Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-10-12

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 12 Oktwbrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KARAKWSTAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, poia einai h kinhsh kalhs qelhsews poy eklambanei h Ellada ws apaitoymeno gia thn peraiterw ejelijh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn kai thn, endexomenws, qetikh eishghsh ths gia thn peraiterw sysfigjh twn toyrkokoinotikwn sxesewn;

REPPAS: Me aformh thn erwthsh sas, qa dwsw mia genikoterh apanthsh: O Ellhnas presbhs sthn Agkyra k. Koranths egine dektos apo ton Toyrko prwqypoyrgo. H episkech htan eqimotypikh. Sto plaisio ths episkechs ayths o Ellhnas presbhs metefere ston Toyrko Prwqypoyrgo proforiko mhnyma toy k. Shmith.

Sto mhnyma ayto, o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos anaferetai me safhneia sto kalytero klima poy diepei tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis thn teleytaia periodo. Epanalambanei th qesh ths xwras mas, oti blepoyme me qetiko mati ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo ths Toyrkias kai thn proseggish ths sthn E. E.. Kai, bebaiws, epanalambanei thn epiqymia mas, oi prospaqeies poy exoyn ginei thn teleytaia periodo na mhn apotelesoyn parenqesh, alla na odhghsoyn se sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Anaferetai stis kinhseis poy exei kanei h Ellada kai epishmainei pws apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias anamenetai mia emprakth apodeijh ths dikhs ths epiqymias kai boylhshs gia beltiwsh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn.

Oson afora, tis sxeseis ths Toyrkias me thn E. E., exoyme tonisei kat` epanalhch oti h beltiwsh twn sxesewn aytwn ypakoyei stoys kanones, tis arxes kai tis proypoqeseis poy tiqentai se aytes tis periptwseis gia oles tis xwres. Gia kaqe xwra -kai en prokeimenw gia th dikh mas- yparxoyn ta qemata idiaiteroy endiaferontos, ta opoia syxna exoyn kaqoristiko baros kai sta opoia qa prepei na kriqei h xwra ekeinh h opoia epiqymei thn proseggish ths me thn E. E.. Gia thn periptwsh th dikh mas, loipon, tetoia qemata einai to Kypriako kai h entajiakh poreia ths Kyproy sthn E. E. kai, bebaiws, oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Stoys tomeis aytoys, opws kat` epanalhch exoyme pei, pisteyoyme oti h Toyrkia qa prepei na epideijei mia stash, h opoia qa kanei thn Eyrwph -kai pio sygkekrimena, idiaitera thn Ellada- na peistei oti pragmati h Toyrkia epiqymei na ejasfalisei mia oysiastikh kai oxi mia eikonikh ypochfiothta, sto plaisio ths politikhs proseggishs ths me thn E. E.. Sto shmeio ayto eimaste twra.

PODHMATA: Epeidh kanate ena diaxwrismo anamesa sto periexomeno toy mhnymatos Shmith, kai idiaitera sthn teleytaia epishmansh toy oti gia na metallaxtei to beltiwmeno klima sxeshs twn dyo xwrwn qa prepei h Toyrkia na probei, pleon, se oysiastikes kinhseis gia na beltiwqoyn oi dimereis eyrwtoyrikes sxeseis, h entypwsh moy einai oti to diaxwrisate ayto, apo to qema twn eyrwtoyrkikwn sxesewn. To erwthma moy einai oti ayth h epishmansh toy Prwqypoyrgoy -oti perimenoyme apo thn Toyrkia mia emprakth antapodosh toso stis dimereis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, oso kai sto Kypriako- apotelei proypoqesh gia na dwsei h ellhnikh pleyra th synainesh ths sto Elsinki.

REPPAS: Den ekana ayto to diaxwrismo. Aplws anefera, oso ginetai pio synoptika, tria shmeia apo to periexomeno aytoy toy proforikoy mhnymatos.

