Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-12-22

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 22 Dekembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qelw na kanw, eisagwgikws, ena sxolio:

Me th xqesinh ypanaxwrhsh ths h Nea Dhmokratia symballei sth synainetikh eklogh Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Ayto einai mia qetikh ejelijh. Einai h prwth fora poy h synhqhs asynepeia ths N. D. exei eyergetikh synepeia gia toys qesmoys kai gia to politeyma. H N. D., bebaiws, phre thn apofash ths ayth me kinhtra mikrokommatika:

-Milaei gia sebasmo pros toys qesmoys, poy ekdhlwnei me th stash ths ayth. Mexri xqes, omws, den qa eprepe na ekdhlwnei ayto to sebasmo pros toys qesmoys;

-Milaei gia th qelhsh ths pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn poy epiqymoyn na epaneklegei o Proedros k. Stefanopoylos gia mia nea qhteia. Mexri xqes, den gnwrize th qelhsh ths pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn h N. D.;

-Milaei gia to proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, kanontas anafora kai sthn politikh katagwgh toy. Mexri xqes, ola ayta den ta gnwrize h N. D.; Oyte to 1995, otan den chfise ton k. Stefanopoylo;

Profanws, h N. D. qewrei oti allajan oi synqhkes, giati kati mesolabhse:

-Ti mesolabhse; Mesolabhse h episkech Klinton, thn opoia h N. D. eixe xarakthrisei "fiasko", enw kriqhke apolytws epityxhs apo oloys;

-Mesolabhse h Synodos Koryfhs toy Elsinki; Thn apofash ayths ths Synodoy, h N. D. th xarakthrise ws apofash ypoxwrhsewn ths Elladas pros thn Toyrkia, thn wra poy kata koinh omologia kai pepoiqhsh, h apofash ayth diasfalizei ta eqnika symferonta. Einai apolytws epityxhs.

-Mesolabhsan dhmoskophseis, apotelesmata metrhsewn ths koinhs gnwmhs. H N. D. eixe proejoflhsei oti ta apotelesmata twn metrhsewn qa htan qetika gi aythn. Opws apodeixqhke h koinh gnwmh apodokimazei thn politikh ths N. D. kai to komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs.

-Mesolabhse kai h katabyqish, en th genesei ths, ths politikhs ths panstratias, thn opoia epixeirhse na khryjei o k. Karamanlhs.

Ola ayta, dhmioyrghsan ena neo periballon kai orioqethsan, profanws, th stash ths N. D. Einai bebaio pws an htan alles oi ejelijeis se aytoys toys tomeis -kai menw endeiktika se aytes tis anafores- qa htan allh kai h qesh ths N. D. Bebaiws, se kaqe periptwsh h N. D. -ayth einai h alhqeia- xrhsimopoiei to proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Se kaqe periptwsh, h N. D. xrhsimopoiei to qesmo kai to proswpo toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Mexri xqes, arnoymenh na yperchfisei ton k. Stefanopoylo, gia na prokalesei ekloges, shmera yperchfizontas ton k. Stefanopoylo, gia na apofygei ekloges. Allwste, seira stelexwn ths N. D. eixan kat epanalhch milhsei gia to kommatiko krithrio to opoio qa lambanotan ypoch gia thn opoia epilogh toy kommatos. Einai qesmika anepitrepto h sysxetish poy ekane h N. D., edw kai para poly kairo, ths diadikasias ths ekloghs Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, me to kata th gnwmh ths yparxon politiko problhma kai thn anagkh gia prowrh prosfygh stis kalpes.

Mexri xqes dhlwne o arxhgos ths oti den qa chfisei ton k. Stefanopoylo, epeidh proexei to politiko problhma, giati prepei, kata th gnwmh kai ton isxyrismo toy, na apomakrynqei ayth h "epizhmia" h "epikindynh" kybernhsh. Twra, ypokrinetai oti den ta sysxetizei, den syndeei to ena me to allo. H ejelijh ayth h opoia proekyce meta thn httopaqh apofash toy arxhgoy ths N. D. einai ena shma gia "pisw olotaxws" ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Isodynamei me omologia httas. H apofash ayth, h opoia proekyce apo ejanagkasmo ths N. D., den payei ej antikeimenoy na einai mia apofash poy symballei se mia qetikh ejelijh. Einai mia nikh toy eqnikoy symferontos, einai mia nikh ths koinhs logikhs kai einai kai dikaiwsh ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy kat epanalhch exoyn tonisei pws ayth h Boylh mporei kai prepei na eklejei Proedro Dhmokratias.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Efoson h N. D. to kanei gia na apofygei tis ekloges kai oti yparxei mia httopaqeia, giati o Prwqypoyrgos den dexetai na kanei ekloges tote poy elege, stis 26 Martioy;

