Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-11-11

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 11 Noembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy pragmatopoihqhke syskech, sto Megaro Majimoy, gia qemata ths epikairothtas. O Prwqypoyrgos, meta thn epistrofh toy sthn Ellada, zhthse na enhmerwqei apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys gia tis synepeies ths prosfaths fysikhs katastrofhs, gia tis plhmmyres poy eplhjan perioxes ths Peloponnhsoy. Bebaiws, syzhthqhkan pleyres toy qematos ths episkechs toy proedroy twn HPA k. Klinton sthn Ellada. To qema ayto qa apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs kata thn ayrianh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

* O Prwqypoyrgos dexqhke ton Arxhgo ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Antikeimeno ths synanthshs toys htan h episkech toy Proedroy twn HPA. Se ligh wra o Prwqypoyrgos qa probei se sxetikes dhlwseis.

Eimai sth diaqesh sas na akoysw tis erwthseis sas. Qa moy dwsete th dynatothta, elpizw, mesa apo tis erwthseis sas me tis apanthseis moy na epanelqw sth diatypwsh qesewn, pragma to opoio den ekana prwtogenws.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h "APOGEYMATINH" grafei shmera oti Amerikanos ajiwmatoyxos exei zhthsei thn apomakrynsh ths hgesias ths antitromokratikhs yphresias. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: H idia efhmerida egrafe xqes, sthn prwth selida, sto prwto qema, gia dyo dhmoskophseis tis opoies, me dhlwsh-anakoinwsh toys, oi etaireies dhmoskophsewn poy anaferontai sto dhmosieyma ayto exoyn diaceysei oti yfistantai. Shmera anaferetai se ena qema to opoio kai pali den antapokrinetai sta pragmata, ej oswn emeis gnwrizoyme, giati paragontes ths kybernhshs syzhtoyn me ekproswpoys ths kybernhshs twn HPA h twn armodiwn kratikwn yphresiwn twn HPA. Den antapokrinetai sta pragmata, giati den exei syzhthqei tetoio qema.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se oti afora to prwto qema, den exei kamia sxesh me ayto poy sas rwthsa. Allwste...

REPPAS: To gnwrizw. Exei sxesh, omws, me thn "APOGEYMATINH".

KANELLOPOYLOS: "Kontos calmos allhloyia". Oi etaireies dhmoskophsewn qa dwsoyn ta apotelesmata. Ejalloy, qa fanei...

REPPAS: O kalyteros calmos einai o hxos toy anoigmatos ths kalphs, poy anadeiknyei thn kybernhsh. Ola ta alla einai proskaira h efhmera. Yfistantai diakymanseis. Ayto to opoio apotelei staqerh epilogh gia ton polith einai h chfos toy. Ayth ton desmeyei gia mia oloklhrh kybernhtikh qhteia kai se aythn emeis prosblepoyme.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qelw na moy peite an ontws yphrje synanthsh toy Amerikanoy epitetrammenoy se qemata asfaleias, toy k. Rasel, me toys armodioys toy ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs kai an zhthqhkan oi eggyhseis gia ta metra asfaleias toy "planhtarxh", kati to opoio an zhthqhke ek neoy shmainei oti oi Amerikanoi den exoyn peistei gia thn apotelesmatikothta twn ellhnikwn yphresiwn.

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema poy qesate, edwsa apanthsh. Oson afora, twra, tis synanthseis h th synergasia ajiwmatoyxwn twn dyo kybernhsewn, enocei ths episkechs toy Proedroy twn HPA k. Klinton sthn Ellada, asfalws epibebaiwnw oti oi synanthseis aytes einai polles, se polla epipeda. Etsi synhqizetai, kaqe fora, poy prokeitai na episkefqei th xwra mas enas jenos hgeths. Etsi ginetai kai stis periptwseis poy o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos episkeptetai jenh xwra. H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei prosferei oles tis eggyhseis gia thn asfalh kai omalh pragmatopoihsh ayths ths episkechs. To oti ginetai ayth h episkech, apotelei thn kalyterh, thn apostomwtikh apanthsh se oloys ekeinoys poy qewroyn oti oi HPA exoyn amfibolies gia to kata poson exoyn diasfalistei oi oroi gia na pragmatopoihqei h episkech ayth. Oi oroi exoyn diasfalistei. H episkech pragmatopoieitai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, giati h ellhnikh kybernhsh zhthse anabolh;

REPPAS: H dhlwsh moy htan safhs. Pisteyoyme oti qa prepei to endiaferon olwn mas, h prospaqeia mas, na epikentrwqei sto oysiastiko meros ayths ths episkechs. H episkech ayth einai shmantikh, einai xrhsimh gia th xwra. H xwra mas den kerdizei me thn apomonwsh kai thn arnhsh. Kerdizei me thn paroysia ths -kai malista thn enisxymenh paroysia ths- stis ejelijeis kai me th diatypwsh qetikoy logoy kai protasewn. Pisteyoyme, loipon, pws to diasthma poy mesolabei mexri thn pragmatopoihsh ths episkechs, me to neo prosdiorismo ths hmeromhnias ths episkechs, mporei na ajiopoihqei gia kalytero programmatismo kai gia th dhmioyrgia ekeinoy toy klimatos poy mporei na apotelesei ena qaymasio periballon, wste kai h oysia ayths ths synanthshs kai twn syzhthsewn na einai poly pio qetikh, poly pio karpofora. Den qa prepei na skiastei h synanthsh ayth -giati, epanalambanw, th qewroyme shmantikh, xrhsimh kai qetikh gia th xwra mas- apo gegonota ta opoia ektylissontai sto periqwrio ayths ths synanthshs h me aformh ayth th synanthsh. Kai ayta ta gegonota den qa prepei na apospasoyn to endiaferon mas. To endiaferon mas prepei na strafei kateyqeian ston pyrhna ths episkechs, stis syzhthseis poy qa ginoyn, sto plaisio sto opoio qa exoyme th dynatothta gia mia akomh fora, me emfantiko tropo, na diatypwsoyme tis qeseis mas kai na probaloyme ta epixeirhmata mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ayta ta gegonota anebalan to tajidi;