To qema twn sxesewn ths Toyrkias me thn E. E. to exoyme syzhthsei kat` epanalhch. Opws, kat` epanalhch, exoyme diatypwsei me safhneia th qesh mas. H qesh ayth paramenei ws exei, den allazei se tipota.

Me thn eykairia ths episkechs toy Ellhna presbh sto prwqypoyrgiko megaro, sthn Agkyra, toy doqhke h dynatothta na metaferei ayto to mhnyma, opoy epanalambane tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Kai, bebaiws, h poreia ths Toyrkias pros thn E. E. diapernatai, epanalambanw, apo to pws h Toyrkia qa antidrasei se sygkekrimenoys tomeis, oi opoioi exoyn anaferqei kat` epanalhch. Einai oi tomeis ekeinoi poy synistoyn kai ta krithria, symfwna me th Synodo Koryfhs ths Kopegxaghs, einai kai oi tomeis poy gia mas exoyn idiaitero endiaferon. Toys anefera: aforoyn thn Kypro kai to Kypriako, aforoyn to Aigaio kai tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Ayta ola, bebaiws, gia thn poreia proseggishs ths Toyrkias sthn E. E..

PODHMATA: Qelw na epanalabw to erwthma moy, giati qewrw oti den to exete katalabei.

REPPAS: Apolytws katalaba kai apanthsa se ayto to erwthma.

PODHMATA: Epeidh, to exete katalabei ayth h emprakth antapokrish toso sta ellhnotoyrkika, oso kai sto...

REPPAS: Ma, den apanthsa se ayto; Sxetizetai apolytws me thn poreia ths Toyrkias pros thn E. E.. Einai h trith fora poy to lew.

PODHMATA: Prin to Elsinki h meta to Elsinki;

REPPAS: Kyria Podhmata einai h trith fora poy to lew. Kai eipa oti h ellhnikh politikh sta sygkekrimena qemata einai ayth kai den allazei se tipota. Den htan safes ayto poy eipa; Apo thn apanthsh poy edwsa ston k. Karakwsta htan safes ayto poy eipa.

PODHMATA: Apo thn apanthsh poy dwsate ston k. Karakwsta, anaferqhkate sta genika krithria poy prepei na plhroyn oi ypochfies gia entajh sthn E. E. xwres, opws ejeidikeyontai sthn kaqe periptwsh. Ayto den syndeetai aytomatws...

REPPAS: Sth dikh mas periptwsh, exoyme, afenos, thn Ellada kai afeteroy thn Toyrkia. Thn Ellada poy qetei ayta ta qemata kai thn Toyrkia h opoia epiqymei ayth thn proseggish. Ara, loipon, oi dyo xwres exoyn orioqethsei to politiko plaisio entos toy opoioy qa anaptyjoyn tis kinhseis toys to epomeno diasthma.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Giati anafereste se "poreia" h se "proseggish"; Edw twra ayto poy syzhteitai einai an qa einai ypochfia h oxi. Ep` aytoy einai aytoi oi oroi ths Elladas; Otan lete "poreia" h "proseggish" einai poly genikoy xarakthra, ftanei mexei thn entajh.

