kati sxetiko me tis taytothtes. Meta th xqesinh synanthsh toy Arxiepiskopoy me ton ypoyrgo Paideias, merikoi parathrhtes epishmainoyn shmera oti gia allh mia fora h kybernhsh emfanizetai na kanei ``pisw'', se sxesh me th antidrash ths Ekklhsias. Epeidh, mas eipate kai pro dyo hmerwn, oti ypeyqynos gia thn efarmogh toy yfistamenoy nomoy einai o ekastote ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, ean isxyei ayth h topoqethsh kai ean kai pali o k. Staqopoylos einai ypeyqynos gia thn efarmogh kai pote toy sygkekrimenoy nomoy;

REPPAS: Prin mpw sthn oysia ths apanthshs moy, moy epitrepete na pw oti polla grafthkan kai eipwqhkan aytes tis hmeres, xwris na antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Toylaxiston, ayta ta opoia apodoqhkan se mas. Mas apodoqhkan ``fraseis'', ``lejeis'', oi opoies oydepote exoyn ekfrastei apo emas. Ayto to epishmainoyme. H qesh mas htan safhs. Mpainw twra sthn oysia ths apanthshs me tropo oso ginetai pio lito gia na mhn paramenoyn ekkremeis diafores paranohseis. Exoyme chfisei ena sygkekrimeno nomo kai to yfistameno nomiko kaqestws paramenei ws exei. Qa prepei na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia ekdoshs twn sxetikwn egkykliwn h odhgiwn gia thn efarmogh aytoy toy plaisioy. Sth fash ayth eimaste twra. En tw metajy, qemata, ta opoia exoyn sxesh me thn efarmogh sthn prajh aytwn twn diatajewn, qa syzhthqoyn me toys endiaferomenoys foreis. Den tiqetai opoiodhpote allo qema. To exw pei arketes fores kai lypoymai giati blepw na apodidetai se mena kai se alloys, mia qesh h opoia oydepote exei yposthrixqei apo emas. Eida, gia paradeigma, xqes se efhmerida, arqro poy anaferotan se mena, yposthrizontas pws egw eipa oti ``exoyme qeseis, alla qa tis diapistwsete en kairw''. Oydepote eipa tetoio pragma. Eipa oti exoyme qeseis, exoyme protaseis kai oti en kairw qa antimetwpisoyme ta praktika qemata kai qa efarmosoyme ayto to nomiko plaisio. H qesh mas einai to yfistameno nomiko plaisio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti qa to syzhthsoyme me toys endiaferomenoys foreis. Eiste diateqeimenoi, dhladh, na tropopoihsete to nomo poy exei chfistei; Ti qa syzhthsete;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin. Eipa oti yparxei nomiko plaisio, to opoio paramenei kai oti ta synafh qemata poy aforoyn thn praktikh efarmogh aytoy toy plaisioy, asfalws, kaqws proxwra ayth h diadikasia, mporoyn na syzhthqoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Xronodiagramma gia tis egkyklioys den exoyme akoma;

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ayto den qa ginei shmera h ayrio. Xrhsimopoihsa th syntomh frash ``en kairw'', th frash se eyqeto xrono''. Den mporw na prosdiorisw sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia. Einai kati poy den epitrepetai na to kanw. Qa htan epipolaio apo th dikh moy pleyra. Einai qema twn armodiwn yphresiwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh h k. Papandreoy synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo gi ayto to qema, gi ayto rwtw. Mhpws apofasisan kati;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos syzhthse me thn k. Papandreoy, qemata ths armodiothtas ths, enocei toy ayrianoy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Opws jerete kalytera apo emena, h Synqhkh Maastrixt, Amsterntam, alla kai h Symfwnia Segken, epitrepoyn stis xwres-melh na diathroyn thn idiaiterothta toys kai, oson afora ta proswpika dedomena, to afhnoyn sto kaqe polith na orizei poia apo ta proswpika toy dedomena qelei na einai gnwsta h oxi. Ayto einai ws nomiko plaisio aytwn twn triwn Symfwniwn. Ti kanei, loipon, thn kybernhsh na mhn ekqetei th dikh ths apoch kai afhnei na aiwreitai olh ayth h amfibolia gyrw apo to sygkekrimeno qema;