REPPAS: Ayto einai to diko sas symperasma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis ti lete;

REPPAS: Sth dhlwsh moy hmoyn safhs. Milhsa gia diaboyleyseis poy eginan metajy twn dyo kybernhsewn kai gia thn protash poy diatypwse h ellhnikh kybernhsh, gia toys logoys poy molis prin aneptyja, prokeimenoy na exoyme pragmatopoihsh ths episkechs, meta apo oligohmerh anabolh ths. H episkech pragmatopoieitai. Ayto einai to qetiko gegonos kai gi ayto akribws qa prepei oloi na symbaloyme, wste h episkech ayth, poy einai ek twn pragmatwn shmantikh, na apobei kai karpofora gia to eqniko symferon.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Papandreoy paramenei Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: O k. Papandreoy einai enas apolytws epityxhmenos Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Kaqe kybernhsh qelei stis tajeis ths epityxhmenoys ypoyrgoys. O k. Papandreoy, asfalws, einai Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths Elladas, oxi monon ths kybernhshs. Kai ayto prepei na to sebasteite.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Shmiths, Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Me entolh toy laoy, ton opoion eseis isws den anagnwrizete sto baqmo poy prepei. O ellhnikos laos exei apofasisei na exei ws Prwqypoyrgo ton k. Kwsta Shmith.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai alhqeia oti o k. Papandreoy, xwris na gnwrizei o k. Shmiths, eftiaxne atzenta dikh toy me thn k. OlmpraIt;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, tetoioy eidoys erwthseis den exoyn kamia dosh alhqeias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw rwtaw. An einai alhqeia rwtaw.

REPPAS: Sas lew oti den exei kamia dosh alhqeias, opoiosdhpote tetoios isxyrismos. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me oloys toys ypoyrgoys kai me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, einai aristh kai gi ayto den dikaiologeitai opoiadhpote yponoia gia diastash apocewn epi ths oysias ths askoymenhs politikhs, alla kai sto epipedo twn xeirismwn. Pisteyw, loipon, oti tetoioy eidoys erwthseis prepei na stamathsoyn, giati den einai pros to symferon ths xwras mas, poly perissotero ayth thn periodo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To Majimoy ta dioxeteyei, den ta lew egw.

REPPAS: Ayta poy kapoioi lene oti, dhqen, to Majimoy diadidei tetoioy eidoys isxyrismoys den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn alhqeia. Kamia sxesh me thn alhqeia kai parakalw mhn ta epikaleisqe.

KARAGIANNH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mporeite na mas prosdiorisete poioi einai oi logoi poy kanoyn thn kybernhsh na pisteyei oti osa -endexomenws mh oysiastika- den qa mporoysan na epiteyxqoyn an o k. Klinton erxotan ayth thn ebdomada, mporoyn na epiteyxqoyn mesa se diasthma mias ebdomadas poy mesolabei meta thn anabolh; Kai qa hqela na moy prosdiorisete epakribws toys logoys: Anaferqhkate genikotera, se kalyterh proetoimasia k. lp.. To erwthma einai giati ola ayta mporoyn na ginoyn mesa se mia ebdomada kai den eginan olo to prohgoymeno diasthma;

REPPAS: Kata thn apoch mas, qa mporoysan na ginoyn kai me thn pragmatopoihsh ths episkechs sthn arxikws programmatismenh hmeromhnia ths. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia einai oti to oysiastiko, to politiko, dhladh, meros ths episkechs paramenei opws arxikws eixe sxediastei. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. To dieykrinizw epeidh akoyw kapoioys na diatypwnoyn kritikh akomh kai gia to oti qa einai ligoteres oi wres episkechs kai paramonhs toy Proedroy twn HPA sthn Ellada. Den allazei tipota, loipon, oson afora to politiko meros kai th shmasia ayths ths episkechs. Apo ekei kai pera -eimai safhs se ayto to opoio dhlwsa xqes kai epanelaba mesw apanthsewn poy edwsa prohgoymenws- h episkech ayth mporei na apobei xrhsimh gia th xwra mas. Qa exoyme th dynatothta na probaloyme ston episkepth mas tis apoceis mas, tis qeseis mas, na enisxysoyme thn paroysia mas stis ejelijeis kai ayto apo mono toy apotelei ena kerdos. Nomizw, loipon, oti h episkech h opoia qa ginei thn epomenh ebdomada, sto plaisio enos neoy sxediasmoy, qa einai xrhsimh gia thn Ellada. H hmeromhnia den einai qema dogmatikhs proseggishs apo thn pleyra mas. To kaqoristiko einai ayth h idia h episkech. Gnwrizame apo poly kairo oti o k. Klinton qa brisketai sthn perioxh me thn eykairia ths Synodoy Koryfhs toy OASE sthn Kwnstantinoypolh kai gnwrizame oti eprokeito na episkefqei xwres ths perioxhs, metajy aytwn kai thn Ellada. Gnwrizete oti syxna diatypwnate akomh kai gi ayto kritikh, gia to oti, dhladh, Amerikanoi paragontes, mhde ejairoymenoy toy Proedroy twn HPA, syzhtoyn prwta me ekproswpoys ths Toyrkias ta ellhnotoyrkika qemata kai meta me ekproswpoys ths xwras mas. Alloi diatypwnoyn thn teleiws antiqeth kathgoria, oti syzhtoyn prwta me mas kai meta me thn Toyrkia. Ayta antilambaneste -epeidh diatypwnontai kai twn dyo eidwn kritikes- den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta, h opoia diepei tis ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis h ton tropo me ton opoio askoyn thn politikh toys oi xwres poy exoyn politikh. Egw pisteyw oti kai oi HPA exoyn ejwterikh politikh kai h Ellada exei ejwterikh politikh kai h Toyrkia exei ejwterikh politikh. To qema einai, loipon, na krathsoyme anoiktoys toys diayloys epikoinwnias -ayto einai to shmantiko, oxi oi hmeromhnies stis opoies ektylissetai h opoias morfhs epikoinwnia- prokeimenoy na syzhtoyme ta qemata, na anadeiknyoyme ta epixeirhmata mas kai na enisxyoyme th qesh mas.