REPPAS: To qema ths ypochfiothtas ths Toyrkias, toy xarakthrismoy ths, dhladh, ws ypochfias pros entajh xwras sthn E. E., qa apofasistei sthn epikeimenh Synodo Koryfhs. Qa anamenete oloi tis syzhthseis poy qa ginoyn, sto plaisio toy Symboylioy aytoy, prokeimenoy na gnwrizete thn apofash poy qa lhfqei. Sas eipa poies einai oi qeseis me tis opoies proserxontai oi diafores xwres se ayth th Synodo. Oloi exoyn ekdhlwsei to endiaferon kai thn epiqymia toys, h proseggish ayth na labei sygkekrimenh morfh kai xarakthra. Eipa prin -den to qymaste h sas diefyge- oti epiqymoyme h Toyrkia na kerdisei mia oysiastikh kai oxi mia eikonikh ypochfiothta. Alla ayto, bebaiws, syndeetai apolytws me orismenes epiloges tis opoies prepei na kanei h Toyrkia gia na kerdisei ayth thn oysiastikh ypochfiothta. Den htan poly safh ayta poy eipa k. Mpermperakh; Ara, den milhsa gia proseggish genikws kai aoristws, opws eipate. H proseggish einai mia lejh h opoia kalyptei genikws thn tash synergasias, alla milhsa sygkekrimena gia mia oysiastikh ypochfiothta, h opoia prepei na kerdhqei apo thn Toyrkia, me bash sygkekrimena krithria kai arxes.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Ektos aytwn poy h Ellada syzhtei me toys etairoys ths, qelei kapoia kinhsh kalhs qelhshs prin to Elsinki apo thn Toyrkia gia na arei ths epifylajeis ths, oson afora an qa einai ypochfia xwra. H enarjh twn diapragmateysewn gia to Kypriako einai mia kinhsh kalhs qelhshs;

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, den exoyn arxisei oi syzhthseis gia to Kypriako kai den gnwrizoyme pote qa arxisoyn. Elpizoyme na arxisoyn syntomotata, na einai syzhthseis oysias kai oi pleyres poy qa laboyn meros se ayth th syzhthsh, na epideijoyn pneyma pragmatikhs diaqeshs gia thn epilysh toy problhmatos. Bebaiws, o dialogos aytos den mporei na ginei me proapaitoymena. Prepei na einai enas dialogos anoixtos, me ena kai monadiko stoxo: na ejeyreqei, epiteloys, lysh sto kypriako problhma. Ayto, loipon, menei na apodeixqei. Apo ekei kai pera, epanalambanw, h metafora enos proforikoy mhnymatos, me aformh mia eqimotypikh episkech, den qa prepei na sas odhghsei s` ena politiko symperasma, to opoio steneyei ton orizonta toy nohmatos aytoy toy mhnymatos. An den yphrxe ayth h episkech, den qa yphrxe kai to mhnyma. Den espeyse o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos na steilei kapoio mhnyma ston k. Etzebit, epeidh qewrhse oti h stigmh einai tetoia poy toy epiballei na kanei mia sygkekrimenh kinhsh. O Prwqypoyrgos ajiopoihse mia eykairia. Thn apodoxh toy aithmatos toy Ellhna presbh sthn Agkyra, na ginei dektos apo ton Toyrko prwqypoyrgo. Me ayth thn eykairia, loipon, o Toyrkos prwqypoyrgos egine gnwsths enos mhnymatos toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy, poy toy metefere o Ellhnas presbhs. Ayto to lew ws parathrhsh, h opoia exei diadikastikh, alla kai politikh shmasia. Gia na yparxei apokatastash toy pws kai giati metaferqhke ayto to mhnyma. Gia na mh syndeetai me alles ejelijeis kai na mh dinetai h entypwsh oti yparxoyn kapoies prwtoboylies, oi opoies exoyn thn afethria toys se otidhpote allo ejw apo ayth kaqayth th synanthsh toy Ellhna presbh me ton Toyrko prwqypoyrgo.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Erxontai sto fws ths dhmosiothtas kapoies plhrofories, oti megales xwres ths E. E. exoyn hdh katalhjei, se genikes grammes, oson afora th dieyrynsh ths E. E. kai mesa ekei diafainetai h amesh syndesh poy qewroyn oti yparxei metajy ths kypriakhs diadikasias entajhs kai ths toyrkikhs. Ep` aytoy exete na kanete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Ws xwra kai ws kybernhsh eimaste ypermaxoi ths diadikasias dieyrynshs ths E. E. Eimaste apo tis xwres kai tis kybernhseis poy prwtostatoyn, me tis qeseis poy lambanoyn sto plaisio twn koinotikwn organwn sthn prowqhsh ths dieyrynshs ths E. E. Ayto ta leei ola. Den exoyme kamia antirrhsh h E. E. na entatikopoihsei thn politikh dieyrynshs ths me tis ypochfies xwres toy prwtoy kai toy deyteroy kymatos, opws kaloyntai, alla kai me alles xwres. Oles, omws, oi diadikasies poy akoloyqhqhkan, mexri twra, sto sygkekrimeno h se synafeis tomeis, sto plaisio ths E. E., eixan ws bash orismenoys kanones. Oi kanones aytoi poy isxysan sto parelqon, isxyoyn kai twra kai, bebaiws, qa synexisoyn na isxyoyn kai sto mellon.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ayto to proforiko mhnyma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, edwse thn eykairia, gia allh mia fora, na doyme tis proqeseis ths Toyrkias. Apo osa diabazw ston Typo, o k. Etzebit se polla apo ta qemata, aithmata ths Elladas, einai sthn oysia aporriptikos, idiaitera, sto qema ths Kyproy. Den anaferqhkate malista kai sto qema twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn...