REPPAS: H qesh mas einai ayth poy gnwrizete kai paramenei. H N. D. einai ayth h opoia kathgorhse to 1995 thn Politikh Anoijh, oti egine "oyra toy PASOK", otan chfise tote ton k. Stefanopoylo, giati me th stash ths ayth apetrece tis prowres ekloges. Shmera, h N. D. ginetai "oyra toy PASOK", epeidh me th stash ths apotrepei thn prowrh prosfygh stis ekloges; H N. D. einai ayth h opoia proetasse pantote thn antimetwpish toy kata th gnwmh ths yparxontos politikoy problhmatos, gi ayto zhtoyse na prosfygoyme se prowres ekloges. To xarti ayto, h N. D. qewroyse oti mexri xqes to dieqete kai mporoyse na to xrhsimopoihsei. Me th stash ths to xarti ayto to eskise. Den mporei, pleon, na to xrhsimopoihsei. H prwtoboylia anhkei sthn kybernhsh. H kybernhsh exei, kat epanalhch, dhlwsei oti qa prepei na epityxoyme toys stoxoys mas se synqhkes politikhs, koinwnikhs kai oikonomikhs staqerothtas. H qesh mas paramenei h idia. Emeis den kanoyme politikh me texnasmata. Emeis pisteyoyme oti prepei na kinhqoyme me gnwmona to eqniko symferon kai monon kai oxi me mikrokommatikoys sxediasmoys. Basikh epidiwjh ths kybernhshs einai h staqerothta gia na epityxoyme toys stoxoys mas. Kai h staqerothta ayth den prokeitai na diasaleytei me eyqynh ths kybernhshs. Ara, h kybernhsh synexizei to ergo ths.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe pei kai sto Elsinki kai edw oti qa kanei tis ekloges stis 26 Martioy kai qa tis kerdisei. Qa tis kanei;

REPPAS: O k. Karamanlhs elege oti qa odhghsei ton topo se prowres ekloges. Afoy, loipon, h apofash ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, mexri xqes, htan na mhn chfisei ton k. Stefanopoylo gia na odhghqoyme se prowres ekloges, pragmati mporoyse kaneis na ektimhsei oti oi prowres ekloges qa ginoyn ayth th sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia. Twra, h N. D., me thn ypanaxwrhsh ths ayth, symballei sth synainetikh eklogh Proedroy Dhmokratias. Den exoyme tipota allo na antimetwpisoyme, para mono th diadikasia ekloghs Proedroy Dhmokratias, h opoia brisketai mprosta mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw den sas lew...

REPPAS: Ma, sas apanthsa, htan poly safh ayta poy eipa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw sas lew gia ton Prwqypoyrgo.

REPPAS: Ma, afoy allaje stash h N. D. Emeis den eimaste aytoi oi opoioi epidiwkame ekloges. H N. D. einai ayth h opoia epediwke ekloges kai den epidiwkei, pleon, toylaxiston kaqoson ejartatai apo aythn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ejartatai apo th N. D. o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Mexri xqes, h N. D. ayto to xarti, h idia isxyrizotan oti to eixe sta xeria ths kai mporoyse na to paijei, to na odhghsei th xwra se prowres ekloges gia na antimetwpisei to kata th gnwmh ths proexon politiko problhma, thn apomakrynsh, dhladh, mias "epizhmias kai epikindynhs" -dikoi ths oi xarakthrismoi- kybernhshs. Ayto to xarti den to exei pleon h N. D. Ayto einai poy allaje kai prepei na to antilhfqeite.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Na eikasoyme oti isxyei apolytws h arxikh qesh ths kybernhshs gia ejantlhsh ths 4etias kai diejagwgh twn eklogwn to Septembrio toy 2000;

REPPAS: H qesh mas paramenei idia. H kybernhsh qa synexisei to ergo ths. Oi ekloges prepei na ginoyn me thn oloklhrwsh ths qhteias ayths ths Boylhs.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Oyte xqes akoysame apo ton Prwqypoyrgo gia ejantlhsh ths 4etias kai eseis apofygate prohgoymenws na to anaferete...

REPPAS: Pws apefyga; Den hmoyn safhs;

KANELLOPOYLOS: Den anaferate gia ejantlhsh ths 4etias.