KARAGIANNH: Epeidh eipate oti h Ellada den einai dogmatikh se oti afora to qema twn hmeromhniwn kai oti telos pantwn qewreite oysiwdh thn afijh toy Mpil Klinton sthn Ellada, ayth kaqeayth, to erwthma moy einai ean kapoia stigmh ta teleytaia dyo 24wra perihlqan sth gnwsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs plhrofories apo thn Oyasigkton oti o Leykos Oikos prosanatolizetai sto endexomeno mataiwshs ths episkechs.

REPPAS: Aytes oi plhrofories htan diaxytes. Ekfrasthke problhmatismos, alla htan safhs h qesh poy diatypwse o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos kai htan safhs -ayth einai h alhqeia kai prepei na thn tonisw- h boylhsh kai twn dyo kybernhsewn kai h ametakinhth qesh toys na pragmatopoihqei h episkech. Gi ayto akribws, ws apotelesma twn diaboyleysewn metajy twn dyo kybernhsewn, odhghqhkame se ayth th nea proseggish me ton prosdiorismo neas hmeromhnias episkechs.

KARAGIANNH: Epeidh eipate oti ekfrasthke problhmatismos, qa parakaloysa na prosdiorisete ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh egine dekths problhmatismoy ths Oyasigkton, se oti afora ta qemata asfaleias toy Proedroy h problhmatismoy poy diatypwqhke, mesw toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn twn HPA pros to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths Elladas, se oti afora to periexomeno twn synomiliwn, thn atzenta dhladh poy eprokeito na syzhthsei o k. Klinton me ton k. Shmith.

REPPAS: Oyte to ena, oyte to allo symbainei. H atzenta twn qematwn poy apasxoloyn aytoys poy syzhtoyn, perilambanei ta qemata ta opoia dhlwnoyn kai to endiaferon poy exei h kaqe pleyra, prokeimenoy na eishghqei th syzhthsh qematwn poy thn aforoyn. Den yparxei opoiadhpote diafwnia ws pros ayto. Eimai kathgorhmatikos. Oson afora ta qemata asfaleias, apanthsa se sxetikes erwthseis. Epanerxomai, periorizomenos se toyto: Emeis prosferoyme oles tis eggyhseis, wste h episkech na ejelixqei me ton pleon omalo tropo. Asfalws, se mia tetoia omalh oloklhrwsh ths episkechs qa symbalei h dhmioyrgia enos epoikodomhtikoy klimatos, poy mporei na apotelesei to katallhlo periballon, prokeimenoy oi synanthseis kai oi syzhthseis, poy qa diejaxqoyn mesa se ayto to periballon, na einai oso ginetai pio apotelesmatikes. Apo ekei kai pera, den prokeitai na syzhthsoyme, dhmosiws, to synolo twn syzhthsewn poy ginontai metajy twn ekproswpwn dyo kybernhsewn. Antilambaneste pws ayto oxi mono den epitrepetai, alla den einai kai praktika efikto. Menw, loipon, sto na diatypwsw thn kathgorhmatikh qesh oti den eystaqoyn isxyrismoi h proseggiseis -apo diaforoys analytes ginontai tetoies proseggiseis- peri diastashs apocewn se qemata poy exoyn sxesh me to periexomeno twn synomiliwn -thn kaloymenh atzenta- h se qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn ejasfalish twn orwn omalhs oloklhrwshs ths episkechs ayths.

KARGOYDH: Perilambanetai sthn atzenta twn synomiliwn to qema ths synergasias twn dyo pleyrwn stoys ejoplismoys;

REPPAS: Sto plaisio aytwn twn syzhthsewn oi dyo pleyres qetoyn ta qemata poy exoyn endiaferon kai gia tis dyo h gia mia ek twn dyo. Ola ta qemata twn tomewn politikhs synergasias, synergasias sto stratiwtiko, oikonomiko, emporiko, politistiko, toyristiko tomea, mporei na pei kaneis oti apoteloyn antikeimeno syzhthshs se tetoioy eidoys synanthseis. Gnwrizete oti, kata thn praktikh poy isxyei, den ekdidetai kapoios katalogos qematwn, ta opoia anakoinwnontai ek twn proterwn. Gnwrizete poly kala oti se kaqe epipedo, se oles tis baqmides ths dioikhshs, oi kratikoi paragontes ths mias h ths allhs xwras apasxoloyntai me qemata ta opoia, thn katallhlh stigmh, poy jenos hgeths mias sygkekrimenhs xwras prokeitai na pragmatopoihsei mia episkech, erxontai pali sto fws ths epikairothtas, sthn prwth grammh. Aytoi oi opoioi ta xeirizontai synergazontai etsi, wste sto plaisio ths synanthshs twn hgetwn poy ekproswpoyn tis dyo xwres, ta qemata ayta na teqoyn, na syzhthqoyn kai na epidiwxqei h megisth dynath proseggish.

KARGOYDH: Me amerikanikh prwtoboylia tiqentai sthn atzenta...

REPPAS: Me prwtoboylia kai twn dyo xwrwn.

KARGOYDH: Se xqesinh sas dhlwsh, epishmainete oti sto enapomeinan diasthma qa epiteyxqei enas kalyteros programmatismos ths episkechs toy k. Klinton sth xwra mas. Nomizw, oti diatypwnete mia emmesh epikrish gia to mexri shmera sxediasmo h kai aytokritikh. Qa hqela ena sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin, se sxetikh erwthsh, gia to qema ayto. Kanena sxolio. Qewroyme poly qetiko kai shmantiko to gegonos ths episkechs. Qewroyme pws h episkech ayth qa apobei xrhsimh gia thn Ellada, epeidh qa exoyme th dynatothta na probaloyme tis apoceis mas. Ola ta alla ta opoia exoyn sxesh me organwtika, praktika h typika qemata, den antilegw, exoyn th shmasia toys. Den nomizw, omws, oti prepei na epikentrwqei to endiaferon se ayta, giati etsi den exoyme th dynatothta na ajiopoihsoyme thn eykairia ths episkechs ayths, gia na probaloyme tis politikes qeseis mas kai na enisxysoyme th qesh ths xwras synolika.