REPPAS: Anaferqhka sta krithria ths Kopegxaghs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: En pash periptwsei, gia to Kypriako einai aporriptikos, safhs. Dierwtwmai, loipon, ti qa kanete sto Elsinki, otan hdh yparxei eikona toy ti qelei h Toyrkia.

REPPAS: Sto Elsinki, qa kanoyme ayto poy einai swsto. Kai prepei na sas pw oti o Prwqypoyrgos sto proforiko mhnyma toy anaferetai se emprakth antapodosh kai oxi se ekfrash proqesewn. Ayto, epeidh xrhsimopoihsate th lejh "proqeseis".

GYRMPAKHS: H kybernhsh exei ypoch ths gia thn yparjh kapoiwn "non papper", metajy Mpler-Zospen, sta opoia anaferetai oti h Toyrkia qa prepei na einai to 2011 melos ths E. E.;

REPPAS: Epeidh kykloforoyn para polla, ta opoia exoyn sxesh me ektimhseis, me protaseis, me idees, qa elega na ta laboyme ypoch mas, alla sthn pragmatikh diastash toys. Ayto to opoio qa prepei na sygkentrwsei thn prosoxh kai to endiaferon mas einai oti gia kamia xwra den exei oristei xronodiagramma ejelijhs twn diapragmateysewn. Kai anaferomai stis xwres me tis opoies brisketai, hdh, se diapragmateyseis h E. E., gia thn entajh toys. Ara, loipon, einai poly prowro kai -pantws- qa elega, oti apotelei ena senario poy apaitei isxyrh fantasia o prosdiorismos sygkekrimenhs hmeromhnias gia mia xwra, h opoia, ayth thn wra, den einai kan ypochfia pros entajh, thn wra poy sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma den exei apofasistei gia xwres, me tis opoies h E. E., edw kai kairo, exei arxisei tis entajiakes diapragmateyseis.

KARGOYDH: O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, esteile ena atypo proforiko mhnyma ston k. Etzebit. Mas gnwstopoihsate, peripoy, to periexomeno toy. To erwthma einai: Ti mhnyma phre h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai an einai ikanopoihmenh.

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh, giati yparxei beltiwsh toy klimatos, gia thn opoia exoyme kat` epanalhch milhsei. Ayto einai kerdos kai gia tis dyo xwres. Apla, qa prepei na prospaqhsoyme, wste ayto to kalytero klima na mhn apotelesei mia parenqesh, alla na apokthsei baqos, diarkeia, prokeimenoy oi dyo xwres, oi dyo laoi, ta epomena xronia, na zhsoyn me kalyteres metajy toys sxeseis se kalyteres synqhkes. Nomizw oti o k. Etzebit epanelabe tis qeseis ths kybernhshs toy, ekfrazontas th dikh toy epiqymia, to klima twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn, poy einai hdh kalytero se sxesh me to prosfato parelqon, na beltiwqei akoma perissotero, dhlwnontas pws kai o idios epiqymei na ergastei se ayth thn kateyqynsh. Se epipedo, loipon, arxhs, symfwnoyme apolytws.