REPPAS: Den apanthsa molis twra; Parakalw, labete to ypoch sas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mporoyme, k. Ypoyrge, na exoyme pali ayth th dhlwsh, dhladh, oti pame gia ekloges to Septembrio toy 2000;

REPPAS: To eipa molis prin. Oti oi ekloges prepei na ginoyn me thn oloklhrwsh ths qhteias ayths ths Boylhs. Den to eipa; Den hmoyn safhs;

PARIS: O k. Skandalidhs se dhlwseis toy se radiofwniko staqmo, shmera, eipe oti yparxei periptwsh eqnikoy logoy, dhladh, h entajh ths xwras sthn ONE, poy qa mporoyse na epispeysei tis ekloges. Hqela ena sxolio panw s` ayto.

REPPAS: Einai kati poy den antimetwpizei h kybernhsh.

FILHS: To idio qema eipe kai h prwth th tajei ypoyrgos h k. Papandreoy, xqes sth Boylh. Eipe oti oi ekloges prepei na ginoyn, eite me thn ejantlhsh ths 4etias, eite me epiklhsh eqnikoy logoy. Einai dikh ths apoch;

REPPAS: Opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos, oi ekloges qa ginoyn symfwna me toys oroys toy Syntagmatos kai gnwrizete, kata to Syntagma, poios einai ekeinos o logos, o opoios mporei na odhghsei se prowrh prosfygh stis kalpes. Alla, tetoio qema den antimetwpizoyme. Emeis legame panta oti qa prepei na anadeixqei o Proedros Dhmokratias me synainetikh diadikasia. Ayto epitygxanetai meta thn anadiplwsh ths N. D. kai ayto einai mia poly kalh ejelijh. Ara, synexizoyme to ergo mas.

FILHS: To qema ths ONE, apotelei eqniko qema gia thn kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti apexoyme ligoys mhnes apo thn kataqesh ths sxetikhs aithshs. Den einai toy parontos to qema ths ONE. H prospaqeia mas prepei na synexistei se synqhkes politikhs kai koinwnikhs staqerothtas kai den prepei h N. D. na symbalei sth dhmioyrgia h th synthrhsh -kai to exei kanei se kapoio baqmo- enos polwtikoy politikoy klimatos, poy exei proeklogika xarakthristika. Ayto prepei na apofeyxqei.

FILHS: Sas rwthsa ean to qema ths ONE, synista eqniko qema gia thn kybernhsh, kai synepws kai aitia -an to skefqei argotera h kybernhsh- prokhryjhs aifnidiwn eklogwn.

REPPAS: To qema ths ONE einai poly shmantiko, giati afora mia prospaqeia kai mia epidiwjh na entaxqoyme sthn Oikonomikh kai Nomismatikh Enwsh, pragma to opoio qa epiteyxqei, opws ola deixnoyn. Ayto to epiteygma qa kaqorisei thn poreia toy eqnoys gia para polla xronia. Oloi to antilambaneste. Den allazei tipota. Oson afora to sxediasmo mas, den allazei tipota, gi ayta poy exoyme pei mexri twra, gia tis politikes ejelijeis. Hmoyn safhs kai paramenw to idio safhs.

KARELIAS: Eipate oti prwtos stoxos einai h staqerothta. To erwthma einai: An synexistei h eklogologia, qa diataraxqei aytos o stoxos, h poreia pros ayto to stoxo; Kai ayto syndyazomeno me thn poreia gia thn entajh sthn ONE einai spoydaios logos poy qa mporoyse na sas kanei na anatrecete ayto poy mas eipate pro oligoy;

REPPAS: Asfalws, basikh epidiwjh mas, gia na epityxoyme toys stoxoys mas einai h staqerothta. H staqerothta einai oros, ek twn wn oyk aney, gia na epityxoyme aytoys toys stoxoys. Kaloyme th N. D. na apofygei opoiadhpote eklogologia. Ayto apotelei prajh eqnikhs eyqynhs. Apo kei kai pera, as mhn kanoyme ayth thn wra ypoqeseis. An syzhtoyme me bash ta "an" poy periexontai sta dika sas erwthmata, antilambaneste pws den qa kanoyme mia politikh syzhthsh me thn armozoysa eyqynh. Qa meinoyme stis qeseis poy exoyme diatypwsei, poy einai diaygeis kai safeis. Synexizoyme to ergo mas.