TAKHS: Qa hqela na moy peite, an ejetazete to endexomeno na mh dianyktereysei o k. Klinton sthn Aqhna, thn Paraskeyh. Na fygei, dhladh, thn idia hmera.

REPPAS: Oi dyo kybernhseis exoyn anakoinwsei oti h episkech ayth qa pragmatopoihqei stis 19 kai 20 Noembrioy.

BITALHS: Kai sthn anakoinwsh poy bgalate, xqes, kai se apanthsh sas, shmera, to epixeirhma gia kalyterh proetoimasia, sto diasthma poy mesolabei apo to Sabbato mexri thn erxomenh ebdomada, dinei thn eykairia gi ayto. Einai ena epixeirhma to opoio kyriarxei. To erwthma moy einai, mhpws exei dhmioyrghqei kapoio problhma ston arxiko programmatismo, epeidh kai h episkech toy k. Klinton eixe epispeysqei kata deka peripoy hmeres, kai poy akribws egkeitai ayto to problhma toy programmatismoy.

REPPAS: Xairomai poy ypenqymizete se oloys mas oti pragmati yphrxe arxikws h skech, h episkech sthn Ellada na pragmatopoihqei meta th Synodo Koryfhs toy OASE, sthn Kwnstantinoypolh. Pragma poy telikws ginetai, meta thn prosfath anabolh. Den exei kamia shmasia, epanalambanw, h hmeromhnia. O kalyteros programmatismos mporei na prokycei me thn ajiopoihsh toy xronikoy diasthmatos poy mesolabei. Einai dynaton, apo th stigmh poy yparxei ayth h xronikh metaqesh, na poyme oti den qa ajiopoihsoyme ayto to xroniko diasthma poy mesolabei; Asfalws, qa to xrhsimopoihsoyme. Giati panta yparxoyn periqwria beltiwshs ths prospaqeias se oloys toys tomeis. Kai o sygkekrimenos den einai ejairesh.

BITALHS: Xqes, yphrjan taytoxrones anakoinwseis, stis 4 to apogeyma, wra Elladas, kai ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai ths amerikanikhs pleyras, sxetika me to neo kaqorismo ths hmeromhnias episkechs toy k. Klinton. To erwthma moy einai to ejhs: Pote, akribws, Aqhna kai Oyasigkton eixan katalhjei se ayth th nea hmeromhnia;

REPPAS: Arketes wres, prin. Den eimai se qesh na sas pw poses.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mporeite na prosdiorisete ta gegonota poy qa mporoysan na skiasoyn thn episkech toy k. Klinton, an erxotan ayrio h meqayrio;

REPPAS: Otidhpote mporei na symbalei sth dhmioyrgia mias eikonas gia th xwra mas, h opoia den exei sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Gegonota me ekdhlwsh fainomenwn bias. Gegonota ta opoia prosballoyn kai eytelizoyn qesmoys kai proswpa. Gegonota ta opoia den exoyn sxesh me thn eleyqerh ekfrash mias politikhs apochs, alla perissotero exoyn sxesh, afenos, me th diakwmwdhsh twn qesmwn kai afeteroy, me mia prospaqeia h opoia ej antikeimenoy odhgei se traymatismo ths eikonas ths xwras.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mporeite na prosdiorisete pws qa apofeyxqoyn ayta ta gegonota;

REPPAS: Ta opoia fainomena, mporei na apofeyxqoyn, kyriws, oxi mesw apagoreysewn, alla me thn askhsh ths eyqynhs poy oloys elpizw mas diakatexei kai me thn epideijh toy endiaferontos olwn mas na perifroyrhsoyme thn eikona ths xwras mas, ston ypertato baqmo. Etsi qa apotrecoyme ton traymatismo toy kyroys ths xwras mas, poy exei mia poly megalh kai ploysia paradosh se qemata filojenias kai epideijhs sebasmoy se jenoys episkeptes, poy symbainei na einai kai proskeklhmenoi mas. Aytos einai o pleon apotelesmatikos tropos. Alla ayto, menei na apodeixqei sthn prajh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Exei enhmerwsei o k. Klinton poia einai ta qemata poy ton endiaferoyn kai qa qesei ston k. Shmith;

REPPAS: Apanthsa, prin, se sxetikes erwthseis kai hmoyn analytikos.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ta gnwrizete ayta ta qemata;

REPPAS: Qa syzhthqoyn ola ta qemata, sto plaisio twn dimerwn sxesewn. Kai bebaiws, qemata poy exoyn zwtikh shmasia gia mas, eyryteroy endiaferontos. Den aforoyn, dhladh, kateyqeian tis ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis. Tetoia qemata einai to kypriako problhma, oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis kai bebaiws, h anadeijh toy prwtagwnistikoy roloy ths Elladas sthn eyryterh perioxh twn Balkaniwn kai ths notioanatolikhs Eyrwphs. Ayta einai ta qemata.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Eipate, prohgoymenws, oti askeitai kritikh apo orismenes pleyres, gia to oti o Proedros twn HPA synanta prwta ton Ellhna kai meta ton Toyrko omologo toy kai to antistrofo. Skeftetai h kybernhsh na jeperasei ayth thn kritikh, odhgoymenh se mia synanthsh poy qa einai kai o Toyrkos kai o Ellhnas kai o Amerikanos Proedros;

REPPAS: Den exei programmatistei kai den problepetai otidhpote sxetiko, enocei ths Synodoy Koryfhs toy OASE, sthn Kwnstantinoypolh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: H poreia sthn Amerikanikh Presbeia qa epitrapei;

REPPAS: Sas exoyme pei tis qeseis mas. Den exw na prosqesw tipota se ayto.