AFENTOYLH: Se sxesh me ta osa exete pei, mexri stigmhs, dhlwnete oti eiste yper ths dieyrynshs. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean sth fash ths diapragmateyshs, mexri to Dekembrh, h Toyrkia kanei kapoia kinhsh gia na kalycei tis proypoqeseis poy qetei h E. E., alla den kalycei ayto poy zhtaei h Ellada ti qa ginei; Dioti to Kypriako den einai stis proypoqeseis poy qetei h Kopegxagh.

REPPAS: Me kaleite na metatopistw apo to pedio ths enhmerwshs sto pedio ths mellontologias. Kai prepei na sas pw oti ayto to qema den qa to syzhthsoyme mesw ypoqesewn. Ayto to opoio mporw na epanalabw, einai oti h poreia ayth syndeetai me orismenes arxes kai kanones kai nomizw oti mporoyme, kaqe fora, na metroyme th stash opoiasdhpote xwras -kai ths Toyrkias, en prokeimenw- me bash aytoys toys deiktes, ayta ta krithria. Tote, poly eykola, mporei na bgei opoiodhpote symperasma gia thn proodo poy exei, an exei, syntelestei. Ayto, omws, einai kati to opoio, ayth thn wra, den exei kan jekinhsei. Ara, einai ejw apo ta dedomena. Einai kati to opoio kapoioi epiqymoyn.

KOYROYNIS: Sxetika me thn ekklhsh ths Ebraikhs Koinothtas ths Qessalonikhs gia tis qyrides twn qhsayrwn twn Ebraiwn, yparxei kati;

REPPAS: Kanena sxolio. Oti isxyei gia oloys toys polites, isxyei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

PODHMATA: Ean h Toyrkia apodexqei epi ths arxhs, prin apo th Synodo Koryfhs toy Dekembrioy, thn idea ths ekponhshs enos xarth diadromhs gia thn entajiakh ths poreia, ston opoio qa perilambanontai sygkekrimenes ypoxrewseis apo thn pleyra ths kai sta ellhnotoyrkika kai sto Kypriako, ayto qa qewrhqei apo thn ellhnikh pleyra ws emprakth xeironomia kalhs qelhshs, emprakth antapodosh, wste na synainesei sthn ypochfiothta toy Elsinki;

REPPAS: H protash mas ayth den exei apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs me thn Toyrkia. Einai poly prowro. Den gnwrizoyme poia einai h antidrash ths Toyrkias, wste na dwsoyme emeis, ayth thn wra, kathgorhmatikh apanthsh. Allwste, gnwrizete poly kala oti se aytes tis periptwseis den einai sobaro, wfelimo kai xrhsimo, na syzhtoyme ayta ta qemata, anoigontas ola ta xartia mas, akairws. Ara, loipon -epeidh gnwrizete poia einai h politikh poy exoyme diatypwsei- an sas diabebaiwsw oti paramenoyme se ayth thn politikh kai eseis qa eiste apolytws plhroforhmenoi kai emeis qa exoyme th dynatothta na kanoyme tis kinhseis, oi opoies einai eqnwfeleis, gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Ektos apo thn epishmh qesh gia thn epispeysh ths episkechs Klinton sthn Ellada, oti dhladh sympiptei me thn hmera twn Eyxaristiwn, epeidh yparxoyn polla senaria, mhpws exete na mas peite kati allo;

REPPAS: H epispeysh ths episkechs ayths einai apotelesma ths epiqymias poy ejefrase h amerikanikh pleyra, doqentos oti ayth h epispeysh dieykolynei th symmetoxh ths k. Klinton sto tajidi. Den ferame kamia antirrhsh gia thn allagh twn hmeromhniwn. Pisteyoyme oti h episkech ayth einai to idio shmantikh kai mporei na apodeixqei to idio xrhsimh stis nees aytes hmeres poy qa ginei, dhladh apo tis 13 ews tis 15 Noembrioy. Aytos einai o pragmatikos logos ths xronikhs metaqeshs ths episkechs.