KARGOYDH: Epeidh apo th xqesinh topoqethsh toy k. Karamanlh, mporoyme na ejagoyme to symperasma oti h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh paramenei stis kataggelies, peri "logistikwn alxhmeiwn", stis opoies katafeygei h kybernhsh gia na paroysiasei ena aithma gia thn ONE, ayto, an synexistei, ws taktikh kai an klimakwqei apo thn pleyra ths N. D. kaqista problhmatikh thn poreia pros thn ONE;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, h N. D. -kai ayto deixnei to megeqos ths aneyqynothtas poy xarakthrizei thn politikh ths- tolma na epikrinei ayth thn prospaqeia ths kybernhshs me tropo poy den kanoyn oyte ta koinotika organa poy elegxoyn ayth thn prospaqeia kai apotimoyn ta apotelesmata ths. Ta elegktika organa ths E. E. exoyn dexqei pws h poreia ths xwras mas pros thn ONE, einai orqh, oti kalyptoyme ta krithria ta opoia exoyn teqei se anypopth xronikh stigmh kai ola deixnoyn oti qa ginoyme melos ths ONE. H N. D. epeidh antilambanetai pws exase ki ayto to treno, metaqetei th syzhthsh sthn meta ONE epoxh. Den milaei gia thn prospaqeia pros thn ONE. Qa deite, oti ola ta stelexh ths, miloyn gia thn meta ONE epoxh. Antilambaneste oloi oti kai thn meta ONE epoxh kai th qesh ths Elladas se ayth th nea epoxh, mporei na thn eggyhqei, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon, h dikh mas kybernhsh, h opoia kaqodhghse ayth thn prospaqeia toy synoloy toy ellhnikoy laoy, gia na exoyme mprosta mas ayth thn poly qetikh ejelijh. Thn entajh sthn ONE. Ergo diko mas einai h entajh sthn ONE, me tis prospaqeies toy synoloy toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ergo diko mas qa einai na diasfalisoyme ta eqnika symferonta kai mesa sthn ONE. Sthn meta ONE epoxh, opws o k. Karamanlhs kai stelexh ths N. D., thn onomazoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti me gnwmona to eqniko symferon gia thn ONE. Mhpws, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon gia thn ONE, qa kanete ekloges;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei se arketa tetoioy eidoys erwthmata. Isws kapoia me diaforetikes lejeis, pantws, me to idio nohma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me gnwmona to eqniko symferon...

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin. Synexizoyme to ergo mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai to 1996 to idio legate.

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei, kat` epanalhch, epi aytoy toy qematos. Den sas aresei, bebaia, giati h eklogikh nikh toy PASOK, to 1996, exei prokalesei amnhsia gia toys logoys poy odhghsan se ekloges. Amnhsia se para polloys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi ayto den gineste pisteytoi.

REPPAS: Enw, h N. D., h opoia mexri xqes hqele na odhghsei th xwra se ekloges kai shmera "anakroyei prymnh", exei mia poly syneph stash! Oloi antilambanontai ti akribws exei symbei. Xarakthrizw ws nikh toy eqnikoy symferontos kai ths koinhs logikhs thn anadiplwsh ths N. D., h opoia etsi -estw kai mesw mias httopaqoys apofashs ths hgesias ths- odhgei se synainetikh anadeijh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias gia mia nea qhteia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipe gia ekloges, tis opoies, omws, o Prwqypoyrgos den dexetai.

REPPAS: Tis opoies, omws, o k. Karamanlhs den mporei pleon na prokalesei. Enw mexri xqes, qewroyse oti proexei na antimetwpisei ayto to kata th gnwmh toy yparxon politiko problhma, prokalwntas ekloges. Twra, steroymenos o idios ayth th dynatothta, den mporei na prokalesei ekloges, ara, anagnwrizei oti den yparxei politiko problhma. Ola ta alla ta opoia leei -dioti ekana ena sxolio prin- antilambaneste oti yphretoyn kapoies skopimothtes. Epanalambanw oti to 1995 h N. D.. den chfise ton k. Stefanopoylo, epeidh epediwke prowres ekloges. Kai kathgorhse thn Politikh Anoijh, poy chfise ton k. Stefanopoylo kai apetrece tis prowres ekloges. Mexri protinos, leei "sebomai ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, alla epeidh prepei na pame se prowres ekloges den qa ton chfisoyme". Twra, ton yperchfizei, oxi gia na paei se ekloges, gia na tis apofygei, gia toys logoys toys opoioys anefera prin. Ola ayta ta opoia mesolabhsan einai gnwsta, exoyn katagrafei istorika. Pisteyw oti kaqe kalopistos analyths bgazei ta symperasmata toy. Den xreiazetai emeis na epixeirhmatologhsoyme para poly.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai o Prwqypoyrgos den elege oti qa paei se ekloges stis 26 Martioy 2000;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei sthn erwthsh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai deilia ayto.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h dikh sas gnwmh, k. Stamatopoyle. Alla, aytos o opoios mporoyse na prokalesei ekloges den exei pia ayth th dynatothta, thn opoia o idios sterhse apo ton eayto toy. O k. Karamanlhs, htan aytos poy miloyse gia prowres ekloges. Den miloysan o Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh gia prowres ekloges. Ekeinos, loipon, poy eixe protajei ayto to stoxo, sterhse apo ton eayto toy ta "opla", ta opoia diateinotan oti mporoyse na xrhsimopoihsei gia na odhghsei se ayto to stoxo.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ligo meta apo thn apofash toy Elsinki, o Toyrkos Prwqypoyrgos Etzebit, se synenteyjh toy sthn efhmerida "SAMPAX", aporriptei sthn oysia thn prosfygh sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs. Leei oti sto Aigaio yparxoyn kai alla zhthmata, ektos apo thn yfalokrhpida kai kalei thn Ellada se dialogo gia na ta epilysei. Pws apantate;