KYRIAKIDOY: Epeidh milhsate gia thn eikona ths xwras, eseis den qewreite ws kybernhsh oti exei, hdh, proklhqei zhmia sthn eikona ths xwras apo, oxi mono thn anabolh, alla kai th syntomeysh ths episkechs, h opoia qa htan trihmerh kai twra ginetai ligotero apo 24 wres, afoy den prokeitai na paei poyqena, qa meinei sto jenodoxeio toy. Kai epishs, den qewreite oti ayto blaptei kai tis ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, qa xrhsimopoioysa th lejh "zhmia", poy xrhsimopoihsate, gia na xarakthrisw th sygkekrimenh ejelijh, an eixame mataiwsh ths episkechs. Pragmatika, h mataiwsh ths episkechs, qa mporoyse na odhghsei sthn ejagwgh symperasmatos, oti exoyme mia cyxransh stis sxeseis ths Elladas me tis HPA. H episkech qa pragmatopoihqei. Kai einai to idio oysiastikh kai shmantikh. Mhn metrate, sas parakalw, th shmasia kai thn ajia ths episkechs me mia mezoyra xronoy. To politiko meros ths episkechs ayths, paramenei opws problepetai ston arxiko sxediasmo. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto. Asfalws, o Proedros Klinton qa metakinhqei, prokeimenoy na kanei tis synanthseis kai tis syzhthseis poy perilambanontai sto programma ths episkechs toy. Ola ta alla, ta opoia -epanalambanw- odhgoyn sto na parameinoyme prosdemenoi sta perifereiaka, organwtika, texnika qemata kai dhmioyrgoyntai, ej aformhs ths episkechs, den symballoyn. Gi ayto, akribws, h prospaqeia mas prepei na epikentrwqei se ayth thn idia thn episkech kai th shmasia ths, to periexomeno ths. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

KYRIAKIDOY: O dieqnhs Typos dinei, shmera -krinw apo thn "Herald Tribune"- oti o k. Klinton anaballei thn episkech toy sthn Ellada gia logoys asfaleias. Ayto den qewreite oti prokalei mia arnhtikh eikona ths Elladas;

REPPAS: Qa elega pws eimaste oi teleytaioi oi opoioi epiqymoyme arnhtika dhmosieymata h dhmosieymata, ta opoia einai epikritika gia th xwra mas, amesws h emmesws. Apo thn allh, omws, gnwrizete oti o Typos einai eleyqeros. Exoyme, epishs, polla dhmosieymata toy Typoy sthn Ellada. Den antapokrinontai, omws, sthn alhqeia. Emeis exoyme kaqe logo na kanoyme th doyleia mas kai na askhsoyme ta kaqhkonta mas me ton pio paragwgiko tropo. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, den qa anagoreyqoyme se ypertath arxh gia na ypagoreyoyme sta MME, ti einai ayto to opoio qa probaloyn h qa dhmosieysoyn. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai toyto: H episkech qa pragmatopoihqei kai prepei qetika na proseggisoyme thn ejelijh sxetika me thn episkech. Ayto einai to qetiko gegonos.

KARAMPASHS: Qa hqela na epimeinw ligo se mia apanthsh poy dwsate prohgoymenws, oson afora thn trimerh synanthsh, h opoia mporei na symbei sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, epeidh apo to Leyko Oiko, otan yphrje mia paromoia erwthsh, afeqhke to qema anoikto. Eseis eipate oti den problepetai kati sxetiko. To apokleiete, dhladh;

REPPAS: Den eimai mellontologos. Mporw na milhsw me bash ta osa isxyoyn ayth th stigmh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti se analoges periptwseis sto parelqon, sto plaisio tetoiwn megalwn diaskecewn poy symmetexoyn hgetes pollwn xwrwn, dinetai h dynatothta eite synanthsewn typikoy, koinwnikoy xarakthra, eite synanthsewn stis opoies exoyn th dynatothta na antallajoyn oi hgetes kai politikes apoceis. Einai kati to opoio den mporei na apokleistei, alla synanthsh, metajy twn hgetwn, stoys opoioys anaferqhke o k. Mpogiopoylos, prepei na sas pw oti den prokyptei. Qa prepei na to katasthsw safes gia na mhn yparxei paranohsh.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Poia einai h apoch ths kybernhshs gia to poios eyqynetai gia to ligotero kalo programmatismo; Exoyn akoystei kai sklhroteres ekfraseis kai apo thn antipoliteysh. Ayth den einai h dikh moy apoch, qewrw oti to ypainixqhkate ki eseis, emmesws, milwntas gia kalytero programmatismo to epomeno diasthma. Poios eyqynetai gia thn kybernhsh gia to ligotero kalo programmatismo;

REPPAS: Qa htan poly logikh h erwthsh sas me mia proypoqesh: Oti emeis den hmastan etoimoi gia thn episkech, tis hmeromhnies poy arxikws eixe programmatistei na ginei, enw hmastan etoimoi. Kai epishs, sth dhlwsh moy synedesa thn prospaqeia gia kalytero programmatismo me thn ajiopoihsh toy xronikoy diasthmatos poy mesolabei. An sas pw -gia thn oikonomia ths syzhthshs- oti h episkech ayth qa pragmatopoihqei to Dekembrio, ara, exoyme megalytero xroniko diasthma, kai etsi kalyteres kai perissoteres dynatothtes kai xrono na ergastoyme gia akoma kalyterh organwsh, den shmainei oti twra den eimaste katallhlws proetoimasmenoi gia th synanthsh. To ena syndeetai me to allo. O perissoteros xronos, ek twn pragmatwn, soy prosferei megalyteres dynatothtes gia akoma kalytero programmatismo. An den deite ton paragonta xrono, tote pragmatika dikaiologeitai mia tetoia erwthsh.