EYSTAQIOY: Se oti afora th synanthsh gia trimerh h pentamerh, exei allajei kati;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei opoiodhpote tetoio qema.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mhpws ejetazei h kybernhsh to endexomeno, logw ths episkechs Klinton, na metaferqoyn argotera oi ekdhlwseis gia to Polytexneio;

REPPAS: Einai kati poy den to syzhtoyme.

BITALHS: Qelw na rwthsw ean exoyn prosdioristei epakribws oi symfwnies poy qa ypografoyn me thn afijh toy k. Klinton sthn Ellada.

REPPAS: H syzhthsh poy ginetai metajy twn ekproswpwn twn dyo kybernhsewn synexizetai. Den yparxei sygkekrimenh atzenta symfwniwn, oi opoies qa ypografoyn. Yparxei mia poly shmantikh proergasia poy exei ginei. Ola ta alla qa ta plhroforhqeite oso ejelissetai kai efoson oloklhrwqei h episkech.

BITALHS: Den ejetazete, dhladh, to endexomeno ths perifhmhs synergasias...;

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa. Einai polla qemata, ta opoia apasxoloyn tis armodies yphresies twn dyo xwrwn. Ta qemata ayta qa apotelesoyn antikeimeno syzhthshs twn dyo politikwn hgetwn. Oson afora thn ypografh symfwniwn, parakalw na anameinete gia na maqete pws qa ejelixqei h episkech. To qema twn pneymatikwn dikaiwmatwn, fer` eipein, gia na milhsw gia ena qema toy dikoy moy tomea, einai ena qema anoixto. Gnwrizete oti briskomaste se syzhthseis me thn amerikanikh kybernhsh sto plaisio toy Pagkosmioy Organismoy Emporioy. Ginontai diafores synennohseis. Yparxei mia proergasia.

BITALHS: Kata thn paramonh toy sthn Ellada, o k. Klinton qa ekfwnhsei kapoia omilia, sth Boylh h alloy;

REPPAS: Afoy den exei anakoinwqei, me leptomereies, to epishmo programma ths episkechs, tipota den einai oristiko. Otan anakoinwqei, tis epomenes hmeres, tote qa gnwrizete, wra pros wra, lepto pros lepto, pws qa kinhqei sthn Ellada o Amerikanos Proedros.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti den jerete poia qemata syzhtate me toys Amerikanoys;

REPPAS: Ayto katalabate;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia symfwnies, ti syzhtate, poia qemata;

REPPAS: Einai polla ta qemata ta opoia syzhtoyntai metajy twn ekproswpwn twn dyo kybernhsewn. Qemata poy exoyn oikonomiko kai emporiko endiaferon, qemata poy exoyn sxesh me synergasia stoys tomeis ths asfaleias, katapolemhshs ths tromokratias kai egklhmatikothtas, qemata politikoy kai stratiwtikoy endiaferontos. Den einai kati kainoyrgio ayto. Se tetoies periptwseis, panta tetoia qemata exoyn kyriarxh qesh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta syzhtate thn teleytaia hmera;

REPPAS: Eipa prin oti exei ginei mia proergasia. Sas diefyge ayth h frash. Oi armodies Yphresies twn dyo kratwn exoyn syzhthsei ayta ta qemata. Kai anefera ena paradeigma poy afora ton diko moy tomea.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ton diko sas tomea qa ypogracete;

REPPAS: Den exoyme katalhjei, doqentos oti yparxoyn akomh anoixta qemata. Kaqe kybernhsh, kaqe pleyra proseggizei to qema poy exei teqei katw apo to diko ths prisma.

Sas eyxaristw.

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