REPPAS: H qesh ths kybernhshs, oxi mono einai gnwsth, alla exei ginei safhs me ton pleon epishmo kai egkyro tropo, me nomo sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Sto nomo ayto anaferontai sygkekrimena poia proswpika dedomena qewroyntai, opws leme, ``eyaisqhta''. Epishs, sto nomo ayto toy 1997, ginetai logos gia thn anagkh, prokeimenoy na ejyphrethqei sygkekrimenos skopos -opws en prokeimenw, h anagnwrish enos atomoy me to pistopoihtiko taytothtas toy, poy ekdidei h Politeia- na tygxanoyn epejergasias ta proswpika dedomena poy einai prosfora, xrhsima kai anagkaia kai oxi perissotera apo ayta. H Politeia, loipon, brisketai sto stadio, mesw egkykliwn kai allwn odhgiwn, na proetoimasei th dioikhsh, wste na efarmosei ayto to nomiko plaisio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me ton Prwqypoyrgo ti syzhthsate shmera to prwi;

REPPAS: Eixame thn kaqierwmenh synanthsh, opws kaqe Deytera kai Pempth prwi, gia diafora qemata ths kybernhtikhs drashs. Kai ton enhmerwsa gia qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Typoy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Alhqeyei h plhroforia oti qa epanakykloforhsei h ``EJORMHSH''; Epeidh einai qema Typoy;

REPPAS: Den to gnwrizw, einai qema poy den afora thn kybernhsh.

GKOGKAS: Apofasise xqes h kybernhsh th sygkrothsh Oikonomikostratiwtikhs Epitrophs, oson afora ta MOE kai, opws anaferoyn oles oi plhrofories, ayth h epitroph qa asxoleitai me orismena qemata gyrw apo ta MOE. Mhpws mporeite na mas prosdiorisete poia einai ayta ta metra, ta opoia qa diapragmateyetai ayth h Epitroph me thn analogh Epitroph poy qa systaqei sthn Agkyra;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, qesate ena qema, to opoio den gnwrizw ean exei pragmatikh bash. Eipate oti yparxei mia analogh epitroph sthn Agkyra kai oti dyo Epitropes qa arxisoyn na diapragmateyontai qemata. Apo poy prokyptei ayto; Den prokyptei kati tetoio. Ayto to opoio apotelei qesh mas kai apotelese antikeimeno syzhthshs kai sth xqesinh synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys einai toyto: Asfalws, ta qemata Metrwn Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs sto Aigaio, syzhtoyntai sto plaisio toy NATO, ypo thn aigida toy NATO, metajy twn ekproswpwn twn dyo xwrwn. Ayth h diadikasia einai se ejelijh. Den yparxei opoiadhpote allagh, h opoia na dikaiologei peraiterw syzhthsh. Apo kei kai pera, apofasisthke, sto plaisio ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, h synergasia twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn, peran twn allwn, kai me th sygkrothsh mias omadas, mias epitrophs, sthn opoia qa symmetexoyn ekproswpoi twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn, prokeimenoy na antimetwpizontai diafora qemata, kata periptwsh, otan ayta prokyptoyn. Kai, efoson ayta ta qemata den empiptoyn sth kathgoria twn qematwn stratiwtikoy-texnikoy xarakthra, ta opoia syzhtoyntai sto plaisio toy NATO gia ta MOE. P.x., gia to roy toy potamoy Ebroy ginetai syzhthsh. Einai kati to opoio den maqainete apo mena gia prwth fora. Gia thn antimetwpish toy laqremporioy h ths laqrometanasteyshs xreiazetai na ginei syzhthsh. Den apotelei qema stratiwtikoy xarakthra. Ara, loipon, apo th dikh mas pleyra, ta dyo ypoyrgeia katelhjan na syntonizoyn kai di aytoy toy tropoy tis energeies toys gia na antimetwpisoyn sxetika qemata.

Sas eyxaristw.

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