BITSENTZOY: Lete oti hmastan etoimoi na ypodexqoyme ton Amerikano Proedro, ayth th stigmh, apo pleyras programmatismoy kai den teqhke kai qema asfaleias. Giati, loipon, oi Amerikanoi skefqhkan na th mataiwsoyn kai eipate eseis "mhn th mataiwnete";

REPPAS: Eipa oti einai ekfrasmenh h boylhsh kai twn dyo kybernhsewn kai diatypwqhke se oloys toys tonoys h qesh ayth. Na pragmatopoihqei, dhladh, h episkech. Kai parakalw, mhn epanerxeste sto qema ths dhqen syrriknwshs ths shmasias ths episkechs, epeidh qewreite pws ayto einai eyqygrammh proektash ths mikroterhs diarkeias ths episkechs. H episkech exei mikroterh diarkeia, alla einai plhrhs episkech, me olh th shmasia kai thn ajia ths. Se ayto epimenw.

BITSENTZOY: Se sxesh me thn epixeirhmatologia poy exei anaptyxqei tis teleytaies hmeres kai exete kanei kai dhlwseis, legate, synexws, ws Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs, oti eimaste mia dhmokratikh xwra poy oi diadhlwtes mporoyn na fqanoyn mexri ekei poy oi idioi kaqorizoyn, ws to shmeio poy qeloyn na fqasoyn. En prokeimenw, mexri to shmeio filojenias toy Amerikanoy Proedroy. To erwthma moy einai, giati syxna den afhnete diadhlwtes, opws syntajioyxoys h alloys, na fqanoyn mexri ejw apo to Majimoy kai kleinete to dromo;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti to fainomeno twn diadhlwsewn sthn Ellada einai syxno, oti to fronhma sthn Ellada einai eleyqero kai dinetai h dynatothta stoys polites na ekfrazoyn tis apoceis toys. Den yparxei diafwnia ws pros ayto, mexri shmeioy malista na dhmioyrgoyntai, polles fores, problhmata. Ayto den erxetai se rhjh h se sygkroysh me thn ypoxrewsh poy exei h politeia na perifroyrei kai alla agaqa. Kai ta agaqa ayta einai h omalh anaptyjh twn kaqhmerinwn drasthriothtwn twn politwn, h diasfalish ths dikhs toys asfaleias kai twn perioysiwn toys kai h akwlyth leitoyrgia twn kratikwn yphresiwn, organwn kai forewn ths politeias. Kai enocei ths episkechs toy Proedroy Klinton, asfalws qa lhfqoyn ola ta endeiknyomena metra, prokeimenoy to programma na ejelixqei, xwris ton paramikro kindyno na ekdhlwqoyn fainomena, ta opoia qa traymatisoyn thn episkech. Asfalws, to programma, opws sxediazetai kai opws qa efarmostei, metajy twn allwn, qa problepei th lhch olwn twn aparaithtwn metrwn, wste na mh dhmioyrghqei to paramikro empodio stoys jenoys proskeklhmenoys mas, na feroyn se peras to programma toys.

BITSENTZOY: Ayto eixe diasfalistei sthn arxh, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Mhn kanoyme tetoioy eidoys erwthseis, giati den proagoyme thn politikh enhmerwsh. Den prokyptei tipote allo, apla epanerxomaste sta idia qemata.

BITSENTZOY: Den einai sxolio, einai erwthsh.

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei se ola ayta. Aytes einai oi qeseis mas. Eseis exete th dynatothta sta Mesa poy ergazeste na diatypwsete ta sxolia sas kai na ekfrazete tis dikes sas apoceis. Edw, ginetai mia prospaqeia na symfwnhsoyme apolytws. Kai enw ayto qa prepei egw na to epixeirw, to epixeireite eseis. Qelete na symfwnhsw egw me sas. Egw prepei na epixeirw na symfwnhsete eseis me mas. Para tayta, blepete pws anagnwrizw oti eseis eiste aytoi oi opoioi qa apokwdikopoihsete ta osa syzhtoyme kai qa ta metaferete stoys polites, mesw twn Meswn poy ergazeste, me to diko sas tropo. Einai to anafaireto dikaiwma sas.

BITSENTZOY: Ola ayta poy eipate oti einai ypoxrewmenh na kanei h politeia gia na diasfalisei thn akwlyth kykloforia twn forewn k. lp., ola ayta ta eixate diasfalisei me dedomeno oti h poreia, thn wra poy qa briskotan o Amerikanos Proedros sthn presbeia h to Megaro Moysikhs, qa efqane mexri ap ejw; Eixate ejasfalisei oti qa epikoinwnoyse o Amerikanos Proedros me to "Xilton" h me alla shmeia ths Aqhnas, analoga me to programma toy; Htan diasfalismeno; Giati ap oti jerw h poreia qa efqane kai ejw apo ton topo diamonhs toy.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala -einai pagia, allwste, praktikh- pws to programma s aytes tis periptwseis symfwneitai apo tis dyo pleyres kai etsi akribws ginetai apodekto kai efarmozetai. Den katartizetai monomerws to programma ths episkechs enos hgeth. Ayto symbainei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qa epitrapoyn poreies kata th diarkeia ths paramonhs toy k. Klinton, mexri to Interkontinental;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta opoia ypotiqetai oti gnwrizete sas parakalw na ta krathsete, ayth thn wra, gia ton eayto sas. Bebaiws, exoyn ajia gia to reportaz, alla to poy qa meinei o k. Klinton kai ola ta alla, qa ginoyn gnwsta otan sas anakoinwqei to teliko programma. Opws sas elega kai tis prohgoymenes ebdomades -kai epanalambanw kai twra- mh biazeste na ekdhlwsete bebaiothta oti gnwrizete to programma ths episkechs toy Amerikanoy Proedroy.