REPPAS: H monh diafora poy yparxei metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias sto Aigaio einai h orioqethsh ths yfalokrhpidas. Ayto to problhma qa antimetwpistei apo to Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, meta thn ypografh synyposxetikoy. Den yparxei otidhpote allo poy, kata thn apoch mas, na synista ellhnotoyrkikh diafora. Ara, den yparxei zhthma opoiasdhpote politikhs diapragmateyshs gia thn antimetwpish tetoioy qematos. H nea periodos poy anoije meta thn apofash toy Elsinki, pisteyw oti epiballei kai sthn Toyrkia na dei me diaforetiko mati tis ejelijeis sthn eyryterh perioxh. Qa prepei na to kanei kai na enarmonistei -desmeyetai allwste- me ayto poy apofasise h E. E.

PARIS: Toys kalokairinoys mhnes o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias eixe dhlwsei kat epanalhch oti to Xrhmatisthrio antikatoptrizei thn poreia ths eqnikhs oikonomias. Shmera, poy to Xrhmatisthrio, apo to Septembrio, exei xasei peripoy 25-30%, qelw na sas rwthsw, an h kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na to pisteyei ayto h an qa yparjei mia plhrhs aposyndesh ths politikhs, ths ejelijhs poy exoyme pros thn ONE, apo thn poreia twn agorwn.

REPPAS: Prwta ap ola, einai poly kalytero na syzhtoyn oso ginetai ligotero oi politikoi gia th leitoyrgia kai thn poreia toy Xrhmatisthrioy, giati prepei na perifroyrhqei h aytonomia toy. Apo ekei kai pera, an qelete na ejetasete thn poreia toy Xrhmatisthrioy makroskopika, qa prepei na deite oti apo thn arxh toy xronoy mexri twra -poy kleinei mia periodos, enas kyklos- oi synallages exoyn fqasei se diplasia epipeda. H ayjhsh toy ogkoy twn synallagwn einai terastia kai gnwrizete poly kala oti h ayjhsh ayth exei fqasei se pososto 90%. Oson afora thn ellhnikh oikonomia, asfalws, exei kanei shmantika almata, ta opoia dikaiologoyn kaqe aisiodojia gia to mellon kai bebaiws, exoyn th qetikh antanaklash toys sthn poreia toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Ayto einai kati poy to paradexontai, se oles tis xwres toy kosmoy, oloi oi oikonomikoi episthmones kai analytes. Sthn Ellada ta oikonomika megeqh, ta oikonomika dedomena dikaiologoyn kaqe aisiodojia gia to mellon, oson afora to Xrhmatisthrio.

PARIS: Den einai akribws etsi. Paradeigmatos xarh, otan egine h anakoinwsh gia th meiwsh twn epitokiwn, meta apo arketo kairo, poy einai mia para poly qetikh ejelijh oson afora tis agores pagkosmiws, sthn Ellada to Xrhmatisthrio epese poly ekeinh thn hmera. Den symperiferetai to Xrhmatisthrio sthn Ellada, opws se alles xwres.

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti thn poreia toy Xrhmatisthrioy den qa prepei na thn ejetasete mikroskopika, apomonwnontas ena mhna h ena dekapenqhmero, prokeimenoy na analysete thn poreia toy. Deite poia htan h poreia toy Xrhmatisthrioy to etos poy se ligo kleinei, poy kleinei kai enas kyklos ths leitoyrgias toy, gia na bgalete asfales symperasma. Kai afhste th leitoyrgia toy Xrhmatisthrioy na ejelixqei etsi, me bash toys dikoys toy kanones. Asfalws, paradexeste kai eseis oti h oikonomikh katastash ths xwras, poy einai poly kalyterh se sxesh me to parelqon, dikaiologei kaqe aisiodojia kai gia thn poreia toy Xrhmatisthrioy.

Sas eyxomai Kales Giortes kai Xronia Polla.

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