MIXAHL: Mporeite na moy peite, prin apo poso kairo arxise h prokatartikh syzhthsh gia thn organwsh ths episkechs Klinton, anejarthta an egine anabolh h oxi;

REPPAS: H episkech ayth, sth bash ths amoibaiothtas, ginetai se antapodosh episkechs toy Proedroy ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis HPA to 1996. Apo tote, loipon, poy episkefqhkan oi Ellhnes hgetes tis HPA, proskalesan ton Amerikano hgeth na erqei sthn Ellada. To qema paremene anoikto, kai eipa -apantwntas se sxetikes erwthseis- oti, edw kai arketo kairo, kriqhke pws h Synodos Koryfhs toy OASE sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, prosferei mia eykairia gia thn episkech toy Proedroy Klinton se xwres ths perioxhs. Giati, opws gnwrizete, o k. Klinton den qa episkefqei mono thn Ellada, qa episkefqei kai alles xwres ths perioxhs. Ayto, loipon htan kati poy antimetwpisthke ws epilogh -milw gia tis hmeromhnies ths episkechs- edw kai arketoys mhnes, otan akribws aposafhnisthke oti stis sygkekrimenes hmeromhnies qa ginei h Synodos toy OASE sthn Kwnstantinoypolh.

MIXAHL: Epitrecte moy na epimeinw. As poyme dyo-treis-pente-eji mhnes krathse ayth h proetoimasia. Ti sas kanei na pisteyete, afoy se toso diasthma den katorqwsate na exete enan kalo programmatismo kai na ton ajiopoihsete paragwgika, opws lete sth xqesinh dhlwsh sas, pws qa mporesete oti den kanate s ayto to diasthma, na to kanete mesa sto epomeno 9hmero;

REPPAS: Sas diafeygei omws, kata thn erwthsh sas, ayto poy eipa prin. Oti hmastan etoimoi gia thn pragmatopoihsh ths episkechs sthn arxikh hmeromhnia poy eixe oristei. To ypogrammisa ayto. Den eipe kaneis oti den hmastan etoimoi sto telos ayths ths ebdomadas gia thn episkech ayth. Mhn to pairnete ayto, loipon, ws dedomeno, gia na peite oti, afoy den hsastan etoimoi tote, pws qa eiste etoimoi meta apo mia ebdomada. Kai twra eimaste etoimoi kai bebaiws, kai thn epomenh ebdomada qa eimaste etoimoi.

MIXAHL: To apodexomai ayto. Kai erwtw: Afoy eiste etoimoi, ana pasa stigmh, ayto shmainei oti kapoios den htan.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete -epeidh ayto to qema to syzhthsame para poly- oti meta apo diaboyleyseis twn dyo kybernhsewn, proekyce nea hmeromhnia. Giati oi dyo kybernhseis ekrinan oti mporei se ena poly kalytero klima -kai to klima einai ena periballon poy paizei rolo kai sthn oysia twn syzhthsewn- na pragmatopoihqei ayth h episkech. To eipame ayto. Htan toso safhs h xqesinh dhlwsh moy, poy den xreiazetai parapera sxoliasmo, apo th dikh mas pleyra. Gi ayto oysiastika me kaleite na sxoliasw mia dhlwsh poy ekana.

SETZOBA: Mporeite na mas peite poy qa paei o k. Klinton, meta thn Aqhna;

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw poio einai to programma ths paroysias toy k. Klinton sthn perioxh kai den afora thn kybernhsh mas. Ayto einai qema ths Kybernhshs twn HPA kai twn xwrwn me tis opoies syzhtoyn kai prokeitai o k. Klinton na episkefqei. Moy dinete, omws, thn eykairia na pw oti ginetai sygkrish -kakws kata thn apoch mas- oson afora th diarkeia ths paramonhs toy Amerikanoy Proedroy sthn Toyrkia, se sxesh me to xrono paramonhs toy sthn Ellada. Gnwrizete oti sthn Toyrkia qa breqei gia na parei meros sth Synodo toy OASE. Peran ths paramonhs toy sthn Kwnstantinoypolh gia tis anagkes ths Synodoy, qa episkefqei kai thn Agkyra. Kai h episkech ayth qa exei diarkeia analogh, opws synhqizetai se aytes tis periptwseis. Giati eida na diatypwnetai kai aytoy toy eidoys h kritikh kai na ejagontai ta analoga politika symperasmata: "Sthn Toyrkia qa meinei pente hmeres, enw sthn Ellada qa meinei dyo hmeres". Gnwrizete oti ayth h sygkrish den ginetai se orqh bash.

SOYRMELH: Prwton, qa hqela na xarakthrisete ayth th stigmh -meta thn anabolh- tis ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis. Kai deyteron, qelw na rwthsw prosqetontas ki egw to petradaki moy se ayto to erwthmatologio: Pws ypoxrewqhkate na allajete hmeromhnia, afoy hsastan proetoimasmenoi gia tis 22 Noembrioy. Opws eipate den ginetai monomerws, ginetai dimerws. Ws arxikh hmeromhnia episkechs toy Proedroy Klinton, eixate pei thn 22 Noembrioy. H amerikanikh pleyra htan ayth poy sas ypoxrewse na allajete thn hmeromhnia ths episkechs ayths gia tis 13 Noembrioy. Ti synebh, ti mesolabhse;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ola ayta ta qemata. Oyte h prwth hmeromhnia htan apotelesma epibolhs ths boylhshs ths mias pleyras sthn allh, oyte h deyterh hmeromhnia. Se aytes tis periptwseis diatypwnontai protaseis kai telikws prokyptoyn h oxi symfwnies. Alla, pantws, gia thn episkech toy Proedroy Klinton sthn Ellada, oi hmeromhnies htan ej arxhs syndedemenes me thn paroysia kai symmetoxh toy sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, sth Synodo toy OASE. Ayto einai safes.

SOYRMELH: Pws xarakthrizete tis ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis;

REPPAS: Oi sxeseis twn HPA me th xwra mas einai se kalo epipedo. Ayto to eipame kai pisteyoyme oti h episkech toy k. Klinton sthn Ellada qa odhghsei sthn peraiterw anabaqmish twn sxesewn twn dyo xwrwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan egine h prwth allagh ths hmeromhnias, poy apo 22 phge 13 Noembrioy, tote kanate mia dhlwsh kai eipate oti kalytera poy erxetai prin gia na einai kalytera enhmeros gia tis ellhnikes qeseis, otan paei sthn Agkyra. Twra, o k. Klinton qa paei sthn Agkyra xwris na einai enhmerwmenos;

REPPAS: Egine ayth h syzhthsh mesw twn ekproswpwn twn dyo kybernhsewn kai gnwrizete oti einai gnwsth kai safhs h politikh poy akoloyqei h xwra mas. Oi qeseis mas exoyn diatypwqei se kaqe eykairia kai me kaqe tropo. O Prwqypoyrgos eixe th dynatothta na tis anaptyjei stoys hgetes jenwn xwrwn me toys opoioys synanthqhke, sto periqwrio ths Synodoy ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys, sto Parisi. H politikh mas den allazei. Giati h ejwterikh politikh ths xwras anaptyssetai se ena dynamiko systhma. Den askeitai mono sto plaisio toy dipoloy Ellada-HPA. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti epikeitai h Synodos Koryfhs sto Elsinki, to Dekembrio. Mhn parablepete, loipon, th shmasia ayths ths drasthriothtas poy anaptyssei o Prwqypoyrgos h synolika h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Ara, loipon, me dedomeno oti einai safhs h ejwterikh politikh poy askoyme kai exei diatypwqei me kaqe leptomereia h qesh mas gia kaqe zhthma poy mas apasxolei, den yparxei logos anhsyxias gia to oti kapoioi den gnwrizoyn tis politikes mas qeseis. Tis gnwrizoyn kai tis gnwrizoyn poly kala. Poly perissotero poy aytes oi qeseis einai orqes kai mporei, an efarmostoyn, na dwsoyn lyseis se problhmata ths perioxhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai giati mas ta legete tote ayta; Oti kalytera poy erxetai...

REPPAS: Prwta ap ola, pisteyoyme sthn ajia ths epikoinwnias kai twn syzhthsewn se kaqe eykairia. Hmastan etoimoi na exoyme ayth th synanthsh tis epomenes, mia-dyo, hmeres, qa exoyme th synanthsh meta apo oktw hmeres. Pisteyoyme oti to shmantiko einai na ginei h syzhthsh, na ginoyn oi synanthseis kai qa ginoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn eyqynh ths episkechs toy k. Klinton, oles tis diaboyleyseis, tis eixe to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn h to Megaro Majimoy;

REPPAS: H kybernhsh leitoyrgei eniaia. Kaqe melos ths kybernhshs exei sygkekrimenes armodiothtes. Kai bebaiws, gia tetoia qemata o Prwqypoyrgos exei to diko toy rolo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gi ayto ta kanate "mpaxalo";

REPPAS: H episkech -epeidh kanate ena sxolio kai qa ypokriqw oti den to akoysa- einai shmantikh. Bebaiws diejagetai se synqhkes -kai prepei na to pw ayto- poy den einai oi idies me tis synqhkes diejagwghs ths episkechs toy k. Mpoys sthn Ellada, to 1991, para to oti -an kentrisw ligo th mnhmh sas, qa to qymhqeite ki eseis- eixame ekdhlwsh fainomenwn tromokratikhs bias, kapoies hmeres prin ekeinh thn episkech, se poly megalytero baqmo. Prepei na to pw ayto kai an anatrejete stis efhmerides ekeinhs ths epoxhs, mporeite na to deite. Apo thn allh omws, prepei na pw oti ta politika kommata ths elassonos antipoliteyshs, meta to mhna toy melitos toy 1989, eixan mia allh stash kai eixan akoysei meta megalhs prosoxhs ton k. Mpoys na mila sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Ta kommata ths elassonos antipoliteyshs shmera qewroyn blaptikh kai mono ayth thn idia thn episkech toy Proedroy Klinton sthn Ellada. Ayth einai h istorikh alhqeia.

KARAGIANNH: Epeidh mas apanthsate oti prwtistws h kybernhsh qewrei meizonos shmasias qema th qetikh ejelijh ths episkechs toy k. Klinton sthn Aqhna, to erwthma moy einai ean prosanatolizetai sthn prospaqeia na diamorfwqei ena klima epoikodomhtiko, katallhlo periballon k. lp. opws eipate, poy protiqeste na ta diasfalisete sto endexomeno ypodeijhs sygkekrimenoy xwroy, pros toys foreis, pros ta kommata poy epiqymoyn na diadhlwsoyn, na diamartyrhqoyn;

REPPAS: Kaqe komma exei thn eyqynh gi ayta ta opoia proballei ws qesh kai gi ayta ta opoia kanei ws politikh prajh. Emeis milhsame gia to diko mas kaqhkon kai gia to endiaferon mas na dhmioyrghsoyme ena asfales plaisio, wste na ejelixqei omala h episkech. Milhsame akomh -ki an qymaste ekana sxetiko sxolio- gia thn eyqynh poy exei kaqe poliths sto megisto baqmo na epideijei endiaferon kai na symbalei, wste na oloklhrwqei me omalo tropo ayth h episkech.

SOYRMELH: Epeidh meta to Parisi den eixame thn eykairia na akoysoyme tis dikes sas ektimhseis gia tis ergasies ths Synodoy ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys. Ti ektimhseis kanete; Ti petyxe h den petyxe o k. Shmiths stis synomilies toy me toys alloys hgetes ths Dieqnoys ayths, allaje kati sthn katastash. Zhtaei akoma h Ellada...;

REPPAS: Gia tis qeseis mas exoyme milhsei kai gnwrizete poies einai. Eixame mia eykairia na kanoyme koinwnoys twn qesewn mas toys alloys hgetes. Tis anaptyjame me kaqe leptomereia. Pisteyoyme oti htan oi syzhthseis aytes apotelesmatikes, yper twn symferontwn mas. Ayto menei na ekdhlwqei sthn prajh, kata thn epikeimenh Synodo Koryfhs sto Elsinki.

Sas eyxaristw.

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